Gnosticism, Kabbalah and Freemasonry - (((Their))) Religion

Lets start with Gnosticism
Gnostics think that there is the Monad, the one, the true God so to speak. From him comes Sophia the spirit and somewhere down the line Yaldabaoth. Yaldabaoth is the So called Demiurge that created this fake reality, depending on who you ask out of evilness or confusion and is the cause for our limitations and ultimately death and traps us in here through rebirth LARPing as the real God.
However now comes the hook up. While these seems like an obvious hint to Yaldabaoth being Satan, being the cause of death, the reason for our fall (entrapment in this reality) and ruling this world through lies, fear and temptation Gnostics now claim that the God of the OT is this Demiurge, and that Jesus is Lucifer is the Serpent in Eden send by the Monad/true God to free us from the Demiurge that wanted us dumb (forbidding the fruit of knowledge of good and evil) and oppressed us and was a tyrant with his "unnecessary" strict law. Its an effort to seperate the OT from the NT but Jesus himself says
>17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
So why would Jesus, send by the real God want to fulfill the law and prophets of the OT send by the false God? Obviously this doesnt make sense and shows OT God and Jesus are on the same side, the serpent even gets identified in revelations as Satan
>2He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Its an effort to get rid of the commandments and guidelines of the OT, watering down the traditions and ultimately make us fall from the right path by promising liberation much like SJW do. (Cant say often enough that Satan will come as a SJW promising freedom from Gods oppressive and useless laws)

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Isn't there 3 different interpretations of the demiurge? 1 good, 1 neutral, 1 evil? that's what wiki says, depends on which version.

Now you probably think "Ok, but how do we know the Elite actually practices this in any way?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_string_(Kabbalah)
>Wearing a thin scarlet or crimson string (Hebrew: חוט השני) as a type of talisman is a Jewish folk custom as a way to ward off misfortune brought about by the "evil eye" (Hebrew: עין הרע). The tradition is popularly thought to be associated with Kabbalah and religious forms of Judaism.
>The red string itself is usually made from thin scarlet wool thread. It is worn as a bracelet or band on the left wrist of the wearer (understood in some Kabbalistic theory as the receiving side of the spiritual body), knotted seven times. The person has to knot it 7 times while saying the kabbalah bracelet prayer.
And you just need to look at how many of the celebs and politicians have such one. As for the purpose and way its supposed to work i can only speculate, however:

>27 - And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb.
>28 - And it came to pass, when she travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon his hand a scarlet thread, saying, This came out first.
Red string symbolizes the first born on this Story. Similary Esau (who I believe is the progenitor of the kikes as I believe them to be Edomitic imposters) sold his birthright as firstborn to his brother for some soup and drink who then brought forth the 12 Tribes of Israel. Esau got mad and I believe white genocide is basically them trying to reclaim the birthright by eliminating those with the blessing. As such the string is basically meant to say that they are the rightfull chosen people as they come from the line of the firstborn.

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Now if you read carefully here you may picked something up.
>created a fake reality we are meant to escape.
Now how many out there of the celebs are currently pushing the Simulation theory? This theory is basically the same as Bibles Genesis with a few major changes.
>makes the creator (the all mighty God) into some pleb outside the simulation denying him divinity and us purpose
>substitutes the spiritual realm/heaven with another layer of the material one outside the simulation
>depending on the branch of Simulation Theory you get instead of Satan wispering temptation, lies and fear into your mind Saturn casting this fake reality.
Its basically admitting to the creation story while trying to get rid of any purpose or divinity turning us into materialistic, hedonistic or nihilistic consumerist drones.
Gnosticism additionally says this "pleb outside the simulation" is basically Satan. As such you now know where the Simulation Theory push comes from.
Incidently the Freemasons think of the universe as a machine, purely mechanical and a simulated one would be exactly that.

As far as I know some see him as evil guy trying to opress us and feed on us, others see him more of a confused guy that thinks he is right, maybe even doing good but actually mistaken, which is somewhat the view I have on Satan, thinking he is right in his blindness caused by the ego

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The Kabballah Tree of Life is basically a skilltree, similar to the chakra system. each of the circles references a "skill" or concept to be unlocked which the each influence another based on how a point is skilled. To unlock the next you must unlock the one before starting at the bottom. You can take the left or the right path or at the optimum a balanced one. left and right are opposed to another, they are represented by the 2 pillars in freemasonry, Boaz and Jachin and symbolize the duality of this world. good and evil, light and dark, strength and beauty, and supposedly you can achive godhood/God by reaching the top. Now this is very important: You cant.
Kabballist or gnostics usually try to push moral relativity. For example where gnostics say "All is one, one is all, thus God is also evil and i can find him through that just as i can find him through good" or through "God is merely a ruleset, the laws of nature and has no will, thus there is no absolute authority there saying what is good and evil and thus my definition is as good as the next one". Similary Kabbalists try to argue you need to do both, good and evil to find the middle path that leads right to God.
Lets look what the serpent baited Eve with
>5“For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
>you will be like God
Godhood through works/knowledge, and look where this brought us to. The only way Gnosis/knowledge leads to Godhood/salvation is by realizing that there is one true God and that only he can save you, and that this is Jesus Christ. All roads lead to rome and as such all logic leads to God.

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iE with Chakra
the root chakra is your survival instincts. only if you rose above the constant fear of death you are able to actually process new experiences and evaluate them, see them from all angles outside of the threat they pose (sacral chakra), after that comes the solar plexus chakra responsible for our self esteem and self worth for which we have to see us in context of the new experiences and how we handle those. only once you love and value yourself you can start loving others (heart chakra), and love goes through the stomach, solar plexus>heart. next comes the throat chakra and the best speaches are those done by talking from your heart, what you truely care about and communication is the job of the throat chakra. Once you can formulate the truth properly there comes understanding and insight, the third eye chakra, and from this understanding you realize that everything is connected with another, the crown chakra

by putting you in a constant state of fear and anxiety they lock you in the lowest state of conciousness, occupied only with survival unable to really process any experiences. Early traumata like circumcission can alter your brain enough to effect your entire life.
All the fear propaganda all around merely is there to lock you into the lowest state of conciousness controlled by fear.

There is also the reptillian brain in charge of pretty much the same as the root chakra, survival instinct. Some people are "entirely" controlled by this area in the brain with every act only being there for survival. Stealing money from some guy, or even murdering people that threaten your lifestyle. The temptations of the flesh. The abuse and sodomy affecting the lowest chakra which is the easiest effected (iE through sodomy) due to its connection with the material.

The Serpent is a common symbol for evil because just as this chakra and conciousness is the lowest so is the snake crawling at the lowest on the ground representing the conciousness of the individual

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Some problem of the gnostic philosophy shown on the example of Alchemy.
The concept of turning lead into gold I feel is widely misrepresented
Gold is usually associated with the Sun, which also is associated with God (lots of symbolism around light and the sun around Jesus and God), Lead on the other hand is associated with Saturn, the furthest planet from the sun you can see with the naked eye and thus is an opposite of God, Satan (quite some connections between Saturn and Satan actually)
Now turning lead into gold gets more possible interpretations. it could be
>turning your bad habbits, your satans, the lead, into gold, improving yourself.
>taking the bad habits and declaring that lead to be gold, following the inversed path of God, satanism
>taking saturn and making it your sun, making Satan your god (symbolically done by the USAs national seal for example which has the depcition of ra, an eagle holding up the solar disc, the sun, and inside a "star of david" formed by 13 smaller stars declaring Saturn their Sun
>generally taking the lowest state of anything (lead) and raising its state to something higher, to gold, symbolizing ascention.
now all of these are "legit" ways of the principle "lead into gold" and all are hermetic, transformational, but some are corrupted, and other are positive, but all are valuable options in gnosticism.
Similary there is the concept of uniting polar opposite believe to cause magic. You can have Sex, uniting the male and female creating a new life, or you cut your dick off and become a tranny, uniting the 2 in that way (Hermaphrodites) ultimately resulting in suicide and the genetic dead end being a unification of death and ruin.
Left Hand Path and Right Hand Path

However in Freemasonry its fairly obvious they go the negative path. At least when you reach the higher echolons. Lower ones are mostly useful idiots helping to disguise it as gentlemens club that they think it is.

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I believe Lucifer is just Satan before the fall
The serpent in Eden is identified as Satan
>2He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Revelation describes Michael BTFOing Satan and throwing him to earth. Earlier Satans fall is described
>18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
which i believe is a good link of Michael to Jupiterian deities and likely this is what Jesus related to when saying he is the morningstar.

Eitherway we can say from this that the serpent is satan is the dragon is a fallen angel.
Lucifer brings knowledge, the serpent did exactly this, so we can assume that Lucifer is Satan as well.
The aztecs have Quetzacoatl, the feathered serpent that brought them knowledge, like the serpent in Eden, and he is identified as the planet Venus which is Lucifer when appearing as morningstar

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
>Lucifer (/ˈljuːsJfər/ LEW-si-fər) is a name that, according to dictionaries of the English language, refers either to the Devil or to the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star.
Just like the Venus, associated with Lucifer, and even called Lucifer when appearing as morning star, The Lucifer will at some point not the morningstar anymore, not Lucifer, Satan that was Lucifer and then fell.
Same as the Pentagram, which gets drawn with the Earth and Venus, can be a symbol of protection (when pointing up) or of evil (when pointing down) having the same symbolism behind it as the planet Venus and Lucifer/Satan has

The 2 (Venus and Saturn) being connected (via Lucifer-Satan) gives also then some connections to the bull symbolism of moloch when he ruled possibly back then still as lucifer and thus is the golden calf as Venus is the planet that rules over Taurus

Also relating to this is Prometheus who brought the fire (knowledge) and because of this Pandora (a woman like Eve) unleashed all the Evil (Sin)

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>ctrl+f
>druid
>archon
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Reading uninitiated faggots drivel on about esoteric subjects they have no fucking clue about on Jow Forums is the worst thing you can do to yourself if you actually want to understand this stuff.

You know, you can always add stuff yourself when i missed something. Also Archons are basically spirits/thoughtforms that latch onto you and absorb energy, or not? Basically spirituals vampires or demons.

DEAR SCHIZO: BULLET POINTS. NO MORE THAN 10 WORDS PER SENTENCE. GET TO THE POINT AND PRIORITIZE KEY INFORMATION.

No, they are mostly fallen angels, but it depends on which historical sect you ask. Read a book or three about gnosticism before you post this shit.

fallen angels are not much different to the demons i would say, just a step higher on the hierachy. Similary I believe the reptillian ayy abductions to be of the fallen angels where as the greyy ayy abductions are demons being basically in the same category.

>condense ancient wisdom that people study for years without finding it all into one short post
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>fallen angels are not much different to the demons i would say, just a step higher on the hierachy.
That's not a gnostic belief, go read the gnostic texts. This hodge-podge of half-learnt shit you've cobbled together doesn't even make sense in your own head.

me saying they are not much different is my own believe based on the issue that Fallen Angels created the Demons as they are the spirits of Nephillim, the children of Fallen Angels and Humans, and based on the similarity on how their encounters go. Obviously the Angels had a role to fulfill and a purpose, and differ between another as well, but for our purposes, as far as our interactions go Demons and Fallen Angels are pretty much the same.

Nobody is actually a gnostic aside from a few schizos on /x/, it's a meme.

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ignore the shills, newfags and low IQ.. tho they make up for ~95% of Jow Forums atm.

>Its basically admitting to the creation story while trying to get rid of any purpose or divinity turning us into materialistic, hedonistic or nihilistic consumerist drones.
GermanProxy thread number 45.

This is a good topic and the only one of your threads I've liked but you need to do harder research before you make them, this qoute as an example.
The Gnostic (or Great Harlot of Herasies, as the Catholics called them) are very very very antimaterialism. In fact the bible isn't antimaterialism. The very term of material-ism comes from Gnostics. The very idea of a simulation created from light is to trick people into believing we don't live in a material world.

"God created the world and saw that it was good". There is nothing antimaterial in the bible.

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>Incidently the Freemasons think of the universe as a machine, purely mechanical and a simulated one would be exactly that.
Again Another bad qoute from you. The Deist freemasons of the 1700s thought this, not gnostics. They believe God created the world and it was their job to study it. But coming out of a craft/guild of masonry they expressed this as mechanics/math or material nature to be studied. These were the only good freemasons.

Deists = Right Hand Path
Gnostics = Left Hand Path

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That quote was focused on the simulation theory, not the gnosticism, simulationtheory is basically the materialist version of the gnostic story.
Also the Bible is pretty anti materialistic:
1 John 2:
>15Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world.

Romans 8:
> 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
>9You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

John 18:
>36Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now, My kingdom is not of this realm.”
In fact I believe the concept of Satan is based on materialism itself, and that is what Satan tempts you with, with the fears and pleasures stemming from the flesh.

Terrible word really, if gnostics disagree with each other all the time. Too many interpretations. The true gnostic lore is the one that is well and alive today and has been for many centuries. The use of entheogens as mana/flesh of jesus and priests as shamans. Jesus of course being a master shaman and healer.

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What's your oppinion on a healthy diet, please?

>That quote was focused on the simulation theory, not the gnosticism, simulationtheory is basically the materialist version of the gnostic story.
No simulation theory says that the material world doesn't exist and is an illusion.

The Bible is not anti-material because its God's creation. You're speaking Gnostic memes by using the term "material-ism".

John 3:16
>For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Genesis 1:31
>And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

Ecclesiastes 8:15,
>'Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry', and

Isaiah 22:13,
>Let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.'

Eccleasiastes
>“Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun—all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun. Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there

Jesus
>But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

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>In fact I believe the concept of Satan is based on materialism itself
This is a Gnostic teaching of the Demiurge. But like the Bible, Plato who invented the Demiurge consept never said it was evil or satanic in any way.

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New Age hippie crap. Gnosticism was created in Alexandria by Jews fighting with the Platonists

Just got an erection thinking off all the material things heaven will have.

Jews created dozens of christian sects in Alexandria? Think about you said again, because no historian agrees with that notion.

a healthy soul lives in a healthy body. As above, So below. What you bind on earth below you bind in the heaven above. So question is what is a healthy diet, for which I am the wrong guy to ask.

God made the word, and it was good, but ever since the fall of man was corrupted beyond repair that it will be destroyed by fire in the end.
It is also repeatedly implied that Jesus died for the people. Anti Materialism in this sense isnt so much anti-world but anti materialistic values. Being hungry for riches, power, being ruled by the fear of death, the temptation to steal because you might starve if you dont etc. This is what i call materialism, and this is what the Bible is heavily against.
Gnosticism correlates with Christianity quite a bit, but its themes of enabling moral relativism and at least of certain gnostics seperating the OT from the NT is bullshit

>Jews created dozens of christian sects in Alexandria? Think about you said again, because no historian agrees with that notion.
Every SINGLE historian of Gnosticism agrees with that notion. Stop reading new age blogs

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gnostic_sects
Nope, it wasn't all created in Alexandria. Easily disproved what you said.

>God made the word, and it was good, but ever since the fall of man was corrupted beyond repair that it will be destroyed by fire in the end.
You singled out one quote and ignored the meaning to push your gnosticism. Because the anti-materialism of the Luciferians teach what you just said, the bible doesn't. It never teaches that the entire world is evil and all creation and all matter.
God made lots of stuff, and not everything is about man. The moon isn't about man. The sun isn't. The birds aren't. The rocks aren't. The material world is good according to God.

>It is also repeatedly implied that Jesus died for the people.
But Jesus was God made flesh and flesh is bad right user? So Jesus was bad since material is bad. You see the problem you're having is that you can't seperate sin and corruption from the idea of Material-ISM.
BE CAREFUL OF 'isms! Besides materialism is a Gnostic idea.

> Being hungry for riches, power, being ruled by the fear of death, the temptation to steal because you might starve if you dont etc.
A man who steals for bread isn't a sinner, it says so in the bible. I believe Jesus said this so it's strange you brought that up. Just like a bear who steals for bread isn't a sinner.
You need to know the meaning of sin and not just imply it's based on a gnostic ideal of "materialism".

Gnostics say:
>Matter is evil and created by the Demiurge
>Light is good and created by Sophia
>God is the Monad beyond both
You can see how anti-materialism came into play here. While the Satanists point the star of Pythagoras downwards (stealing again from the Platonists who used Pythagoras memes) in order to point to the "evil material world", while Wiccans point it up to the anti-material realm of light. But it's still all gnosticism.

Stop using "material-ism" or show me where that term is in the bible. Otherwise you're just another victim of Gnostic occultism and the New Age project to control language.

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The final redpill is that the Demiurge is an alien along with the angels, and fallen angels (demons). What is referred to as your spirit/soul is your DNA. Not as complicated or exciting as kabbalah or whatever but is the end truth that explains everything readily.

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This.
The Demiurge (Saturn, as far as I know) created and maintain the physical universe, the (((people))) who worship him are the evil ones obsessed with materialism.

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>correct

hence their fuck mouth misnah, zohar, and terroristic hate speech known as the talmud

>HURRRR DURRR wikipedia
You fucking kids and your pathetic addiction to this false dictionary of Communist mind control. Sad you can't be a big boy and research. They should of taught you in college not to write papers using Wiki.

But since this is how zoomer think:
>Gnostics borrowed significant ideas and terms from Platonism,[30] using Greek philosophical concepts throughout their text, including such concepts as hypostasis (reality, existence), ousia (essence, substance, being), and demiurge (creator God). Both Sethian Gnostics and Valentinian Gnostics seem to have been influenced by Plato, Middle Platonism, and Neo-Pythagoreanism academies or schools of thought.[31] Both schools attempted "an effort towards conciliation, even affiliation" with late antique philosophy,[32] and were rebuffed by some Neoplatonists, including Plotinus.
>Contemporary scholarship largely agrees that Gnosticism has Jewish or Judeo-Christian origins, originating in the late first century AD in nonrabbinical Jewish sects and early Christian sects.
>Alexandria was of central importance for the birth of Gnosticism. The Christian ecclesia (i. e. congregation, church) was of Jewish–Christian origin, but also attracted Greek members, and various strand of thought were available, such as "Judaic apocalypticism, speculation on divine wisdom, Greek philosophy, and Hellenistic mystery religions."[25]

Alexandria Egypt is where these groups formed and even 1st Corinthians letter from Paul is writing to these groups using Platonic themes, telling them not to fuck their relatives and kids and scam people out of money. Modern fake scholars interpretation this as Paul being a gnostic but you have to read the first fucking words in the first chapter of condemning them.

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The demiurge is not Lucifer. Lucifer is an angel that betrayed the commands of Yahweh and gave the 'perfect human form' (angels) knowledge which would have gave them power to leave the control of the angels. Basically aliens made copies of themselves on a planet of paradise to use for genetics. After being given knowledge to avoid another Lucifer situation the angels mixed their DNA with Earth native apes to create humans thusly Adam and Eve were born. Worshiping Lucifer and rebelling against God is an attempt for knowledge to either get away from or defeat Yahweh and his angels (which are an alien race).

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>The Demiurge (Saturn, as far as I know) created and maintain the physical universe, the (((people))) who worship him are the evil ones obsessed with materialism.
I said the exact opposite of that, genius. Plato created the Demiurge idea and it wasn't implied to be Saturn.

Saturnian shit comes from later esoteric Jews comparing him to El Shaddai

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this just sounds like christianity plus some more obfuscation

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>Lucifer is an angel that betrayed the commands of Yahweh and gave the 'perfect human form' (angels) knowledge which would have gave them power to leave the control of the angels. Basically aliens made copies of themselves on a planet of paradise to use for genetics.
Here come the Mormons/Scientologists/Alex Jones CIA 'gnostics'

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>The final redpill is that the Demiurge is an alien along with the angels, and fallen angels
All you need is a radio show and you can get people to believe ANYTHING.

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you twist around things i said like you want. For example you ignore all stated in Also all those things were created for man, stars and moon are meant to be signs of time for man, to name just one example. And yes, it doesnt say the entire world is bad, but it clearly attributes the negative desires as originating from the world.

>A man who steals for bread isn't a sinner, it says so in the bible
obviously not, but someone who steals money even though he has enough because he may eventually has not enough is.

>Stop using "material-ism" or show me where that term is in the bible
you dont need to include the term to promote similar values. I told you what I understand under materialism, and i provided verses showing the bible is against exactly that. another examples
>24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

other way around, they LARP as Ays but are spirits.

Okay who is the Demiurge then. A limitlessly powerful, perfect being of limitless energy which created the entire universe? Which is more believable.

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I see you are coming from the Christian perspective, Luficer is Venus (read World In Collision by Immanuel Velakovisky), Saturn is the Demiurge, the first sun we had (watch or read the Saturn Myth by David Talbott). The Anunnaki or Nephilim (like the christians call it) came to earth and changed our DNA for us to be slaves and they also worshipped Saturn, the demiurge.

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i could do that, but i don't feel like effort posting right now, and if i did, i'd do so in my own thread.

the biggest issue with stuff like this is context. we've been indoctrinated with a series of half truths and outright falsehoods. trying to paint actual reality and history inside of that framework simply doesn't work, there are too many contradictions.
>This hodge-podge of half-learnt shit you've cobbled together doesn't even make sense in your own head.
this is the exact state in which everyone finds themselves. when someone stumbles on to some actual truth, it also appears exactly like that to people that haven't unlearned the 'official' nonsense and re-rectified their entire world view, multiple times.

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Since it came up a bit, on Satanism
satan (associated with saturn) meant something like "obstacle". everyone had his own satan. someone who incites him to do bad things, a bad habbit, an addiction, anythinghe should overcome. But then there also is THE Satan, Ha-Satan.

6 is the number of man, and his weakness. greed, egoism, egocentrism, all the materialistic desires, and i believe of this plane existence in general (the earth is tilted 23,4 degrees, or if you count from the other direction 66.6 degrees, life, on this planet at least, is made of carbon, the 6th element, with 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. 6 directions in the material realm, north, south, west, east, up and down, 6 sides of the cubes. Think About how molecules and icecrystals form in hexagonal shapes. saturn being the 6th planet with hexagon on its northpole). 666 is going over the top with the materialistic desires, pursuing and desiring only those and making you follow the path of satan.

The black cube of satan is a symbol for this material, 3 dimensional realm, and the time we fear is running out, which will let us die, and which causes us to do harm to others in order to lead a better life ourself. by thus the black cube also symbolizes time and death without either we wouldnt have these earthly desires causing us to do evil.
The 666 could also stand for the dimensions of the cube, 6x6x6, entrapping us in the 6, our weakness and temptations.

Our sole puprose, as i believe it, is to overcome (our) satan, proof we arent easily corrupted wether satan is just a symbol or a real entity. So while this world isnt evil itself, this realm of existence kind of makes the corruption a lot easier. When people worship satan, they dont worship some deity or enthity (well, some do that too). they worship this material world, the materialistic egoistic desires, and themselves.

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Pic related. those 7 circles are called the seed of life.
One interpretation i saw is that its meant to symbolize the creation week, or symbolize the same as the creation week does in the bible
The center being conciousness, that expands to the circle. The conciousness then moves to the border of the circle where it expands again creating the second circle and so on until you got the seed of life. the 6 days of creation around the 7th one, God, the seed of life or whatever you want to call it.
By connecting the points of intersection you gain the (black) cube, as above mentioned symbolizing the material world and as such Satans rule.

I have to say here that the 6, and all these patterns are commonly seen as a positive symbol as it is the blueprint of creation of life, but its only the material part of this, and according to the Bible the source of temptations, the Satan's, which we should work on overcoming with

So in this light atheism is low key satanism as both are about the material, about power, wealth, the flesh.
Christianity is about rejection of the flesh and embrace of the spirit. Where christianity tells you everything is God, thus you yourself too and everything else it means everything is connected to you while satanism and atheism teach seperation. no underlying connections and thus seperation leads to worship of the self, and only caring about the ego.
Where satanists and atheist desire to be blessed in this life and having it comfy christianity tell you you will have it hard in this life, prosecuted and attacked for doing the right thing, so you may have delight in the next live instead

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Ask any theologian and they will tell you gnosticism means every branch of early christianity that is far from alignment with the modern church. It is not limited to Valentinus, especially since other gnostic secs inspired islam later on.

>And yes, it doesnt say the entire world is bad.
>All things on earth are just for humans
Well, congratulations you're a gnostic and your ideas sound a lot like the simulation theorists. Try reading the bible.

Start with:
>Job
>Ecclesiastics
>Genesis

Then tell me God's creation is "bad" because Adam ate the fruit. Because that teaching of sin and anti-matter is 10000000% gnostic Luciferianism.

>I told you what I understand under materialism
You don't get to define words just for yourself and then share your ideas and expect everyone to know what you mean. Material-ism is a very specific and known concept, it doesn't just mean "sin" because the flesh is bad.

You know who teaches that the flesh is 100% bad? The Luciferians. God didn't make us with bad bodies.

>Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Try looking up what "Eye of the needle" means. It was a gate in Judea. It had deeper meaning because they were there at the time. The needle-eye gate kept out invaders with horses. He wasn't saying being rich is "evil materialism".
Otherwise give away all your money.

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>Okay who is the Demiurge then.
Read Plato

It's not that hard, kid.

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the bullshit about christians wanting to have it hard in this life was a psyop to get the druidic culture subservient to the romans and to the babylonian gypsy kikes. the whole 'only god can judge me/others' mindset - who benefits from that? the sick fucks murdering, raping, and pillaging, that's who.

>6 is the number of man, and his weakness. greed, egoism, egocentrism, all the materialistic desires
Ego came from Freud. Materalistic came from the gnostics.


Why don't you try reading the bible?

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>the bullshit about christians wanting to have it hard in this life was a psyop to get the druidic culture subservient to the romans and to the babylonian gypsy kikes.
Gnostics did run from the Vatican and then try to convert Celts/Druid culture. This is where Western occultism comes from.

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The sun god. Who created the sun -- our solar system? Do you know the odds of our solar system being so perfect to hold our human life? Statistically zero.

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>Materalistic came from the gnostics.
o rly?

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>The sun god. Who created the sun -- our solar system?
Read Plato, weirdo and stop watching youtube

>o rly?
Yes really. BEWARE OF "isms" in the English language. They're not what they seem. They're packaged ideas that are amorphic.

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the druids predate the gnostics by centuries, if not millennia. the druids were known worldwide, and many cultures sent their people to study with them, if they were accepted. the druidic knowledge then spread. gnosticism was formed from a portion of surviving druidic work. the druids appear to have made it through the last cataclysm, as the babylonian gypsies also did, much to the world's detriment. the gypsies made it their goal to eradicate the celts/druids as their wisdom made it impossible for pilpul and talmudic tyranny.

>the druids predate the gnostics by centuries
I said convert, genius

>Read Plato, weirdo and stop watching youtube
Show me a youtube video explaining that God and Satan were extraterrestrials you 12 year old faggot.

i don't think you recognized epicurus, or are familiar with epicureanism or hedonism, both of which predate the gnostics by centuries. materialism is much older than the gnostics.

except my definition of materialism fits the one used in the dictionary, valuing the materialistic world and values more than the spiritual, which results in those fears and temptations i mentioned because ultimately you dont want to lose this material life. And i gave now multiple examples of the bible preaching exactly this
And the hardships in this life meaning blessing in the next is also quite biblical
>25But Abraham answered, ‘Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things. But now he is comforted here, while you are left to suffer.

>He wasn't saying being rich is "evil materialism".
he did say it will be significantly harder for a rich man than for a poor man to enter heaven, regardless of which eye of the needle he meant, probably because to become rich you often need to fuck people over.

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>Show me a youtube video
GROW UP REEEEEEEEEE!

>i don't think you recognized epicurus
Epicurus NEVER used the term material-ism and was not an antimaterialist. He fucking created the idea of atoms.

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Gnosticism and freemasonry are complete opposites. Freemasonry is luciferianism = judaism.
Kabbalah is just jewish mysticism from the middle ages.
Read gnostic texts before talking shit you dumbass kraut.

>proving my point as if you're countering it

bitchute.com/video/LZHCSxYZsoYx/

>except my definition of materialism fits the one used in the dictionary
That definition = gnostic doctrine
As I've cleary explained.

Look I know you hate to bust up your copy/pastas. But you're on a chan. You're not here to teach us all. We share info and teach each other. Stop being so egotistical. You're wrong about a lot of things.

>he did say it will be significantly harder for a rich man than for a poor man to enter heaven, regardless of which eye of the needle he meant
Regardless of what Jesus meant, user? Come on...

Do us all a favor. Read the Bible. Stop reading sections. Read the entire thing cover to back. Get a Strong's Concordance (unrevised). And read it.

Jesus did not say cute baby bunnies were evil just because of Adam and Eve's fall. That line of thinking is Gnosticism.
God's creation (material world) is not "evil".

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You win nothing. Congrats

>ywn be Coraline's dad
Why does it hurt so much bros?

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I suppose its worth looking into Freemasons themselves a bit:

So, What is freemasonry? It is basically a good goy club coming under the guise of christianity to gain trust while the doctrines are leading you directly away from it. It promises to be able to ascend through works and knowledge even though Christ is the only way, and as such tries to seperate man from God, claiming its about liberation when its just rebellion freeing us from the "oppression" of God and becoming gods themselves free from any foreign restrictions, basically
>Why do the nations ragea and the peoples plot in vain?
>2The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together, against the LORD and against His Anointed One:
>3“Let us break Their chains and cast away Their cords.”
The chains and cords being the morals and laws that restrict us.

Crowley believed to reach the most high you must first sink to the lowest. You do this by doing everything you dont want to do, as things that disgust or repell you are merely chains that bind you and keep you from doing something, thus limiting your potential. Morals and Ethics, the little voice in your head, are merely obstacles you need to overcome, you need to silence.

You dont like seafood? better eat oysters and such until you dont mind anymore. You really dont want to hurt that little child? that feeling too is just an obstacle, overcome it, rape it and kill it. You like vaginas? Better engage in gay sex orgies all day long until its normal for you. By this you free yourself from the selfimposed "limitations" and unlock your "true potential"

Also there are 2 type of Masons:
First type are usefull idiots. They came to make some connections, get some knowledge and/or have some gentlemens club. They unknowingly disguise it as such gentlemens club while their higher ups are fucking over the world.

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Are we finally getting back to this archon aeon shit again?
Because I miss how fucking retarded Jow Forums used to be before all the tranny jannies "cleaned up" this place. It was beautiful.

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>except my definition of materialism fits the one used in the dictionary
Again you used the gnostic interpretation of the "evil world"
>all the materialistic desires, and i believe of this plane existence in general.... are 666

The material desires are NOT ALL EVIL. God created the world as saw that it was good. Apples are not evil.
If I desire an apple that is not evil, "An apple a day keeps the doctor away".

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>Are we finally getting back to this archon aeon shit again?
No. That's not Jow Forums, that's /x/. Because Jow Forums is smart and reads Plato not the gnostics.

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>Also there are 2 type of Masons:
The Deist freemasons of the 1700s thought this, not gnostics. They believe God created the world and it was their job to study it. But coming out of a craft/guild of masonry they expressed this as mechanics/math or material nature to be studied. These were the only good freemasons.

Deists = Right Hand Path
Gnostics = Left Hand Path

The checkers board is meant to symbolize the duality of this world, black and white, good and evil, heaven and earth, sun and moon, and by extent stands for this (material) world. Just like the 2 pillars Boaz and Jachin do too you always see in such imagery.
However it also represents a playing field in the literal sense. They see the world as a game they play to win, with us as their pawns and themselves as the players that ascended the playing field, the duality of this world, even out of the vision of the pawns they control.

Kaballa is basically about ascention, how to raise beyond the mortal plane. In freemasonic symbolism you see this by the checkered board with a (jacobs) ladder going out of it, symbolizing the ascention. And they rise above this state, out of the duality of the world (with the help of moral relativism, not being held back by morals and ethics anymore) and become gods by abolishing their care for others and this world (see Cremation of Care at the Bohemian Grove), player unseen by the pawns they controll.

Some related the kaballah to different planets similar to how different deities are attributed to the planets. In this interpretation I heard the theory that the hidden sephiroth (the connection points in the kabbalah), daarth is the equivalent of the black sun which is the connection point between this world and the other world, from where our spirits come and which is used to communicate with other spirits aka demons.

Book of the secrets of Enoch also gives another account of creation. He for example says God took from the invisible (primal matter i guess) the light, and fixed it at the highest point, then took from the same invisible the solid/matter, and put it on the lowest point. In between, iirc, he puts the water and the air too. which you see in pic related too, with the material fixed on the bottom and the realm of light on top which they usually attribute to Lucifer

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>The material desires are NOT ALL EVIL
Keep deluding yourself. All material desired are ore-programmed and thus fake.
>God created
Maybe not. We are also capable of creating and that doesn't make us gods. The creator might be an entity indirectly created by God. God might reside several layers of reality up from here and might be entirely ignorant of this world.

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There he goes again

Get's taught on Jow Forums and ignores everyone like an ego maniac.

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STFU CIA New Age victim

Swimming in a nice waterfall is not evil. And I desire this not out of evil

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The reason why Salvation through works or ascention through Gnosis doesnt work.
You could have been deceived, however much that is. This small deception in the beginning can lead you to misinterpret every further bit of information you come across, and even that info may is fake itself which becomes the basis for further interpretations. As such its ridiculous to assume you can escape this place through knowledge when all of the knowledge you have could very be wrong and you may never know.
Similary trying to be saved through good deeds is futile as well. How can you be sure to know what good actually is? Certainly not all have the same concepts as appearently some think giving children hormones and cutting their dick off is something good, and I assume most people here do think this is bad. So how can you hope to be saved through deeds when you cant even know that the deeds you do are good or bad?
As such the only thing we can rely on is faith. Faith that we do know good from evil, faith that we do understand the commandments correctly, faith that even if we fall short on these things that we are still saved through the love of our Father.

i merely ignore you because you just pull focus on on pretty much irrelevant bullshit, like my definition of materialism which is the dictionary definition. You then strawman my statements regarding the effects of materialism into meaning something completely different.
Bible says focusing on material values like riches and powers, ultimately putting the ego above the collective and the present before the future is evil, that is anti materialism, and now you come around saying the bible is materialistic because it doesnt say that matter itself is evil. So yeah, no reason to argue further.

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>swimming in a nice waterfall
It is Ok as long as you know it is fake. This is a videogame after all, so enjoy it and play it to the best of your skill.

>And you just need to look at how many of the celebs and politicians have such one.
the villain in 'Quantum of Solace' wears one

They aren’t Gnostics, that’s just the cover they use and what they teach low level Freemasons
They are Saturn worshippers

> ultimately putting the ego above the collective and the present before the future is evil, that is anti materialism,
Ego is a fucking Freudian term. Stop using neo-gnostic terms.
The bible never said that desire for the good in life is evil. Jesus specifically says that you should work hard and uses analogies about material farming --- he never presents them as evil. Jesus allows Mary to wash his feet in oil, and the disciples get mad at him saying "give that to the poor" and Jesus rebukes them. That material desire for oil was not evil.
I gave you Eccleciaties to read. Instead you want to post all this New Age shit and pretend to be Christian. But I'm starting to think you're a Satanist.

>i merely ignore you because you just pull focus on on pretty much irrelevant bullshit
Yeah, we all know you're a huge egomaniac. You love to get compliments and say fake shit like, "I'm humbled".
>You then strawman my statements regarding the effects of materialism into meaning something completely different.
You said all material desire is evil. How is that stramaning? Look up he term Strawman.

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>It is Ok as long as you know it is fake. This is a videogame after all,
STFU junky ass Rogan

>They aren’t Gnostics
Gnostics are essentially homosexual child rapists since Paul wrote to them in 1st Corinthians.

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If all threads concerning them are capped at 150 what happens when

For them, gnosis is just drooling about the rules and laws that govern this world, and exploiting them to their material advantage (eg. science, architecture). All those disciplines were passed down to man by demons. They call the chief demon lucifer because for them, knowledge (of this material world) is "light". That knowledge has no value whatsoever since those rules have been arbitrarily chosen by the programmer.

>They call the chief demon lucifer because for them, knowledge (of this material world) is "light".
Light is anti-materialism to gnostics. Part of the reason they practice sex magicK is because they dont believe in human biology or gender because that would be materialism.


>"ABORT BABIES!"
>"DON'T LET THEM BE BORN IN THE MATERIALISM!"
>THE DEMIURGE TRAP!
That's Gnostics

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Saturn is the Demiurge
The god of the Jews, which is why they worship on Saturn’s day
Real Gnostics want to ascend to the firmament, Saturnian's want to rule the terrestrial world
Jesus Christ was Apollo, the Sun, the Sun of God
The crucifixion of Jesus was a physical symmetry of the Suns crucifixion on the Southern Crux for 3 days at the Winter Solstice, rising again on Christmas
Sophia is Gaia/Terra/Earth watched over by the 7 powers, all are manifestations of the One True God, the Most High
Even Saturn
Saturn is the 7th heaven, the final test, The Great Satan the final adversary
The golden age of Kronos was perfect because it is Saturns job to test the Spark of Divine in men to see if they are really ready to abandon terrestrial bonds and ascend to their celestial destiny in the firmament
Souls manifest on Earth as a process of involution and evolution to find their identity as an individual spark of the divine flame and to realize their place in the collective of that fire
You are on the right track, and I agree with most of your points, except that they are not real Gnostics, that is a mask, a charade they use

who the fuck cares where the term comes from when the term describes the concept we discuss. We could even just take the latin translation for ego, the I or the self and it still holds up. putting the benefit of the self before the benefit of the others.

>You said all material desire is evil.
no, i said material desire and fears are the cause for evil. There is a difference. Wanting your children to live is good. Starting to screw over others to ensure that, is not. There is evil born from that desire, yet the desire itself hardly can be called evil. And as such it is with most things.
Again you are misrepresenting completely what i say or turn discussion towards some definition or word origin that is pretty much irrelevant such as wether the eye of the needle the camel goes through is the actual eye of a needle or some gate to the town, when regardless it means that it will have a pretty hard time just like the rich man trying to get into heaven. So either start discussing in honesty or I ignore you simply.

>Paul
>aka Saulo from Tarso, a high rank jew that didn't even know Jesus in his lifetime and whose job was prosecuting Christians
>Instaurates a fake version of Christianism aimed for mass control and the wellbeing of the Roman state.
>2000 years after we must ofc believe him

Lucifer is not a demon he is the male aspect of the planet/goddess Venus as was made clear in Ovid’s Metamorphoses

>Part of the reason they practice sex magicK is because they dont believe in human biology or gender because that would be materialism
Excuses. They enjoy it and find a plausible explanation afterwards.

They worship Saturn not Venus *Lucifer*
Which is why they worship on Saturn’s day and not Frigg/Freya/Venus/Ishtar’s day *Friday*
They use the symbol of the Hexagram as a symbol of Saturn who’s polar caps are Hexagons

>Wanting your children to live is good
Actually that is a selfish reproductive insctinct that even amoebas have. I say this is not good in the sense that it is artificial and fake. I guess most people are not capable controlling the groin and come up with bullshit explanations later.

cronus (saturn) ruling during the golden age i see as a metaphore for the antediluvian society
Cronus was eating his children in order to stay in power which is achingly similar to moloch recieving childsacrifice. i believe both were a metaphore originally for a lifestyle filled with egoism and greed, making yourself live comfy but resulting in your children/descendents having to clean up the mess just like we do right now, poisoning the oceans, air and land, cutting down forrests, nuking the shit out of desserts causing radiation everywhere, all which our children have to clean up, and by doing so we are eating/sacrificing them and thus letting cronus rule. its the result of our worship of satan aka our weaknesses and of course the literal sense of childsacrifices, wether ritual or abortion sacrificing the unborn for a better future of yourself which is the same like satanism, which basically is egoism and egocentrism caring only for your own well being.

pic related a woodcut from 1492 of saturn eating his children with a jewhat.

My theory regarding the 6 symbolism Life is made up out of 5 elements, components in alchemy just like on the 5th day the first animals were created aka life. However we were made on the 6th day, having the number 6 relate to this/our reality. So my theory is what gives all of this material world in Christianity the negative touch is the missing 6th element, time, which creates death, makes us fear death and starvation, having us worried about the future which in turn makes us easier to corrupt by abusing these fears and tempting us with comfort in the future.
Now time is basically an illusion, all happens at once (block universe theory) with us only experiencing one moment at a time instead of it all at once giving the illusion of time flowing.
Now Saturn is the 6th planet, is father time, Chronus , is Satan the deceiver (giving us the illusion of time) adding a 6th element to this all, the cube

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>who the fuck cares where the term comes from
Are you smart or dumb? Words sometimes have loaded meaning.
You should care about etymology and how terms are used if you're going to teach them to people as a religion.

>Again you are misrepresenting completely
Because of the way you present them. That's my criticism >all the materialistic desires,
>Also the Bible is pretty anti materialistic:
YOUR WORDS

Not all material desires are evil. Having a desire to pet kitty is not evil!

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