Can we have a serious discussion on the topic of "American identity"?
In the past several decades, it seems that being of mixed ancestry is integral to being American. This first began with the notion of being mixed with some type of American-Indian, which is where you get a lot of people claiming their grandmother or great grandmother was a Cherokee Princess. More recently, having a very mixed ancestry (black+white+asian+etc) makes you more uniquely American.
To be American, do you have to be some type of racial, global patchwork, reflecting America being a nation of immigrants?
white americans are pretty "diverse" like where I was born mostly everyone is a mix of german with miscellaneous slav admixture
Nicholas Garcia
Is being of mixed ancestry integral to being "American" though?
Connor Stewart
There is definitely no broadly accepted view that being 'mixed' makes one more American than any other group other than some progressive divisive shit that no one has heard of.
Justin Brooks
Why is claiming to be part American-Indian so common in the South and Midwest then?
Thomas Miller
I forgot to note the significance of the union between John Rolfe and Pocahontas, whose bloodlines flew through much of the pre-Civil War leadership of the country.
>George Washington's son in law married a Pocahontas descendant >Thomas Jefferson's daughter married a Pocahontas descendant >Robert E Lee married a Pocahontas descedant >Woodrow Wilson married a Pocahontas descendant
Nathaniel Ward
ITS OKAY TO BE AMERICAN
Parker Allen
It started as a way to get farmland or benefits during certain reparation periods, then the grandchildren took it literal because they heard it. This happens in almost every family of anyone I know, even if blonde-hair blue-eyed, but it's not the whole family... usually just one branch and all the others laugh and no it's bullshit.
Jonathan Diaz
>but it's not the whole family... usually just one branch Doesn't it become an integral part of their identity, however? Also, why do Americans like to "laundry list" their ancestries, even making sure to mention the things they are only 1/1024th descended from? I can't tell you how many "German" Americans I've run into that are only 3/64th German or less. Same thing with "Dutch" Americans, who will only have an ancestor or two from the 1600's.
Josiah Torres
Most of us in the South are still Anglo-Celtic, minus the niggers
Camden Robinson
Bobby Lee’s wife was not injun lol but she was his cousin
Chase Edwards
It all depends on the family in question. Some people tend to prioritize their maternal or paternal lineage instead of both if they have a falling out with one parent.
Ironically, you see plenty of people that you can almost guarantee have native ancestry, yet they will never say it because they really have no clue. Most of the people that say they do have zero.
Dylan Brown
She was still descended through Pocahontas; I believe through a Randolph line.
>Ironically, you see plenty of people that you can almost guarantee have native ancestry What region do you live in? Is is very mixed there?
Tyler Evans
I'm in the southeast. I'd say it's 75% unmixed. However, you meet people here and there that seem to have some native ancestry. they still look mostly white, and would pass to the untrained eye though. likely distant ancestry, or recent mixing with someone who has distant ancestry. they identify as white, and i see no reason for them not to, considering they are white, and come from a long line of whites. more often than not it tends to be people from very poor backgrounds, not just lower-middle class, which would make sense considering natives are almost always dirt poor to this day.
Easton Brooks
So in a few generations, everyone in the South will be of mixed ancestry, besides some members of the upper class? Perhaps some of that "Indian" ancestry is even black. There was a phenomena where quadroons would claim Indian ancestry to avoid Jim Crow laws.
Adam Jones
I wouldn't necessarily say that. imagine a "aryan" has a child with a very european looking mexican. the baby will look 100% white 9 out of 10 times. this explains what i refer to with the distant native ancestry. it gets diluted more and more when another white breeds with that bloodline.
Jayden Gutierrez
that is why you are seeing increasingly more babies with blue eyes and pale skin that have one parent with substantial mexican ancestry.
Michael Cooper
But then all of the blood lines eventually become mixed, and throughout the generations, nonwhite features, both African and American-Indian will appear.
Michael Evans
They are still visibly nonwhite in terms of facial features.
Leo Wilson
it would be starting from a "white-heavy" bias though, so it would take quite some time.
the way things are going, people are starting to frown upon race-mixing in america now. even latinos and blacks. the only mixing i would say is growing, is "white-latinos" and whites, you see that quite a lot lately. the children look white.
Isaac Myers
half the time they aren't.
Samuel Bennett
>the only mixing i would say is growing, is "white-latinos" and whites, you see that quite a lot lately. the children look white. They don't look pure. There is a guy in my college classes(who's both parents are from Germany) and he visibly looks whiter than Americans. Stronger bone structure, still has blonde hair(where most amerimutts' hair get darker with age), etc.
Juan Cruz
germans is known for it's "bone structure" though so that's not a fair comparison. half of germany has what would be considered "weird" bone structure to anyone west of them.
We can use Anglos from England as the comparison then. In England, you notice that most people have longer noses(often aquiline); whereas, Anglo Americans most often have small noses, likely due to African and Indian admixture.
Daniel Brooks
the darker hair with age thing is literally a european trait as much as anyone. most kids in britain and ireland, netherlands, germany, etc are blonde as a kid then brown haired as adults.
Jonathan Sanchez
Probably because the government and media actively suppresses people being proud of being white, so they have to resort to some sort of delusion.
Charles Harris
that isn't true. there are multiple "common looking" groups in the british isles due to them being, anglo-saxons and celts.
Christian Gutierrez
I recently went through North-Western Europe, and most older people had blonde hair.
This other user is saying that 1/4th of "white" Southerns are mixed African and Indian.
They both have longer noses. Anglo-Saxons have aquiline noses(due to influence from Rome and Normans) and Celts have long noses, but are more straight, just look at the Welsh who are probably the most Celtic.
britain has so many different "common" looks due to the literal history. scandinavians, anglo-saxons, celts, iberians. trust me, i've been. i'll post some looks i think are common, in terms of facial features
Nevertheless, long noses are most common there, small noses are most common in Anglo-Americans here.
Also, Green and Blue eyes, as well as blonde hair, are significantly more common in Britain than among Anglo-Americans. I can't remember the exact rate, but it's more than double in Britain, if I'm not mistaken.
The Emperor is Pontic Greek though, not amerimutt.
Dylan Butler
It's not true. Small noses are common amongst celts, even though long noses are too. English people can even have them, although i'd say longer noses are more common. You can look at a brit and tell if they have a lot of celtic ancestry.
all these people look british, yet they are so different.
All of these noses, except for the center guy, have much longer noses than amerimutts. Talking about Celts is pointless, also. Most Anglo-Americans are descended from Anglo-Saxons, not Celts. The exception to this are the Scots-Irish who settled around West Virginia, and surrounding areas, but that blood has also been vastly diluted. They are now over 80% English/Anglo-Saxon, based upon the trees I've seen.
Adrian Jenkins
where are you seeing these people? midwest? PA? dutch and germans are there.
Isaac Stewart
The center guy still looks distinct from amerimutts. Amerimutts generally have very roundish faces, similar to Mexicans(who are also a mixed African-Indian population). The center guy has fairly well defined features.
Robert Cook
I'm in California, where 90% of whites here are almost entirely Anglo-America, with limited German ancestry(1/16th would generally be the max.)
Zachary Ortiz
I found out that I am basically 95% European, 2% Jewish, 2% other Middle Eastern, and 1% Native American. I look like pic-related guy.
>To be American, do you have to be some type of racial, global patchwork, reflecting America being a nation of immigrants? No.
Evan Wilson
california whites almost always have some mexican ancestry. they never look like whites from the east coast, and especially the southeast. there is your problem.
Kevin Hernandez
>2% Jewish, 2% other Middle Eastern This would be excusable.
>1% Native American Gross.
>I look like pic-related guy. Doubt. post pics or you are lying.
Dominic Lee
>california whites almost always have some mexican ancestry Not true. I've seen a bunch of family trees. There was a very limited and segregated Mestizo population here, until a few decades ago.
William Cox
Only the wealthy californian families aren't mixed. you have to understand, california was a viable living location LONG after people were already mixing. unless the family is rich, their tree is probably bogus.
Josiah Kelly
I can always spot a "california white" as a southerner. trust me on that. they look like an iberian, even if lighter hair and eyes.
Eli Howard
Post any evidence of mixing with Mestizos. None of the Anglos here have any "Spanish" ancestry. Also, on the very, very rare occasion one of them has a grand parent who is Mestizo, they never shut up about their Mexican pride.
Christian Evans
like i said, i can spot the "average" californian white. you even back up my claim, because the short nose you describe fits the bill. it's a short narrow nose without the bump on the bridge. they can even be blonde haired, blue eyed.
Ian Reyes
Lots of California (And Oregon, Washington, and also New York) White guys kind of remind me of this guy; if not in looks much, in their weird nu-male behaviors. I saw a lot of guys that basically looked or acted a little more low-key like that while in college.
oregon and washington have fuck tons of german ancestry. i don't see them anything like californians, other than politics
Lincoln Powell
The 23andme admixture maps didn't show more admixture in California. Most admixture was actually centered around the South. Maybe you guys have slightly longer noses, since Afro-Creoles had some French ancestry, and the French have aquiline noses.
That guy does fit the common look here, spot on in looks and behavior. Good find.
Ian Ross
>oregon and washington have fuck tons of german ancestry You just go by what people say. Look at any family tree from people there, along with migration patterns. They will be 3/64th German max, but claim they are half German or something. Those states are strictly Anglo.
John Jackson
french are only in the louisians area in any real numbers.
Adrian Lewis
I'm telling you for a fact. most of the whites you meet in the pnw have german surnames.
Aaron Perez
atleast in certain areas i know of.
Connor King
The Creoles with 1/4th or less African ancestry spread to other states, so they could pass as white. They needed to leave their locales where they could be recognized. Look into "passing."
That's exactly my point. They have German surnames but are barely German. Look into any of their family trees. 3/64th German max, and 1/64th of that will be some French immigrant from the 1830's who pretended to be German to fit in.
Aaron Cox
No, you have to be a white person who was born and culturally assimilated into American culture. I think eventually, we'll go the way the English did and just form an American ethnicity from white americans.
Nicholas Cook
well, from va down to ga, and as far west as the mississippi, the ancestry is overwhelmingly british isles, with small amounts of dutch from PA, and german. that is where I'm from, and i can spot a californian white from a mile away.
Aiden Peterson
What about all the "white" American-Indians and "white" Mestizos that the Southerner user is talking about?
>and i can spot a californian white from a mile away. Maybe because coastal Southerners are the most mixed? Lots of early mixing in the early colonial period, prior to the 1700's.
Jeremiah Rogers
Americans are a hopeless cause, we may as well accelerate the transfer of power over to the Chinese. Only Germans ever put up a fight against jewish cultural marxism, Americans who are filthy, swallowed it whole.
Adrian Kelly
>Only Germans ever put up a fight against jewish cultural marxism, Americans who are filthy, swallowed it whole. True, lmao.
Isaac James
Opposite in my opinion. Racism was common here if you didn't know. California, not so much. Most of us are unmixed. Only in urban areas, you have to remember that most of the southeast is rural-suburban, or entirely rural.
Lincoln Kelly
>Racism was common here if you didn't know. >Most of us are unmixed. Yet 25% of you guys are visibly mixed, by your own admission earlier.
>California, not so much. The racism here is strong, but very implicit. If I meet a new family, without wearing my hijab, I'll hear some really awful things about muslims if the topic of conversation ever gets to politics. Even from "liberal" families this is the case, often more so from them.
Caleb Myers
californians openly mingle and date mestizos, almost as if they didn't know they weren't white.
Aiden Robinson
Friendly reminder all threads concerning Jews are capped at 150 or less by Fed gov
Leo Allen
>californians openly mingle and date mestizos Only as of recent you see this a little bit, and it's mostly just white guys with Mestizoid girls. I blame the thicc meme for this. Most whites will go out of their way to find a white bf/gf. My local area is not majority white, but most white couples are wmwf.
What do you mean by this?
Landon Morales
I think the "iberian Californian" look might just be Jews who you are mistaking as white. LOTS of Jews here.
Josiah Carter
Shitskins are not Americans and never were. All Jews and non-whites should be removed from the United States en masse, starting with OP.
>starting with OP I'm Persian and Albanian-"Syrian" (Muhacir who moved to Syria some time ago, but are completely Albanian.)
I'm just trying to understand this all, as I don't want my Aryan eggs to get corrupted by accidentally marrying a non-Aryan, assuming I can't get the German guy at my uni to convert to Islam and marry me (fingers crossed :x )
I gladly would like to leave this place, but can't. Hopefully I can get this guy in my class to fall for me and become Shia :3 Both of his parent's are from Germany and he has German citizenship, so hopefully we can help repopulate Germany with lots of our Aryan babies!
I think he might be redpilled even. He claims just to be liberal, but I think he's just trying not to offend me, because I wear a hijab and he might just mistake muslims for also being liberals or something. I asked him last week what he thinks about Hitler, and he got surprised by this, but I think in a way that he's trying "to hide his power level." He says he doesn't like Hitler, but I think he's lying lol
Being mixed doesn't make you American. If you become mixed in Europe and move here I wouldn't consider you American.
William Hughes
What if they mixed in America?
Landon Moore
>visibly nonwhite I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
Levi Diaz
As I said earlier, amerimutts have strange, round heads, similar to Mexicans, likely due to Afro-Indian admixture, which Mexicans also have.
Matthew Torres
Wow, so you have the ability to determine admixture by sight?
Juan Martinez
Look at it this way. The white race is like a fine wine. If you put even a little bit of dirt into that wine, it ruins it all. Just a small amount of mixture turns what would be a white person into an ugly goblin-esque creature.
Nevertheless, I reckon that when a person's entire face shape looks completely different from Europeans, that admixture is a bit more than slight, and is easily visible.
Gabriel Perry
there is no such thing as american identity aside from being a cultureless consumerist mutt. stoke the flames of hatred. take down the republic. #OperationFireRising