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Chechen Muslims are Russian?

"peaceful"

today yes, we killed all cia turks and arabs in 1999.

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Yes. Regardless...not grounds for military invasion.

Unless 9/11 is grounds for a war on terror to spread democratization?

Right. So Chechens have no right to self-determination because?

wtf, russia got freedome of religion, just cause you worship allah doesnt mean you can make a country.
>no right to self-determination because?
because war and you die, thats russia baby

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Are you stupid? Chechens aren't Slavs.

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chechens are russian muslims.

There’s no such thing as the Ukraine. Just southwestern Russia.

Chechens aren't even Slavs. Try harder.

And no such thing as Georgia either hmm? Moron.

When did Putin invade ukraine?

i know because i know chechen he made DNA test and it came eastern europian, he was so butthurt, hehe.

idk maby souther chechnya is not slavic beccause of mongol invasion, many have small eyes.

russia is not slavic.

i never said slavs. russian

>Putin was wrong to invade Ukraine.

Really, Russia invaded Ukraine? Was that before or after Nuland helped overthrow the elected govt?

Kolomoiski and other russian oligarchs have 100x more money than Soros.

Muh Soros.

soros got no money, hes cia asset.

He knew Obama was a limp wristed tranny fucker. So why not take the land? Red lines drawn by pussies ar just scribbles

It was after Yankuyvich slaughtered 100 Ukrainians and was run off to Moscow.

March 1 2014.

russian never invadeds other countries, its not russian style, but russia provoke others to do stupid thin and handle the land to russia as "gift" for not paying gas money-

Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine and Ukraine just elected a Jew comedian, so they obviously want to commit national suicide.

Sounds like invasion.

No. Russia seized Crimea. There was not a Crimean revolt.

technicly not, but moraly also not.

Morally yes. See before Putin intervened, the Putin ally murdered 100 Ukrainians in February 2014. So yes, partially legally an invasion, but definitely morally as well.

There are plenty of russian troops in eastern Ukraine and Putin talked about making Novorissia himself. STFU Kremlin kike.

>blatantly fuck with Russia's sphere of influence when the last aggressive thing that they did was Georgia shenanigans years ago
>openly talk about planting yet another NATO country on their border
>depriving them of their most important naval facilities on top of it all
>and then expecting them to just take it
The West has screwed up everything in regards to Russia relations post-Cold War, but this really took the cake

Georgia did nothing wrong. South Ossetia is Georgian territory you bum. Russians are psychotic.

ask a latvian or estonian, how good it was to live in Soviet Russia.

The west was wrong to make a violent coup in Ukraine.

>Putin was wrong to invade Ukraine.
There was no invasion. Russia was allowed to have 25k soldiers in Crimea. All they did was move more forces and disarm Ukrainian bases in order not allow any provocations during the referendum. And if you think the referendum is a sham, Crimea's population are mostly ethnic Russians. Guess how they would vote?

As for Eastern Ukraine, how realistic do you think for Ukraine to be successfully fighting off Russia for years? ;) Not to mention, the lack of videos that we saw in Crimea or satellite photos that we saw in Syria, or the lack of use of aviations, Iskanders, ships, etc.

All Russia did was not allow the resistance to be crushed by facilitating volunteers, some of which were even in active duty. And there isn't a lack of volunteers, after what the monsters did in Odessa.

Putin is a money-hungry bitchass retard

You are ten shades of retarded. Ukraine was always part of the Russian Empire. Iraq had no such relation with the US.

Yankuyvich murdered 100 Ukrainians. So yes, blood was shed by the Russian side.

Odessa? Tragic, but a clear reaction to Russian separatist rebellion in Donetsk and Luhansk.

their are 16000 russian troops inside usa. covertly. now what ?

Yes, so tommorow let Germany invade Konisberg in Russia, okay? Let's have World War 3.

I dont care about who was right or wrong there. My point is that it was ages ago. It's not like Putin was on a rampage that gave the West reason to pull a coup in one of it's most important allies. Do you realize how important Crimea is for Russian Black Sea operations? Having a NATO country own it would be unacceptable, and everyone knew that

In a post cold war world there is no reason for NATO to want to expand to include Ukraine. That effectively created a challenge to Russia's interests, one which it can't ignore and has to respond to.
NATO in itself is obsolete and apparently only exists at this point to rile up Russia by periodically accepting ex-commie states.

its sad people die, but we need more land for our potatos. we like to eat them, does it justifiy it ?

Yes, Putin went on a rampage in Chechnya in 1991, Georgia in 2008 and then Ukraine in 2014.

By themselves, they're nothing. But adding them together it's a lot of blood.

he got like 200 billion cash, not talking about yachts, cars, villas and palasts. he does it only to impress his western partners. otherwise they wont talk to him, sadly ;(

Russia invaded Georgia without provocation.

Biden's son got control of billions of Ukrainian petrol-bucks. Same thing happened after VP Biden and son went to China: they got a sweet financial deal with the chi-coms.

>Yankuyvich murdered 100 Ukrainians. So yes, blood was shed by the Russian side.
You realize that both the police and "activists" got shot? It's probably even mentioned in your beloved wikipedia.

Then there's a leaked and verified tape between Ashton and Estonian politician, where he tells her the shots were fired by both sides.

Then there is this paper:
academia.edu/8776021/The_Snipers_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine

In other words, someone fired at both sides to escalate the stalled protests.

georgian troops killed ossetians.

>where he tells her the shots were fired by both sides
I mean that someone fired at both sides, not that they were both shooting at each other

Pretty sure this guy is trolling. Nobody can be that ignorant here and not knowing the fact that even EU put the blame on Georgia:

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - An independent report blamed Georgia on Wednesday for starting last year’s five-day war with Russia, but said Moscow’s military response went beyond reasonable limits and violated international law.

reuters.com/article/us-georgia-russia-report/georgia-started-war-with-russia-eu-backed-report-idUSTRE58T4MO20090930

Ossetia doesn't exist.

Well, Yankuyvich surrendered all authority when he fled to Moscow!

That's several layers of retarded mindfuckery. Chechnya was nothing like Georgia and Ukraine. Muslims are a cancer in every country they reside in, and Chechens are no different. Removing that, then, you're only left with Georgia and Ukraine. We are obviously talking about the justifications for Ukraine, aren't we? So including Ukraine as a reason for why the West needed to sphere Ukraine is nonsensical. You're then left with just one example, and that was years ago.Again, what happened to make the West think that Russia had to be deprived of its Black Sea facilities and that yet another NATO country should be added to its borders?

Each claim has its own justification. The US wanting to oust Saddam because he took iraqi oil off the petrodollar and wanted to keep its oil reserves under its world order is not the same as Russia wanting to keep one of its few warm water ports (practically a life line) from being taken away from them. It was rightfully theirs way before the communists, and it was the globalists who took it from them during the soviet collapse.

>regime change is ok if it's not the US doing it

This is literally every Russiaboo's excuse.

During the Georgian war the goal was specifically regime change. As in, verbatim, by the Russian government, they wanted a regime change there.

Crickets from the non-interventionist muhh sovereign country's rights Russiaboos. Always crickets.

so does texas xD viva le mexico!

That's great. It's okay for you to sponsor separatism in Georgia but not okay for Chechens to be free.

why should russia regimechange georgia ?

Chechens are Caucasians and deserve freedom.

Yes, if you remove Chechnya, then Georgia and Ukraine look less bad in comparison.

You cannot occupy other countries.

>Odessa? Tragic, but a clear reaction to Russian separatist rebellion in Donetsk and Luhansk.
You realize that those Russians in Odessa were killed simply because they created a camp near some building and were peacefully protesting?

Again, it was tragic. It all could have been avoided if Putin left Crimea after sanctions were imposed instead of sparking rebellion in Donetsk and Luhansk.

Jews were hijacking Ukraine

The US was wrong to try and drag Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. No Russian government would ever put up with that. The US certainly wouldn't put up with it if they were in Russia's shoes.

>Georgia is manned by a genocidal dictator that is barbecuing innocent Ossetian babies, we must remove him

Miserable cocksucker. Georgia can do whatever it wants.

Doesn't justify an invasion!

>regime change is ok if it's not the US doing it
>when the regime change in question is about the US and West at large pulling a regime change in Ukraine
The globalists aren't even subtle about it, and yet you still far for it. How much longer will you let a manufactured war between Russia and us distract from our true enemies
Chechnya was a war between government forces and separatists. Again, I don't care who you think was morally right. The point is that it was an internal affair. The West hasn't seen threatening moves from Russia since 2008, and it hasn't been threatened directly by it since the Cold War. There was no justification for going after Russia's ally like they did

Those countries weren't being dragged into anything. They voluntarily chose to cooperate with the US just because Russia is so untrustworthy.

And the US puts up with that and a lot more in the Western hemisphere, Russia has bases in Nicaragua and troops in Venezuela. But of course Russiaboos will say that's okay because muhh USA imperialist. But Russian imperialism isn't bad of course.

It's all a bullshit game of geopolitics, but at least Americans are critical of their government and will admit they're not some isolationist country dindu nuffin. Russians will never admit their government's blatant imperialism.

Since 2008? Again, Russia precisely invaded Ukraine

There is nothing right or wrong here.
There is only strength and interests.
And Crimean naval facilities are of the most importance for Russia and Ukraine becoming part of the EU and NATO structures went against security and even possibility of Russian military presence on Crimea.
So they acted.

Says the Czech.

So why did you fags cry for British help during World War 2?

Or it could be the fact that not all Ukrainians like Russia or trust it, and want to move in a different direction by themselves. They don't need the US to convince them to do that, either. Their history is enough persuasion.

They have Krasnodar. They didn't need naval bases.

>Chechnya was a war between government forces and separatists. Again, I don't care who you think was morally right. The point is that it was an internal affair

What's the Ukrainian war? Separatists in Donetsk making breakaway republics, literally the same thing in Chechnya. An internal affair. But you'll support one and not the other.

Yes. Russian chauvinists are disgusting.

Talking about Chechnya, when the Soviet/Russian leadership not only let Eastern Germany reunite and join NATO, but denounced the Warsaw Pact, fucked off from the base in Germany, Warsaw Pact countries and let numerous republics secede from USSR, together with 20 million ethnic Russians and territories that belonged to Russia for hundreds of years. In fact, USSR even had a constitution allowing republics to secede. Last time some states decided to secede from US it led to a civil war. Yet, Russians are the bad guys?

Imagine US disbanding NATO, then USSR not only keeping the Warsaw Pact, but filling it up with Western Europe and Canada. Then imagine US allowing the likes of Texas, California and many other states to secede together with dozens of millions of white Americans that didn't want independence. Then imagine that USSR leaves the missile defense shield and starts building the shield in Canada like the one being built in Poland and is active in Romania. Then imagine that all of these countries and USSR accuse the US aggression when US decides to move missiles closer to Canada targeting the said missile defense shield. This is what is happening now to Russia, actually just a fraction. You're on the wrong side of history, kid.

As for Chechnya, there was a war in Afghanistan that after USSR's withdrawal left thousands of fighters without a job. Some of them moved to fill the void in a few Muslim areas in Russia's south. I'm sure they were also sponsored by certain rich arab states. But in short, after the first war, Chechnya was independent for some years, but then they decided to invade the nearby Dagestan. Some Chechens were disappointed in their new government that also included foreigners, and they joined Russia. So there were at least 4 sides: Russia, foreigners (the likes in Syria), Chechens that wanted independence and Chechens that didn't want that government.

wat ?

The moment Chechnya becomes independent, the same thing will happen that happened before: someone will fill the void. At best, it will be NATO, at worst the void will be filled by rich arab states, it will turn into Sharia state and a lengthy bloodshed will begin (Afghanistan, Lybia are some examples). So for Chechen citizens, it is best to be in Russia.

not military, russia can reach usa in 9 minutes. it just realy happend because crimeans people didnt want to live like shit. it was by accident, and russian cant rejec them.
this also

Russia totally annihilated Chechnya. Turned it into dust.

Saudi Arabia is a heaven on Earth, wealth wise.

Right. Now how are you going to justify Russia invading Georgia, a sovereign country, in 2008?

>Ossetia doesn't exist.

Exactly.
These Germans have been in bed with russians for all too long and have backstabbed everyone, including us, on numerous occasions. And their only justification is "we need russian market and resources", fucking boomer logic.
If it was not for them and frogfags blocking us in NATO in 2008, there would have been no war.

These same faggots let Putin take Crimea in 2014. How do they respond? Sanctions. A slap on the wrist.

All Vlad understands is power.

If the West really wanted him to leave Crimea, they would have said if you don't leave Crimea in two weeks, we will send troops to liberate Crimea ourselves or we will arm Ukraine to take back Crimea. Putin is evil, but he's not crazy. He would have definitely left Crimea.

Whether or not he would have had to resign or not, I don't know.

It's Chamberlain all over again.

1. Kolomoiski is a Jew from Ukraine
2. Soros net worth: $8b, kolomoiski network: $1b
3. It doesn't matter how much money you have but how you use it. Someone worth 10m can invest 1m and cause more damage to society than a billionaire who invests nothing into "NGO"s and controlling the media

>Ukraine wants to join EU, moving it closer to the US
>Russia intervenes
>oH nO uNjUsTiFiEd AgReSsIoN
You obviously have no idea about balance between great powers

Yes, unjustified aggression, you fucking nigger.

That's like neo-cohens saying it's okay that Bush invaded Iraq cuz of "War on Terror" or "spreading democracy" or "securing Israel" after 9/11.

>All Vlad understands is power.

Sadly very few appreciate this crucial nuance of the ivan's psychology.

But this Man did:

youtube.com/watch?v=pmIv502yT3I

If it was not for his determination and moral strength, my whole country would have been occupied by russians till this day!

EU needs russian gas and Putin is providing it without any interruptions. That's all they care about.

>That's like neo-cohens saying it's okay that Bush invaded Iraq cuz of "War on Terror" or "spreading democracy" or "securing Israel" after 9/11.

No. Not at all. It's like them saying it's ok to annex pro-American parts of Mexico if there is a coup that installs a vehemently anti-American government.

Based Lukashenko stood up to Putin in 2009. He said Putin threatened to cut off his oil if he didn't vote for Abkhazia and Ossetia.

What is a coup? A military overthrow. Protests are not a coup.

>Russia totally annihilated Chechnya. Turned it into dust.
Then rebuilt it.

>Saudi Arabia is a heaven on Earth, wealth wise.
We are talking about areas where their money, wahhabism and other influence was involved. Name me one that became successful and not affected by conflicts and internal and not.