So why is it that republicans and conservatives are all about personal responsibility and personal freedom up until a...

Youre all idiots buying in to the dichotomy. There are plenty of ways to prevent and terminate pregnancy without needing abortion.

>strawmanning
Women murder babies when they have an abortion and have largely proven they are both incapable of personal responsibilty and unaccountable in their actions. Denying their ability to have inconsequential sex and avoid motherhood until they are biological wastelands is the natural order of human existence.
Don't want to have kids? Take birth control, or stop fucking. Don't agree? Too bad, you have all the agency of an infant, until you actually embrace what it is to be a woman and accept biological reality.

>personal responsibility and personal freedom up until a woman decides she's not responsible enough to be a mother to a baby that's only a month developed
Because the mother isn't about personal responsibility enough to not put it around, insist a guy wrap his dick, or take birth control

It's a human fetus - it will absolutely be a human if kept alive, so might as well call it a human from the start.

Ok then go do those.

simple.
she isn't God. one person cannot make the choice to end life.
when she "decided" to make a baby she was "making" that choice alone.
she was making that choice with her man, and with God.
therefore, she can't have an abortion based on her feelings.

I understand woman are emotional braps but if you need a better explaining then just watch Game of Thrones finale and it should explain it to you.

she can give her baby for adoption then, not kill it
dumbass

A fetus implies a parent-child relationship, whether it's human or not. it is the result of three actions, the man, the woman, and God.

you are just heathens and I can't fix you but I can pray for you

it can also fail, even if by a particularly small margin.
you've made a fair point so my counter is what if the abortion is with in the first 17 weeks before the fetus even has a heartbeat?
same question as above.
what if the woman got raped.
you're cool.
yes adoption is fine. but also your whole statement of waiting lines being long kind of counteracts that. There are a fuck ton of children stuck in foster care with out parents , you really want to contribute to that mess? and also refer to my point about killing a child. I'm talking early, early "literally just found out I'm pregnant" stages ,first month of pregnancy.

Again. What if Rape. You gonna tell me it's irresponsible to carry a baby that was literally forced on you?

the only one pushing a dichotomy is you.

>there are lines of children stuck in foster care
so its ok to kill them ?

if that mess is a problem, solve that problem, let go think about a more efficient way to deal with that
killing babies dont solve anything

I think it's more important to avoid creating a fetus if you don't want a fetus. There is only ONE way to create it and ONE way to prevent it.

women are just illogical and horny. also they are murderers and A-OK with it. I'm not OK with it.

Low IQ.
Abortion isnt the only means of solving unwanted pregnancy.

If you're gonna have sexual intercourse you have to prepare for the consequences. Don't you dare mention exceptions to the rule by using rape. You and I both know it's stupid to apply to the whole that which only happens to a few.

>responsible enough to have sex
>not responsible enough for the consequences
so what did we learn here
op?

Take responsibility and carry the baby to term then offer it for adoption. There is a huge waiting list of good parents that want a baby and very little supply of babies to be adopted.

In before some faggot thinks the 15 year old Jeromes in foster care because mommy went to jail are the same thing.

We either operate under the assumption that women are responsible, and act accordingly, or we operate under the assumption that theyre not, and act accordingly.
Just pick a hole.

But exceptions exist. A woman gets raped. A woman fucks up her birth control cycle. It's also stupid to make the assumption all woman wanting an abortion were thoughtlessly having sex with out thinking of what could happen

niggers tongue my anus, though

>it can also fail, even if by a particularly small margin.
Okay, so give it up for adoption or just don't have sex, the latter option preventing 99% of possible instances where abortion is desired.

What is so important about having an orgasm that you just can't be celibate, not even to avoid killing an infant in the womb?

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>you've made a fair point so my counter is what if the abortion is with in the first 17 weeks before the fetus even has a heartbeat?
Same argument, if she isn't responsible enough to be a mother how is she responsible enough to decide who gets to be classified as a human being and who doesn't?

>rape
is the only ok case
>woman fucks up her birth control
her fault, deal with the consequences
next time pay more attention to something so important with big consequences

all woman wanting abortions for reasons other than rape are indeed thoughtless bitches only wanting to have sex without consequences

And in response, who truly is even capable of deciding who gets to be classified as human

okay but what about the event the birth control fails with out her having been aware of such?

Women should have no rights

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Then she shouldn't be fucking if she isn't ready to be a parent. Things fail. Its the risk you take. I'm glad you at least stopped trying to push the

>What is so important about having an orgasm

are women actually strong enough to masturbate? I notice many have poor muscle tone

I'm at least glad you're willing to accept rape as an exception.
That said I'm not entirely sold that it's fair to force a woman to carry a baby to term if her only fault is investing in shit contraceptives

You think if you left the feutus to develop it would be born a toaster or something?

Abstain from ejaculation

Fortunately they live in the world of the vibrator and the detachable shower head, so they don't even need arm strength.

Its simple. You take a chance when you do anything. Those risks are your responsibility. You can't justify murder with not wanting to be being inconvenienced for 9 months before you give the baby away to a loving family that would pay you for it.

sue the kike farmaceutical then
still not a reason to kill a baby

>until a woman decides she's not responsible enough to be a mother to a baby that's only a month developed? Legit question.
If she's not responsible enough to be a mother, she's not responsible enough to be a wife. Which means she's not responsible enough to have sex in the first place.

but if you really think about it, Im 100% in favor of abortions
whoever is dumb enough to go do one, would be a shit parent anyways
and shit genetics as well

the last thing this world needs is those retarded hollywood liberals having more kids
let them all abort as much as they want

is it possible to ask a stupider question?

Not according to most biologists and philosophers. Name a single incident of a person remembering their time inside the uterus (philosophy). Or you can read some textbooks from Universities with as little religious bias as possible and discover brain development happens in cycles, some even comparable in early stages to things you eat for dinner. For instance, a fetus at 6 weeks (wherein a heartbeat can be detected) has the faculties of an ocean shrimp once you take a survey of their holistic physical capabilities. It's an intelligent question that's highly debated unless you're approaching the topic from an emotional standpoint.

Also, I should have caught and corrected you on this initially--- the word "stupider" doesn't exist in the dictionary. Jesus Christ, I can't believe I typed out a legitimate and thoughtful response to somebody who can't abide fundamental grammar rules.

No woman needs a fully automatic abortion machine.

People can't remember anything from the age of 3 once they are 7 years old. There are some exceptions where some children can remember as early as 2 but they are the exception (kinda like rape is for you murders) Does that mean we can execute children up to the age of 3?

It fails if they forget to take it. Probably 90% of women who claim they were on the pill either lied or forgot to take it. Or they intentionally didn’t take it to get pregnant. If you take it like it’s prescribed you have like a 99% chance of 0 pregnancy.

I'd posit once a baby is born there's no party on the face of the planet who's for its execution except warmongers and the criminally negligent. That stated, you're responding to a single prong of a two-prong argument. Pre-cognicion is a state in fetal development, and considering the possibility the baby will be born into a sub-standard chance at happiness it's basic math figuring out whether aborting it or forcing its birth causes more suffering. You want a handful of years starving in an unprepared household or a month of hallucinogenic semi-existence terminated without complaint?

Also, if you are going to use brain function as a metric... Your brain isn't fully developed until you are 25. So we could kill you until the age of 25 since you are not fully developed.

>I'd postit
Didn't you just shit talk someone for their writing?

We're talking about a brain before it can respond to stimuli. The fully crystallized adult-brain model is a whole different topic.

posit... okay. fail me

>women
>responsible

What's your deal? Just google the words "posit definition", read what is says.

Is “stop being a whore” really so much to ask?

>substandard living
>starving
>happiness
Adoption solves all of these issues

Strawman garbage. Married couple who can afford exactly 2 kids have sex with a condom. Due to a factory error or external conditions that occurred during shipping the condom is defective. The couple needs to have the abortion otherwise the whole household is fucked. Think on those terms. Not every abortion patient is a cumslut.

Some sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States — which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption.

Birth control is 99.9% effective if taken correctly. Again, direct consequences for your actions. These things should not be determined based on outliers like birth control failing that .1% of the time or conceptions through rape.

Its not a fully developed human, but killing it is still murder.

There's a 9 month process a person goes through carrying a baby that carries complications.
- Is the person medically fit to have a baby or will it kill them during birth
- Can the person afford to lose their job, should that occupation fire them for getting pregnant
- What's the infant mortality rate in that state like
It's a whole tomato that's nowhere near as simple as people on this board make it seem.

Did I have an egg or chicken for breakfast?

Exactly. The murders want to use the exception for every rule. Double or triple up if you aren't ready to have a baby. IUD + condom + the shot. If you have another baby, play the lottery and put the kid up for adoption.

Yes. 'Fetus' is simply a stage of development in mammals. It doesn't make it a separate species or being. Saying "a human fetus isn't a person, its a fetus and a clump of cells." Is as stupid as saying, "an infant isn't a person, its an infant and can't comprehend existence."

from the way you post you probably had both, a cock and eggs

>Personal responsibility
>Gets pregnant

You realize how women become pregnant right?

>9 month process
you knew that when you spread your legs... All things have risk.
>Firing a pregnant woman
Well she never has to work again because she just sued the shit out of her employer (seriously doesn't happen)
>infant mortality
its 100% if you kill them fag

>"Then fucking sack up and take some God damn responsibility and have the fucking kid. The whole world isn't coming down because you're having 3 kids now instead of 2 you narcissistic piece of human waste. The world doesn't bend to your will and your desires, now stop trying to play God and accept the consequences being intentional or non intentional. Accidents happen you literal children."
Is exactly what I would say to this couple.

If I crush an eagle egg is it an eagle?
fws.gov/midwest/eagle/protect/laws.html

So you're saying if a woman has to choose between dying due to medical complications from child birth, and getting an abortion than you'd rather a motherless child be brought in to the world? or worse, the child and mother dying?

Yikes. Got a fresh off the presses cock joke from a genius over here. Check it out everybody, genius boy made a cock joke.
>risk
Implying there are no situations where somebody's impregnated while taking steps to prevent it. So everybody who dies in battle even after they've armed themselves, gone through training, and taken precautionary measures deserves to be demeaned for failing at something as fundamental as luck?
>Pregnant people don't get fired and they win lawsuits when they do
How old are you and how long have you been keeping up with our country's Right To Work laws?
>infant mortality
Still doesn't mean most people want to have a stillbirth just because they got knocked up by some random who kept his condom in a hot car too long.

Raising kids costs money, you literal child. Children deserve to be happy and properly taken care of, you fuckin' weirdo.

Seriously, you can have abortion if I can crush all raptor eggs and make them all extinct so my chickens can free range.

I'm saying that if you can't safely carry a child its time for you to stop having sex.
I'm also saying stop using exceptions to support murder its like saying we execute some criminals so we should execute all criminals. Better put that joint away. Also use a real flag faggot, no one takes you seriously.

"Children deserve to be happy and properly taken care of."
By what standard? Yeah sure maybe having 3 will take them out of the "white picket fence" American middle class dream. But if a parent is working and they're married and consciously had 2 children I highly doubt a third is going to drag them into abject poverty. Also being poor doesn't mean they shouldn't live.

Why would you crush an eagle egg when the eagles take care of their young without the economic and psychological complications humans face? It's a different species, an endangered one at that. I'm sure if the Eagles wanted abortions those massive birds would figure the issue out themselves.

Adoption doesn't, you literal child.

>I'm saying that if you can't safely carry a child its time for you to stop having sex.
and what about the instances where a woman isn't aware of the physical risks until she's already pregnant?

a simple cock joke rustled your jimmies huh
who would have thought

Freedom is about being about to do risky things like having sex knowing you don’t want a child. Personal responsibility is caring for the child from an unplanned pregnancy when your birth control fails.

You keep spamming this as if repetition will somehow make your argument valid. It’s not. Abortion is murder for convenience and violates the child’s right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

>exception
>exception
>exception

how about this. you kill all babies from rape, incest, and where the mother will have a greater than 50% chance to die if the baby is allowed to live.
You have to ban all other abortions.
Deal? I'm thinking not because you're like every other murder trying to justify it with exceptions.

Do you have a dick? I have a dick. Fill me in on the subject, are you equipped with a dick between your legs?

ignoring the blatant stupidity of the metaphor, the eagle isn't voluntarily aborting its egg, you are forcibly destroying it. the argument is about voluntary abortions, not the right to perform involuntary abortions on who ever you like.
eagles throw weak and sick hatchlings and damaged eggs out of their nests all their time, they are not charged with bird murder as 1. its a fucking animal and 2. its voluntarily eliminating its egg.

Are you advocating for children to be subjected to poverty because of broken condoms?

If you’re a pregnant worker, two federal laws protect your workplace rights. The first law is the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978, which is an amendment to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Under the Pregnancy Discrimination Act (PDA), your employer cannot discriminate against you in the terms of your employment on the basis of pregnancy, childbirth, or related conditions. The second law is the Family and Medical Leave Act. Under the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA), larger employers must provide unpaid leave for certain family and medical reasons, including pregnancy and bonding with a new child.

Your only response to adoption being a perfectly viable solution was asking me about my dick. How about a real one.
You lost the argument.

1. Poverty is the better alternative to not existing at all, yes.
2. Again, in this fictional scenario I doubt that said married couple who had 2 planned children will all of the sudden become financially stricken into abject poverty due to one more kid. Sure it'll put strain on things but oh well, consume less then, be frugal. Life doesn't go as planned.

Thank you for the work it took to type that. Like serious thanks extended in your direction user, I'm happy to be conversing with somebody who gives a shit. From a legal standpoint here are a couple problems I'd like to put under a microscope.
PDA: Does this override current Right To Work laws? The language in those contracts suggests usually that the employer can fire you for any reason at any time as long as the stated cause isn't your race/religion/pregnancy/etc. For example, they could say you're not getting along with the team. Then what if the person fired can't afford a proper attorney.
FLMA: What makes an employer a "large" employer?
Just ironing out the weeds man. No offense meant here. Another thank you just for good measure.

This.

People should abstain from sex until marriage, that would solve all the problems here.

>My dick
Thanks for answering, so you have a penis. Don't you think it's a little bit shortsighted insisting the sacrifice of parsimony early term abortions supply when you're incapable of existentially ever having to deal with the consequences of pregnancy?

Jesus Christ who told the Catholics that Jow Forums exists?

>Poverty is better than never having existed
Holy shit, have you experienced poverty? It sounds like you haven't. If you have, what in God's fucking universe are you doing saying it's better than never existing at all?
>Sure it'll put a strain on things
People can afford a finite amount of cars, houses, pets, etc. They can only afford a finite amount of kids. Accidents happen, what's the big deal? Terminate the thing before it kicks and nobody's the wiser.

>right to work
Yes... Just like you can't fire someone for being black...
>FMLA
fucken google it

I have children. I take care of them. You have a dick so your opinion means nothing as well by your metric.

Wait you do know what Right To Work laws and their contractual implications entail, right? You CAN fire somebody for something as simple as "not being a team player". It might be because they're black, or pregnant, or gay, but you just tell the government "they were an at-will employee as per contract, and I fired them because they didn't refill the stapler enough".