We should eliminate wages and salaries

the economy should be based off of agreeing to pay workers an amount for the completion of a goal. There is a clear goal and a clear amount paid. This is a much more free market capitalist idea than just having people work for a set wage regardless of how much work they do. We also wouldnt be stuck in these horrendously boring, illogical 9-5 jobs in which most people don't even spend all that time working

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>an amount for the completion of a goal
Okay write a programm that accomplishes x. What would I have to pay you based on your model?

>wage labor and contract labor are the same thing

Too subjective.

....they would negotiate and agree on a payment. contractors do this all the time

Just give me some concrete example of a a goal being completed within concrete number at the end

>completion of a goal
People would just get greedy and cut corners so they can get paid faster.

One of my early summer jobs was like that. It resulted in a fixed cost for them, and it resulted on an income dependent on how hard I wanted to work for me.

I quickly became highly efficient at it, and they kept rehiring me. Good stuff.

well for a real world example, artists often do commissions where they make a drawing for a set price. the artists make the drawing, then they get paid for it.

is that really true? if someone gets paid to mow a lawn, do you really think they don't do it to completion? and if they didn't, you don't think that's the kind of thing that could be challenged in a private law court?

if anything, the current system of wages encourages people to cut corners, as you will get paid regardless.

Even before I got a real summer job, I mowed lawns. Usually $20 unless it was unusually big or small or whatever. Motivating factor is to figure out how to maintain a quality mow without blowing a lot of time on it.

People don't see the millions of blades of grass you cut. They see the few you missed.

Commies love coming up with art because it's so tangible.
Generally you have to get done something to a certain quality in a certain timeframe.
You'd get all the risk in a negotiation and would be probably not much better off if you were to divide the money by work hours.
On the other hand hourly pay basically incentivices to work longer no matter the quality.
The best solution is working for equity which is already done today.
You can negotiate your own terms and work as much as you want.
In general there is only one issue and this is liquidity because most people live paycheck to paycheck.
What do you think of working for equity instead?

Yes bit you don't need the government to regulate it for you. You can do that already on your own

i don't see much of a difference between equity and wages. either way you are getting a cut. for large scale companies it would probably end up feeling the same as a wage

Who said anything about the government? That's the way the owner wanted to pay me. He explained his rationale and I agreed that it made sense. The government was only involved as far as having to play by the rules of being a corporation and paying taxes and whatnot.

I think it works as the perfect replacement for welfare using small jobs to maintain public stuff. Niggas, hobos and others are too chaotic for regular jobs.

>people should have less economic freedom
Kys commie scum

What you are describing is a commission system. We already have that. If you want to tell companies that they have to switch to a commission system instead of what they have already chosen to use, that is antithetical to the free market. Not all jobs are going to fit the model that you want them to fit, and that's perfectly fine. If the jobs weren't worth existing, people wouldn't be paid for them.

our population is willing to work more hours, and have more debt to maintain a certain lifestyle.

maybe if our population was fiscally responsible with their money they wouldn't have to work as much.

So what happens if there is a breakdown or scheduled maintenance period?

kek there's no way an employer can abuse this system!

Here's a simple example of where this system might break apart. In academia and other research institutions, the end goal is to produce conference/journal papers. These are funded by grants. There is typically an individual called a PI that oversees the grant to make sure it's not being wasted away.

So should we just pay $x for each paper? No. For starters, we don't have a good way of knowing how long any particular project is going to take. A good portion of time spent on a project is finding out whether there is any related work, whether some particular methodology is feasible, etc... The actual construction of the paper takes relatively little time compared to the rest of the research, which would be needed to have an accurate assessment of how much time it would take for determining the cost of the finished product.

There are many tasks where assessing the appropriate amount of time for a project's completion may be nontrivial, and therefore picking a single number ahead of time for appropriate compensation would not be the best approach. People should be free to pick whichever type of payment plan works best.

>when the academic can't do what normal contractors do all the time
The absolute state of estimation.

>Be you
>Make shitty wages
>Too pussy to ask your boss for a raise
>Ask society to give you a raise instead

They are called contractors and usually get some good profit margins for their labor

Sheet rock, drywall, paint and standardized pictures are a whole different animal than trying to make a more accurate interferometry experiment.

>contractors should be a thing
wow, what a novel idea..

Contractors are usually producing something that has either been produced in the past, or is very similar to something produced in the past, with some modifications to the design.

Research papers generally have to produce something that has never been produced before. Estimating the amount of time it would take would imply that you already did a decent portion of the work.

I've done both contractor work and been a peer-reviewed published R&D guy. They're remarkably the same.

Oh really? What were you researching?

Too much to list. I was there as staff, not trying to buy a PhD. So, for instance, I had to research what would be my best guess of how to allocate the budget. Or, at other times, perhaps it was a way to reformulate some algorithm or other to have better convergence properties under the conditions of the spectrum of expected hardware resources. Usually more system-oriented stuff, pointing out how to put other people's work together the right way to spy on everybody or whatever else.

Just a side note: I make $40k/yr doing Uber 4 hours a day, 5 days a week.

This is called piecework, and is illegal if the pay over the number of hours required to produce something is less than the federal or state minimum wage.

most jobs are already like that. when you want to paint your house you agree on final price, then I hire niggers to work hourly and stand there making sure they work instead of wasting time.