Was Ayn Rand Jow Forums before the internet was around? Literally who else spoke like this in the '60s?

So you have nothing to refute it with?

a firing squad is a kind of refutation

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Not a valid criticism. She was Jewish yes, but suffered under the commies (media loves ignoring USSR persecution of Jews) and came to the US and saw it becoming Marxist so she spent her life warning (accurately predicting) the regression that the US would experience as it became more socialist.

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couldn't she had gone to be an individual instead of making her intellectual speculations collective? i mean. if you're a private person then act private. being a public figure is not private

>the regression that the US would experience as it became more socialist
you mean the regression the US would experience if i kept on taking care of disabled people...

Source? Didn’t think so.

This is beyond retarded.

So is this.

She just spoke as the detached from nature urbanite and oversocialized fanatic jewish supremacist that she was.

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you know, "disability" is actually a relative concept.. like, you could say the Joe is disabled relative to Mike Tyson at his prime. or that Jane is mentally disabled relatively to a Chess master...

you could actually find yourself in the "disabled" category...

>you have no right to your homeland
typical jew rat

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Yeah. A jewess.

i mean it.. if a person is truly individual, if he's a self-sustained bubble, he should keep to that bubble. like if she's an individual and im an individual why should i read HER books? its not MY books. she is what she is and i am wht i am... like, why should i listen to her? she's not me.

based. anyone who preaches individualism or relativism BTFOs themselves because if what they're saying is true, why the fuck should we care what they're saying?

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actually if you were really her pupil you shouldn't even be here. this place is kinda collective.. you might say pol/ is some sort of a community... if you are you, if you're an individual, why are you here? i am not you. non of the people commenting on this board are you.. why are you here?

Nobody's forcing you to read her books or listen to her, but for the sake of everyone else, you should consider suicide, faggot commie

the white man did not have the right to take it, but because of the white man's wealth, he could easily buy up all the land, which is what we often did. indians would sell huge tracts of land for next to nothing, because they were very primitive and poor.

Holy shit, this is the stupidest shit Ive read yet. Im utterly dumbfounded -I dont even know where to beign.

>OMG you guys I'm literally shaking right now I can't even

i know nobody is forcing me but why would you bring her up? Rand is Rand. and she's actually dead so she's no longer even a viable individual at that... i am not Rand, you are not Rand, non of us here are Rand.

I don't give a fuck about Rand, I just despise all commies and want the all dead.

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Thats it...I have finally found the least intelligent person on the internet.

I can rest peacefully now.

Do you even know what individualism is? It revolves around protecting the rights of the individual. I have no idea how you interpreted it as that you should live in a hole; your reading comprehension is terrible. You don't grant rights to collectives, i.e aboriginal rights, black rights, refugee rights, etc.

You only grant rights that apply to each and every individual. How is this not the most rational ways of applying rights to a population?

>relativism
>ayn rand

...yet another person, who hasnt a clue what they are talking about.

Where does it say that being an individual, precludes forming voluntary associations...of individuals...?

I have never seen good criticism of Ayn Rand that includes any understanding of her works.

Sometimes, somethings are simply too stupid to argue against.

Just pointing it out.

I feel sorry for the Buffalo but that's about it

what do you mean "rights"? being an individual means i am what i am, I = I, why should anyone who is not me grant me anything? why should i need rights? if i am me and you are you and rand is rand so that's it. what are "rights"?

Ayn Rand, Just Go Away
By Victoria Bekiempis, Guardian UK
ayn Rand is one of those people whom you just want to go away, but won't.
Much to the lament of my philosophy classmates, I was that girl who frequently
(and loudly!) argued in favor of Rand's illogical claims that altruism doesn't exist;
that selfishness is a virtue; and that "rational egoism" is the only right way to live.
stop worshiping fake jews.
readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/11863-focus-ayn-rand-just-go-away
ayn was a worthless fucking russian commie.
disprove it if you care so much.

>le bait
here's your (You)

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i reject this comment

Ayn Rand proof that women are shit at philosophy

This. Been defending her, for 20 years now. I have come to the conclusion that there are three types of people who dislike Rand:

>Those who have read rand and arent able to understand
>Those who have read her work, but refuse to understand
>And those who have read her work, understand that she was right -but hate her for it and subsequently create all of the deliberate misconstrusions, adhominems and rationaliations, about her/her ideas, in order to inform the opinions of both of the former two groups.

This is why all of the arguments against her are the same and based on little if any actual knowledge of her ideas.

Really makes me ill.

You reject reason itself

I’m a moralfag who isn’t particularly fond of Jewish subversive moral relativism, that’s all user.

She's interesting, but not one of us or white.

>moral relativism
>Rand

If youre white -then you are proof that not all whites are worth fuck all.

I hate her for writing Dagney in Atlas Shrugged as a hypergamous and masculine cunt.

its not MY comment, its YOUR comment,
"reason" is a collectivist matter. YOUR reason is not MY reason.

I definitely didnt like that aspect. But those types of women do exist. And if they are able to compete in a mans world, let em.

What exactly is subversive or relativist about her works? She started the Objectivist movement in the '60s. She is literally the exact opposite of the Marxist relativists that ruined our society. You just proved his point that criticisms or Rand are based on ignorance.

>thinks reasoning is subjective

I cant wait to turn you into diesel.

Rand...Jow Forums...wat

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You have to be the biggest retard on Jow Forums or on drugs. If it's the latter, sober up before posting again. If it's the former, go shoot yourself, you have no hope.

i reject this comment also

Most people cannot think. This is the final redpill. They need to be told what to do, and shot- if they disobey.

This, are mark my words -they will be doing the shooting, according to the will of another, more nefarious man.

Of course she's the exact opposite. She's the Jewish individualist opposite Jewish bolshevism. Which one are you going to pick goy? Those are your options.

why are you speaking with ME? i am ME. you are YOU.

Is Jow Forums materialist, devoid of all other meaning? If so...Then yes.

The one whose philosophy revolves around advocating for my freedom and not granting rights to people based on which group they belong to...

>Romantic love, in the full sense of the term, is an emotion possible only to the man (or woman) of unbreached self-esteem: it is his response to his own highest values in the person of another—an integrated response of mind and body, of love and sexual desire. Such a man (or woman) is incapable of experiencing a sexual desire divorced from spiritual values.

Ayn Rand is far from a materialist.

The keyword there was moralfag, i.e. Catholic morality, the basis for high-trust society, which she subverts by pushing her obsessive yid individualism. Such an ego obsessed person should be shunned rather than championed.

I agree. Women need to be chained to radiators like nature intended, not writing books or running railway companies.

You can't take anything written by women seriously or you might find out that they are right, shattering your worldview altogether.

Tocqueville

>jew lover

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Good choice goy. You're an individual. We're an ethno religious group though, we've gotta look after our interests after all. And those brown people over there are a group who look after their interests. And those black people over there are a group who look after their interests.

You're all alone, an individual.

I'm saying the same principle applies to relativism as individualism, that's why I said "or" instead of "and."

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What kind of criticism is this? You have no idea what morals even are, much less what Rand's morality is even about.

Catholicism doesn't have morals, just do what the Pope tells you and disguise your cowardice for pacifism. This is how the West ended up importing a hundred million migrants and will give away all of its possessions until it finally becomes extinguished. It's literally the worst philosophy you could come up with and only really works in small communities of people all equally committed to one another (aka not the real world).

Maybe it's not the same in Spain maybe your "muh familia" meme is real I don't actually know but here it was a huge awakening for me to read of all things Atlas Shrugged when the railroad guy realized his wife and this mother and law and his brother all of them hated him not for his sins not for not being there not for doing or being anything wrong but for everything good about him. So maybe in some environment with a good social fabric being a "hyper individualist" as I've seen it called ITT is bad but if you only have predatory people around you it's actually good to say NO to them which is maybe in fact Ayn Rands experience in her own life.
You don't have to agree with her but look at all the hate she gets. A lot of people say a lot of strange things but Ayn Rad though a jew herself sure drives the far left mad and I think it's more then just owning the libs she understood them.

Lol good job advertising that you missed the point. And where do you think that hippy dippy nonsense surrounded by "muh happiness" would lead to?

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>Catholic morality
>fucks kids

...morality...

>which she subverts by pushing her obsessive yid individualism
> yid individualism

The concept of the individual is not jewish in origin.
What is the renaissance?
What is the enlightenment?
Where did these things take place?

The idea that each man owns himself, is simply an objective reality. The ability to discern this reality, is not limited to any one race...

...as our conversation makes abundantly clear...

Also, she was not ego obsessed. You completely misunderstand her ideas. She liked competence. Thats all.

You realize that without collectivist welfare programs and Marxist policies, the demographics of the US would be drastically different? If all the warnings of Rand were heeded, this country would look very different today. She was the first to properly describe how the decline of the US would come about.

I don't understand how you can think that Objectivism or Classical Liberalism will lead to the death of White people, when it was that philosophy that sparked their golden age from the 17th-20th century; and the abandonment of that philosophy that lead to their decline.

An easy argument against it would be that the native way of life was completely inadequate for supporting a larger population because in order for it to work each small clan of natives needed large territories. Casual gardening and gathering is extremely inefficient compared to proper agriculture. The Americas are huge continents and if considered purely on a resource management basis, it is a net loss to the world as a whole if they are left unmanaged.

Well now you know why the nat soc collectivists give your lives to a man in a bunker hate her.

What ya doin rabbi?

Yep

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hippy dippy nonsense is 68' we 2019 now, stey tuned my nigga

youtube.com/watch?v=XRHvDodOZEs

>couldn't she had gone to be an individual instead of making her intellectual speculations collective? i mean. if you're a private person then act private. being a public figure is not private
She was trying to affect other individuals, dumb ass !!!!! Fuck off with your collective, commune cocksucking !!!!

She literally said that we shouldn't give welfare to poor countries but Jow Forums loves it when Trump gives Central America more $ then the wall would have ever cost because they're little faggots.

Is it weird I could tell you're female even before you mentioned it?

What did I say? I said chain cunts to radiators as soon as possible or they run away and start running railroads and we don't want that, goy.

>and vs. or

Whatever, works either way.

In any case, your logic is nigger tier. Its like saying, "my dentist preaches individualism, therefore I shouldnt floss"

You need to leave.

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Fantastic critique

Nail on head

no, if a true individualist doesn't write books. a true individual just is. to write books you have to engage in language. language is a collectivist affair.

i think ayn rand was based and i fucking love her books and i think that you're all just too brainlet to understand it, because all your opinions come from other people on the internet. i don't even think that capitalism, socialism, communism or individualism are real things and her books are still based and true. subjective and objective are words that don't mean anything either. none of you are smart and your opinions are cancer. none of you even read books, unless you're one of those people that read like 3 books too look smart and just parrot them because it's good content to repeat for you to seem smart with. i'm smart.

>because they were very primitive and poor.
because they were inferior

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If all you can do is attack a euphamism then you have no argument.

She's right ya know

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The Jews are a civilizational parasite. The world is their homeland. So long as you have built a civilization to sustain them, they will be along shortly to preach to you the virtues of private fractional reserve banks that only they are allowed to own.

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When I read that I thought one thing: BASED!

kek. you sure are butt blasted antifa faggot.

so this is how you go fishing for boyfriends.

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Holy shit haha primitivist fags #OWNED #PWNED

kek. pretty true desu senpai. this faggot is literally in the double digit iq territory.

It was a long time since I read Atlas Shrugged, I think you mean Henry Rearden, yeah, not the first author to talk about the concept of envy in all its dimensions. The thing about that book is that everything was a caricaturization of reality, but I guess it helped her to get her points across.

Your statement, thought sound, does not reflect my sentiments. I think you may be confusing me or my statement with anothers. Follow the trail back and see.

Right. Thats what I thought you said. Thanks for clarifying...

Please try and make me.

"West", "Migrants", "Philosophy".

all collectivist shit. I am ME. YOU are YOU, Rand is Rand. I am not "West". I am not "Philosophy". and how can "We" "import" "Migrants"? "Migrant" is collectivist. "Migrants" dont exist, only Individuals can exist

soddenly you forgot all about the individual and started talking about the "West".

>was a Jew Jow Forums
kill yourself OP
>leaf
oh that makes sense why this is post is so bad

>"Migrants" dont exist, only Individuals can exist
this might be the most retarded post i've ever seen on Jow Forums

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>Joy ceased to be life’s aim
What in the lord's name do people think tribal life was like? Civilization was developed because the unskilled hunter-gatherer's life is harsh and miserable.

Imagine a people so utterly unskilled that upon finding new and fertile land, they promptly started going to war with each other and eventually killed all their horses while forgetting how to work metal or even use most tools. The only thing that changed when Europeans arrived was that finally someone other than other Natives was killing Natives. Reservations, even the drug-plagued trailerparks, are a luxury resort compared to pre-European living conditions for many tribes.