>A California journalist is accusing cops of raiding his home and shackling him after he published information from a confidential police report.
>Freelance reporter Bryan Carmody said officers descended Friday on his San Francisco home and office, confiscating dozens of items including his cellphone, computer, hard drives and cameras, the Los Angeles Times reported.
>When Carmody refused to give up his source, authorities obtained a search warrant to investigate him for “stolen or embezzled” property, according to the LA Times.
>Carmody said he was handcuffed for about seven hours while officers searched his property and took the leaked documents.
Quick run down? And the average person in the USA doesn't have any sort of protection. No knock warrants, civili forfeiture and red flag orders to take away guns
Ethan Bell
Ya cant sarachi the adachi
Alexander Barnes
The conservative Supreme Court justices will take the cops side
Luis Hernandez
>authorities obtained a search warrant While i of course am against such things, i dont think you can go running and yellow 'muh 4th amendment rights' when they did go through the mechanisms of the state.
Nicholas Watson
>California journalist so a blogger
Nolan Rodriguez
Normally I don't like cops, but arresting journalists is doing the Lord's work.
Liam Parker
California is not American.
Matthew Turner
>they did go through the mechanisms of the state. It's cool guys. My rights were violated but they went through proper channels before shredding the constitution so it's all good.
Its muh 1st ammendment rights being violated not muh 4th, retard. Congress shall make no law, full stop.
Jaxson Carter
Despite what the Americans have been pushing in their propaganda for the last 200 years, living in a republic/democracy does not equal living in freedom. Democracy has reached levels of tyranny and micromanagement of people's daily lives on a level that the worst tyrants of history never could have dreamed of. But hey, we get to vote an sheeit!
Gavin Edwards
What kind of information did he leak?
Ryder Brown
You are cancer.
Evan Cooper
I was convinced on Obstruction of justice, 30days 27 suspended, for refusing to provide the last name of a minor I witnessed involved in a fight. So yeah...
Owen Hill
SCOTUS is full of bootlickers now thanks to Trump and McConnell so this will get upheld.
Michael Reed
From what it sounds like is that a paper published this journalists story that was based on information that was either leaked or stolen.
Heres where it gets tricky.
The freedom of the press is entrenched in the 1st.
>But does that allow the press to say sell cocaine at bars in order to write a story on drug dealing? Or recieve stolen property to write a story?
So it gets tricky.
Nowadays with (((sources familiar with xxxx thinking))) and (((anonymous sources))) I would rather err on the side of the state than of the press as it would set a precedent to allow them to start actually committing crimes in the name of (((Journalism))).
Zachary Clark
Freedom of the press doesn’t mean freedom from consequences
Noah King
stealing and dealing in stolen information, probably pertaining to ongoing investigations, and violating several people's privacy is nigger behavior and needs punishment.
Lincoln Williams
The constitution guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure. Who gets to decide what is reasonable? The legislature does, the legislature which is elected by the people, and makes laws that the courts follow. The police went to a court, asked for a warrant. The judge deemed whatever evidence and reasoning they presented to be in line with the laws written that govern this sort of thing.
Isaiah Wright
Oh no, a Journalist revealed that a public defender who died of a heart attack had cocaine in his system!
If the information is acquired illegally, the journalist is an accessory.
Future coder. Several years experience working for VICE.
Cameron Gonzalez
So you weren't protecting a confidential source... you just refused to give police information while they were carrying out an investigation. Sounds exactly like obstruction, to be honest. Give us some more details. Did you know the kid's name? Did you tell the police you knew the kid's name? What reason did you give for not giving them this information?
for like 6000 years we here " dont speak ill of the dead"
Why do people need to know this guy had cocaine in his system?
How come the media/democrats were so opposed to letting people know what Travon Martin had in is system? (that actually was relevent as to his behavior)
Lincoln Howard
>If the information is acquired illegally, the journalist is an accessory. Not under US law.
Jeremiah Johnson
The toxicology was given to the defense in discovery, thus it became public information because of Florida's "sunshine" law. I have a copy of it somewhere (probably on my dropbox). All he had was THC.
Andrew Nguyen
wasn't there a passage in the PATRIOT act that said that?
Christopher Torres
what about the whole skittles thing?
Josiah Sanchez
There were blank passages in the patriot act that could be filled in with literally anything later. Pre-approved by congress.
>PATRIOT found it >. According to the committee, the law allows the government to require journalists to turn over their notes upon demand, potentially forcing them to reveal the identities of secret sources. In addition, journalists' communications could come under FBI surveillance without their knowledge.
It was scare mongered quit a bit when wikileaks became a thing (they were implying that looking at wikileaks could get you put in jail quite heavily). However, no.. it's not illegal.
What about them? He spoke of "purple drank" in text messages. He had skittles from the store. He had the tea. He did NOT have the cough syrup. The tea and skittles were found on the ground near his body... unopened.
Logan Cruz
Why exactly are journalists allowed to withhold information from police? Non-journalists can be jailed on obstruction charges if they refuse to divulge information. I would be on the journalist's side 10 years ago, but now that they are activists instead of journalists I don't give a shit about them.
Eli Hall
Actually, yes. There is often leeway given to “journalists” but there is nothing actually preventing their detention or charging them except for the grace of the state.
>California We already know it’s a communist shithole
Owen Reyes
I had thought that victims of crime could not be doxxed, for example toxicology reports made public. Maybe I am wrong.
Jaxson Adams
Yes. However even without the PATRIOT act the .gov can absolutely arrest, detain, prosecute, etc. anyone in possession of classified material at their own discretion. Creating an image of an administration bullying journalists is bad politics though, and notably Obama’s heavy handed tactics against a particular journalist resulted in one of the very few times the press actually united against him until DOJ backed off.
Dylan Bell
play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Dominic Davis
That's not doxxing. A state saying "we're going to have an open court system, thus ALL EVIDENCE is available for the public (with few exceptions)" ... is absolutely no where close to being doxxing. Perhaps you should go look up that word so you can use it correctly in the future.
Joseph Sanchez
american fuckin freedom
Logan Martinez
this is a very good post.
I would add that Journalists have been so bold as to claim "special protection" in publishing classified info, saying they have to spoon feed us wikileaks rather than us taking a look for ourselves.
Freedom of the Press means they can say anything, but as soon as that right violates my rights its illegal, so CNN threatening to Dox a meme creator would be illegal. Or publishing state secrets that puts US troops in danger. Or ruining someones life by general shitty reporting. All is illegal. But exposing state corruption is, fair game.
Hudson Hall
Technically, they aren’t if the information was stolen from the .gov but generally it’s more trouble than it’s worth to go after them.
Juan Reed
>Non-journalists can be jailed on obstruction charges if they refuse to divulge information What about muh right to remain silent?
Nolan Cruz
The second amendment is also blatantly clear and yet it doesn't stop police from encroaching on people's right to bear arms. Fuck journalists.
Jose Carter
Also Trayvon Martin was not the "victim of a crime". He was a nigger that chimped out on the wrong person.
Charles Cruz
kek
Lincoln Phillips
this, get fucked
Ayden Bell
as of late they have been publishing shit that doesnt need to be public and puts people in danger. Maybe if they used spme fucking decorum this wouldnt be an issue...but gottta get dem clicks!
Hunter Myers
try encroaching on my 2nd am right to keep and bear arms, statist pig.
He’s right. California shits on the Constitution daily.
Caleb Nguyen
The Constitution doesn't mean shit in commiefornia.
Jacob Morgan
>LA
Of course it's a retard state and law
Elijah Cook
releasing toxicology "documents" , doxxing. kys homo no one likes you.
Carson Morris
Seriously, go look up that word. It does not mean what you think it does. It does not mean "releasing" shit.
Asher Thomas
>publishing state secrets that puts US troops in danger That's not illegal. The act of obtaining classified information without proper clearance or someone with clearance knowingly handling it in a negligent manner is illegal. Possessing classified info is not illegal.
Jackson Adams
Warren? Is that you man?
Cooper Richardson
The police do not have the right to force you to speak to them. They don't have the power to compel you testimony or to give them information. That is not how obstruction works. Sounds like retaliation by lazy police.
They actually do. If they have no other means to get that information, it can be compelled.| >I just don't want to give you that information absolutely is obstruction... hence the person's CONVICTION on obstruction charges. You skipped that part of what they said, didn't you?
once it reaches a reporter's hands, it can be legally leaked. research case law about this t. did 3 years of law in Florida before moving to Germany because i don't want to live in a shithole country with high crime rate and poverty
Xavier Walker
>The charges were dropped, and she plans to sue over the arrest.
Stupid police do stupid things all the time, and it's unfortunate that we need to use the courts to correct them.
Grayson King
Lol actually, yes they can compel you. People are jailed for obstruction and contempt all the time. You don’t HAVE to cooperate, but strictly speaking if you’re subpeonaed and refuse to give testimony, you can be held in contempt and jailed until the judge gets bored fucking with you.
Benjamin Peterson
>steal police property >Claim to have had a source on the report >The source is you >Get mad when you're arrested for breaking the law Journalists are the worst kind of nigger.
Jason Torres
Police can arrest you as a material witness and hold you in jail if you won't give them the information they want.
Mason Mitchell
based and chili-garlic pilled
Nathan Allen
Correct. There are only TWO times where you can not be compelled: - 5th Amendment protects you - The information is about a crime your spouse may have been involved in.
>until the judge gets bored fucking with you Much longer than that, actually. They can hold you in contempt until the contemptuous behavior has been righted. For example, if you refuse to give a kid's last name they can hold you in contempt up until the moment the last name has slipped your lips, and no further. However, this isn't contempt. This is obstruction. This tells me that he didn't have an actual reason to not tell the police. It might be contempt if he had a reason (ie: "I'm afraid the family might target me").
This is also confusing another part of the 1st that is specific to journalism.. which is called "reporter's privilege" in the US. This guy wasn't a reporter reporting on something.. he was just being a dick to the police because.. reasons.
Andrew Gonzalez
>don't want to live in a shithole country with high crime rate and poverty might want to move soon, then
Caleb Gutierrez
>I would rather err on the side of the state than of the press as it would set a precedent to allow them to start actually committing crimes in the name of (((Journalism))). Problem is that there is no gap between (((journalism))) and the (((state))). Just look at CNN/NBC/etc, filled to the gills with 'former' intelligence agents. The law itself doesn't matter, only who is in charge of it.
Jackson James
OMG THIS GROWN KILLER MAN HAD SKITTLES.... SKITTLES!!!!!! >he deserved to die.
However the idea of journalists being privileged does not have a statuatory basis. It is merely the .gov usually determining the political costs of being seen as bullying journalists outweighing the possible benefits of prosecuting them.
Brayden Perry
What's your opinion on the Watergate and any other government scandal exposed by journalists?
Ryan Hernandez
They aren’t the state itself, they’re just team lefty. Former and current gov employees, policymakers and lawmakers, the media, financiers, etc. whose interests all broadly align and/or overlap.
Charles Wood
Kys bootlicker
Daniel Richardson
I'm not old enough to have a real opinion on Watergate. But breaking the law to get info makes you a spy/criminal, not s journalist. >Break down your neighbors door and steal his tax documents to prove he didn't file accurately
No, it isn't magically legal when reaches the reports hands. It depends on if the reporter encouraged the leakier to break the law. And even worse if he aided the law breaking or offered material compensation for breaking the law to the leakier. I can't offer a cop $1000 for confidential files
Cooper Thomas
The only travesty here is that these Californians are still breathing
