Jow Forums why do you think abortion is murder?

>Republicans aren't humans
nice gaslight, faggot. I cannot fucking wait until Abortion is banned.

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I was using your own terms and ways of speech. I'm all for giving whites the choice of abortion. The last thing we need is more whites born into a poor household. Whites that behave like niggers should have been aborted.

It should be an option for whites. Forced for niggers and spics, etc.

10% less abortions since 1973 and Shrillary would be in the white house right now... Libs never learn!

Well, there are many reasons whites should be able to get an abortion. For example if a nigger rapes a white girl, every brownie that is out there is one brownie too much.
Yeah i know that morning after pills are a thing and think that it's retarded that people don't use them.
An abortion should be the last resort of preventing racemixing and making whites prosper

Wait. You have niggers in Finland now? Gross. Kick the niggers out and don't let your daughter go where there are niggers. How hard is that?

There is proof. Niggers and spics abort more.
Whites mostly do it because they are not ready for parenthood or they don't have a stable moneyflow.
I can imagine Alamaba in 20 years filled with nigs,spics and shitskins.
You just made your situation worse.

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I wouldn't kill it either. Elephants are wonderful things, it's not like it's a jew or anything.

Or they will leave to other states

Here only about 4% of the population is brown or black.
Most of immigrants are russian, swedish or estonian.
Here we don't see an explosion in niggers because we actually educate the youth of protection and how to not get pregnant at 15.

This also. The less non white population control there is, the larger will the nigger population be.
There are MILLIONS of niggers in america.
MILLIONS.
You all are already fucked.

Literally, most here are pro eugenics. It's christcucks that don't want Moloch to unironically feed on our enemy's progeny.

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Of course!

Kill a pregnant woman and you're charged with two counts of murder. But if a woman visits a doctor an has her baby evicted from the womb then it's not murder, and the unborn baby is not even human apparently.

I think making human rights conditional, instead of universal, is a slippery slope.
The pro-abortion stance is that you have to fulfill a certain set of conditions to be considered human. Be it awareness, heartbeat or even looks, as you just stated. I object to that, I think it's best for society in the long term to assign the same set of basic rights to everyone universally, you get them just by existing and cannot be deprived of them as long as you continue to exist.
We can argue which rights should be counted as these universal rights, but I'm pretty sure the right to live would be on the top of the list no matter who you ask, as it's the most basic one i.e. the one without which you cannot exercise any other one because you're dead.

Well in Africa the just fuck untill they run out of eggs. Most kids don't survive. Much like white countries in the 1700 and 1800s. You would see families with easily 5-12 kids.
The niggers do the same thing in Africa.
This is why they don't need shit like Unicef. If they would stop making so many babies maybe the food would last for more than 4 days.

death to roasties

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What is your problem then Pekka?

If you kill a pregnant women you can't know if she wanted to keep it. Then it should be treated as the woman who is carrying thinks of it. If she wants to get rid of it (of course in reasonable time) its her choice.

>In the first few weeks of pregnancy
Also lefties in Germany recently called for a law change that would allow abortion „until birth“. The slippery slope is real

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So you admit it’s an elephant and that an embryo in a human woman is a human

I wouldnt call it murder, but something is being killed.
That being said anti-abortion retards should kill themselves. There is no good argument against abortions being legal.

Posting fake images is not an argument Ronny

kek

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Not fake, Sören

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What if the baby has a serious disease that would kill it in his/her childhood? Keep them in a hospital for years? Or if the baby is a result of rape/incest? There are many reasons why people wouldn't want to have the baby.
What if the woman can't carry because of a health problem. Should a taxpayer die because she couldn't have aborted the fetus while it was just a bunch of cells not aware that it was the reason their mom is dead?

I think the US is getting slowly turned into a 3rd world country. Taking away rights from white taxpayers.
I though murica was the land of the free?

>not a human being
>elephant embryo
correct

Well that is just retarded. Of course you can't abort a baby when it actually lives.
The heartbeat is a good limit.

This too

Yes, but that embryo isn't an elephant yet. Neither is a human embryo in the few first weeks of pregnancy.
Untill you hear a heartbeat it should be legal.

I see a zygote as the first stage of life, because it has the potential to live. But I don't mind about child murder.
Outlawing abortion will result in more children by degenerates.

Niggers seem to be pretty good at population control in the US even before muh roe vs wade. What is the magic number for that to be a human? All we want in the US is to have the states decide, how are founding fathers intended. These cunts want tax payers to pay for their “medical” treatments at planned parenthood we want to decide when we need to shut that off.

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If it's not a human, why do you have to kill it?

Well some people have religious agendas.
I understand as a christian that killing anyone is not good, but we live in today where religion is getting outdated (in the first world atleast). And so are religious morals.

"Most immigrants are swedish, russian or estonian"
No wonder you can't make an argument worth discussing. You can't read!

Wow, you really got me thinking it's OK to murder unborn children with that hot logic you just hit me with. Thanks, OP.

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It doesn't matter if she wanted to keep it. She does not get to decide who lives and who dies. That is murder.

>Neither is a human embryo in the few first weeks of pregnancy.
zygote - embryo - fetus - baby - infant - child - adolescent - adult - elderly
at every stage of development the species is the same.

What is the cut off on weeks before it becomes unethical to abort? It’s a simple question.

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>What if the baby has a serious disease that would kill it in his/her childhood?
Then they'll die in their childhood. People die, it's not news, is it?
>Keep them in a hospital for years?
Yes. That's what hospitals are for.
>Or if the baby is a result of rape/incest?
Then the rapist should be severely punished. What does it have to do with the kid?
>There are many reasons why people wouldn't want to have the baby.
You're saying it like "having a baby" is the same as "owning a slave".
Indeed, there are many reasons but none of them (except one, I'll get to it in the next sentence) are reason enough for depriving someone else of their right to live.
>What if the woman can't carry because of a health problem.
Then it's entirely her call, just as it's your call to push someone off the the train tracks knowing you yourself will get under that train.

Well in my opinion it should be illegal to abort after there is a heartbeat.
So around weeks 3-5

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It's Monaco for you, bogan.

Abortion doesn't change fertility rates so it doesn't matter if minorities have more of them.

Killing a human for no reason is murder. Allowing it desensitizes our society and turns people into amoral degenerates, and that affects me. It doesn't matter if the unborn can't feel or think yet.

>he thinks they're fake

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>Isn’t aware
If there is braindead vegetable in the hospital you will be charged with murder if you kill them.
>No heartbeat
It will develop a heartbeat on its own if left alone. You’re denying it the heartbeat by destroying it. If a heartbeat is what makes it a valid human lifeform, you have no qualms about beheading a grown man that’s suffered a heart attack as opposed to attempting resuscitation.

>largest killer of blacks
Consider that niggers will attempt back alley abortions and put themselves at significant risk of death to get their abortion. Two birds with one stone.

morning after pill and thats it unless - threatens mothers health - mother is too young (underage) - serious defect in the child where it is reasonable to believe it would suffer physically after birth.

anything else and get fucked, be more responsible. put it up for adoption.

I believe that is reasonable and have no argument against it and most states would agree with that also. These leftist are arguing 40 weeks and infanticide in the US right now. That is why abortion is a hot topic issue. Celebrities attacking Georgia and other states for heartbeat bills.

Does it work for more than one press? If so that fucker is getting mashed like the resisting electrocution minigame to save Meryl in Metal Gear Solid.

>Then they'll die in their childhood. People die, it's not news, is it?
So why is aborting so bad then?
People don't want babies 100% of the time.
It's not news, is it?
>Then the rapist should be severely punished. What does it have to do with the kid?
The mother would be reminded of the rape everytime she looks at that kid.
>You're saying it like "having a baby" is the same as "owning a slave".
No, I mean it as young people might not be able or willing to host children how hard is it to understand?
>Indeed, there are many reasons but none of them (except one, I'll get to it in the next sentence) are reason enough for depriving someone else of their right to live.
It. Is. Not. A. Human.
>Then it's entirely her call, just as it's your call to push someone off the the train tracks knowing you yourself will get under that train.
So you agree that it should be their call if they want to keep it.

Why? Why does it magically become a human once there is a heartbeat? Why wouldn't life begin at conception? The DNA is unique, never seen before, contains all information and is in the earliest stages of a process that, when left uninterrupted (and barring complications), will grow into a baby, child, teenager etc.

Having more abortions does not mean their fertility rates are artificially lower. Blacks have more abortions out of convenience, not family planning. They pop out niglets to get welfare and then get tubes tied or IUDS when they're done. The total number they have doesn't change whether they do or don't have any abortions, it's independent, therefore abortion doesn't change fertility rates no matter how many they get.

Alabama is already flooded with niggers and spics, it will be significantly worse though.

That is retarded. Of course there is a point where it is considered as a human!
In my opinion it is when there is a heartbeat.

Either you want to build up, or destroy. A civilisation cannot endure chaotic destruction.

>It. Is. Not. A. Human.
Define what makes someone human.

After you feel a human embryos heartbeat it is a human. Before that it would be considered dead if it was a fully formed human

They did studies that found access to abortion lowered crime rate. I'm definitely for unfit parents killing their offspring voluntarily. Saves us a ton of societal suffering dealing with those mongoloids. Tons of societies opted to killing off unwanted children, and it's honestly not surprising that once the self-congratulation period of compassionate care wears off, we are ultimate going to find convoluted excuses to allow it back into society.

I'm honestly not sure what the long con is with the pro-life spin, but i'm still unsurprisingly disappointed people are falling for that shit. Abortion is one step closer to eugenics, and it will allow the human race to prosper.

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Who the fuck cares if it's human you pussies.

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>So why is aborting so bad then?
So why is murder so bad if abortion is okay? Dying from disease and getting murdered is not the same thing.
>The mother would be reminded of the rape everytime she looks at that kid.
She can give birth, sing some papers, walk out of the hospital and never see the child again.
Also: one person's right to not be reminded of something doesn't override another person's right to live.
>I mean it as young people might not be able or willing to host children
Perhaps they shouldn't fuck bareback (btw rape is like 0,01% of cases). Or they shouldn't fuck people they don't to have kids with, or they should give the kid up for adoption.
>It. Is. Not. A. Human.
It is, but that's just semantics. It's a biological being of homo sapiens species, it exists, you can't deny that, and it is homo sapiens, you can't deny that either.
For that it gets it's universal rights.
>So you agree that it should be their call if they want to keep it.
If it's death for either the kid or the mother then it's the mother's decision.
Continuing with the train analogy: you don't have the right to push someone in front of a train just because you don't fancy having them around.

Because it can't feel or think, it doesn't pump its own blood it doesn't do ANYTHING that would make it anything less than a combo of specific cells that in the right environment would grow slowly into a human.

After there is a sign of life (heartbeat in my opinion) it is considered as a human.

>Before that it would be considered dead if it was a fully formed human
But it isn't fully formed, so that point is null.
It would develop a heart beat on it's own if left alone.

Homosapien organism that has distinct DNA from its progenitors (mother/father). That's all you need to be a human. If that human has the capacity or potential to start, continue, or complete the human condition then that human is a person.

cirp.org/library/pain/anand/

>Functional maturity of the cerebral cortex is suggested by fetal and a neonatal electroencephalographic patterns, studies of cerebral metabolism, and the behavioral development of neonates. First, intermittent electroencephalograpic bursts in both cerebral hemispheres are first seen at 20 weeks gestation; they become sustained at 22 weeks and bilaterally synchronous at 26 to 27 weeks. By 30 weeks, the distinction between wakefulness and sleep can be made on the basis of electroencephalo- graphic patterns

This is when personhood begins. Before 20 weeks, abortion should be fair game. Afterwards it should be banned.

>muh DNA
>muh heartbeat
>muh viability
>muh birth

All irrelevant. The brain (mind) is what matters, what makes us persons.

you name it.
(((They))) did (((studies)))

That’s true, but the dead don’t rise and grow into fully functional people for the next sixty years. The dead stay dead. Fetuses, left unobstructed, will become humans almost 100% of the time. The reality is that you’re denying human life when going through with abortion, no matter how you dress it up.

>A looks similar to B during X stage of its life
>Therefore A is always B
>Muh reductio fallacy

You weren't exactly the smartest kid in your class were you now.

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It isn't fully formed so aborting isn't as bad as shooting a newborn with a 115mm tank.

by your own logic, should EMTs try to revive someone whose heart has stopped? are people who experience cardiac arrest human, in your opinion?

This. Friendly reminder that foreign invasion is a punishment from God for your iniquity. If you keep sacrificing children to Moloch we will never see rest from the invasion.

Repent and prosper or reject and perish.

>They did studies that found access to abortion lowered crime rate
Those studies are highly contested by other studies, showing abortion does not lower crime

>isn't as bad
And pressing in a newborns soft skull isn't as bad as flaying it alive.
What the fuck is your point?

Conservatards moralfagging over aborting nigger fetuses is cringe.
That being said, allowing an apparatus to remain in place which allows women to essentially renege a pregnancy is also degenerate

Yes and I'm fine with being a stop to a child if the parent(s) agree to "kill" it.
You know that every time you cum you "kill" millions of potential kids? And that every time a female has a period a potential egg was "wasted" .
This is just retarded. Let people live out their lives as they want. If they don't want to keep/give birth to a kid it should be their choice not your sorry asses.

Never claimed I'm smart. I probably am so much dumber than you and also should bow down to you and let you decide that my beliefs are incorrect.

I don't know, it kinda makes sense that shitty, selfish parents would abort their kids if given the chance. And shitty, selfish parents probably don't raise little saints. It's not rocket science to assume that birth control in any form will have a positive impact on society.

Regardless, a ton of societies throughout human history have done away with their unwanted kids. Think about how many fewer retarded kids there would be if abortion was freely accessible. Absolutely no one would voluntarily opt to raise a retarded kid, barring the saints who wouldn't mind.

You guys are acting as if now is the time to show compassion, because you've been tricked into swallowing their sweet milky talking points. Abortion is Eugenics with training wheels. If you can't see this as a win, read a history book.

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They have been alive for years or months a 2
week old embryo doesn't have anything to lose except their future. But at that point it can't choose for itself. Same with consent. It can't consent to being alive or being aborted because it doesn't have a mind.

Awareness determines whether or not a fetus can be aborted?

It can be argued that people who have no problem with abortions aren't self aware.

Someone that has been in the tummy for 50 weeks and someone that has been there for 2 weeks are two different things.

The chicken egg is not fecundated. You dumbass.

A human embryo has already the potential to become a person (if healthy).

That is why there should be a limit where it should not be legal.
Or a limit of how many can you get in a year.

My goodness this picture is so retarded, it makes me cringe so hard.

How can you tell there's a heartbeat? There has to be some kind of a device, ultrasound or whatever. And it's save to assume ultrasound machines aren't created equal. Some are more accurate than others.
Now let's say you go have your ultrasound, it doesn't detect a hearbeat, you have the abortion. The next day there's a new, better ultrasound machine in stores, it can detect heartbeats three days earlier than the one they used on you. Have you committed murder?
Now let's say there's a better ultrasound across the street, but that clinic is more expensive and you can't afford it. Have you committed murder by you negligence? You could have taken a loan and went to the expensive clinic.
Now how about poor countries. Surely they've better ultrasounds in Switzerland than in Venezuela. Do Venezuelans become human two weeks later than the Swiss?

What I'm trying to say is basing human rights solely on the readings of some technical gizmo is so beyond retarded you can't even see retarded from there.

This is a bad argument. Sperm don’t become people like magic. It has to be united with an egg. It’s at that point that I would argue life begins. People dont grow out of random cells in the dirt. They come out of a very complex ritual that combines two sets of DNA inside of a woman’s body.
Let me ask you this. If there was some make-believe illness that rendered a grown human as braindead and heartbeat-less as a fetus, but you knew they would wake up nine months later, would you argue the same thing? Would you say that we should crush his skull because he is a clump of cells laying on a bed? I think you wouldn’t. Unless you’re a jew or a nigger.

They have the exact same genetic make up, they are not two different things, they're the same thing at two different stages.