Is the gayness “nature or nurture”?

Because surely if it is DNA related we can test for it during pregnancy and terminate such pregnancies.

But if it is nurture, we can provide supplements or other things to make sure the gayness doesn’t occur.

Lastly, if it is nature or nurture, but a mental choice based on a brain misfiring, we can surely detect it through brain wave studying and see what triggers the misfiring.

Overall, will the gayness be like the measles? Vaccinated away?

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It will be mandatory.

It's a fetish. Nothing more.

The gay is a lifelong chemical imbalance of some kind that should be recognized and treated early before it becomes part of the individual's personality. If you wait too long they will refuse the cure because it will destroy their identity they spent their entire life crafting and adjusting to.
Think of it like this. If you're just barely beginning puberty and you aren't like all your friends, you'd eagerly accept a treatment that fixes you and makes you normal. But once you're 20-something and you've come to terms with yourself and you're trying to live a life that satisfies your unique urges, why would you want to erase over a decade of progress and start all over in unfamiliar territory? You wouldn't. You'd be offended and scared by anyone suggesting you're broken and need repair.
I'd put money on gayness being hormone related, but in some way that begins to affect the person even before puberty. I've known effeminate male children who grew up to be fags, and tomboy female children who grew up to be lesbians, while almost all kids who fit into normal gender roles stayed there (barring molestation trauma).

Gays can stay gay, they kill their genetic pool, and I have less competition. Idgaf. More gays. More bitches for me.

So a brain abnormality like foot fetishes or being attracted to teenagers instead of legally aged 18+ roasties?

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nature doesn't make sense as if there was a gay gene, how would it pass on to the next generation? it like all sexual interests is developed by sexual imprinting. you can't determine what event will cause your sexual interest, typically you'll have vanilla sexual interests but it all it takes is one event during adolescence and boom, you're a footfag.

Not easy to say, you can be predisposed genetically, but not become gay

With identical twins, 60% of the time if one of them is gay, they other will be, note that this is not 100%, this coupled with the association with sexual abuse as a child, heavily implies it is at least partially learned, with genetic, and hormonal factors ( particularly during fetal development) influencing the final outcome

>how would it pass on to the next generation?
Just like a kid who has a specific illness doesn't necessarily have two parents with that illness? Often the combination of two DNA strings ends up creating a specific sequence of DNA markers that lead to particular illnesses.

>With identical twins, 60% of the time if one of them is gay
I'd like to see the source of that.

This study ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8494487 is massively flawed in how the subjects were solicited and the sample was way too small.

A true genetic correlation study would required several hundreds identical twins which have been separated by birth and don't know each other. If you get 60% correlation on sexual homosexual orientation in such a study, then I am convinced it is genetic.

Gayness as other sexual degeneracy is a mental disorder. A good fuck is a good fuck it has its purpose in nature but any other shit like fetishes and kinks, pedophilia and other shit have its roots in childhood abuse or other forms of errors in developing stages.

it's the same as every other kink

some straight guy might want to drink piss out of a shoe, is it nature or nurture? who cares, just don't let him near your shoes

I think it's (also) nature. I've read that gay men had lower testosterone injections in the womb so parts of their brain aren't male but like a straight female.

Also read somewhere that relatives of gay men have more offspring.
Gay men could have had a purpose even in stoneage. Supporting the tribe and their sisters/brothers children without adding more mouuthes to feed to the tribe.

Goose chickens who are raised by "gay Goose dads" also have a higher survival rate than offspring from straight couples because two males are stronger and more aggressive. They can have offspring by stealing eggs from other couples.

It's probably a combination of the two.

im willing to bet that before the modern paradigm of indiscriminate acceptance, those people were set back in line and their abnormalities corrected so they could live normally. Brain abnormalities don't need to have chemical solutions, behavioral changes and perspective changes can have the same effect over time as prescription drugs, except more sustainable.

>46% of homosexuals report being molested by an adult of the same sex as children
Does sexual abuse count as nurture?

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Only retarded scum are against gayness
Here are some pros and con's of being gay
>Pro's of being a degenerate faggot
Faggot take other faggot men with them thus leaving other women for us
>since Faggot prefer unprotected sex so hence they die of Aids
>Faggot only prey other faggot men thus contributing to population control
Con's of being a faggot
>None

The only thing which I'm against is Lesbians

Based amerimutt BTFO OP with fact's and logic

You realize you sound like an sjw arguing for child transitioning, right?

It's annoying when someone says being a faggot is the result of being molested as a child. This is clearly complete bullshit because most faggots look different. In a similar way to how down syndrome people look the same as each other. In fact a lot of faggots have that downy look to them.

It's clearly genetic.

A male being attracted to teenage females is natural and normal male sexuality because that is when a female is most fertile. If you believe anything else you've been Jewed.

Anything we do ripples through our community. A gay degenerate makes other people degenerate through imitation. Read more

There is no such thing as a "gay gene".

It simply would have been eradicated through the evolutionary process.

There is however evidence that you can turn animals gay through certain stimulation.

>iflscience.com/brain/sexual-preference-rats-influenced-oxytocin-and-dopamine/

The increase in faggotry probably also comes as a result of the modern world and all the ameneties it brings. Hardships breeds strong and healthy people, comfort does not.

I think i found the paper my memory is not perfect but its pretty close
hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1993-homosexual-orientation-in-twins.html

Still isnt perfect but it shows a strong correlation between identical twins and a weaker correlation between non-identical twins, part of the problem with the testing for it genetically , is that elevated testosterone exposure in the womb is linked with it as well, and it very well could be something akin to having androgen receptors that are more sensitive + elevated horomone presence, not necessarily easily defined genetically.

supporting is bullshit and has been debunked.

There's probably different causes and different types-- molestation victims, abusive fathers, low T, etc, but your standard faggot is a somatic narcissist whose ego development was fucked up by a neurotic mother. Ego differentiation did not happen properly because the mother couldnt see through her own projections. Faggots are not attracted to men. They never fully psychologically split their own ego from their mothers which is why they are effeminate and grandiose, and their sexual aim is a body like their own body. They are 'body' narcissists. Thats how it was understood and diagnosed until the 1970s. Nothing changed except the politics.

a lot of it is just loneliness and gays are cheaper than prostitutes. the amount of male virgins has skyrocketed while the amount of female virgins has decreased significantly due to tinder and such apps. basically 20% of men have sex with 80% of women. its only natural that lonely guys would take anything they can get.

There is No such thing as "Natural things" Nature is chaotic, we build stuff Out of it like genders and definitions. Thus, it is all within our reach and control to define Whats acceptable and whats not, what is and what is not.
Within this framework i Accept the existence of sodomites and i regect their behavior as acceptable, shall i Bring them judgement and may god forgive them because I am not.

It is natural, but it most likely isn't DNA related. It has everything to do with testosterone levels of mother during pregnancy. Generally more older brothers one has, more likely one is to become either faggot or carpet muncher depending are we talking about boy or girl.

>There is no such thing as a "gay gene".
Existence on such thing is unlikely.
>It simply would have been eradicated through the evolutionary process.
No. Having extra uncle or aunt around to help your family is advantage, regardless technology level of society.

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there's some nurture in that weaklings will become gay for the community attention because they would have nothing otherwise. but mostly homosexuality is a response to molestation while young. so i guess that would still be 'nurture' in a perverse sense.

There are many parts in the brain that are responsible for a great deal of behaviors. Which are formed DURING the ENTIRETY of pregnancy. If at one time there are too many female hormones present, just as one time, it may flip female, while all the others remain male.

Which is still degenerate.

try passing the gay gene to your kid lol

Back in the 1980s there was a lot of studies that pointed towards a 'gay 'gene. Twin studies were popping up with a high number of homosexual twins. But what was actually happening is that the surveys were skewed towards attracting agenda-driven LGBT activist twins. They re-ran a lot of the studies in the early 2000s under different controls and found that the prevalence of homosexuality among twins was actually statistically negligible - ergo, the cause of homosexuality is not genetic, nor even biological (shared utero environment). "Born this way" is based on junk science.
We know there are three major risk factors for homosexuality.
1. Sexual victimisation of the child.
2. Son of a single mother.
3. Increasing probability of homosexuality with every older brother the child has.
2 and 3 come down to the same issue - lack of attention from a father figure.

So, homosexuality is not something that 'just' happens, it has clear causes in the vast majority of cases. Do right by your sons, and it's not something you'll ever need to worry about.

Teenagers are the best biologically
Mid-30 man and a 16-years old girl is the ideal
Get them young because they ride the cock carousel

*Before they ride the cock carousel

my bad

Gay men are thousands of times more promiscuous and less discerning than heterosexual men. The way they have intercourse is highly likely to spread STDs.
Gay men stand a good chance of destroying towns and villages through sexually transmitted infection, as "sometimes" gay men bring the infection home to their wives.
Sexually transmitted diseases don't do well in monogamous societies, that's the point of them.
...Imagine my face trying to tell an Indian to stop playing in poo.