Brexit

>You sure showed me with those hot opinions
>Can't make a post without some jewish buzzword

Typical burger non-response.

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>on Jow Forums
>gets angry at hearing the chosen people mentioned

wew lad

wew

>burger promotes European sectarianism
>has the audacity to call others kikes
Off yourself, Schlomo

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Yeah you sure got me, fatty.

>Nationalism is the tool of the jew!

Who are you quoting?

>yes goy, stay separate and weak so we can more easily control you
>it's only in your best interest, trust us

Although it wont happen, a second referendum would just result in a higher leave vote than before. Over the past 3 years the EU has been in the public spotlight almost constantly, and we've seen what sort of people they actually are, and we do not like it.

if our government does not follow democracy, however late, it sets dangerous precedent.

Jewish frog at his tricks again

>The people didn't know what they were voting for.
Yeaahhh they did, in or out simple
>Half the country still feel wanted to remain
Yet leave won and should be respected

Some things are just not meant to be put up to the people. This being one of them. If Brexiteers are so confident in this being the path forward 3 years later, they shouldn't be afraid of confirming with the public if this is still something they want. If anything it's the most democratic thing they can do.

Or maybe we shouldn't hold elections every 5 years either and whatever party wins should be in power for life?

Nice reddit spacing, you insufferable faggot. We all know France is lost, doesn’t mean we have to let the entirety of Europe die too.

>Some things are just not meant to be put up to the people.
that's the mentality of a ruling class not a serving class, you fucktard.
issues not for the public are those that are menial, inconsequential.

UK glows, worse to the west than Israel

>Some things are just not meant to be put up to the people.
Such as? The idea that the people are too stupid to have a say in the way their country is run is the attitude of a tyrant

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Thats how remainers think, they called leave voters stupid/uneducated. Ironic considering that is part of reason so many lower class voted leave, their voices don't count and they wanted to be heard.

You know those guys who voted for trump because he was going to lock up Hillary? basically that is what happened in the UK over Brexit. They lied about what they could do, they said openly they could have their cake adn eat it, they played on racism and Little England nostalgic jingoistic fantasy. people voted for jam tomorrow, and were promised it would come on fresh brioche gratefully given for free by the French.

it was clearly a vote partly against the smug git Cameron and the Tories. It had nothing to do with the actuality of Brexit.

Maybe we should go full communism and give all the power to all the people. I'm sure Gaz from the local vape shop is educated enough on international politics, economy, job markets, trade deals, etc, or even has the mental capacity to make such decisions in any rational manner.

Maybe if the "serving class" wasn't a bunch of uneducated brainlets, it wouldn't be a big deal. Oh wait, the conservatives gutted the entire country of all funding that actually matters...Democracy only works when your voting base aren't a bunch of retards, otherwise you're just shooting in the dark hoping for the best.

Correct. A second vote should happen.

Hard Brexit or the deal the EU gave to May.

well enough leave voters have died of aold age, a young voters more likely to be Remain voters have come intothe pool. Also more young remainers would turn out this time.

plus frankly, a well run campaign would turn the vote round. Remain was hobbled by the idiot Corbyn not throwing labour behind it (the entire debacle has been hindered by us not actually having an effective opposition)

Democracy is when you vote until the dictatorship gets what it wants. Even if they don't, you can always obstruct and impeach. Democracy is an illusion.

Yeah sure, you just believe all that bullshit. You're not getting another referendum because everyone knows leave is going to win harder.

>I'm sure Gaz from the local vape shop is educated enough on international politics, economy, job markets, trade deals, etc, or even has the mental capacity to make such decisions in any rational manner.
The entire basis of Democracy is that the people vote on these issues you fucking muppet. Why are the people able to vote on issues concerning austerity or who runs the country in your eyes, but not issues related to international politics? You're making an arbitrary distinction because people voted against what you believe

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>simple
but it isn't a simple question. it isnt even a simply possible question. You were told the Good Friday Agreement made it impossible to do it simply. You have to break one international agreement or another - you cannot have the cake and eat it.

but you didn't care, and didn't listen, and now the Tories will get their way and have a no deal break - and fucking the rest of the country.

and 47% of those who voted voted remain. Near enough to half. and millions were denied a vote, on spurious grounds, most of whom would have voted remain. And millions didnt vote at all, and you cannot be sure which way they think. and millions are too young to vote, adn they are remainers to the core.

this is a zombie vote - a vote by the dead - to blight the future of the young.

this.

If Leave is so confident then why are they not campaigning for another vote ?

>reddit spacing,
deeply retarded cunt with no argument detected

>muh tyrrany
You faggots only care about democracy when it suits you. Don't pretend that if a dictator was in charge of brexit you wouldn't be sucking their dick all the same.

>Such as?
Such as literally every fucking thing in a representative democracy. The only thing people vote for in the UK are their local representatives every 2 years and for governing party every 5. You don't get to vote on any of bills that get passed, you have no say on any parliament dealings beyond a shitty petition that has no impact. You essentially put your trust into the hands of Tyrants I guess, by your own logic.

Because we respect democracy. People voted for something, it has not been delivered yet.

If remain is so confident they'd win another referendum then why don't they wait until we've left the EU, then campaign on having a referendum on rejoining the EU? That is how democracy works.

Jews will make it happen

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yes, idiots who hated the Tory toffs and wanted to stick one to the prime minister voted to... do exactly wha tthe Tory party wanted.

that is exactly why this was not a decision to be made by a piffling majority vote, and not a binding vote. Cameron should have made it clear it was not constituionally binding, adn that unless it ws a clear 60 or 66% majority for one side the vote would not be held to be binding even in moral terms.

they stopped scottish independence despite a 50% plus vote for it, as they required a 60% vote for such a huge constitutional change - leaving the EU is even bigger.

I hope not,

you need to open your borders for us.

we want to bring you our culture

and

educate your young woman in African love.

Now you're just making shit up and trying to change the rules to favour you and what you want. That isn't how it works in the UK.

Also, 55% of people voted in the 2014 Scottish Independence referendum to remain part of the UK.

That's such a elitist notion, that the commoners are too stupid to know what they're voting for.

so why are all the leave groups against it?

why not do it adn get a real mandate?

it is only the remain side that want a vote - why do the Leave guys run scared?

>the commoners are too stupid to know what they're voting for
Unironically this.

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Not French not Jewish just a liar lol or a useful idiot, check your info on the Scottish referendum and stop speaking as if you understand or know why voters voted how they did, its less than anecdotal to do so.

>People voted for something,
no they voted for a dozen different things which are not being delivered. the deal, or the no deal exit, currently on offer are not what was offered in the Leave campaign.

until you can show me the 3350 million quid every week then you are not satisfying democracy - you are just using votes suborned with lies.

>You faggots only care about democracy when it suits you.
Who is "you faggots"? You're making a bunch of assumptions based off nothing.
>Don't pretend that if a dictator was in charge of brexit you wouldn't be sucking their dick all the same.
Jow Forums might, but I'm not Jow Forums.

>The only thing people vote for in the UK are their local representatives every 2 years and for governing party every 5.
Do you think people vote based on the colours of the party you fucking braindead moron? People come to their own conclusions about the issues that the parties speak about and vote based off that, in the hopes that the parties will respect that wish. People voted UKIP because they have opinions on economic issues, not because they liked the name.
>You essentially put your trust into the hands of Tyrants I guess, by your own logic.
Yes, representative democracy has an issue where they don't truly represent the people. But the people can vote MPs out if they're unsatisfied and believe they have done a bad job. Its not like MPs stay and the people have no influence

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He's French. Politics in France are backwards from the US/UK.
In the US/UK, the leaders exist to serve the country and it's people.
In France (and much of Europe) the people and country exists to serve their leaders.

It doesn’t work here pal, the goyim know.

>campaign on having a referendum on rejoining the EU?

because we all know that we would get a shitty deal on rejoining. We have agreat deal now as members - privileges adn power that others do not ahve. Leave adn come back adn it will be a shit deal. For a start it will require joining the Euro.

It would be better for France if the UK is out of the EU, the EU would be dominated by France-Germany and they could create their own Empire.

how it works in the Uk is that referenda have no constitutional place at all, and are not binding on Parliament which is sovereign.

yes I am unashamedly elitist. I firmly think you should have a 100plus IQ to get the vote.

I firmly believe that lying bastards like Farage and Johnson should hang (or at the very least be banned from public office for life)

oh and as it says in the name fag thing.. NOT FRENCH

actually communism is ubiquitous with top-down power and redistribution of wealth, alongside stifling the political concerns of people you disagree with. No need to go full commie, you're already there you authoritarian fuck

The options were to leave or remain. People voted to leave. We haven't left yet.
We were not voting for a deal or what kind of leave we wanted. Stop trying to move the goal posts.

Also the £350 a week wasn't a lie. The NHS thanks to Brexit is going to be receiving over £600 million extra a week by I think around 2022.

>Leaving and rejoining would give us a shit deal

So? You and all remainers have tried to claim leaving would be a shit deal no matter what, leave still won.

If people want to rejoin the EU, they will elect a party that stands on a manifesto of rejoining and a referendum will be won. If the truth of this is it'll be a shit deal, that is your problem.

European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 is however legally binding and part of UK law, and it states we will be leaving the EU.
I guess you're also going to ignore the fact that 80% of MPs currently in parliament campaigned on a manifesto of delivering Brexit by leaving the EU.

*calls you a letterbox*

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my bad, I was speaking from memory
I was thinking of this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Scottish_devolution_referendum

but leave got more votes. it's not democracy if you don't respect majority will, you can't spin this another way. it's not secretly more democratic to honor the minority vote because of their feelings. the only time this happens is when there is an overreaching authoritative state that decides the people voted wrong.

read the name, idiot

Lol you’re a major piece of shot. Why is 60% a “real mandate”? Why not make it 65% that sounds more real to me. No fuck off the people voted and all that was needed was a simple majority, and if you don’t like then too bad those were the rules. You should have won and can’t keep complaining now, and if the roles were reversed you obviously wouldn’t be campaigning for a second vote to “confirm” staying in the EU.

which is one reason I oppose Brexit...

>Also the £350 a week wasn't a lie. The NHS thanks to Brexit is going to be receiving over £600 million extra a week by I think around 2022.

and that is a lie.

that is not money because of Brexit. the UK treasury and public has lost billions because of Brexit, and that money is coming from a depleted tax revenue - cuts elsewhere are paying for it.

you know it was lie, why are you lying?

>If the truth of this is it'll be a shit deal, that is your problem.

no that will be problem of the whole of the UK.

allowing the country to shoot itself in the foot is an act of gross irresponsibility. It is parliament's job to serve the public interest. this is not in the public interest.

this entire fuckup was because Cameron needed to settle internal party divisions and save his party. That backfired, and the whole country (as usual) is paying for Tory party mistake.

The extra funding to the NHS is literally called the "Brexit Dividend".

>I guess you're also going to ignore the fact that 80% of MPs currently in parliament campaigned on a manifesto of delivering Brexit by leaving the EU.

which is a fucking disgrace yes. Given that the majority think it is a stupid idea and should have had the balls to say so and kill the whole thing. Yes they might have lost their seats int the next election, but they are supposed to be there for the good of the country, not just their party or their own pockets.

>We shouldn't be allowed to leave because it's a shit deal
>But when we do leave it's not fair that rejoining will be a shit deal we can't win a campaign or referendum like that

We knew leaving would be a shit deal. Since the referendum was announced people were saying leaving would hit our economy especially in the short run. Leave still won.

37% isnt a majority

"Cast Iron" Dave wouldn't have been PM without the referendum because UKIP were polling at 20-25% before he pledged it. Maybe if Jew Labour had kept their promise on a referendum on the EU Constitution/Lisbon Treaty instead of signing it in a back room away from the cameras we wouldn't be in this situation, but there we are. This is the future EU fanatics chose.

Totally agree with you mate , all the lies project fear spouted , those people should hang also .
Quick question , what did farage lie about ?

wow, and you believe it?

just tell us how that money has been generated by Brexit? where does it come from? (hint: falling value of the pound, falling internal adn external reveues for the governemtn, rising costs for the entire country, falling tax take - raising funding for one part of the public expenditure means either borrowing to pay for it, or cutting spending elsewhere, or both - Brexit isn't contributing to this. )

You really shouldn't have a vote.

>37% isnt a majority

>we need to take into account all the people that cared so little that they didn't even vote!

End yourself

The traitors who campaigned with a mandate of leaving the EU but are now trying to keep us in wont win another election. Infact many of them are facing deselection precisely because they lied (that is right, a bunch of remainers lied to win an election). Had they told the truth, they'd have never been elected and a leaver would be sat in their place now (and we'd probably be out of the EU already).

The thing you fail to understand is the people of this country dictate it's future, not politicians. When it's not done through a referendum, it's done through an election. People want to leave, which is why 80% of our parliament was suppose to be leavers (but many are remainers who lied to win an election).

yes, which is exactly why the vote should have been clearly laid out to be non binding unless an actual majority of the voters in the country (so 66% win on 65% turnout) was achieved, because allowing 37% of the voters to make such a fucking stupid choice is a bad idea.

>you faggots
Yes, you boomers, conservatives, right wingers, brexiteers. You all have the same exact talking points, and beliefs rooted in the same shit.
>Jow Forums might but i'm not Jow Forums
Congratulations for being an individual snowflake that is at least pretending to have logical consistency. Too bad there are 1000 retards for every one of you.

>Do you think people vote on the colours of the party
Yes. They also vote on who is the most "handsome", aka the 2015 elections with David Cameron. They vote based on what propaganda is written in their local papers. They vote based on how people around them vote. 9/10 people have never read a single line of their chosen party manifesto. You don't win elections on policy, this has never been the case and never will be. Because people are not interest in politics, beyond the surface tribalist bullshit of my side vs your side. And then when things get really bad and the general public actually starts to care again, they'll vote for whoever promises them "change". In come the populists who promise to "drain the swamp", and we all know how that's going.

>People voted ukip because economic issues
No, people voted ukip because they hate foreigners and they did a good job capitalising on the 2015 immigration crisis which barely affected the UK. Also, UKIP still didn't manage to get a single seat in parliament.

>The people can vote MPs out.
And now people feel the need to express their feelings on the current state of brexit after 3 years of complete failiure.

No I dont now

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just search for Farage lies

plenty of hits

yes. Because democracy of rule by the people for the people, not just rule by a small mob who turned out.

>well the first one was on a stupidly phrased question

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kys yourself retarded jew lmao. you hadfone chance to unfuck yourself and you blew it. If I ever become president I'm going to starve you to death lmao. :^)

>People want to leave,
idiots want to leave, because they have been told lies by powerhungry greedy fucks.

>huffpo

And yet you also claim to want to limit the vote. Are you feeling okay? How's that cognitive dissonance working out for you?

Floridians don’t know how to punch holes. Muh hanging chads. Soros funded electronic voting for the entire country!

What planet do you live on where politicians stand for anything other than their careers lol.
You also talk about all the pro-Brexit lies spread before the vote, in that case we should never hold another election ever again cause people lie to get into power then hurt Britain

More people voted to leave than voted to remain. If you don't vote you're essentially agreeing with whatever the result is. You had the chance to vote and didn't.

Besides, only 34% or so of people voted to remain. 66% didn't vote to remain which is a two thirds majority. If they didn't vote to remain then I guess that means they wanted to leave.

Name one election in recent history that didn't involve greedy fucks lying to get into power?

always funny to hear how butthurt you Brussels cocksuckers are. lost control of your npcs to the "populists" have you? what particular lies were these?

Remainers lied just as much and also violated spending rules by a much larger margin.

Huffpost , oh dear , now all becomes clear .
Anyway , about all those project fear lies and all the stories about EU corruption and incompetence , care to be objective ?

>you boomers, conservatives, right wingers, brexiteers.
I'm neither a boomer or a conservative. I'm pretty centrist actually.
>Too bad there are 1000 retards for every one of you.
Oopsie, too bad its only us having a conversation so we can't strawman about how the other "side" vaguely supports shit eh you fucking idiot.

>Yes. They also vote on who is the most "handsome"
The fact that some people are retards doesn't invalidate the entire institution of Democracy. There is not a single viable alternative system that doesn't result in mass bloodshed.

>No, people voted ukip because they hate foreigners and they did a good job capitalising on the 2015 immigration crisis which barely affected the UK.
Immigration is a socio-cultural and economic issue, you mong.
>Also, UKIP still didn't manage to get a single seat in parliament.
Because of the FPTP voting system. They were the third largest party with something like 12% of the vote.
>And now people feel the need to express their feelings on the current state of brexit after 3 years of complete failiure.
Okay. That's fine

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yes a stupidly vague question.

Leave campaigners were saying that it didn't mean leave the common market, the free trade area, the customs union, the erasmus scheme the... just about anything that the EU actually provided. Leavers said we could have all the goods stuff. just not pay the fees.

and then lied about the fees.

Well you know how to fix that right? We just throw democracy out the window then give supreme power over our arseholes to the EU. Cause they are so fot the people they wont scr.... This message has been blocked due to article 17 of EUCR. The new European army has been notified.

in fact I would say 90% plus could not tell you what that means. I would bet you would get twenty different answers if you asked twenty different people
.

First one isn't true though I wouldn't be surprised if the second is.

My only problem with Brexit is that you believe it's Britain taking back it's sovereignty. Brits will gain more control over public affairs but at the cost of being much less able to enforce it in the face of multinationals and other powerful actors.

You also forget that the British government is the number one force driving the influx of migrants to squash wages (everyone knows by now that the labor market is incredibly responsive to changes in demand and supply for and of labor) and keep the GDP numbers up (it's literally by design), what do Brits think will happen once Eastern Euros stop going there? Someone will have to fill in the gap, and let me tell you Islamabad will have nothing on your cities by then.

no one was in any doubt that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market and the customs union and the european court of (((justice))). leaving the EU means eaving the institutions of the EU. the whole idea that there were "soft" and "hard" brexits available was remoaner propaganda which began about 6 hours after the result and spread incessantly for the next 3 years to try and gaslight the public

original democratic systems had limited voting to the competent to vote.

given that the majority are rarely actually competent, a universal democracy is a bad idea.

I have no cognitive dissonance.

I think the current court case against that lying fucker Johnson is great thing. there shoud be more of them.

we should not accept that politicians so readily lie. that is a disservice to democracy

does not make it right or good, or respectable

Wrong.

The actual thing people were saying was that leaving the EU would hurt the UK economically, especially in the short run, but that it would allow us in the long run to decide our own fate and to negotiate our own deals which could be better than what we have with the EU right now.

>First one isn't true

It's so true that remainers even brought EU politicians over to the UK to explain how bad leaving would supposedly be.
Short list of their lies...
There would be an emergency budget.
It would cost every household in the UK £4300.
Our stock market would collapse.
We'd enter a recession.
Unemployment would rise.
Interest rates would go up.
The EU doesn't want it's own military.

I could probably go on for days. But these are just a few of the lies that remainers spread during the time of the referendum.

>Remainers lied just as much and also violated spending rules by a much larger margin.

proof of either of those claims?