Marcion of Sinope was right

I've been reading the Bible recently and I've realized that it actually makes perfect sense if viewed through the interpretation of Marcion of Sinope (85-160 AD)

Marcion was an early Church father who pre-dated the Catholic Church (Council of Nicea) by over 150 years.

His main point was that the Old Testament God (Yahweh) is NOT God the Father whom Jesus spoke about. Jesus is the son of the One True God, but He is NOT Yahweh - in fact, they're opposites.

Once you start looking at the Bible from this perspective, the proofs are EVERYWHERE.

For example, compare 1 John 1:5
"And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you: God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all."

to Isaiah 45:3
"I will give you the treasures of darkness And hidden wealth of secret places, So that you may know that it is I, The LORD, the God of Israel, who calls you by your name."

or compare Matthew 7:9-11
"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!"

to Numbers 21:4-6
"But the people grew impatient on the journey and spoke against "God" and against Moses: “Why have you led us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? There is no bread or water, and we detest this wretched food!”

So the LORD sent poisonous snakes among the people, and many of the Israelites were bitten and died."

or compare Matthew 5:34-37
But I say unto you, Swear not at all...
But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these comes from evil."

to Deut. 6:13
"It is the Lord your God you shall fear. Him you shall serve and by his name you shall swear."

Once you start reading the Bible like this, you can find 100s of places where the God Jesus spoke about is the OPPOSITE of Yahweh/The Lord. The mysteries disappear and the story makes sense!

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>pre-dated the Catholic Church (Council of Nicea) by over 150 years.
Imagine unironically believing this. Protestant genocide when?
>yes officer, here is more evidence that the common folk shoud've never touched the bible

I would like to hear some discussion on this, it would explain a lot of the odd stuff

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you're alleging there was an organization calling itself "The Roman Catholic Church" between 85-160 AD?

I'm just a novice but I figured anything before Jesus is pointless to read. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh who lived abd died as a man to be a liaison to man for God, the old testament is neat but nowhere near as important as the red letters.

Except that Jesus used the Old Testament to support his claim to being the messiah. If you don't have the Old Testament then Jesus teachings make no sense. Jesus clearly thought that the God of the Old Testament was the true God so if you deny the legitimacy of the Old Testament then you deny the legitimacy of Jesus.

>See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

Ignatius of Antioch, 100AD

We touched on this in another thread but I can't remember the outcome... but I asked if Jesus was overly hung up on regaining the Promised Land like all the OT prophets were?

nah, cause he made reference to God's law in the old testament calling him Father. Like in John 10:31-37

Right but it's still important to read the OT to understand the context Jesus was responding to. For example, when Jesus says that God is Good and won't send you a snake if you ask for food, he's directly referencing the Exodus story where Yahweh sends snakes to bite the Israelites when they asked for food. The religious Jews he was speaking to would have understood this reference and understood the significance

Not until he returns at least, until then realizing the promised land would be temporary, while the kingdom Jesus offers is eternal now and forever
Once you see the world the way Jesus did, you will know true peace

Makes sense and I guess I really should go over the OT and respect it. At the end of the day I guess I look for simple amswers and simple directions so I focus on the red letters and specifically the sermon on the mount, but existence and creation is not a simple thing. I just need to humble myself before the lord thanks user.

based and homeless-pilled

The Jews in John 10:31-37 were throwing stones at Jesus for committing blasphemy against Yahweh. Consider for a moment that he actually was.

nah you're just a mongoloid. Jesus was both man and God, both the father and the son. Living life as a man allowed God to experience the temptation of sin as man experiences and thus die for our sins.

I'm not denying any of that. I'm only denying that Yahweh is God.

This is fucking retarded.
YAHWEH is the one true God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost is also included in the trinitarian godhead.

None of this verses prove that God of the OT was a different God than the one that sent Christ to earth.

Most of the verses in the Bible prove that Jesus is NOT Yahweh incarnated in the flesh.

If you believe that, you have to believe that it was appropriate to stone adulterers to death until around 30 AD and then after a certain day, it was inappropriate.

Which you have to take on faith, because it doesn't make a lick of sense.

bullshit you satanic cannibal denier none of that shit makes sense that retarded heretic though child murder in the flames, pedo cannibalism and satanic molochism was not deserving after the coming ripe for punishment as God predicted the future as written or the "land consumes itself" quote or the book fo Wisdom were Solomon speaks of luciferian cannibalism going on the sodomy aka pedo and faggotry along with the baby murder the "Canaanites" did.

Fact modern jewry is modern high tech Canaan Talmud Kabbalah with brutal satnic fuck mouthed mishnah Zoharisms...it is heresy and in fact alien 180 of the truth faith the Christ murderers showing their ugly aids infested child fucking cannibal mouths again.

yes, there's catholic, and there's Catholic, and then there's The Roman Catholic Church. Learn nuance.

If he taught salvation by works he's automatic garbage

Civilization raising is in simple 1 2 steps! (old new)
Assuming newborn civilization/human beings mentally/spiritually:
Step 1: GO HERE, DO THIS, GO THERE, DONT DO THAT, OBEY OR DIE CAUSE SRS THERE ARENT MANY OF YOU IF THIS FUCKS UP AT ALL ITLL BE FOR NOTHING GOTTA BE CAREFUL. IF YOU DISOBEY YOU SUFFER WRATH FOR YOU HAVE NO COMPREHENSION OF WHY YOU DISOBEY.

Step 2: "Okay now that you're mentally intelligent enough to actually almost talk to, here's a bunch of water for you, now that you grew a sprout due to the fertilizer. Next time we meet we'll have a real talk."

lol Americans are such insane larping faggots
you in pic

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>prots don’t understand the early Catholic Church and what lead to the great schism and also don’t understand that Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy are both Catholicism just different sects

Galatians 3:13
"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law"

Whose law? Yahweh's law. Yahweh's law was a CURSE according to the New Testament.

Romans 8:2
"For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the LAW of sin and death."

Whose law? Yahweh's law of SIN and DEATH which are of THE DEVIL

Romans 6:23
The Wages of Sin
…But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the fruit you reap leads to holiness, and the outcome is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Luke 6:28 ESV
"Bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you."

>Marcion
>Early church father
>His main point was that the Old Testament God (Yahweh) is NOT God the Father whom Jesus spoke about.
John 8:58
Before Abraham was, I Am

Old Testament prophets appeared before Jesus and spoke with Him at the transfiguration.

Fuck off with this Gnostic shit.

The was no unity of Christian doctrine prior to Emperor Constantine convening the Council of Nicea and imposing unity of doctrine through the state power of the Roman Empire.

Therefore, it makes no sense talking about a "Catholic Church" prior to Constantine, because the early Christian Church was a diversity of doctrines and sects and not a unified church. There WAS no capital C "Catholic Church" prior to 325 AD, and no defined Catholic dogmas either.

Holy fuck another Marcionite, bruh it is hard finding alike thinkers

John 8:32
Then you will KNOW the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

KNOW
translated from the Greek "ginóskó"Word Origin
from a prim. root gnó-
Definition
to come to know, recognize, perceive

true that

this sounds like Gnostic heresy. The OT God who brought Israel out of Egypt, gave Moses the law , watched over Israel as they sojourned 40 years in the desert before stablishing them in the Promised land is God just as Pharaoh said and is the one true and living God with whom Jesus said he was one and who seeing him had seen the father... either you are misreading this teacher or he is a Gnostic heretic.

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Christianity isn't an offshoot of Judaism, but a Greek-made fusion of various religious ideas of the time including elements of Gnosticism, Hellenism, and Zoroastrianism.

It's its own thing, and protestants are even further removed than that.

found the apostate reprobate heretic!

>gave Moses the law
gave Moses the CURSE of the law you mean?

Christ redeemed us from the CURSE of Yahweh's Law (see Galatians 3)

James 3:10
10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

the curse was On us from God the law was given to show us how... it lasted while it did so man would know the cost of rebellion. Man had to endure a time under the Law to know what he had lost in the Fall.

I don't know about any of that.
But just once...just once I would like to read a Bible that hasn't been altered.
Please someone who has translation skills. Please find out if there were places where the words
El
YHWH
Or whatever else the name happens to be
And please put THAT NAME WHERE IT BELONGS
Let us read for ourselves who is who and not all this Adonai and Lord stuff. Please just let us see what it actually says.

based for the first shit poster

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>Protestant genocide when?
i wish a nigga would. Stop acting like you aren't bitch made and just try it .

Is it cool if I just worship some El in here real quick?

The cup was never empty, but filled with air, gaseous fluids. No way Plato could have known that I guess.