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Can atheists have a moral compass?
Cooper Young
Luis Allen
Jesus is the light that lights the heart of all man. i'm guessing that means He gives you conscience AND something else to guide you in this life.
Jacob Flores
No person has objective morality, everyone who's ever lived has been a hypocrite to a degree
Mason Allen
I'm a utilitarian. If morals get in the way of function, we're gonna have to get rid of morals.
Easton Smith
Why do you care about function?
Brandon Edwards
nope. there is no objective morality without a third party.
watch an atheist try to justify their morality without God and try not to fall asleep for the next 2 hours LOL
David Williams
Yes
Rare tho
Jeremiah Sullivan
>jew
>no morals
checks out
Anthony Morgan
gas yourself
Xavier Harris
What's the point of doing anything if it doesn't work?
>jew
No. Jews get in the way of functional society.
Mason Williams
>What's the point of doing anything
Yes.
Andrew Rodriguez
Greater common sense n understanding of everything
Christian Watson
Yes, my moral compass is the book of Leviticus
Austin Butler
morality is subjective, but generally it's based on selfishness, we prevent others from doing harm because it could potentially be done to ourselves
Samuel Scott
The real question is whether religious people can.
Caleb Martin
That's not an answer.
Lincoln Nelson
They can because there is a book of laws that might be from God, that tells them what is right and wrong. Atheists have no moral compass other than their own emotions.
Brayden Russell
I have a moral compass that was originally based on my family and culture but I've rewritten it and justified it based on some core principles, principles I've derived from various arguments and observations of the world around me, as well as historical empiricism.
I try to hold myself to a higher standard than I hold others.
I'm atheist.
So yes, atheists can have moral compasses.
Levi Nelson
Of course, I just don't really have a word for mine. But most of what I grew up being taught as a Christian has some foundation in social and biological behaviors.
Joseph Campbell
Of course not. Only a man of faith, be it islam, jew, or christian, can truly have morals.
Without guidelines written by other people how will you know which animal meat is ok to eat on which day?
Connor Brown
so we shouldn't have morals simply becaose some people were hypocrites?
Dominic King
they can. most of them are relativist
Jack Morales
Sure, if they are white...
Oliver Hernandez
>I try to hold myself to a higher standard than I hold others.
This too. You're the only person you can truly control and that you know the most about, so there's a much more pressing need to continuously try to not be a fuckup than to keep others from being fuckups.
Tyler Hill
if morality is subjective can any action be considered to be wrong...or right?
if someone rapes your sister you don't say morality is subjective do you?
Brayden Flores
>i'm only a good boy when my imaginary dad is watching me
You sound black user
Evan Powell
Of course.
I was not raised a religious man and yet I managed to develop my own set of principals to live by - through which I generally do not wish harm upon other people.
But it is worth mentioning I have since learned more about Christianity and the tale of Jesus and found that there is much that I agree with - so perhaps I'm not your typical "anti-religious atheist".
Joshua Lee
Nope, they shid and fart poopoo peepee the most on this board
Eli Martin
>Having morals
>believing there are no morals
What does that even mean?
Adrian Martinez
>They can because there is a book of laws that might be from God, that tells them what is right and wrong.
They have lots of books from lots of gods. How do they know which book to follow?
Eli Turner
I could say a lot about this, but I think the short answer is "In general, no." Essentially, I think that there are a few atheists out there who have the capacity to articulate their moral axioms and the discipline to abide by them. But, in the larger scheme, I don't think that society could function like that. Too many retards who just need to be told what's good and bad and who lack the discipline to follow through, so they need shame and social pressure as a substitute.
I'm areligious at this point and I've been trying to solve this problem for myself recently.
Jonathan Butler
An objectively stronger one than any theist since the code is grounded in the material reality.
Jeremiah Brown
Morality is a human concept. Sin and righteousness are religious concepts. What is moral can be sinful.
Camden Wilson
can you have morals without a moral law giver?
Isaiah Peterson
It's not that hard, example:
A-I'd like to rape Megan Fox
B-I wouldn't like my girlfriend/wife/mother/sister to be raped
even though I like A I don't like B ergo rape is bad
Aiden Young
>curn yuf morels lawnmower
Noah Richardson
Read the book of Numbers and answer your own question.
Dylan Rogers
>there is no objective morality without a third party.
Why do you need objective morality? As long as you are consistent subjective morality does just fine. You can make the argument that given that gods aren't real they aren't actually a real third party so even theistic morality is subjective.
Xavier Thompson
free will and morals are not material you got jewed if you think so.
When someone rapes a woman. Judge doesn't go back to lab and check whether he was morally right or wrong.
Chase Hall
nice argument
Carson Murphy
no
Thomas Long
everyone has a natural born moral compass. you're telling me that religious people didn't know that murder was bad until they read it in an old book? give me a break. the only thing the book does is control people who don't care. but now we have a new book for that, the book of law.
Jason Moore
so raping people is ok as long as it doesn't have to do with your family members?
Jackson Sanders
stop being a faggot and answer the question please.
Justin Ross
>if morality is subjective can any action be considered to be wrong...or right?
Only within the context of that subjective system. The question shouldn't be how can you be moral with a subjective system, but rather what do you do when you have incompatible subjective systems coming into conflict?
Matthew Hernandez
Atheists get their morality from society at large, that's why so many atheists think it's cool to get ass fucked or kill unborn kids or put people in cages if they don't pay for niggers to kill and maim and rape people.
Austin Rodriguez
not being theist doesn't equal having no moral values
same as having being theist doesnt equal having a moral compass
Matthew Rivera
I wouldn't like to get raped either
Leo Turner
Wow, total failure at reading comprehension.
Impressive.
James Morales
So rape is bad because you, a human being, FEELS that it's bad? How can we trust human beings to just FEEL what is right and wrong?
Luis Gray
If I paint N, S, E, W clockwise on a piece of round paper then I have a compass... that is useless as a compass.
It's the same with atheists.
>for those who're dense, or tired, or just missed it: when printed clockwise a compass reads N, E, S, W.
Thomas Perry
Yes, but I am not one. Thanks for the question.
Owen Johnson
No raping is wrong because you are physically hurting someone. Not because some abstract concept thinks so.
Carter Williams
mortally doesn't begin and end with "killing your mother" there are many things involved in it
>the book of law
that law says that abortion is ok. If you are going to follow what the law says and not morals you are being controlled. (very ironically you are the guy who doesn't want to be controlled by religion but yet you are ok with the law)
if the law says I can fuck your mom anytime I want does it make it moral?
Luis Myers
Yes, as morality is subjective even amongst Christians, it proves that religion can't be a proper moral compass as moral North is never stable but changes with the times.
Liam Gonzalez
so what is it faggots is rape wrong or right?
Gabriel Cook
No. The lawgiver needs to exist, though, correct?
Kevin Reed
morals exist and predate religion, christcuck
Chase Watson
This.
>What's the point of doing anything if it doesn't work?
I'm laying siege to a castle.
I have the sappers dig a hole and plant explosives at the bottom.
Then I set off the explosives-- they explode and make a huge hole in the ground.
But unless I directed the sappers properly (i.e. to dig UNDER THE WALLS and not just in a random direction...) then the fact that the plan worked is irrelevant.
Function is not enough. Execution isn't enough.
It must be the right function. It must have the right purpose.
Determining the right purpose is precisely the point of morality.
If at this point you claim, as is common among utilitarians, that YOUR purpose (i.e. "whatever you want") is the right purpose then you're just admitting to be a psychopathic selfish narcissistic piece of shit. In which case I applaud you sarcastically: way to take the moral high ground.
Gavin Rogers
Sorry, I am just not that interested in getting all autistic about this kind of thing. Morality is more of a large scale issue so there's not much point in getting in the weeds on a personal level. All of these abstractions are just meaningless in the face of the powers of selection. The cultures who succeed are the ones who inherit the earth. Whatever they decide to be right is what's right. If there's no people, there's no morality.
Lucas Robinson
I'm atheist and I believe my moral compass stands up well compared to most people.
Carson White
but animals rape/kill/eat each other and no one hold them accountable
why should we humans?
Easton Johnson
the question should be do the religious?
it's the religious that think everyone should read the bible so they learn values.
and if you've read the bible you might wonder what morals it's teaching.
it's like reading husler to learn about fidelity
Mason Lewis
Parties by definition can not confer objectivity.
Adrian King
i never said anything related to Christianity dear Shekelstein I don't even know why are you mentioning it?
Nathan Long
where does it say you have to be able to justify your morality, and to whom
the law is the only thing you need to justify your actions to
after that everything within it is fair game and it's just whether your peer group / social circle agrees with your choices or judges them
Colton Adams
It's better than trusting some space wizard from the bronze age
Kayden Allen
You wouldn't exist without it ask your Caveman ancestors when answer a mating call
Cameron Edwards
>so what is it faggots is rape wrong or right?
I want to rape someone so that's acceptable right? My moral code should say that's fine!
But wait... Do I want someone that I know and love to be raped? No I don't so maybe someone else doesn't want the person I want to rape to be raped... I guess my moral system shouldn't allow rape.
Levi Harris
>we will kill children if it helps to diminish an unsustainable booming population
Jaxson Phillips
We're genetically hard-coded to abide by natural rules. Through culture and religion, morality has been defined as well as solidified, with governments even being created to enforce it and to defend people following it.
Nowadays, society is regressing, morality is actively being chastised by media, and we're no longer protected by our government.
Some atheists are morally sound, but a higher ratio of theists also represent the majority of morally tuned people
Owen Clark
Only people without a bipolar sky jew watching over them have internalized morality. Rednecks like you don't have any, so you delegate it to your imaginary boss.
Josiah Kelly
my man!
Sebastian Allen
>non-atheists actually believe they have a monopoly on morality
>also admitting they'd be savages without their beliefs/fears
Christian Moore
Sure. Do what's best for everyone and don't be a dick.
Sebastian Cooper
Let's assume that the book was written by bronze age humans. Why do you believe that your HUMAN MORALITY is superior to their HUMAN MORALITY?
At least with the book, there is a chance that it might be from God.
Xavier Fisher
Did you define what you meant by N, E, S and W?
A compass that reads NSEW is fine so long as everyone knows what you mean and all your cartography is internally consistent.
Carter Cruz
You can just leave it at
> There is no objective morality
Even if there is some supreme supernatural being, any morality dictated by that being is still subjective.
Bentley Mitchell
What is a savage? And who gets to decide?
Jason Young
my morality is better than yours haha, brb while i watch porn till my dick goes numb and unironically idolize satan as 'the original rebel' even though i dont believe in any of that nonsense
Julian Scott
>What is a savage? And who gets to decide?
Someone without morals is a savage.
People that have morals get to decide.
Luke Turner
If there is a GOD that made us all, how is an atheist different than an hindu or a christian. All of them believe in different things and therefore cannot all believe in the one and same GOD.
Does this mean they are all mislead?
Or that only one is right?
In that case, how can we say who knows the true way of GOD?
Who says it's not the atheists...
Nicholas Lewis
>savage
>admitting they would be immoral without their beliefs/fears
Aiden Mitchell
>What is a savage?
Someone who violates the morals of their peers egregiously.
>And who gets to decide?
Their peers.
Brody Martin
> guy with 4 partially cannabilized drifters decomposing in the crawl space under his home
Michael Wood
What, you think my definition of function is luck? Are you dumb? It must be sustainable over generations. What do you think I am, a democrat?
>you're just admitting to be a psychopathic selfish narcissistic piece of shit.
If it helps society be better, I'm totally ok with being the martyr. I will sacrifice my reputation and time and effort to benefit you. I'll be the hero we need.
Easton Peterson
Where do people get their morals from? From their own thoughts, feelings and opinions?
Jose Torres
I think people are born with morality or they're not.
you can teach psychopaths a moral code but it won't matter
Lucas Roberts
Do you understand what a metaphor is?
Do you know what "analogy" means?
You do know. But you chose to be dense instead.
But even if I play along with your little game the scenario that you gave illustrates exactly what's wrong with moral relativity (which is the only thing atheists can have and still be consistent with their atheism).
You said
>so long as everyone knows what you mean and all your cartography is internally consistent.
Well, yes. That's precisely the point of having an objective moral standard.
So you tried to play smart-ass and instead simply underscored my point.
Cameron Brooks
>Sorry, I am just not that interested in getting all autistic about this kind of thing.
then how can you know what's right or wrong if you don't have an honest dialogue?
>Morality is more of a large scale issue so there's not much point in getting in the weeds on a personal level.
so it all based on personal preference and not on absolute truth? no wonder we have so much drugs/rape/suicide/gay marriage in our culture.
>All of these abstractions are just meaningless in the face of the powers of selection. The cultures who succeed are the ones who inherit the earth.
So might makes right? Majority makes right?
If you are weak and are minority then your argument is invalid.
>Whatever they decide to be right is what's right.
Wrong
What if those people decide that fucking kids is ok does it make it ok?
>If there's no people, there's no morality.
You making it sound like people create their own-selves? it's not the laws of nature that fuses the man in the womb but some dude does it.
Adrian Diaz
Not to enrage you bud, but I'd rather trust my senses than the ones from people that treated headaches with leeches and voodoo
Christian Flores
There've been plenty of christian murderers, you know. Having a moral compass and actually adhering to it are different things.
I've never killed anyone, though, and don't particularly want or plan to.
I wonder if the fact that that's where you went straight to indicates anything about you?
Jose Mitchell
More of an ethical perspective, but if things don't function then more people die.
Connor Morales
I think it's a common trait for most people
like ears you either have them or you don't
Alexander Moore
No, only jobs and meaningful lives.
Lincoln Gray
Atheists have no morals. Morals are like God, there is no objective proof of what is or isn’t “moral”. To be consistent, atheists have to reject morality for the same reason they reject God. Accordingly, atheists will quickly drop any moral they have if another fedora faggot makes them feel stupid for having it.
Colton Clark
>What if those people decide that fucking kids is ok does it make it ok?
Rome, and also a lot of "holy people"
Cameron Morris
You denied killing those drifters but you didn’t deny cannibalizing them, I noticed
Lincoln Miller
Yeah, it's called intuition, you fucking moron.
Gabriel Moore
>I'm atheist and I believe
mmmh