Chose only one:

The US was barely a supplier when it mattered. They ramped up production and exportation at a time well after the war was decided. Germany was doomed from that point on, lend lease or not.

nice argument you fanfiction reading subhuman

>Defending against the Soviets in 45 would have been far harder and probably a much worse loss given any defence mounted would put German civilians in range of attack far sooner and for far longer.
>Atomic theory was impossible due to incorrect calculations, or so I've heard.
>Focusing more on planes maybe, however I think they would've gotten better results had they done the same as they did, but researching jet bombers rather than jet fighters.
>Kriegsmarine was never going to rival the RN in tonnage after Versailles, perhaps Luftwaffe supremacy would've evened things out, but as it were, they were planning to invade with barges.
>Not allying with Italy would be a colossal mistake. I think they should have stayed allied with Italy but convinced Italy to stay out of the war in exchange for lands at the end. Put a base of production in Italy so that it is immune from bombing and convince Italy to temporarily abandon its colonies for the time being, maybe get them Greece to convince them.
>Not declaring war on the USA wasn't an option, Jewsevelt would've kept looking for a way in until he got one.

All arguments were already made.
Now we insult you until you capitulate.
Begon abomination.

you didn't make any arguments you inbred dickless piece of rotten shit. and if you think insulting me is gonna me go away you are even more retarded than the average neo-nazi

>>Not declared war on the Soviets and just defended occupied Poland if attacked.

It is now well known that the Soviets had plans to invade Germany.

In fact, Nazi Germany was financed by the Soviets as a kind of icebreaker so that they could invade an already destroyed and unresisting Europe. It is well documented.

Thanks for a real reply. Good points.
As far as defending I mean no operation barbarosa simply do a wall style thing on the east.

>Not declared war on the Soviets and just defended occupied Poland if attacked.
No, then the Soviets would have taken the iron and wood in Scandinavia and the oil in Romania, as they planned. Instant loss for Germany (3 months or so) with no strategic war resources.
The Soviets had already attacked Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Northern Romania and were demanding all of Finland, all of Romania, Denmark, Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Bulgaria before the attack on USSR in 1941 by the Axis.

>Built up a navy that could take on England and allow for operation Sea Lion to take place.
They did. But some retard made torpedoes that didn't work after being submerged. England would have lost half their navy during Operation Weserübung if the submarine torpedoes hadn't been duds.

>Focused less on tanks and more on planes. Chiefly not getting panthers and tigers and getting more jets and or radar.
Wouldn't have mattered what they did at this stage of the war, momentum was already lost.

>Focused on Atomic theory insetead of rockets.(V2/4)
This could have worked. Despite the propaganda, they never tried developing nuclear energy to weaponize, just for energy. But this was for ideological reasons - they never used chemicals or bacteriological weapons because of the Geneva treaty and the belief that civilians and cities should if possible be kept out of harm. Churchill forced them to swap tactics during the war, but never was chems or bacterials used.

>Not allied with Italy or not helped them in north africa.
No

>Not declared war on the USA after Pearl harbor.
No difference, US was already waging undeclared war on the anti-Communist states. Hitler declaring war was was just about honor, little practical difference.
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Eastern defence has its merits, but I think an attack by 1943 at the latest was a must, given that as other anons have said, it's a pretty well known fact that the Soviets wanted to invade Europe. Perhaps the extra 2 years would've allowed Germany to topple England and cut supply to the Russians once they did invade, although with the incredible amount of supply by the USA it would still be a tough fight.

I think the Germans should have consolidated Europe in its entirety first. Maybe the Italians could've been left as guards in Italy and France, freeing up better equipped Germans to tackle the USSR.

>I agree Germany had to have Romanian oil, good point. But for Iraq and Iran the Soviets would have to fight the Brits, right?

Very interesting all points thanks.

>Only a retard would believe germany would have won in russia even without american involvement.

>The US was barely a supplier when it mattered.

The material was negligible. You're missing the important part, the shipping of explosives for ammunition, and ammunition. Stalin had placed his ammunition factories so far west in the country that they lost 85% of their ammunition output of the entire Soviet Union during the first few days of the war - when the anti-communists attacked. Stalin had tonnes of material in 1941, but no ammunition for them. The "lend-lease" remedied this in the vital hour in late 1941. Without this, there would have been no counter-offensives, and hardly any defensives. Just a continous rout of the Soviet armies ahead of the anti-Communist armies.

No american involvement = loss for the Soviets - but not in the way most people are led to believe.

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>The material was negligible. You're missing the important part, the shipping of explosives for ammunition, and ammunition. Stalin had placed his ammunition factories so far west in the country that they lost 85% of their ammunition output of the entire Soviet Union during the first few days of the war - when the anti-communists attacked. Stalin had tonnes of material in 1941, but no ammunition for them. The "lend-lease" remedied this in the vital hour in late 1941. Without this, there would have been no counter-offensives, and hardly any defensives. Just a continous rout of the Soviet armies ahead of the anti-Communist armies.
>No american involvement = loss for the Soviets - but not in the way most people are led to believe.
I'm seething.

>But for Iraq and Iran the Soviets would have to fight the Brits, right?
Fight what? Their navy in inland Iran and Iraq? What else was there? Brits had like a handful of tanks that were not made of paper and glue by that time.

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Source on any of this shit. Calling the nazis just anti-communist makes you suspect

Are you just a shill or mentally retarded?
Not everybody that fought with the wehrmacht at operation barbarosa was a "nazi".

But they weren't just "anti-communist" you tard. They were themselves expansionists who wanted a piece of russia.

>Italy, Romania, Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian, Finnish, Spanish, and more
>all nazis

not all of them were expansionists who wanted a piece of russia, see spanish blue division

archive.org --> search "Stalin Chief Culprit"

And
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Comintern_Pact
Hitler didn't exactly attack the Soviet Union alone, despite all the (((Holy wood))) movies
Together with Germany, the USSR was invaded with Spain, Italy, Finland, Croatia, Slovakia, Romania and Hungary. And of course the already occupied European states of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia - where severe communist genocides of the local population were already taking place (10-20% of the populations).

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That was more of a symbolic gesture from Franco. Most of the axis allies during barbarossa were trying to get a piece of the pie.

There was no Russia, just a jewish terror regime calling itself the United Socialist Soviet Union.
The jewish terrorists had murdered millions and gulag-enslaved millions more in countries neighboring the anti-communist countries. The very simple reality of WWII is that the anti-communist countries didn't want the same to happen to their countries. They wanted to stop the jewish terror, they wanted to liberate the countries already fallen to the jewish terror and they wanted to root the jewish terror out of Europe.

Sure, some also wanted land - but to believe that was the main reason for war and not just a possible bonus is to believe in judeo-capitalist and judeo-allied war-propaganda. Winners write history and all, and Europe certainly did not win - the jews did.

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????

So no source on your ammunition claims?

I'll list the option you didn't put which is take the other city over leningrad for energy it would have crippled Russia on the Eastern Front and Northern Front and would have forced Russia into Peace Talks.

Army group north tried...

they should've built actual death camps, they might have not won the war but we would've been rid of most of the jews

First sentence when it was quoted and responded to, you blind?
>archive.org --> search "Stalin Chief Culprit"

page 132:
But this is not what is most important. The most important is the fact that at the very beginning of the war almost all industry capable of producing new ammunition was lost.
“From August to November 1941, the German troops took 303 Soviet gunpowder, shell, and missile factories, which had a production capability of supplying 101 million artillery
shells, 32 million mines, 24 million air bombs, [and] 3,600 tons of TNT. This constituted 85 percent of all output from the Ammunition Narkomat.”8*

>Source for the source:
*8. N. A. Voznessensky, War Economics of the USSR during the Period of the Great Patriotic War (Moscow:
Gospolitizdat, 1947), 42

Now why did Stalin place the ammunition factories so far west? Why not further inland? What possible reason could it be to place vital war industries in indefensible positions you say? The answer is simple - so the supply-routes of the ammunition would not be long for the Soviet forces who planning to attack Europe and operate deep within European lands. This is the real reason for the anti-communist attack - their spies had found out a large scale attack from the Soviets were coming (Operation Groza) and they were rushing against time to attack the Soviets first, to catch them off guard.

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IIRC there's a recording of Hitler talking to an officer about how it was imperative that he invade Russia safeguarding the Romanian oil-fields for Germany before the Soviets got there.
He says in the same clip how blown away he was by the sheer size of the plants Stalin had producing tanks, and the colossal number they had, and that even after taking them it was not enough to stop Russian production in a serious enough way. They had underestimated the sheer power of Russian production.

The core problem the third reich faced was a logistical one: lack of oil. To win the war the Nazis would have needed to have spent the years leading up to it focused on propagandizing America to maintain access to our oil trade (we were a major supplier at the time) in the event of a conflict. The allies won the war because they had logistical support from America. The Nazis would have needed the same support to have a clear path to victory.

The first one.

Stalin was not a gambler, and any arguments that Soviets would have invaded Germany are very flimsily sourced and put together.

Stalin would be perfectly content letting the UK and Germany beat each other while selling to both sides. By the time Germany secured victory in Europe, MAD would be in effect (if not nuclear, the German chemical weapons program would make any invasion impossible).

You'd have a Nazi-Soviet cold war in Europe

That's him talking with Mannerheim
youtube.com/watch?v=1Fxb1Hw2nn8

And they did underestimate, severely. But the alternative to attacking would still have been death - as the Soviet attack on Romania, Finland (and most of Europe) was planned for 2 weeks later than Operation Barbarossa. All of Europe would have fallen in months if the Soviets had been allowed first strike. All of Europe would have been GULAGed. As it was, only half of Europe was lost and the Soviet Union were halted and ended up collapsing because of it.

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>more of /pol's autistic imaginary historical scenarios

Awww geez, its almost like you morons never held a history book in your hand.
Russia won WW2 in 1941, Germany was defeated and everything that happened after 1941 was basically beating a dead horse.

Dont believe me?
Dont believe historians, either?

Maybe you'll believe when Hitler himself says this?

youtube.com/watch?v=1Fxb1Hw2nn8&t=3s

There you go, from Hitlers own mouth.

The biggest meme of them all is the hilarious delusion that USA had any impact on the European theatre.
Lmao, by the end of 1944 what was left of the German army was kids from Hitlerjugend and crippled officers without an arm and a leg, and the Americans still barely took France which was occupied by like 6 Germans.

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>expansionist policies
Reclaiming stolen clay

Talk a lot of shit for a genocided pole.

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So what if Germany withdrew and made peace with the UK etc? Would the USSR have still attacked Europe? Would the US have supported the commies or the rest of Europe?

You cant reclaim something that never belonged to you in the first place.

>>Not declared war on the Soviets and just defended occupied Poland if attacked.

Soviets were rearming and preparing to invade the west. Better attack them sooner.

>>Built up a navy that could take on England and allow for operation Sea Lion to take place.
nazis came into power in 33, a navy takes tens of years to built and uk was number 1 or 2 world power when it came to navy, very improbable to get beaten by the germans.

>>Focused less on tanks and more on planes. Chiefly not getting panthers and tigers and getting more jets and or radar.

jets were ahead of time and they lacked the materials to built them corectly. I belive that the engines on a 262 had a 8 hour lifetime. And all the other jets had so many problems they only made dew and stopped.

>>Focused on Atomic theory insetead of rockets.(V2/4)

they didnt know about the atomic bomb before someone actually made it. they cant predict the future and then research it.......plus if the atomic thing may have been a dead wnd, better go with what we already know

>>Not allied with Italy or not helped them in north africa.

:))))) that would have been nice

>>Not declared war on the USA after Pearl harbor.

No ideea but hitler had a speech on why he declared war, look it up for details

>as the Soviet attack on Romania, Finland (and most of Europe) was planned for 2 weeks later than Operation Barbarossa
Can this be proven? What little research I did left it as a plausible theory but as far as I saw no more than that.

>The biggest meme of them all is the hilarious delusion that USA had any impact on the European theatre.
People here seem aware America's only real impact was supplying the Soviet war machine.

and oil, ger had almost no oil, its usseless to have planes tanks and navy if you have no oil

if the UK is out of the war, Germany is free to use chemical weapons - so I doubt it. By 1942 they had nerve agents, while the Soviet tech was still lagging.

The reason Germany didn't use chemical weapons is because the British outclassed Germany - but the Germans certainly outclassed the soviets

Of course i do, why wouldnt i.

lend lease is a meme, too, especially when compared to the gigantic foreign support the germans had from day 1 in 1939, it makes lend lease look like a joke.

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>Can this be proven?

No, it can't. It is completely out of line for Stalin's character. Plus, it contradicts basic facts of the war.

Right before Barbarossa, Stalin had intelligence that the Germans were about to attack, but didn't send troops to the border because he didn't want to provoke Germany into attacking because he knew his armies were not strong enough to fight Germany at the border.

If no additional Soviet troops are being sent to the border to avoid German provocation, how exactly is it that the Soviets intended to invade Germany?

>Can this be proven?
archive.org/details/TheChiefCulpritStalinsGrandDesignToStartWorldWarIi-ViktorSuvorov

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Lend Lease was helpful, but not decisive for the Soviet war effort. It probably saved them millions of causalities and sped up the war by a year or two.

However, Lend Lease only began to really be utilized in late 1942, by which time the German strategic position was already beyond fucked.
Really, the only way Germany could have beaten the Soviets if there was a political collapse of the Soviet state, say Stalin goes comatose after a stroke, or outright dies, and then his underlings fight each other to be leader of the USSR. That could have sufficiently disrupted the Soviet military such that Germany might have had a chance

Indeed, there was no such thing as an "incoming Soviet invasion", it was just another made up lie to cover up basic land-grabbing tendencies.

>Right before Barbarossa, Stalin had intelligence that the Germans were about to attack, but didn't send troops to the border because he didn't want to provoke Germany into attacking because he knew his armies were not strong enough to fight Germany at the border.

not only that, Stalin was so utterly shocked by the German invasion, he closed himself in his private quarters and didnt come out for a few days. The Russian military cadre, being butchered by the recent Stalinic purge, was unprepared for the invasion, and lack of Stalins orders only made the initial massacre on the Soviets even worse.

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No, there is no realistic way Germany could win WW2 no matter what they did.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sbim2kGwhpc

No he couldn't

>archive.org/details/TheChiefCulpritStalinsGrandDesignToStartWorldWarIi-ViktorSuvorov

Can you provide a page link to the claim? As far as I can see, this book just argues Stalin is partially complicit for the rise of Hitler's Germany by providing economic aid and the like during 1939-1941 (which is undeniable).

Now, I obviously have not read the whole thing, but where does it say the Soviets were planning on invading Germany?

>So what if Germany withdrew and made peace with the UK etc?
They tried. Dozens of peace offers were made, that also included full retreat to original state lines. Hitler even sent one of his most trusted men by plane to get a peace deal

"In 1941 Rudolf Hess, Deputy Fuhrer of the German Reich flew in secret to Scotland in an attempt to negotiate peace with Great Britain. Upon arrival Hess was arrested as a prisoner of war. He remained as such until the Nuremberg Trials where he was convicted of "crimes against peace" and "conspiracy to commit crimes". Hess served 41 years at Spandau prison until 1987 at the age of 93 he hung himself. In order to end pilgrimages to his grave his remains were exhumed and cremated. Hess' grave stone which read "I have dared" was destroyed. The 600 cell Spandau prison was also destroyed after the death of its lone surviving prisoner in 1987. All this effort in order to destroy all history related to just one man. Really makes you think"

>Would the USSR have still attacked Europe?
Yes. See Just an hour of reading will convince even the most delusional
(Also, they were already attacking and genociding in several countries, see first paragraph in )

>Would the US have supported the commies or the rest of Europe?
They already were supporting the anti-Europeans. They didn't start in 1941, they started in 1917. American elite wanted the british empire and the jewish-americans (media/banking) wanted commies to win the world. See the bottom paragraph in

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Even if such a thing existed it still wouldn't make Hitler some kind of peaceful martyr. He literally says he wants to invade Russia in Mein Kampf. Good thing benevolent Stalin didn't treat german civvies like the germans did to the russians.

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Yeah. Germany would probably have been better off if Elser's bomb had gone off 20 minutes earlier, so Göring instead of Hitler would be in charge (Göring didn't want to invade Russia)

>Now, I obviously have not read the whole thing, but where does it say the Soviets were planning on invading Germany?

Pretty much every chapter. Look into it some more, perhaps start with chapter 20 - Mobilization. All the chapters are convincing, but chapter 20 even more so.

>The law adopted on September 1, 1939, allowed for an increase in the ranks of the Red Army from 1.5 million men in the spring of 1939 to 5.7 million in the spring of 1941 without declaring mobilization and alarming the neighbors.10 Additionally, this law allowed for the preparation of 18 million reservists, so that at any moment they could fill the ranks with the desired number of soldiers.
>This army development had a time limit, because Stalin called several age groups into the Red Army at the same time—in essence, all the young men in the country. The duration of army service for the majority of the population—privates in ground forces and NKVD (Political Police) forces—was two years, so the country had to enter a major war before September 1, 1941. If not, all the young people would go home on September 1, 1941, and then there would be almost nobody left to draft. All these new armies—assault and mechanized corps, tanks, air force, and all other divisions—would have to be disbanded. It is impossible to maintain an armed force of this size without a war: it does not produce anything and it consumes everything produced by the country. The creation of such an army could only lead to war. The modern Russian ministry of defense acknowledges this. “No nation can maintain a mobilized army with any intent other than war: the economy cannot stand the strain, and the mobilized but unused army begins to decay.”11 This was said about the mobilization conducted by Stalin starting on August 19, 1939.

>the country had to enter a major war before September 1, 1941. If not, all the young people would go home on September 1, 1941

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And it still doesnt say anywhere that Russia was going to invade anybody.

>but the ranks increased, and conscription was higher in 1939!!

indeed so, just like in literally every other country on planet Earth in 1939.

Russians murdered and raped indescriminately. Commies are bad people.

>And it still doesnt say anywhere that Russia was going to invade anybody.
What do you mean "going to"? They were already occupying and genociding people in Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Southern Finland, Northern Romania, Mongolia and Ukraine when they were attacked by the European anti-Communists. The commies were already in the middle of an invasion of Europe - and the whole world. The anti-Communists tried to halt the communsist hordes, but ultimately failed due to the greedy western elites, the evil judeo-bankers and their manipulation of America and the UK.

>Leninism dictates that a socialist country, using the favorable world situation, must take on the initiative of making military advances against the capitalist surroundings with the purpose of widening the socialist front. . . . Leninism’s motto, “defend your land on foreign soil,” can at any moment turn into practical action.”
>—Direcive of the Main Political Directorate of the Red Army, JUNE 3, 1941

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakh_famine_of_1932–33
>1.3 million were ethnic Kazakhs; 38% of all Kazakhs died

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
>A U.N. joint statement signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7–10 million perished

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
>18 million who were sent to the Gulag from 1930 to 1953, roughly 1.5 to 1.7 million perished there or as a result of their detention.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War
>7,000,000–12,000,000 combined total casualties

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine
>240,000 to 3.5 million deaths

But hey they shot a dog into space!

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These three things cost Germany the war

1. Delaying the invasion of Russia by several weeks because the Italians were losing to the Greeks, allowing for Germany to get stopped by winter
2. Japan attacking the U.S. instead of Russia
3. Not mass producing cheap machinery, instead they went for large overly complicated designs

>b..but people were starving because communism sucks!

......OK? Still doesnt imply Russia would invade the entire continent if the germanoids didnt to id first.

>deaths caused by rapid industrialization and modernization are equivalent to deaths caused by nazi autism

Nazis are both dumb and evil

You have good knowledge user.

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No.

He's a dumb nazi. Even the useless tzar admitted Russia is done for after being humiliated by the japanese and then the germans during ww1 if they don't industrialize. And then Hitler came into power shortly after. Stalin saved russia.

you're a retarded faggot

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Just skim through the book retards. If you're right you'll be able do debunk it easily next time. Wouldn't that be nice? Just verify the information for yourself.
But you won't. Because communism and the polish WWII narrative does not stand up to truth, their only means of protection against truth is censure. Sad. If you feel you are right, why don't you just skim through the book and check for yourself? It's filled with hundreds and hundreds of sources leading to other books, you can read those as well of course - or you could just skim through the summary Suvorov made and see if your delusional world views matches up to reality.

archive.org/details/TheChiefCulpritStalinsGrandDesignToStartWorldWarIi-ViktorSuvorov

And apply the same logic to Mein Kampf while you're at it. The "nazis" say you should read it and make up your own mind. The jews and the elites screech that "YOU SHOULD NOT READ THAT BOOK IT IS MAGICAL EVIL AND YOU'LL TURN EVIL BY MAGIC JUST BY LOOKING AT IT". Which party is more likely to be right? The one who asks you to see for yourself or the who can only censure, that always refuses to say "you see here, this part is wrong and false BECAUSE of X and Y" - all they ever say is "IT IS ALL WRONG, IT IS ALL LIES, DON'T READ IT HITLER HATED JEWS BECAUSE HE WANTED TO BE AN ARTIST AND TWO JEWISH PROFESSORS DIDN'T LET HIM IN TO SCHOOL THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON"

archive.org/details/MeinKampfAudio

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>Not declared war on the Soviets and just defended occupied Poland if attacked.
Couldn't happen. German-Polish relations were pretty good before the Polish leader died and was swapped out. Relations quickly deteriorated and Poland refused to sign the anti-comintern pact and postured against Germany under the arm of Britain. There is no way an alliance would happen unless the Polish leadership stayed the same.
>Built up a navy that could take on England and allow for operation Sea Lion to take place.
Britain was already pushing for war and very sensitive about Germany rebuilding their navy. They would've accelerated the process and started the war earlier when Germany was more unprepared if they went the naval route. Germany fucked up when they refused to hit the allies in Dunkirk. That would've done Britain in well enough.
>Focused less on tanks and more on planes. Chiefly not getting panthers and tigers and getting more jets and or radar.
Wouldn't've changed anything on the battlefield. Germany already had planes better than most others. The only thing they could do better is protect civilians from allied bombing raids. If they neglected their tanks they would've been overrun harder than in our timeline.
>Focused on Atomic theory insetead of rockets.(V2/4)
They did but they weren't quick enough. The allies ended them first and used their technology to build their own.
>Not allied with Italy or not helped them in north africa.
I don't think Italy would have changed many of their ambitions. They would've just been BTFO by the allies incredibly quickly and the Germans were to follow. If they allied but the Germans forced Italy to hold off, then yes, maybe.
>Not declared war on the USA after Pearl harbor.
The US was already attacking German merchant ships in the Atlantic. Germany had an obligation to Japan to attack those that attacked either nation. Germany just honored their agreement with Japan and made the ghost war with the US official.
t. armchair gen

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They didn't have oil or manpower you retard. How many times do you assholes need this explained to you. They could have mass produced out the ass and they would still have lost. And Japan was fighting china, there is no way they would have ever mounted an invasion against the soviets.

Out of all of these only the first one would result in Germany not losing the war, but that would have never happened because Lebensraum was Hitler's main ideological goal and the best way to get Lebensraum was the massive flatlands of Ukraine, Belarus, western Russia and eastern Poland. So Hitler's ideology was what lost him the war.

You're too stupid my dude. Both this and your evidence for the ammunition shit are some cryptic texts from literally whos. Just quote the actual documents and valid sources, you shouldn't have to read an entire book yo find a valid source for such a direct claim.

Can someone redpill me on American lend lease to Russia?
Even if it's a small percentage, wasn't it all vital stuff like radios and trucks?

Hitler focused on planes much more than tanks early in the war and before the war, he only realized how good they are after France.
But you're wrong. He should have actually focused more on tanks and built more StuGs instead of Tigers since you could build like 10 if them for the effort of one tiger and they were extremely effective.
And the Panther was probably the best tank of the war, there just weren't enough.
Hitler shifted his production to butter and household products a year or two too early when he felt like he was on top of the world.
Should have sticked with war production.

The Russians would have won without it, but it definitely sped up the Germans demise and saved a bunch of Russian lives

>

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Doubtful. Running out of steam over vast distances is a huge issue for large armies.

>The earth is flat
>Prove it
>Here, read this book
>What? No just post your scientific evidence and data for why it's flat, you don't need a whole fucking book
>Lmao you sheeple you're just admitting I'm right

There is as much solid evidence of the Soviet imaginary invasion of Europe as the number of evidence for the holocaust on 6 million germans in Gdansk in 1939, or the Gleiwitz radio station "attack", or a hundred other Nazi bullshit stories that were so obvious only a German could swallow it whole.

What else do you expect from a nazi? I mean if you are one you clearly dont give a fuck about data, historical accuracy of facts and logic, why did you think one of them would suddenly not be an utter retard?

Stalin himself said that Russia would have lost if they hadn't gotten support from the US
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#Significance_of_the_Lend-Lease_Act

Stalin could say the Flying Spaghetti Monster saved the galaxy from the Reapers, numbers and dates say Lend Lease is nothing but a pumped-up meme by the Americans, it didnt even exist when Germany lost WW2 some 12 kilometers from Moscow in 1941, and when later the Russians put the final nail in the Nazi coffin after a couple million Germans got turned into fertilizer under Stalingrad, Lend Lease was starting to exist, slowly.

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No. Hitler was a controlled op from the word "go", and the axis powers fought a war they could not win. If he'd waited another few years for Stalin to die before declaring war, MAYBE. Even then, that's a stretch because of how different history would be.
Hitler was outmanned by too large of a margin to win.

>post scientific evidence without posting a book haha guess you can't do that now I win haha gommunism wins again XDDDD

>>The law adopted on September 1, 1939, allowed for an increase in the ranks of the Red Army from 1.5 million men in the spring of 1939 to 5.7 million in the spring of 1941 without declaring mobilization and alarming the neighbors.10 Additionally, this law allowed for the preparation of 18 million reservists, so that at any moment they could fill the ranks with the desired number of soldiers.
>Stalin called several age groups into the Red Army at the same time—in essence, all the young men in the country.
>the country (USSR) had to enter a major war before September 1, 1941. If not, all the young people would go home on September 1, 1941

No war by September 1941 and the USSR would have had zero army. They drafted practically all men from 18-21 to serve for a 2 year term in 1939. This could be extended in case of war. If no war, they had to be let back to their farms, families and towns. Nearly all these drafted soldiers were transported to the westernmost tips of the western parts of the western borders of the USSR in summer 1941. They were ready for war- offensive war. Which is why they had no anti-air set up, no layered defenses, no mine fields, no trenches, NOT EVEN BARRACKS FOR WINTER just tents. You don't let 4 million men overwinter in tents with nothing to do (NO TRAINING FIELDS) with 8 months and expect to have them still be a function army at the end of winter. They were ready to move in to Europe in summer of 1941, but were attacked themselves just before.

Just skim through the bloody book, no one is telling you to read all of it. Just open it at random and read a single chapter. That's all you need.
archive.org/details/TheChiefCulpritStalinsGrandDesignToStartWorldWarIi-ViktorSuvorov/page/n209

ibf
>but sources are not sources if they disprove me

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Based Pole btfoing germcucks.

This is your "proof" of a supposed soviet invasion of Europe?
>Germany
>"Hey we think your people are inferior and we believe they deserve to be our slaves"
>"Hey we think your ideology is the root of all evil and will murder every single one of you for believing in it"
>"Hey we believe your land is rightfully ours, because we are superior and deserve it"
>Soviets
>"Ya know, i have a feeling these assholes may attack me, better prep defenses"
>Germans
>"CLEARLY THEY WANT TO TAKE OVER ALL OF EUROPE WE ARE BAYST SAVIORS"

Just when you think nazis couldnt get more retarded, they come out and surprise you

he seems to think the more paragraphs you have in your post, and the more you gish gallop your opponent, the more informed you come across

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Not only that, senpai, the poor nazi halfwits expect the Soviets would just teleport their armies a few thousand kilometers over Poland, straight to the German border, lmao.
But thats not the funniest part, get this:

>be german
>those super evil communists are going to invade our glorious germany!!
>what should we do? what should we do?
>oh thats right!! Lets ally ourselves with the communists, and together destroy the only country that actually openly fought wars with communists - Poland.
>what a fantastic idea!! ja, ja, ja!! fantastisch!! German smart, german very smart!

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Poland also built up its army during the 1930s, does that mean Poland was ready to take over Europe as well? Historians say Poland would need around 2 more years before they finished upgrading its army fully, meaning that the bayst nayzees saved us from a polish takeover by invading them 2 years before that happened as well? thank you bayst nayzees!

>Not declared war on the Soviets and just defended occupied Poland if attacked.
this. it's highly probable that stalin had no plan to attack. He was livid when he learnt hitler betrayed him. source : Young Stalin

What if they take on Turkey instead of the Soviets? This way they could secure some oil and fight bongs in theirs colonial possessions. And maybe secure Suez. Turkey barley had any military "assets".

What is that gif from?

Before the NSDAP even existed the communist jews had murdered millions in eastern Europe and organized several bloody revolutions all over Europe.
Before there was a single Fascist nation, the communist jews had murdered millions more in eastern Europe and south eastern Europe.
Before the NSDAP was voted into power the communist jews had murdered millions more in eastern Europe and middle-eastern Europe.
Before the NSDAP attacked the Soviet Union together with Spain, Italy, Finland, Croatia, Slovakia, Romania and Hungary, the communists jews had already invaded and occupied Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Northern Romania and were organizing severe genocides there, as they had done before everywhere they took power.

Before the Americans allied with the Soviets "to protect muh freedoms", the judeo-communists had already murdered and famined 20 million people, and directly enslaved tens of millions more. How many had the Germans killed by then? At no point between 1933 and 1941 were there more than a few tens of thousands of political prisoners in the concentration camps.
Stalin on the other hand, had 10s of million of of political prisoners used as human cattle, as SLAVES in his concentration camps - the GULAGs.

youtube.com/watch?v=KWZ4wY4Mqwc&t=4m0s

The judeo-communists never "industrialized the Soviet Union". They didn't build refrigerators, cars for the civilians, machines for the civilians. They gutted the population, stole their resources, burned their churches, murdered those who resisted, enslaved the the rest and made them build the largest military the world has ever seen. All to take over the world at the benefit of a tiny ruling class mostly consisting of racial jews. Not for the benefit of the people. Not to "industrialize" the USSR, but to take over the world.

And now, 80 years later a pole, a serb and a communist faggot sit around jerking each other off to how the Europeans were the bad guys for resisting.

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