>economist Juliet Shor found that during periods of particularly high wages, such as 14th-century England, peasants might put in no more than 150 days a year.
>As for the modern American worker? After a year on the job, she gets an average of eight vacation days annually.
>Go back 200, 300 or 400 years and you find that most people did not work very long hours at all. In addition to relaxing during long holidays, the medieval peasant took his sweet time eating meals, and the day often included time for an afternoon snooze. “The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed,” notes Shor. “Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure.”
>Fast-forward to the 21st century, and the U.S. is the only advanced country with no national vacation policy whatsoever. Many American workers must keep on working through public holidays, and vacation days often go unused. Even when we finally carve out a holiday, many of us answer emails and “check in” whether we’re camping with the kids or trying to kick back on the beach.
So, where's the progress the pro-capitalists talk about? Have you been conditioned as a weak willed slave so strongly you think your time is worth the breadcrumbs you get paid? Don't you have anything more stimulating to do than your soulless job? Have some dignity.
All these years with this tendency, and we only have moved backwards. Reading this article has really ruined my sunday, I feel like fucking killing myself.
Yeah, obviously we can't, but we can't be worse off than medieval peasants. What sense does "progress" make when you have less leisure time than a peasant.
I don't have to work from the second I wake until I sleep to just barely scrape by.
James Price
But that's not how the lives of all peasants were. They took naps and had time to go to church and socializa inbetween, and much more holidays too. Also, what's wrong with just barely scraping by if you have more leisure time? Do you believe your car or your ps4 is worth more? That doesn't talk well about you as an individual to be honest.
Carson Brooks
Why would anyone read antisemitic conspiracy theories? Seems like a waste of time..
Jonathan Flores
progress was in XIX century when there was capitalism. now we have socialism with welfare and >50% taxed income
what a fucking rat you are
Christopher Long
How does that explain the need for reduced leisure time?
Isaac Harris
>when you have to claim history is conspiracy theory so you could at least hope someone will belive you are normal human being
>Fast-forward to the 21st century, and the U.S. is the only advanced country with no national vacation policy whatsoever. Many American workers must keep on working through public holidays Fucking kek, is this true? Biggest dumb goys you should be focusing on bombing your own country instead of the middle east
Adrian Hill
>progress was in XIX century when there was capitalism. now we have socialism with welfare and >50% taxed income
>Capitalism is all the good parts, socialism is everything bad.
Take responsibility for whate you've done for fucking once. The world is ruled by corporations.
Samuel Morgan
embrace hard work so u can pull up in an Aston u fucking normie
Samuel Clark
Yeah, the good old days of serfdom and peasantry. Couldn't own land or weapons, other than the farm implements your lord ordered you to carry in some military adventure. Good looking wife, daughter? Better be willing to let some noble sample them. You worked when he said, not when you felt like it. Had to have permission from the lord to do everything, from marry to travel. Ah, those halcyon days of yore.
Brandon Scott
The NEET lives more like a medieval peasant in terms of work. Consumerism is a sham once you realize items don't bring you happiness and 60% of the work/jobs around have no real reason to exist. What a society we live in when we have such abundance and relative wealth but so much poverty of the soul and the mind.
Logan Campbell
The illusion of choice, friend. Everything you listed can still apply today. Aka, yes, good goy, enjoy your “freedom” and take this long corporate dick.
Blake Thompson
Ok, now explain how having less leisure time translated into more freedom, aka the examples you brought up.
Dylan Reyes
>agricultural societies only worked the half of the year during planting and harvesting times Wow
i still have to ask a lord to travel (passport, commercial airlines), and i still have to ask a lord for marriage (legal marriage papers).
Levi Morales
All this thread is saying to me is that feudalism is better than capitalism or socialism both of which work people into the bone to the point they're not even scared of death anymore because it will be a release from the torment of constant labour and barely seeing family/friends.
We need to simplify a lot of things in our lives, return to a point where life was to be lived and loved, not worked through.
I have a full time job before anyone comes at me. 40hrs weekly.
Logan Morgan
I'm saying this is evidence that we could work a lot less and still be well off, but capitalism is addicted to "progress" and is working us to the bones; and being okay with that only makes you a drone.
John Wilson
The black plague killed off the working class and economically created a worker shortage which in turn jacked up the costs of anything needing to get done. It was also a time period where the seffdom was needed to keep a feudal economy going and the lords rich. With no serfs or labour all those manors collapsed since no of the lords could run their various businesses. Namely agriculture and mining.
Michael Barnes
eternal GDP growth is our new god, for no real purpose
Henry Mitchell
>>As for the modern American worker? >She
do women have more jobs than men now?
is this how fucked we are?
Charles Peterson
>medieval europe had more leisure time >medieval europe is universally considered the dark ages of human history >society started to exponentially improved after the enlightenment and the industrial revolution Really makes you think...
Adam Harris
What if we didn't improve as much as we thought we did? Honestly, explain to me how enlightenment needed less leisure time to happen or the industrial revolution. And why do we still need to "exponentially improve"?
Jacob Turner
Why do I need to compete with other countries? I just want a happy life with my family
Levi Myers
its not like we need to work a lot just because we have better technology, we could be working far less than peasants but weve been scammed by kikes with usery over and over again for like 1400 years and technology has increased their influence and effects 10 fold
Nathan Long
americans are fucking slaves because of muh protestant work ethic bullshit
Jackson Reed
>What if we didn't improve as much as we thought we did? Are you saying you'd like to live in a feudalist society with bronze-age technology? >Honestly, explain to me how enlightenment needed less leisure time to happen or the industrial revolution. It's pretty much agreed that the reasons why both those events even happened was because 1.) The Church lost a lot of political power, 2.) People stopped drinking beer and started drinking tea and coffee, and 3.) The age of colonialism created a demand for more people and more labor >And why do we still need to "exponentially improve"? Millions of people still live in poverty, millions of people still die from easily preventable diseases, we can potentially cure diseases like cancer and diabetes, we can make human labor obsolete with automation, we can build the technology to explore the stars and colonize other planets, the list is nearly endless.
Nolan Kelly
Well, the rest of the world is not that much better off, though.
Kayden Mitchell
Your head is full of Hollywood myths. Please study some historical data before posting about this subject again
Luis Hill
>medieval europe is universally considered the dark ages of human history Dark ages were after the fall of the Roman Empire and BEFORE medieval times dumbass
Jayden Wright
And I'm saying that was only possible because literally every economy was based only on the production of food. You work half the year to create enough food to survive the winter and you hope you don't die if famine or drought and then you do it all again. Today's economy has so many moving parts that if people didn't work half the year shit would fall apart real quick. If you love the "good old days" so much just fuck off to the woods. No money required.
Hudson Rogers
Shut the fuck up you uneducated inbred piece of shit. Don't you ever fucking run your mouth on here again until you graduate from middle school you shameful excuse of a human being.
>In the history of Europe, the Middle Ages (or medieval period) lasted from the 5th to the 15th century. >The "Dark Ages" is a historical periodization traditionally referring to the Middle Ages, that asserts that a demographic, cultural, and economic deterioration occurred in Western Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire.
William Cruz
>It's pretty much agreed that the reasons why both those events even happened was because 1.) The Church lost a lot of political power, 2.) People stopped drinking beer and started drinking tea and coffee, and 3.) The age of colonialism created a demand for more people and more labor
1 and 3 I can agree with, but 2) smells fresh out of your ass.
>Millions of people still live in poverty, millions of people still die from easily preventable diseases, we can potentially cure diseases like cancer and diabetes, we can make human labor obsolete with automation, we can build the technology to explore the stars and colonize other planets, the list is nearly endless.
Yeah, but the most amount of our work force isn't being aloted to those causes at all and you know it. And the fact that human labor seems to be on the rise, instead of on its way to extinction as you say, is pretty much evidence of this. Besides, all of this could easily be done at a slower pace if worse comes to worst.
Justin Watson
What about the countries with slave labour?
Noah Lewis
If you read the wiki a bit further you'd realize he was right and you're the moron.
Brayden Brooks
One thing I have never got into, is using a phone for 'smart' things. I sometimes take photos with it ( paint in oils so use those pictures). Put the phone down and give your brains a rest. Be smarter than virtually everyone else out there.
Luis Watson
You can't look at those numbers in the millions as if it says anything when humanity numbers in the billions. The percentage of people globally in poverty falls every single day.
>And I'm saying that was only possible because literally every economy was based only on the production of food. You work half the year to create enough food to survive the winter and you hope you don't die if famine or drought and then you do it all again. Today's economy has so many moving parts that if people didn't work half the year shit would fall apart real quick. If you love the "good old days" so much just fuck off to the woods. No money required.
95% of the moving parts our modern economy consists of are shitty techonoligcal gimmicks and the advertising needed for people to believe they need them.
Adrian Williams
And yet you sit here on the internet using a website you don't need on an electronic device you don't need. Why do Communists always think they know what people "need". Better yet who are you to say that I can't have what I want?
Caleb Howard
Capitalists do the same. Everyone slightly politically minded does.
When I talk about needs I don't talk only about phisiological needs, retard. Of course we need the internet and pcs, what we don't need is consoles, for example, which are pretty much locked down computers. Yet a lot of work force is put into producing, investigating and producing those and DRM.
>The concept of a "Dark Age" originated in the 1330s with the Italian scholar Petrarch, who regarded the post-Roman centuries as "dark" compared to the light of classical antiquity >The concept thus came to characterize the entire Middle Ages as a time of intellectual darkness between the fall of Rome and the Renaissance; this became especially popular during the 18th-century Age of Enlightenment >The majority of (((modern scholars))) avoid the term altogether due to its negative connotations, finding it misleading and inaccurate. >Protestants generally had a similar view to Renaissance Humanists such as Petrarch, but also added an Anti-Catholic perspective. They saw classical antiquity as a golden time, not only because of its Latin literature, but also because it witnessed the beginnings of Christianity. They promoted the idea that the 'Middle Age' was a time of darkness also because of corruption within the Roman Catholic Church, such as: Popes ruling as kings, veneration of saints' relics, a licentious priesthood, and institutionalized moral hypocrisy TL;DR Dark ages started after the fall of Rome and the introduction of Christianity, and ended with the Renaissance, commonly referred to as the medieval period
Jayden Anderson
Because there is no more public forums around, what else we should do if we want to discuss our ideas? Access to information is not a gimmick. But pretty much everything what modern pop culture is about does not bring any value to the society. Snapchat? Twitch? iphones? Do we really need that?
Cameron Harris
In what way do capitalists decide for others what it is that they need? You can come to market with a product but if people don't want it then you have to fuck off. I'm sure you'll try to play up marketing as if it's forcing people to buy anything. >Don't need consoles Consoles are part of the reason that computer hardware is as affordable as it is. Economies of scale means that companies like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft investing billions into new hardware and competing to lower those costs mean you can buy similar components for a reasonable price. You don't know what you're talking about.
Joseph Parker
>Being Mexican Not surprising honestly. Again, if people find value in a product and it gets used that is justification for its existence. You aren't forced to use any of them. Also the public forum still exists. By your logic you're falling for a tech gimmick that gave you a microphone to the world when really you could always just address your own community in person.
Gabriel Edwards
You could have more gpu companies competing to lower the prices of gpus and you would achieve the same effect without the setbacks consoles bring.
The problem is the market is retarded, and people like you prefer to look elsewhere out of lack of will to change. Droning your whole life away just because you're afraid of leaving your privileged position.
Luis Fisher
If no one did this, let me be the first one to do so: Juliet (((Shor)))
Jeremiah Rogers
>Hey, if you don't like it just go complete neurotic and go live in the woods or give soapbox speeches on the streets!
Can you call that freedom with a straight face? Or are you just talking out of bad faith?
Blake Green
>Again, if people find value in a product and it gets used that is justification for its existence. You aren't forced to use any of them. I'm not forced to use those products, but it shifts focus and resources of the society to something that only destroys it. >when really you could always just address your own community in person People don't gather outside as they used to. Moreover, they don't even want to go outside on average. That's why pretty much every grocery store chain have delivery services now. The more digitized our lives become, the more isolated we end up.
Did you assume I'm a Mexican because of my English? I'm slav and it's my third language, give me a slack.
Eli Collins
all lies
people had weapons tons of them and "Serfdom" is a jewish hoax it existed only in Russia for a brief period of time pushed by their Ivan "advisors" who got him fucking kids and fags
Kevin Garcia
false on one account
"dark age" is a total myth and it literally applied to fall of Rome to the time Charlemagne came into power then ended "Protestants" aren't Christians just imbecilic heretics who love their kike masters
Ethan Jenkins
Being a gpu manufacturer has a lot of barriers to entry outside of just money. Putting together hardware with the benefit of economies of scale does not.
Benjamin Morales
Yeah, obviously it's easier to sell consoles, (still not by much, there are like 3 console manufacturers and at least on of them is pretty much dead), but what about consumers? Because I don't think having 2 gpu manufacturers is best for consumers.
Oliver Gutierrez
This is why we must accelerate automation till everyone is kicked out of their job and humanity is forever retired
Joseph White
Friendly reminder all threads concerning Jews are capped below 150 or less by Federal government "moderators" to cover for their corrupt friends
Carson Wilson
Daily reminder that its MOTHERS DAY TODAY and its not a national holiday.
Ian Ramirez
Based and ratpilled
Joshua Garcia
we're actually not far off. the average person gets 2 days off per week, and works 40 hours(5 8hr days). The days off alone adds up to 96 days, and the free 8hrs every day you're not working or sleeping adds up to an additional 80 days( I figured that by taking 8 hrs of rest with 8 hrs on the job and taking the last 8 hrs out of the 24hr day as free time, multiplying that last 8 hr free time by 5 because I'm not counting days off work and multiplying the result of those 5 days by 4, and then multiplying the result of that by 12 and dividing it all by 24. I'm by no means a mathematician and I'm probably wrong). So a typical wagie works less than a medieval peasant.
Connor Cruz
Jewish "economist" figures out what German sociologist did in the 1900s.
