The Chinese people are so confused: What on earth does the US want with China? Does it want fair trade or does the US refuse to accept China's development and seek to break the Chinese economy as its ultimate goal?
US must clarify its China approach
Ethan Turner
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Leo Jackson
This is a major issue. For the sake of long-term interests and the well-being of the Chinese and the US people, as well as the world peace, Washington has an obligation to make a serious and sincere answer to the question so as to help Chinese society accurately understand the US intention. Such an understanding will profoundly affect the way Chinese society responds to the US-launched trade war and China's overall attitude toward the US.
Hunter Baker
Washington rudely tries to use a tariff war to suppress China. US vice president and US secretary of state issued fierce speeches recently. The US is also opposing almost all of China's actions on the international stage and is suppressing Huawei savagely. This behavior makes most Chinese believe the US is against China's development, and the real purpose of the US is to deprive China of its development ability and the so-called fair trade is just an excuse for stealing away interests. In other words, the US wants to rob China of not only its money but also its future.
Daniel Nguyen
If Washington turns its jealousy against China's development into all-round containment of the country, and would seek to sacrifice the two peoples' livelihoods and world peace only to tear China down, then this is an evil policy that violates political morality. Under such circumstances, Chinese people will not yield to the US. We will do our best to protect the right of national development and not fear any risk.
Jaxson Perez
We have no idea what Washington will do in the 21st century. We hope the US clarifies its own thoughts and retains its authority, authenticity and effectiveness in responding to China's query.
China's policy toward the US is clear. At least we don't want to make it complicated. China has no will to challenge the US strategically. China's development is for the good life of the people. China has wanted to rid itself of humiliation throughout modern history, which is a strategic psychology of a defensive nature. We sincerely believe China cannot pursue its interests by zero-sum expansion. Expanding cooperation is the only way for China to advance in the world.
Aaron Baker
China doesn't think it should or is able to vie for world hegemony. We want good China-US relations, and believe that kindness should be the priority of China's diplomacy although there can be conflicts and temporary confrontation. Any risky diplomatic policies will not be supported by the people.
Ayden Watson
What is the US strategy toward China? The question makes us confused. What does it mean that the US regards China as a strategic rival? Who should be responsible for US actions? There are the US leaders' changing statements, fierce voices against China in the White House and radical claims from the US Congress. To which of these should we pay attention and which should we ignore?
Hunter Powell
Our general feeling is that the US won't allow China to catch up with it or surpass it. More and more US people believe Washington should contain China at all costs. They are becoming increasingly influential in the US, triggering the US into radical actions against China. As China is fully defensive and has not launched radical countermeasures, the US is becoming increasingly tough and hostile.
Jaxson Allen
In a politically diverse US society, there is no powerful force that opposes extreme policies against China. Although there are criticisms of the trade war, most of them analyzes specific interests. They have no strategic rethinking of how to prevent escalation. US suppression of China is still expanding.
Have the US government and major US political forces made up their mind to escalate toward comprehensive containment of Beijing? Are they even prepared to further accelerate the process? Washington should figure this out and give credible answers to the Chinese and US peoples as well as the entire international society.
Isaiah Cox
i like turtles
Noah Williams
If this is not the will of mainstream US society and political elites, Washington should elaborate its real thoughts and carry out in-depth strategic communication with China. In the meantime, the US should resolve the two countries' specific disputes so as to make breakthroughs which are favorable to both sides.
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/5/27 22:05:16
Nathan Murphy
it wants to sink the chinks
and for once i support them, fuck that insectoid shithole
Jack Bailey
Alexander Long
tldr
William Price
The Turtle's, my favorite band.
Jaxon Garcia
Jonathan Reyes
China is doomed to fail. It relies on consumerist cultures to sell their stuff. China makes more steel than the entire world needs. We're about to become so effective at producing things that China won't be the manufacturer for the world anymore and they will decline.
Julian Rogers
>What on earth does the US want with China?
Cripple its economy
Eli Harris
>does it want fair trade
clearly that's the idea since the US tried to make a deal, the problem is that China is unwilling to agree to the terms of the agreement, the problems facing China now are of their own making
Aaron Garcia
What's the point of clarifying anything until the game has been played out?
It would make absolutely no sense to "show your hand" (cardplay-reference), or detail intentions other than the obvious end goal, reduce or possibly even eliminate the trade imbalance in Chinas favor that has been allowed to go unchecked for decades.
Europe should do this too.
Tariff for tariff.
Subsidies for subsidies. (Chinese government paying "free shipping" to Europe)
Kevin Mitchell
Fair trade
Chase Cox
>seek to break the Chinese
We can only hope.
Back to the suicide nets, Chang. Make my cheap chinese shit.
Robert Adams
we want Chinese wombs
Juan Wood
She's not casting much of a shadow. She looks like furniture photoshopped in, so you ignore what a shit apartment they're trying to sell you.
Eli Moore
read up on intellectual property rights.
america invents, china steals
china gets rich off our backs and now has an open plan to unseat the us by 2025
Jaxon Gonzalez
Pretty much this. This guy explains it well in layman's terms
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Alexander Bell
the Jews want China to supplant the US economically so they can all flee there when America collapses and cash in on their treachery
however President Trump wants China to be brought down to size
keep reading the Jewish media and you'll be very confused because this dynamic will never be addressed, they'll just call Trump an economically illiterate retard for not doing what they want
Henry Sanders
I want to trade with her, if you know what I'm talking about
Julian Martin
CCP aint something to take lightly
This reads like the self victimization of a guilty thief
Dylan Thomas
Logan Price
We want our IP not to be stolen, and, for China to not have so many dollars that they can buy up the US, like they've done with australia. Buy stuff, not land in our countries.
Adam Hill
No, even Jews want China brought down to size. Or at least (senate? house?) minority leader Chuck Schumer (Jew) does.
Colton Myers
WAR
FUCKING WAR
HELL YEAH YA CHINK SONSOFBITCHES
YOU GET A NUKE
YOU GET A NUKE
EVERYONE OF YOUR CITIES GETS A NUKE
WE WILL SPREAD DEMOCRACY TO THE CHINESE PEOPLE AND THEY WILL LIKE IT
William White
They don't give a fuck and want to discreetly turn chinese economy weaker
Evan Long
Thanks, well done user.
Hunter Turner
chinas rapidly approaching its sell by date. it ALWAYS falls apart every 70-100 years. I want to be able to laugh at the current paper tiger catching flames.
winnie the pooh had a coup attempt against him in 2017 and has been a paranoid nutcase since, purging those that have gotten his suspicions up. its why Jack Ma had to come out of the party closet and pick a side, so that the CCP wouldnt "re-educate" him with a bullet to the base of the skull and nationalize his holdings.
Nathaniel James
If we nuked China, the fallout would end up on the West Coast - their pollution already does.
Angel Moore
The first pic is by far the most interesting part of your post.
Leo Green
this woman is objectively like a 4
get your eyes checked
Evan Anderson
Boomers hate china for some reason.
Josiah Miller
Neither. It simply wants to make America Great Again.
Christopher White
even a stopped clock is right twice a day
Michael Robinson
That is a big advantage of China here. The trade war is universally precieved as a direct push to strike China down - which means that the Chinese governments can declare America responsible for all kinds of hardships and shortages people would have to endure, and itself a protector against aggression on all China. Such a thing will not work for Trump - as he initiated the conflict with no meaning whatsoever for a commoner, or elite. Even some people annoyed by Chinatowns and international news do not associate it with their wellbeing and security - and would value it before anything else.
Logan Martinez
he wants the markets to crash before the 2020 election so they can blame it on Trump and his China policy
Christian Clark
This. Initiating the trade war yourself is a huge disadvantage. China will use nationalism to shrug this off.
William Ramirez
Trump's trade war is all kabuki theatre. The US ruling class and Chinese ruling class have the exact same interests.
Xavier Barnes
>What on earth does the US want with China
NOTHING
Xavier Cruz
> "Main objective of the "trade" war isn't about MAGA or bringing jobs back, the sole reason is to cripple China. There will be no trade deal. This is only getting started. Neo-cons are trying to take down China before they surpass U.S. as the predominant power with the Belt & Road. This is a war of economic attrition, economic elite war, and citizens of both nations will be the casualties, peons will get nothing. Markets have not priced in the possibility that there will be no trade deal."
Christopher Martinez
> "America's "exceptional" status has been predicated on one thing, the US dollar being the world reserve currency, but first a bit of history:
> Keyenes proposes an international accounting unit named the Bancor, and a system to manage international balances of trade in 1942. US refused to allow the Bancor as international reserve currency & unit of account. Bancor would have stabilised the international balance of trade, but penalized being an excessive creditor as well as an excessive debtor. At the time US was the world's biggest creditor and wasn't going to give that away. US ruined Bretton Woods with the USD adopting the role as the reserve currency instead of the Bancor.
> Everybody knew BW was fucked even before 1960. Pooling of European gold into the US federal reserve system caused a liquidity crisis for the Europeans, to which the US had to lend heavily to if Europeans were to have a chance at getting enough dollars to pay back their dollar denominated loans. Despite a nominal $35/oz peg, gold was being purchased for $40+, indicating market awareness of the dollar being overvalued. Nixon took the fall for it, the truth is that BW lasted maybe 10 years before starting to show its cracks, and in March of '68 Congress removed gold reserve restrictions on circulated dollars.
> This lead to the US hitting the Triffin dilemma head on in the 70s and unilaterally ending BW. Almost immediately, wages became unhinged from productivity and our modern nightmare was set in motion.
Jordan Green
> "US has a negative trade balance by necessity because the status of the dollar as the global financial lynchpin in terms of reserve currency status and commodity trading unit (especially oil). This is where the asymetric demand for and artificial strength of USD comes from. US has mismanaged this privilege by taking on vast amounts of debt.
> As time passes a paradox occurs; the conflict between short term domestic desires and long term international objectives. Both objectives can no longer be simultaneously met. Any adjustment of the global dollar will result in an inverse reaction abroad. By helping your own country you destroy trade throughout the world. Help world trade, you destroy your own industry.
> "The US in a difficult position with China growing so strong and rebelling from the US dollar."
Jace Baker
> "As Trump's admin progresses you can see through the lies with action since we have enough hard data.
> Companies aren't leaving China for U.S.
> They are moving to other 3rd world shit holes with comparable manufacturing costs instead of returning to U.S.
>'trade' war is only about attacking China and not about bringing jobs back unless of course U.S. tariffs the entire spectrum of countries which have cheaper labor costs, taxes and regulations which is just not going to happen.
> U.S. is singling out China for a reason: you don't prepare for war, you prepare for a war. Iran is the pin on this grenade, and Trump's admin want to pull it. Iran vs. Israel could be the trigger as China is now openly violating US sanctions and buying oil from Iran again.
> Admin is staffed by Anti-China neocons, which means that this isn't about trade, jobs; it's about geo-politics and US hegemony.
> This is all in context with the US interest on debt having to issue new debt just to service the interest which means dollar-debt crisis by 2024. Winners in this will be which country loses less and if China is willing to hand over elements of their financial sovereignty to make a deal"
Cameron Morales
> "Even without the trade war the collapse is fast approaching because of U.S. debt is a major structural problem suppressing economical growth. MMT is being floated by the Elites because USD is a reserve currency burdened by debt. Gundlach said at a recent conference that 45% of corporate bonds rated at BBB are in actuality junk status (Moody's research). By 2024 interest on U.S. debt will require new debt just to fund the interest. The warning signs are everywhere, PMI collapsing, existing homesales on a losing streak not seen since 2008. So U.S. is waging a trade war going into the end of the business cycle, this is fucking insane and means that U.S. either destroys China now or China becomes too powerful for U.S. to challenge China."
> "All China has to do is wait out the coming collapse of the Everything Bubble. Elites will try to save themselves with QE, ZIRP, NIRP, other CB policies which all together count for MMT for elites only. ZIRP, QE, together with other CB wealth transfers have destroyed U.S. economy. Sudden, major collapse of asset values will produce major civil unrest. The wealth gap is exploding right now and the political system in the US is at it's breaking point, and it will only get worse as time goes on. "
> "The primary goal for China and Russia and post-U.S. global community should be stockpiling gold, yuan backed oil contracts and de-dollarization. Currently China is balls deep in Dollar. The IMF has been talking of replacing the global dollar as a world reserve currency. Do to indebtedness America would be reduced to third world nation status permanently. When this occurs, perhaps in 2030, the US empire will be gone; economically, militarily, politically, and in all other regards. "
> "However, this is not the likely outcome, but war is. Look at U.S. defense budgets.
Nicholas Lee
Brayden Foster
This, they also have Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Kazakhstan, Singapore and many other countries to flee after they throw shit in the fan
Matthew Brown
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Cameron Clark
This is a good read.