Confucianism is the best religion you've never heard of. + Practically no superstition. + 4/5s of it is emphasis on the family unit. + Explicit injunction and simple rules, no interpretation. + A secular social philosophy compatible with Christianity, according to the first missionaries who encountered it. + All of the founders of the United States (Ben Franklin, James Madison, Thomas Paine, etc.) and enlightenment philosophes like Voltaire all had a major hardon for it and though it was the best thing ever. + Literally the reason Japan is so amazing.
What are you waiting for? Become a Confucian today!
I'm more into Pythagoreanism/Platonism and Zoroastrianism.
Wyatt Turner
All that's mystical, which is fine but insufficient. Confucianism's unique quality is that it is totally immanent and structures society based on the family unit rather than the individual.
Levi Bell
He's so great, you don't even understand the quote.
Blake Morales
The quote relates to the virtue morality of Confucianism. When the various Western republics were founded, it was well-accepted political theory that the chief requirement for a republic to sustain itself was virtue in the citizenry. People like Voltaire and Ben Franklin wanted something like Confucianism to inform the republican citizenry, but they never got around to making it.
Levi Walker
>hur dur word salad That's not what it means, and none of what you wrote is what a superior man seeks within himself. Not families, not Voltaire, and not secular philosophy, you small souled bug person.
The Orthodox Church didn't invent human reason so obviously non Christians can also come up with very reasonable social orders.
You go and run a 1.4 billion society with the kind of order and harmony that China does. There's 800 million white people and they are all at war with each other.
Justin Adams
And frankly, a burger knows shit about truth, look at the lies about everything you are brainwashing your kids with. In China you will hear more truth and be shit on or even imprisoned if you suggest that some of the lies you are told (regarding transsexualism for example) are truths.
Juan Ortiz
>frankly, a burger knows shit about truth Why do you write like a redneck from the South? >in China you will hear more truth Oh, because you're a Jew
Caleb Sanchez
Confucianism =! religion Guenon covers this well enough in his work Introduction to the Study of the Hindu Doctrines. From what I remember he concluded that the idea of religion can only really apply to the faiths of Abraham and things like Hinduism or Confucianism fall outside the definition. Honestly if you are going to mine anything system better to start with the Hindu. At least you have the vedic components which are Aryan in spirit and fit well with with soul of the European.
The genius of Confucianism (or as I like to call it, Sagianism or Junzism, because Confucius sounds like confusion and Ruism sounds like studying things you rue) is that it's 100% a "layperson" religion and explicitly lays out a social order instead of just implying it.
Hinduism and Christianity are both monastic-ideal religions where the best path is giving away everything and going off into the woods. Sagianism almost totally lacks mysticism and focuses on the structure of the family unit along with stressing education and developing personal virtue in day-to-day life.
There's pretty much nothing else like it. The closest thing is probably Judaism but unlike Judaism, it's an open system and lacks any mysticism.
Lincoln Brooks
>Hinduism and Christianity are both monastic-ideal religions where the best path is giving away everything and going off into the woods Have you read the Bhagavad Gita it is anything but monastic. Krishna basically teaches Arjuna what is what on a battlefield. At its core it is about action and bringing the spiritual to the every day. The same with Buddhism which was was created by a warrior and made for use in the every day. Both have basically been pushed in to the monastery but it was never their original intention.
Bentley Collins
Confucianism is not a religion. It is philosophy and culture that analyzes social and religious customs and rituals, and produces a certain disposition to religion in society, which is not mystical approach to it.
Of course, there is a point in comparison. Chinese culture have a little "something", some trait that allows it to stave off or purge decadence, all the while all other civilizations that existed in history eventually, and irreversibly succumb to it and are terminated without any chance to resurge.
Adrian Wright
That's all good and fine, but it's mystical rather than immanent, and compatible with Sagianism as far as I'm concerned. The great ideas of Sagianism that the West needs are reciprocal hierarchy and rectification of names. Sagianism says, for example, that wives must obey husbands, and that sons must obey fathers, etc. Also, benevolence is a virtue and that everyone should be very well educated.
That all explicitly glues the family unit together and makes a healthy modern society. It's all practical, not transcendent or mystical, which is why it can meld and co-exist with any mystical or transcendent religion (Buddhism, Taoism, Christianity, etc.) It just has almost nothing to say about anything that's not material.
Carson Martin
The main thing here is a Chinese trait of "maintaining Face" - an awareness and care of a social record of a person; which is only extended via digital Social Credit system right now.
If you lived in a small village or town, you know that the people are very aware about everyone they interact with. However, in a city, such awareness is impossible. It's super easy to cover loose ends, and impossible to reliably find out what sort of a person the guy you're dealing with is. This is the cause of eventual collapse of social links - collapse that is avoided in China alone.
Angel Allen
>Chinese culture have a little "something", some trait that allows it to stave off or purge decadence What do you think that something is? Government is too incompetent to permanently fuck the people over? People too rebellious? Too much common sense?
Adam Miller
Yes, all of that is amazing. Let's do that except without the 1984 system. Kongzi was proto-democratic in that he said a ruler who does not exercise benevolence has no right to rule, and that family obligations outweigh state obligations ("don't turn your father in for stealing a sheep", etc.) It's the best ethos I've ever come across and the West seems allergic to it, probably because it's so suffused with exotic culture and terrible translations (the Analects sound like something to do with the butthole). It's a shame.
Asher Ross
Confucianism and japan? Are you actually retarded?
Nicholas Evans
Uhhh... no? The level of ignorance about Confucianism is truly staggering. All of East Asia is deeply influenced by Confucianism, including Japan and Korea.
We in the West just don't get it. It's time to change that. Kongzi is the reason East Asia is so great.
Jack Ramirez
Christianity also focuses on the family unit and how society should be ordered according to this principle. The difference is that Christianity tries to teach much more beyond the social order. I view Confucianism as a small subset of the teachings of Christianity, since everything contained in Confucianism can also be found in Christianity. Maybe Chinese are better at the social order bit on a large scale because their philosophy is exclusively focused no this issue. But make no mistake, our success as societies in history was despite all our failings due to a more wholesome philosophical foundation. It allowed very small European societies to rule over enormous parts of the world independently because we looked beyond the mere fundamentals of societal order.
Robert Cox
And once you are so powerful to conquer and rule basically anyone outside of Europe you get to choose between doing good or evil. Some rulers chose good, some evil, this is a mere result of free will which was given to all of us.
Jackson Martin
Confucianism may have influenced a lot like christianity, but it was never widely accepted or practiced or anything similar beyond chinese lands. Its major benefits were adopted in bureocratic systems, nothing more. Especially in japan, where it was actually laughable how little it influenced their warrior society based on bushido and taoism
Ian Moore
Well, the other major problem with Christianity is its baked in gender egalitarianism, which is killing Western birthrates now. Yeah, yeah, I know Genesis says wives should obey husbands and there are a few other passages, but there are just as many that imply gender egalitarianism in the New Testament, like Galatians 3:28 etc. What's destroying the west now is the breakdown of the family unit. The whole family system has to be fished out of Bible and is quite ambivalently supported, with Jesus being unmarried and all. In Confucianism, it's explicit and continuously re-emphasized.
Eli Kelly
Most of humanity identifies though with Confucianism. Basically everyone in Asia except for Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia. Japanese are Confucian, so are Vietnamese and Koreans. I honestly can't find anything negative about Confucianism even though I'm a Christian fundamentalist. I'm sure there are some details that I wouldn't like but overall it is very logical and reasonable.
Cameron Sanchez
Well, I deny that there is gender equality in Christianity. There are clear roles but it does maintain that woman are just as humans that you have to respect as you should men. I don't have an issue with this, this gender equality we see today has another origin. The female with power over society is depicted as Satanic in the church again and again. Everyone should accept their roles according to the order god created for us, but this doesn't mean that women should be treated like slaves or cattle. I guess no one here could stomach treating his mother or sister like a slave even though we all clearly see that they are deficient in some areas which makes them unsuitable to decide on some issues, just like we as men are unsuitable for some things.
Adrian Perry
Yeah well basic logic, self control and reasonable thought present in every human culture isnt due a global notion of confucianism. If our ancestors followed those courses of behaviour its because it was recognised as something good not because someone somewhere in the world created a religion around it. Christianity may offer you guidance to a good life but it doesnt tell you its good because god says so. It promotes free will and you must be able to identify good from evil.
Mason Anderson
That's great and if Christianity can do it alone, fine, but I have my doubts. If we need a little help than I'd 1000x times rather syncretize with Confucianism than Islam.
Gavin Jackson
Came to post this.
Positive activities constitute life, and positive activity is the message of Bhagavad-gītā. Spiritual life is not “Don’t do this.” Spiritual life is “Do this!” In order to act properly, there are certain things that one must know not to do; therefore certain activities are forbidden. The whole Bhagavad-gītā, however, is “do.” Kṛṣṇa says, “Fight for Me.” At the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā, when Arjuna told Kṛṣṇa, “I will not fight,” Śrī Kṛṣṇa said, “My dear Arjuna, how have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the progressive values of life. They lead not to higher planets, but to infamy.” (Bg. 2.2) Kṛṣṇa directly tells Arjuna that he is speaking like a non-Āryan—that is, like one who does not know the spiritual values of life. So Kṛṣṇa consciousness does not mean sitting down idly.
Kevin Green
If (((they))) could warp Christianity you can bet they would do the same to anything else.
Nathaniel Nguyen
I'm with you on this, I'd rather teach Confucianism than Islam. But what is guaranteed is that we will have some religion/philosophy like that in the end because the Atheism and Scientism we have now will fail for sure. It directly goes against all human reason and society is going to endure the suffering resulting from it only to a certain point.
Joseph Torres
In their conflict with Jewish tribes of the region, the Muslims adopt the character of Abraham, made up by the Jews, being, furthermore, a pronunciation and spelling mistake of the Indian God Brahma. Truly, Islam, just like Christianity, is subtly penetrated by the Archetype of other beliefs and religions; by the Eddas, the Asen and Vanir sagas of the ancient Germans. From the Walhalla and the walkyries it has taken the Jannah and the Huries. The Ramadan reminds us of the fasting and asceticism on the festivities of Rama, the Ramayana. And the very name Islam can be broken into Is (the Goddess Isis, the Black; like Kali, like the Black Virgins, and the Kaaba itself), and Lam, the mantram corresponding to the Muladhara Shakra, of the sexual organs, pointing to a Tantric initiation now lost in Islam's surface, although perhaps not in its depths, which could be indicated by the existence of the Taj-Mahal, in India, and precisely by the name Kaaba (Cave, Great Mother, Black Stone). Lam is also way. Is-lam originally would have been the Way of Isis, of the Goddess Isis, of the Tantric Initiation of "Shaiba", the Widow; of the "Queen of Sheba", of the "Sons of Sheba-Shaiba", of the "Sons of the Widow", of the Black Stone of the Kaaba, of Shiva and Kali, of Ra and Isis, all Black (Nigredo). Of the Kaaba Vimana (UFO). Because the vimanas were made of stone, and are thus described in the Ramayana and the Bhagavad-Gita.
Camden Harris
These profound secrets were known and kept by the Sufis (Muslim initiates, Manichaeans and Gnostics) while they maintained their knowledge. Perhaps the "Ismaelites", the Hassasins, of the Imam, of the Elder of the Mountain, also had a similar origin. But the Mohammedans, like the Christians, destroyed everything by imposing a ferocious orthodoxy and, as in the Inquisition, stoned the transgressors. They veiled the feminine eternal, even on the faces of their women, and in contrast to the jewel of their Taj-Mahal, a poem in marble and precious stones dedicated to Eternal Love (the A-Mor of the Hyperboreans and Veddic Aryans), they have invented the purda and the harem, and also destroyed the most wonderful relics and sculptures throughout the world, like the millenary stone Buddhas in Afghanistan.
Just like in Christianity, the Jewish penetration in Islamism has been the invisible hand, guilty of also installing here its inventions, which by being publicly exposed as false today, leaving the Islamic world likewise helpless. The Arabs have also been penetrated by the Daggatum and Donmeh Jews, who have become among their people something similar to the Spanish Sephardim, Jews under disguise.
Christopher Brown
Good synopsis. All our famous religions taught true 8-fold mysticism at their beginning, but in the end their candles blew out. No one gave a shit what Jesus said until he started walking around on water. Likewise, no one gave a shit what Confucius said, until it became apparent he could see and speak to the spirits of the dead. And now? No one gives a shit what anyone says, because the true saints say nothing at all.
Tyler Torres
Confucianism is suck. Fucking ageism gonna ruin civilization. And Asia already fucked once
Alexander Phillips
>Japan >amazing >Pick one Also >Japan >Confucianism >?????
>The whole family system has to be fished out of Bible and is quite ambivalently supported, with Jesus being unmarried and all.
IMHO this is the best thing about Christianity. Sure it's a little soft on the roastie question, but that's still preferable to Confucianism, which makes men BOUND to their ancestors, and obliged to essentially tie themselves down with a wife and children out of filial duty.
Christianity by contrast expresses the timeless truth, which is that even though sex is necessary to continue the species, races, tribes and family lines, a man who can find his own path is as noble, if not more noble than the ordinary married man.
There is something distastefully vulgar and materialistic about Confucianism, interesting though it is as an alternative philosophy.
Jackson Morgan
Bump
Matthew Lee
I'm more interested in Confucian understanding of personal development. Evil comes from people who forgoes self-cultivation and the good in the world arises from discipline. It can be thought of as a religion because it prescribes rituals but this can be interpreted as simply as going to the gym regularly or practicing a martial art or simply making ones bed every morning. A self-religion without mysticism
Jayden Bennett
>Christianity by contrast expresses the timeless truth, which is that even though sex is necessary to continue the species, races, tribes and family lines, a man who can find his own path is as noble, if not more noble than the ordinary married man. What do you mean by this? How does Christianity express this view?
Christian Jones
PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL UNDERDEVELOPED CHINK PHILOSOPHY WHICH IS ONLY RESPECTED OUT OF BASELESS ORIENTALISM CAN SAVE THE WEST
Ian Morris
My dude, Jesus literally says it's best to remain unmarried and died without children. Marriage is a compromise if you are just too darn horny for that.
Deism was pretty much just a euphemism for atheism, because a god who makes everything and then goes away forever is scarcely a god. Also, all the deist USA founders were Sinophiles who loved Confucius, so pretty much weeaboos.
Yes, Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson were all fedora weeaboos. Benjamin Franklin pretty much modeled his entire life after Confucius. Look it up.
Mason Cooper
Corinthians 7:8-7:9
Austin Wilson
confucianism is retarded by design some random scholar decided to give good life advices and warned about not misinterpeting them and that he was not a prophet in any way
AND THE FUCKING CHINKS MADE A RELIGION OUT OF HIM
Gavin Cruz
>i dont understand the words therefore it is word salad
brainlet detected
Connor Perez
Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it. (Matthew 19:11-12)
An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world. (1 Corinthians 7:32-33)
