How advanced was ancient China really?

People always go on about how advanced ancient China was, and the mainstream seems to be complicit in making China seem like a bigger deal than it was. Plus you get tons of White people who don't really know much about China but who are enamored by the idea of the exotic Orient.

Obviously modern China isn't doing well, and hasn't been for the last 400 years or so. How powerful were they, and what inventions did they create, before 1500? Were they better than Europe or India ever?

I'm open to either side.

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Chinks lie and cheat whenever it’s possible. Not even their history record is credible.

On par with Europe, India, and MENA.

Side note, does North India count as MENA?

Classical china was basically rome in the east.

Like literally all the world´s history.

Drunk posting is not ok even though it's a Friday night.

I can't tell if they were truly noble and advanced or if it's lies.

Current Chinese culture is generally barbaric, and this isn't due to communism. Even before Westerners were taken aback by how many lies and cruelty there was.

As well something that complicates it is that the ancient Han Chinese weren't necessarily the majority population in China before 500 AD, while the genetics of modern Europe have been the same for the last 3000 years

Definitely not. I consider Pakistan to be included in ancient India.

Indians will cuck China into submission soon

How about you say something meaningful or stop posting

China has never been historically relevant outside of their borders until the 1700's and even then just exerted their will on shit tier neighboring countries

Aren't they part of the larger MENA genetic cluster though? And to an extent the cultural cluster?

I had a dream Thursday night that I was going to get an Indian gf, and I had this dream right after I did a Qliphothic Initiation. Makes me think.

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They had some decent advancements though. They also had a lot of exploration with those really big ships; however, they largely remained shut ins.

Paper, alcohol, gunpowder, one of the world's most complicated and elegant languages that several countries borrowed from; philosophical ideas coming from Confucius, Mencious, Sun Tzu, alchemy, modular arithmetic, and etc

This is just off the top of my head, and I'm not an expert. But I think Hitler's bestowment of honorary Aryan status should not be taken lightly

>elegant language
LMAO
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Not at all. Pakistanis are genetically identical to Northern Indians and have the same amount of MENA ancestry as Indians.

The Middle East and North Africa are very different too, lumping them in together genetically is wrong. They're very very different. Indians have nearly no North African ancestry.

What you're thinking of is Afghans and Iranians, both groups are mixes of North Indians and Arabs.

idk man, they all make my peepee pretty hard

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>chinese language
>elegant
clearly you have never heard a chinamen speak

The Chinese were never honorary Aryans, that was the Japanese.

I hate m*nchus but one thing you have to admit is China under them during their prime was undisputed king of Asia.

Look how big their map is. Something people need to know is Chinese China is only about 1/3 the size which is south east part. Stuff like xinjiang, tibet and manchuria is not Chinese.

Because of qing, China today has huge ass borders no dynasty (except yuan) had.

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Ancient China was impressive. Current residents of china aren't.

>I hate m*nchus
Why?

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Alright the thread should stay clear now

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To follow up this is what I mean by Chinese China which is where the han people are. The other provinces are not Chinese although today they pretty much got RICED by Chinese farmers.

By the way, Han is a rather dumb classification genetically speaking because not all Han Chinese are the same. Before only the middle of China (henan) was "Han Chinese" since 3000 years ago. Everyone else was babarians. Yet most of the people in China are obviously not from henan and yet they are now Han Chinese?

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I wouldn't believe all of that.

They keep faking evidence and claiming that they were the first ones to discover and explore Australia in their attempts to slowly subvert our country.

lmao, wouldn't doubt it. We should create a genetic virus to kill everyone who isn't white, lol

China(that come from Chin Empire) was never developed,The (include dynasty name in here) Empire were,comparing the too is like comparing Rome with Italy.

They were the most advance empire at the time (the only one who come close are the romans),even after the mongols conquering them they were still a major power. Until communism arise and killed it without survivors...

You will be successful
Btw that is Durga

>You will be successful
She was supposed to come to me I think. idk. It could also just be a dream. Usually when the Qliphothic nibbas send me messages through my dreams, they also tell me to check something the next day to confirm it was an actual message and not a regular dream(ie you will see a person you haven't seen in years again).

>Btw that is Durga
ty, I'll fix the file name

Chinks are just niggers with lighter skin.

>chinks eat dogs
checks out

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The manchus were awful. Closed out the west and lead to China's downfall. They invented nothing during the Qing. Han, Tang and Ming are all better.

Literally Han dynasty >>> Roan empire

Papers which are obviously crucial to the modern civilizations were first invented in China during Han dynasty (Roman crackers were forced to write on fucking stones or parchment or whatever shits as they couldn't invent papers at all)
GDP of Han dynasty is said to be far much bigger than that of Roman empire (10 minutes of googling would make you be sure of this)
Han dynasty was superior in military too considering that Huns who BTFO Germanic crackers making them mass-immigrate into Roman empire were said to be the same as Xiongnus who were horse riding nomads living in the Northeast Asia that got BTFOed by Han dynasty being forced to move to the far west

Han dynasty is the origin of the Eastern civilization

>what inventions did they create, before 1500?

Four great inventions, papers, compasses, printings and gumpowders were invented in China, three of which during Song dynasty which is said to be the golden age of Chinese history in term of science, economy and culture despite it being constantly cucked by the Northern nomad empires named Jin dynasty and Liao dynasty because of its poor military system
Some historians even including western ones admit that it was about to enter the industrial revolution over 700 fucking years ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

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>Punisher of Cuckasoid Incels Stormniggers will all be hanged soon
sure, dude

haha nope

Chinese inventions such as papers, compasses, printings and gunpoweders had significance influence to all over the world

except, we had the Mongol empire that was the closest to the world conquest in the entire human history
If Ogodei hadn't died during the first Mongol invasion to the Europe all of the whole continent Europe would have been completely conquered by Mongols

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>chinks eat dogs

except that literally 99 percent of people don't actually eat them

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Genghis Khan was white

4pt.su/en/content/siberia-empire-paradise
>An extremely important reference concerning the Hyperborean character of Genghis Khan’s mission can be found in the Collection of Annals by the Persian traveller Rashid-al-Din. It is well known that the distinctive features of Genghis Khan’s tribe were blue eyes and red hair. Rashid-al-Din writes: “The tribe of the kiyatboryigin descended from the offspring of Yesugei Baghatur [the father of Genghis Khan]. Boryigin means ‘blue-eyed’ and, oddly enough, the descendants of those who to this day trace their lineage back to Yesugei Baghatur, his children, and the Uighur [clan], are mostly blue eyed and red-haired. This is explained by the fact that Alan-Gua, at the time of her [spiritual] pregnancy said: ‘In front of our eyes at night there suddenly appears a radiance in the form of a human with red-hair and blue-eyes who shall go out. Thus, the eight genealogical branch of Yesugei Baghatur is exhibited by this distinguishing symbol which, according to the Mongols, is a sign of the royal authority of Alan-Gua’s children whom she foretold and whose similar appearance is proof of her words and the validity and obviousness of this circumstance.”

Ancient China was not Chinese.

>Papers which are obviously crucial to the modern civilizations were first invented in China during Han dynasty

Actually Egyptians beat you chink monkeys to it by centuries.

>Han dynasty was superior in military too considering that Huns who BTFO Germanic crackers making them mass-immigrate into Roman empire were said to be the same as Xiongnus who were horse riding nomads living in the Northeast Asia that got BTFOed by Han dynasty being forced to move to the far west

The Huns got stronger and stronger as they moved west, and they went up against a literally crumbling Western Roman Empire and still lost.

>Four great inventions, papers, compasses, printings and gumpowders were invented in China

Litterally nothing compared to the Renessaince era Europeans and only on par with Classical Greeks and the Roman Empire.

Shill harder chink monkey.

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LOL NO

>LOL NO
Not an argument.

Chinese characters are the most superior and beautiful writing system of all on the whole planet

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China was once populated by whites just like America was, then niggers move in and say they built it.

Chinese does sound pretty horrible but hanzi are actually a very elegant and beautiful writing system once you learn them properly. It lends itself very well to a level of conciseness that's literally impossible in Western languages. Look at Confucius's Analects in the original with the English translation side by side - it takes up literally half the space.

acmuller.net/con-dao/analects.html#div-2

This is also why the Chinese Communist Party is so fond of catchy slogans - they're even pithier and catchier in the original

Nice try coping cracker

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The founders of China were light-haired, bearded, and grey-eyed. Not Chinese! Burials have been found in Northern China and Siberia of these people. Not only white, but Nordic. As they died out, interbreeding with the Chinese, Chinese culture stagnated, then degenerated, and the world’s greatest empire became a colony of their neighbours – Indians, Japanese, Mongols, later the European powers.

Japan has a large Aryan element in their population; indeed the southern islands of Japan were mostly white only a few hundred years ago. Perhaps this explains why the Japanese are undoubtedly the most intelligent and civilized of the Asian peoples? India’s Hindu empires were the results of conquest by Aryan invaders, and all Middle Eastern civilizations were Aryan, including Egypt, despite claims that the Pharaohs were black. The only blacks building pyramids were thousands of toiling slaves who interbred with the white Egyptians, eventually destroying that civilization as they did with Rome, Persia, and most other ancient empires.

Disprove the evidence I posted earlier showing that Khan was white.

this board is a fucking playground

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lmao stormniggers actually believe this bullshit

Still not an argument.

dude does he really look white to you?

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Before the Mongols, the entire East of Eurasia was relatively more advanced than the 14th century West. Especially China, considering it's silk road economy and the influx of wealth it provided. Far back into ancient times though, is a mystery because the well kept records were written on turtle shells in the case for China.

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>Ming are better

Ming was the dark age because of its strong emperor dictatorship system despite it being the last Chinese dynasty (Qin wasn't actual China)
The problem of Ming is that founder of Ming was a fucking psychopath literally equivalent to Stalin purging hundreds of thousand of his companions after he became emperor and most of emperors were fucking dumb brainlets despite it being the most strong emperor dictatorship system in the Chinese history

>How advanced was ancient China really?
see pic, evidence of ancient robotics in china

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White people invent and forget.
Yellow people copy and remember.
Black people do neither.

haha Somali bro again, papers were already invented 2000 fucking years ago in China
learn some history before chimping out mumbling bullshits

i thought this was a guy squatting down with a massive shit coming out of his arse

It's Slav(e) cope, because of their embarrassing history of being pushed around during a far Eastern raid on their fore mothers down turned labia. Pic related, correlative data verifying their inferioty.

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>painting done by a china man
>china man literally only every paints chinese people
>surprised when a portrait of a white guy looks chinese (as is too low iq to realize that the chinese artist already has a developed portrait style)

Pic related is a portrait of a Japanese lady done by a French painter. As you can see, she looks very European, since he wasn't used to painting Asians and already developed a particular style.

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I'm Albanian; I hate the Slavs too.

Ghengis khan was famous for having green eyes and red hair

That came in after the acclaimed ancient times though? So it doesn't apply here, knowing the context OP is mentioning.

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that's what you stormniggers love to claim too bad for you bois tho it isn't the case

the chinese thing is to claim european inventions as theirs.
They have literally claimed things like trains are their invention.

hahaha you can post whatever pastes you have as always lmao

Gotta admit, the battle of Mohi was a logistical nightmare. The Hungarians first defeated part of the Mongol force at the Sajo bridge at night and then went to celebrate. When the Mongols crossed the river in the early morning the Hungarians were already drunk and half asleep.

Daily reminder that haplogroup r1a is the most common paternal haplogroup in Turkic peoples. Central Asians got bleached in their inception, lmao.

When niggers invent manned space flight I'll take your bait namefag.

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Winnie the Pooh is the best Dictator there is.

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fuck off Poland and get that gay ass shit off your already gay flag

At best he was hapa tier, and most likely a typical East Asian. Going off his descendants N-O haplo type y mix.

The nuance between you is inconsequential, and in your case Turkish(another far Eastern group) rape still applies.

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Waito Piggu Go home

Pretty fucking advanced. For reference, they almost themselves went into an industrial revolution in the song dynasty

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_industrialization#Historical_precursors_of_industrialization

This probably wasn't their fault; they weren't "better" than other groups in Europe or India, they just had an economy based on the much more efficient rice farming as opposed to wheat and other grains in india and europe.

Unfortunately, they had no economic rivals, and therefore no reason to do costly rennovations and cultural changes to start industrializing. Europe, by being more of a clusterfuck of various states, had reason to industrialize, and did so.

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dude that's exactly describing what stormniggers are always doing

dude it's already debunked by genetics

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>The nuance between you is inconsequential
We are Southern Europeans though.

>and in your case Turkish(another far Eastern group) rape still applies.
My point is that all the Turkic people have white daddies.

dumb chink

Because the Manchus conquered and dominated the actual Chinese. They also made all the Chinese men shave their heads to look like retards.

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han is not a genetic classification dumbass

>(((genetics)))
The ancient Chinese were Tocharians, a Celtic people.
So what base in Japan are you stationed at nigger?

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A couple of shitty studies done by chinks on a tiny sample size don't prove jack shit. That pasta doesn't even deny that all those invasions and rapes of China happened. The gist of it is "Yes we Chinese were raped an awful lot but not enough to change our majority population."

Also turn off your fucking proxy, chankoro slave.

He's been drinking too much gutter oil. Sad!

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China was unaware of heliocentric theory until the Jesuits brought the idea to them.

Chinks have been stealing Western inventions and technologies for a long time. Some things never change.

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>Southern European

You guys are a small country away from Bulgaria or Hungary or what ever that crappy tri horizontal coloured green red white flag represents. And racially you share an over lap with those Slav(e)s because of ancestral proximity.

>White daddies

A Y haplo group is found amoung them, as well as in the other Mongoloid exports(Finns, Huns,ect) that is of East Asian origin. Lmao, cope harder.

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Fortunately, as long as they keep up the practice they're doomed. Even if they somehow escaped their ongoing crisis and eventually came out on top, it would be short-lived because they have never made serious moves to curtail this aspect of their culture.

Actually it was more the case that because China had a zillion cheap peasants it had no reason to invest in cheaper, more efficient modes of production and energy.

this is what your face looks like

Enjoy the yellow peril
We're taking over
We're gonna be your masters You better be more and more polite to us

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Ancient China had some pretty good idea, but it really seems that modern China has got its shit together... has yet to break apart AGAIN.

Seriously, wtf China?

Song dynasty tends to be underestimated because of its poor military but it definitely was the golden age of the entire Chinese history in term of science, culture and economy

Yeah, that feels like the various early ponderings of Europeans and simple steam mechanisms, but a thousand years later.

Of all the things that really fucked China over, was the discovery of Porcelain. With Porcelain, China was never really pressured to go further. Without Porcelain, China never advanced certain forge technologies to process Glass. Without Glass, entire realms of physical and biological sciences were forever beyond that civilization's reach.

This man might as well be the grim reaper for the chinks. May his face haunt your dreams.

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>You guys are a small country away from Bulgaria or Hungary or what ever that crappy tri horizontal coloured green red white flag represents. And racially you share an over lap with those Slav(e)s because of ancestral proximity.
Hungary is some ways up, it doesn't border us. Bulgarians are literally Thracians.

>A Y haplo group is found amoung them, as well as in the other Mongoloid exports(Finns, Huns,ect) that is of East Asian origin. Lmao, cope harder.
You are thinking of haplogroup N. N is uralic, which are a Caucasoid people. They have a pseudo-Asiatic look because they are closer to the intermediate group that split into caucasoid and mongoloid. Genetics confirm this.

I don't look like that.

>coping this hard

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The reason China invented everything is because for a century Chinese academics have been hired solely to publish 'proofs' that China invented everything.

Given WIkipedia and western media love anything non-white they eat that shit up. There's ZERO evidence behind 99% of Chinese claims besides their own biased academics who are not fed if they don't publish pro-China shit.

The ancient Chinese were pussies. Chinese actually means pussy in ancient futhark, The futhark from before elder futhark.

Their border is twice the size of Europe. So you think a body of land twice the size of Europe was homegenous?

>their inhabited land is twice the size of europe.
Yeah. Try claiming land thats actually worth something and see how it goes.

I'll explain a bit more
>entire realms of physical and biological sciences
Chemists, and alchemists, relied on transparent glass to measure the proportions in their experiments. Physicists developed finer and more pure forms of glass to use as lenses, which the first inadvertent biologists used to discover the world of cells and bacteria. Later, optical glass revealed the world of the Electromagnetic Spectrum.

None of those avenues were open to China, a nation that had never sought glass because Porcelain was good enough.

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