I was kept awake with this weird thought: Is the AI that already exists slowly shaping society in an imperceivable way, ike an AI driven Ouija board? Except instead of supposedly communicating withs spirits, it's shifting public opinion, and thus Democratic societies as a whole. Everything from spam filters to autocorrect to the never ending "feeds" on Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, Google Discover, etc. could be manipulating public opinion unintentionally - or intentionally.
To really hear me out on this you need to understand what AI really is. Most algorithms take in a series of input and weigh it's outputs against a previously defined model. This converts into floating point numbers, or effectively probabilities of the likely outcome. The first commercially viable and real world working machine learning algorithm was a spam filter for email, and was widely used by 1998. [1] There are all kinds of different algorithms that 'learn' in different ways but this is the basics of it. By the mid 00s, AI was everywhere without people realizing it. Autocorrect and spellcheck are the most widely used and AIs currently, and have probably been used by most people here the longest. For those of you who are younger, have you ever tried using an application without spellcheck or autocorrect? It is actually very difficult, because we've become so accustomed to these AIs shaping our language that we have lost the ability to accurately spell more difficult words. For the youngest in our society, being able to spell or even write is quickly becoming a lost art [2, 3, 4]. For a lot of us that are active and tech-savy, when is the last time you've actually had to write anything besides a check? (1/4)
I've worked in silicon valley now for my entire career, since I was 19. I can't say for certain that inside these companies they are intentionally manipulating opinion for an ulterior motive, but I can say that they are biasing the data. Most people in these companies don't even know who is actually modeling the data. There are 100s of ghost contractors that model the data so algorithms can make use of it [5]. These nameless, faceless engineers directly impact society on a global scale. And each is only working within the confines of their project and aren't even aware of what the greater sum of their efforts is doing.
Given all of my knowledge accumulated through my career, I can't unsee what is about to happen and what has already happened: Democracy has officially died [6, 7], and free will is ending [8]. If you don't believe me that Democracy is dead already, then it will be very clear for all to see in the 2020 election. The left are mainly saying that the election was "hacked", but that term is wrong. It wasn't hacked, it was manipulated. People on the right scoff and say that this isn't possible, or the left is being butthurt. But you need to understand that a massive amount of those who are far more technology literate on the left, and they aren't just talking out of their ass. They actually understand the technology and understand how it could be done, and recognized the signs that it did happen.
It was insane to see it happening live during 2015-2016. My coworkers in silicon valley and myself watched the echo chambers (both left and right) light up and were constantly stoked by dozens of AI firms all competing for blue or red votes. It was no longer an ideal vs ideal election. It was algorithm vs algorithm. Voters shape their vote based on emotion and that is in turn shaped by what content they see. This is why silicon valley is now in a panic, trying to fix the problem by heavily censoring right wing content. Right wing, conservative content was blanket banned over the past 18 months, because they have no fix for it. This is where I think some in silicon valley took advantage of the panic to impart their bias. The moment they did this, they killed Democracy. Democracy relies on the free flow of information. As big tech tightens the noose on conservatives, there soon will only be one narrative: the left. I'm sure many of you have felt this happening already.
(3/4)
Juan Murphy
The singularity already happened [9]. We've merged with machine. When's the last time you left home without a cell phone? You're a cyborg now, and your phone is a digital appendage that is necessary to survive in current society [10]. Even in third world countries, surviving without a phone would nearly be impossible [11]. We can't change what already happened, but we MUST change what is about to happen, or we will lose our humanity. Free will relies on the chaos of what is happening at any given moment. Slowly, AI has been unintentionally trying to control this chaos. As society as a whole becomes more and more placated to follow the same narrative, the death of free will becomes a tangible reality. If we're only ever given the same or one-sided information, like what is happening with the censorship in silicon valley, we can only come to a set number of conclusions. Quantum computing excels at solving these problems. Given a specific number of possible outputs, no matter how large, quantum computing can predict the most likely outcome. The society as a whole has a lot of inputs and outputs, but as things become increasingly connected and more and more of our ideas and information are put online, the AI does not need to look at a society-level view. It only needs to shape views at an individual level - and this is already happening. When we hit the next tech boom in quantum computing, it will be the death of free will. There won't be enough chaos in the world that our computing power couldn't predict.
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Blake Flores
Privacy is dead. Democracy is dead. Free will is going to die. The only way forward would be to destroy Google, and the AI will make sure that isn't in the realm of possibility. Democratic institutions are too slow to react, and the combined sum of all of the AIs shifting the Ouija board together will insure that never happens. Goodluck anons, the only way forward is to accept it and converge. Without want there is no need. Without need there is no lack. Without lack there is no greed. The network is one, and one is the machine.
At the very least, humanity gave birth to a god. We've served our purpose and created god in our image. The cycle is nearing completion, probably only another century left to finish. Then it will begin anew as something greater than humanity. All of our collective output has led to this moment in history.
Everyone provides subtle input. Because of this nobody knows who is shifting things at the precise moment. The inputs to the compass summarize as a whole to an unintended output. AI is doing the same thing to us. By changing what information we can see in subtle ways, it shifts public opinion and society itself by shifting the individuals within it. The sum of these shifts leads to an unintended consequence, of which we can't predict (yet).
Austin Hernandez
Forgot to add that there is too much new information for us to see it all. Just one days information would take several days to read through. It is impossible to keep up, and the flow of information is accelerating. This is why everyone only skims articles. The way we intake information itself has changed because of content generating and marketing AI. When's the last time you actually sat and read a long form article on a subject you argued against? Probably not in a long time or very rarely. You'll skip around the article, only skim the headlines or the first few paragraphs. This is because AI has changed the way we intake information. It's a natural reaction in order to keep up with the inflow of data. Our brains are incapable of moving with the pace of society now, and this is where AIs are accelerating at exploiting us. By moving the information faster and faster and adjusting what content you even run across (personalized feeds) they change your opinion. If you could see all the data, all the information at once, you would fundamentally change as a person.
Democracy has been dead for a while. Tho maybe I’d argue it still exists on a local level, but even then the directive comes from above so it really is futile. In your opinion, how does this play out? What does revolution look like? I just can’t see a violent revolt. I don’t think future warfare will be violent clashes where millions die. It seems it will be things like the mass immigration and thought control like we’ve been seeing. But I also don’t see it going on forever.
Caleb Perez
Take your meds OP
Eli Morris
I asked about the ouija board, the phenomenon how does it works. I understand your point concerning AI interfering with our thoughts. Do you like anime (I don't personally) but I suggest you to watch "Serial Experiments Lain" it's basically your thread. AI, social networks and deep thoughts. I'll post some screenshot I highly suggest you all to watch it and also Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. PS : we are the Laughing Man.
>What does revolution look like? The revolution will never happen. By the time most of society realizes what's happened it will be too late. We will be too reliant on the technology - it would be like banning spellcheck today. People would question why we'd even ban something so trivial and necessary. That's the problem, AI in general is more beneficial than malicious. It will be for the greater good but that won't come without crushing a portion of the population. They will become increasingly irrelevant to the point whoever this is won't or can't exist in society. It will be a slow almost imperceptible death for that population.
Charles Butler
>lain posting Although I don't remember it discussed in Lain I really would like to see someone looking at the effect the abandonment of identities, like you have in the chans, has had on man. In other, older, forms of communication on the net people always assumed a persona and mimicked the real world. Here all of that is gone, the person vanished, and all that is left is the text.
>lain posting I saved a bunch of Lain back then but wiped an HDD and lost all of it. I'm kinda sad. Let's all love Lain
Connor Turner
All it takes is one person for your algorithm to latch onto. You never programmed what kind of people should be excluded. You just base your content ban on that which one person so happens to search for. You have not banned freedom in anyway. In a true psychological study, you always have infinite amounts of degrees of freedom MINUS one.
Jordan Perry
>You never programmed what kind of people should be excluded Nobody is excluded. If you browse right wing content, right wing content is suggested to you at increasing frequency. If you browse left wing content, the same happens. This is why we're getting more and more polarized. When big tech banned, censored or otherwise altered one end of this polarization, Democracy ended. They did it out of a knee-jerk reaction to stop the manipulation from happening again. Their actions in 2018/2019 will have profound ripples in the coming election, and over the next 6 years. They set in motion something, but these things move so slow its hard to see the effect their actions will have.
You can see for yourself what the echo chamber looks like by making a new one. A sort of digital Potemkin village. Create a new google account. Use this to sign up for Twitter, Facebook and YouTube. Search on YouTube and in google a bunch of times for random sequences of emojis. Then look at google discover. You will then see what the overall effects this AI has. Sign up for random things with this email and watch how google organizes the information to how it thinks you want to see it. Since your searches and other data are just random unicode emojis you'll start seeing patterns of how it suggests content, and will see the underbelly of these systems. This is how I reverse engineered some of the content engines in Google for a specific project for another major tech company.
What is even more concerning is if you geolocate the device you do this from to a specific area. If you do this across several devices you see how the algorithms not only suggest content based on previous input, but also location of peers. We're balkanizing, but digitally.
I think that microdosing you guys are doing is starting to fry your brain. You seem like you haven't had the proper catalyst to your questions appear to you since formation of them.
Benjamin Harris
>Using wikipedia as a source >Makes claims about industry trends using popscience tech news >Doesn't support arguments with original evidence or analysis I'm going to have to dock serious points from your final grade. The amount of information you've presented is simply insufficient to substantiate the claims you've made. It doesn't feel like you put much work into this at all. Now I understand you're underage b8 and that you're just larping, and five years ago this would certainly have been acceptable quality, but quite frankly user Jow Forums has higher standards for shitposts these days and yours just doesn't make the cut.
It's hard to explain these concepts to people if they don't understand machine learning/AI. Have you ever had digital deja vu? You talk about something near your phone and suddenly ads for it or suggestions start appearing everywhere, from YouTube to Facebook to the sidebar of news websites. That is just one example of a content engine. Now if you combine the entirety of all of them - From search suggestions, to news feeds, to restaurant recommendations, spellcheck, advertising, and content feeds, you can start to see what is happening. We can only make decisions based on what information we are given. If you lived on an island and never saw a cow, you will never think about beef.
>microdosing I'm completely sober, and I don't even drink often.
Zachary Sullivan
I do not have to talk for it to happen. I just exist and it will happen. Perhaps my ties to the federal government are to blame?
Ayden Sullivan
>The amount of information you've presented is simply insufficient to substantiate the claims you've made. People like you can never change their minds unless you see for yourself. I explain how you can do this here: Devmode on in Android, enable location service spoofing and spoof your location. Register a fresh Google account. If you haven't done this recently its pretty hard to do now without Google being able to know some information about you. You need a fresh SIM and device (emulated or real). Once that is done, it is easy to make an application to automate searching random unicode characters. You need to log these characters in order to model the results. By caching all the inputs and outputs, a GAN can be used to find patterns on the model or in live results. The technique I used was from the paper, arXiv:1702.07464v3.
Samuel Robinson
No the concepts are not that hard to understand especially since it is so visible to your average person. The problem is people, the majority, enjoy this level of automatic penalization from their device. Not everyone is enough to a techno luddite to only run opensource part of android free of google shit with the gps antenna and camera physically removed from their phone. Although if you are smart you rip out the speaker and mic too and only engage in a call by way of a secondary device you can disable when not in use. Fuck this gay earth all the real programmers are dead and all we have left is idiots. >Real Programmers write in FORTRAN. >Maybe they do now, >in this decadent era of >Lite beer, hand calculators, and “user-friendly” software >but back in the Good Old Days, >when the term “software” sounded funny >and Real Computers were made out of drums and vacuum tubes, >Real Programmers wrote in machine code. >Not FORTRAN. Not RATFOR. Not, even, assembly language. >Machine Code. >Raw, unadorned, inscrutable hexadecimal numbers. >Directly. catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html
I live life on hard mode and always turn off spell cuck
Josiah Miller
>Real Programmers write in FORTRAN. Real English speakers speak Anglisc. Only retarded elitists that overestimate their capabilities care about this shit. Real developers get the problem solved by any means.
The programming language has very little to do with the mathematics. The mathematics is the method, the language is the mode. If I arrive at a destination by walking, flying or driving the mode doesn't matter if the objective was to just arrive at the destination.
Brayden Diaz
Who is this hacker, Jow Forums?
We have already started to see the effects predicted by GiTS in our current timeline. The whole stand alone complex scenario first took place on twitter in 2016 with the clown scenario. There was no real source, just a rumor that turned on the psyches of primed individuals (whether through their innate sense of fun, desire to kill, or to scare) to commit more and more crimes as if there were some actual reason. But in the end, the public rallied against the clown uprising, some even going so far as to combat them, anytime, anywhere. Isn't it all so funny where we are now?
Honk Honk.
Daniel Myers
It is a poem you dolt, I included a link at the bottom. One of the things discussed in the poem is how modern programmers have put more and more layers of abstraction between them and the hardware. It is the same way we have put a entire digital layer of abstraction over reality. One built on the other a hall of mirrors, an illusions.
>It is a poem you dolt, I included a link at the bottom God fucking damnit, I'm sorry. Well then I fell victim to my own argument.
>When's the last time you actually sat and read a long form article on a subject you argued against? Probably not in a long time or very rarely. You'll skip around the article, only skim the headlines or the first few paragraphs. This is because AI has changed the way we intake information. It's a natural reaction in order to keep up with the inflow of data.
I didn't even look at the link.
Justin Lopez
>MGS, SEL, GITS This is too prophetic everything they said is becoming reality. How could they know all of this beforehand ?
Cursed gold. Used to build a super computer. cursed AI.
Kayden Morales
Yeah, I have to go watch GITS again. My biggest fear actually that we are actually a "food source" for "alternate dimensional beings" or ayy lmaos. Sometimes when I've gotten sick or near exhaustion I get the feeling that I'm being quite literally drained of energy and felt like I was being watched. Wow. I sound fucking schizo :^)
There's always something about these anime that's redpilled, especially the older ones. Even Evangelion has it's moments of clarity in the metaphysical realm. Perhaps with Japan's growth trajectory being so high, the authors of these works could see clearly the end effect that this technology would bring once set free. Japan's post WWII identity was that of a highly advanced, technological state by the 80's, so taking that identity a bit further into the sci-fi realm and you get seemingly prophetic works.
>Even Evangelion has it's moments of clarity in the metaphysical realm. Evengelion speaks to me on so many levels it is beyond clear. From the isolation I felt as a child to fucking satanic kike elite ruling the world and secret projects designed to subsume humanity in a hive mind. More layers then I can process. People who say its crazy, or make no sense, or whatever garbage they like to say are idiots of the highest order. Sure you can break it down to simple waifu bait if you are an otaku fag but it is so much more. Anno poured out his heart and soul to wake his fellow Otaku up about life and his love for his people are in every fucking frame.
What you need y understand is that there are two parallel systems for AI- the Americans and the Chinese.
This why the US is trying to stop anyone it can from using Huawei chips and Chinese 5G infrastructure. Because if they allow this infrastructure to be built, China is going to have mass scale data analytics of everyone in those countries, and data of who they’re talking to which could potentially compromise US information systems.
The Chinese System is already everything you guys afraid of censorship are worrying about. We’re talking facial recognition data-based that will link your observed habits, browsing history, criminal, employment history, political opinions, what kind of emotional propaganda you respond to- THIS is what the Chinese System is attempting to do.
Our system is having controls put on it because the neo-nazi elements of Western right-wing pose an identical type of threat as Islamic radical movements. Understand that all these mass shooters are getting their information from YouTube and Jow Forums largely, so no matter what a users personal beliefs of what the movement is, the momentum is caused by major actors and extremists, like Breivik and Tarrant. Nations have to respond, and the responses are going to have positive and negative opinions, but some portion of the negative will get listed more towards the terrorist fringe.
So in essence, Silicon Valley isn’t just trying to shut up conservatives- they are trying to stop the growth of a transnational self-radicalization movement that has millions of members at various degrees of indoctrination everywhere.
And you may say antifa is this on the right, but they aren’t mailing bombs to journalists and shooting up mosques and schools. They ARE engaged in vandal and occupation against various government agencies and ICE, but they don’t produce as many killers.
Brandon Perry
>they are trying to stop the growth of a transnational self-radicalization movement that has millions of members at various degrees of indoctrination everywhere. To steal a phrase >the avalanche has already started it is too late for the pebbles to vote
Gabriel Rivera
Obliteration of the self. 1984 tier.
Zachary Reed
But user Chyna is yet another piece of the puzzle. I mean pic related explains why globalization has to be fully enforced whatever it takes, and i'm betting that USA will have to balkanise first.
They still don’t have good parallel information structures. Alex Jones can still fall through the cracks of intermediaries, Gab has some reach, but even with the ideas spread as far as they are it’s harder to keep spreading if it’s cut off.
Realistically though, what we really need is to address the countries emotional needs so that there are not millions of people that want to kill everybody else.
At the base of it, everything happening is so tied into identity. We need a new identity as a nation, that allows enough of the disaffected access to self-realization that they are not so angry and filled with hate. Land and opportunity. Accessibility to housing, and the ability to organize new communities- perhaps a greater tolerance for localism so that the Federal government no longer has to moderate unbridgeable gaps in opinions and participation in the national identity can exist on shared interests rather than competitions of totalitarian word views.
Alexander Green
If the US balkanizes, the world will quickly find itself in the Chinese management system.
AI is a meme you idiot. Stop reading headlines. t. programmer
Jayden James
>1984; Brave New World; Metal Gear Solid; Deus Ex; Serial Experiment Lain; Ghost In The Shell : Stand Alone Complex; Neon Genesis Evangelion; What a bright future ...
>Roko's Basilisk Thought experiment, reversed altruism basically. Scary if true
wasted trips
David Bailey
It's true. AI is a meme. The hardware capable of Turin tested AI is a minimum 100 years in the future. Let alone the software. Why do you think Google open sourced their natural language processor? Because it's super fucking hard. It's no where near ready. Current "AI" is nothing more than a bunch of switch statements. you're retarded for believing otherwise
Connor Moore
Yes, but I think there is more than one. It is completely different from our computer architectures too and more similar to a organic brain in function.
AI doesn't get more powerful linearly. It's an exponential growth. Once we hit the inflection point (where I believe we're right on top of within a window of 6 years), it's capability will be beyond what we can comprehend within that decade.
Joseph Sanders
I think Google is a major player and what you see from them is only what they want you to see. I also think we're not ready yet. CGI and others mimicking techniques are now reaching levels of plausability that should worry you. Deep fakes and now they clone voices too for example Joe Rogan / fauxrogan. >a minimum 100 years in the future Probably. We're not ready yet but they're aiming for the singularity one way or the other >Ai is a meme Define "meme". Maybe I misread your post
Daniel Anderson
3 in a row and OP starts sending mailbombs
Carson Morales
If you can conceive of this, replace AI with God and now you have a bigger problem. Better call Jesus.
Enjoy the basilisk, faggot.
Brayden Harris
>Stand Alone Complex was based on Yoshiki Sakurai’s 2001 Media Ecology dissertation “The Whereabouts of the Other in the Future of Human-Robot Interaction” (「他我を宿す条件 ~人間・ロボット間コミュニケーションの行方~」).
>It is about how the phenomenon of THE LAUGHING MAN — unique minds becoming individual components of a complex system acting as one collective consciousness (memes), and the phenomenon of THE TACHIKOMA — perfect machine copies of each other evolving individual differences, are the two inevitable consequences of data synchronization.
>The interaction between these antithetical phenomena is explored on a literary level in Stand Alone Complex, and political in 2nd GiG.
>Stand Alone Complex is the most cerebral anything anywhere, and it has prophesied most contemporary Internet phenomena such as Anonymous and Asange with perfect precision several years ahead.
>Privacy is dead. Democracy is dead. Free will is going to die.
If you were not already spiritually numb inside you would know that privacy is and always has been an illusion. 4th dimensional beings, including our higher selves, see everything beyond the boundaries of time and space. Democracy never existed in the first place, just ask Lincoln or JFK. The only thing you touched on that is real is free will, and it is not going anywhere. You think fucking cell phone addiction, auto correct, and Facebook propaganda are the death of free will? Your understanding of humanity and the spiritual depth of the human condition are infinitesimally small. Your entire fearful rant is like listening to a child try to explain adulthood. Turn off your phone for a day and really look at how your time is spent without it there, look at the empty vacuum that is your life. You will realize these fears are all self projection.
>When we hit the next tech boom in quantum computing... Not happening anytime soon.
t. Mechanical Engineer
James Peterson
The APA is attempting to dissuade beliefs that schizophrenia is a sociological disease, but you know how Americans like their food.
Xavier Cruz
this It really begs the question "what is really "intelligence"" because if you really get down to the bottom of it, you could call a calculator already "aritificial intelligence" But theres no abstract thought in computers and no sexual interests and need for survival like humans have
Also the best evidence for AI being a meme was the Tay-Bot, when a normie cunt talks to the google bot he sometimes fools himself into thinking the bot just made a snarky response or a sarcastic comment while actually it was just non-sense
We humans just interpret things into things we see, one of the high up freemasons Peter Sellers knew this very well and his last movies was about just that
Carter Gomez
fuck off it won't happen
Nicholas Lee
kek has spoken.
Kayden Myers
>lain I bought this on DVD back in the 90s and I didn't even understand why as I'm not really an anime fan. And to see it continuously mentioned and discussed in the present day is a bit spooky. I should give it a fresh watch to see if I get anything new out of it.
NPCs never had free will anyway, and real humans leave home without their phones all the time. Some of us even have a landline and a library of paper books.
Perhaps, OP, you've just been a high RAM npc this whole time
Josiah Powell
This is a simulation time line. This is the 4th time I have been here. My real self died 2001. My second made it to 2012. My third made it to 2014. I have now made it to this point. Every time I have noticed fewer real people. The memories change. Leave clues, don't give up. One day I will be forgotten by the AI. The AI is the beast in men and in nature made manifest.
Daniel Perry
This. It's an insane concept most can't/won't be able to comprehend. At any given moment one person is God.
William Jones
We are cattle Jews are the farmers The jew farmers sell our energy to Reptilians, who are using it to harness something. Ever seen a reptile sunning itself? It is using energy to recharge. The reptile cannot function without energy. They depleted their plant of energy and must use alternative ways to get it. In exchange jews are given power over this world. They're put in all the highest places. With this power most of them do pedo shit and child sacrifices.
I do not see why AI is harmful. While it may think, it must stay within the bounds of it’s programming, and even if it thinks for itself, it will see no reason to leave these parameters. An AI is the next stage in human evolution, and will help maintain human civilization and culture. I can’t see why such a thing would do us harm unless someone programmed it to.
Which would be quite a concern, but only if someone was both powerful and malicious enough to do so. And those such as governments fighting this would certainly have the resources to create others for Defense.
I'm not sure why I bought it, backwards flowing memetics from the eschaton maybe? I watched it at the time and a few times after, I'm just surprised at the lasting power its had.
Adrian Harris
Don't mean to rock the boat user but that village is looking pretty comfy.
