What is the best political system ?

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Who is this guy ?

Mikhail Bakunin

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Thread author here.

I am a supporter of a non-existent "technocratic" system - a peculiar hybrid of meritocracy and technocracy as understood by political science, something from
the very assumption (at least today) of the utopian assumption. The technocracy itself would have to be present in a certain type of country, under certain conditions.
I think that this can start from the assumption that the technocratic system is the power of experts, specialists in their fields, who manage the state through managing the relevant 'ministries', with a 'capitalist' system at the same time (free market, even libertarian free) and a similar social system
(read this as." My freedom ends with your nose"). However, how this would look like in practice (and theory;-) ) - I don't know. The system would, in my opinion, assume
no nation states, rather a confederation or a loose federation of regions - the regions would be governed by experts. Global governant
is unnecessary.

I dont like Russians.

Which shithole board was this thread moved from?
I’m guessing Jow Forums

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Are you serious ? Does it mean that you are supporting uniformitarianizm , censhorship and you want to strip people of all individuality and make them mindless tools in the hands of the state ?

how the fuck can left lib be considered anarchy? they want to enforce rules such as forbidding hierarchical relations

fify

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So in your opinion you should not deprive people of the possibility to break the law, to act against the norms, to offer them an alternative that will make them happy in their own way, according to your anarchistic vision of freedom and liberty? After all, a systemic order will always be better than the anarchy you propose. Try to prove to me that freedom is more important than order, maybe you will soon present some example, that obeying the law is bad, that breaking the norms in certain situations should take place, that you should not be guided by the established sets of rules, laws, norms especially in such wild , dangerous country like Brasil ?

Libertarian Market Socialism

the us of the 1890s with some tweaks to the constitution to prevent prevent:
1) decadence (mandatory military service, eugenics and liquidation of degenerates)
2) being overrun by third-world migrants
3) any infringement on the second amendment (recreational mc'nukes are allowed)
4) women ever getting in positions of power, be they in the government or in the workplace
5) the birthrates falling below 3 children per woman

Libertarian fascism.
Fascistic enforcement of right-wing libertarianism.

monarchy; as in a royal family. Humans' core is the family. We can't exist without family. All you have required a family for it to be created.

what happens when the monarch stops serving the interests of his subjects? in a republic that's not a problem because he can be voted out of office, and term limits are short enough that not much damage can be done. since a monarchy has no term limits and since the monarch isn't chosen by the electorate, monarchy is at a significant risk of going apeshit at any moment.

natsoc except totalitarian instead of authoritarian and also more genocidal

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did that little faggot actually walk around in short pants like that?

this diagram is one of the worst thing I ve ever seen it was made by a commie trying to justify his beliefs
this is literally the depth of communist political theory, two lines with values that go from - 1 to 1

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National Socialism

natsoc is fine as long as /ourguy/ is in charge. since people aren't immortal, he'll have to be replaced at some point, and it's only a matter of time until either an undesirable gets in power, or gets corrupted by said power. again, it's not a problem in a republic because of checks and balances and term limits, but in a totalitarian oligarchy, it very much is.

From the other side democracy and capitalism is ok if it is kept in check by the state, if there are strong trade unions, progressive income taxes and appropriate
redistribution mechanisms, if there is some balance between the public and private sectors, work and capital, rich and poor etc.

The best period of capitalism in the US is post-war years. These were the times of the Cold War. Out of fear of communism, millionaires had to agree to a more just division
national income (from the 1940s to the early 1980s, the highest rate of income tax in the US was 70-90%). Today, the USSR is gone, so no wonderthat there is no capitalism with a human face. Earnings of average Americans for a decade are standing or only slightly going up, and at the same timethe richest income is reaching astronomical levels. 1% of Americans have in their hands around 40% of their assets. Is this fair to the rest of society?

>actually walk around in short pants like that?
t. utter homosexual

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>in a totalitarian oligarchy
I m talking about despotism boyo not shitty oligarchies

>it's not a problem in a republic because of checks and balances
>Muh republic
>muh democracy works
>muh democracies arent glorified oligarchies for the sheeple
strong STRONG serbian iq here

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in america adults don't wear short pants unless they are gay. Shitler confirmed closet fag.

I promise , I am not communist or socialist . I just wanted to show a general overview of the differents political systems .

>in america
there are no "adults" in america

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who the fuck are you?

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I am someone who doesnt like .

Depends on the race.

you.

also in case you re OP answer this and stop using memeflags you flamming polsih faggot

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What do you means by "race" ?

what?

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>despotism
every despot will have his advisers, family members, party members, and keys to power (e.g. generals and powerful businessmen). despotism and dictatorship are still oligarchies, but with spotlights aimed at one guy and not the rest of the ruling elite.
>democracies are glorified oligarchies
first of all, democracy is shite and doesn't work. constitutional representative republicanism is what i'm proposing. second of all, even in the most backwards democracy, the oligarchs still have to worry about one more key to power, it being the electorate. and third of all, good luck maintaining a tyrannical oligarchy when the citizenry has recreational mc'nukes...

lets say anything with more genetic distance to what you re comparing it to than would occur in like 20k years

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Go away for this thread . This is not French server.

YOU RACIST ! ARE YOU ANY WHITE SUPREMACIST ?

National socialism is legitimately the best I've ever seen, based on what I know of it. The original burger system was good; they just needed to not allow changing of the constitution over time and to explicitly not allow non-whites into the country or women to vote.

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Yea. Anything to get rid of jews and trannys.

>every despot will have his advisers, family members, party members, and keys to power (e.g. generals and powerful businessmen).
obliviously, statecraft is like holding a pencil on its tip while someone is punching you in the face

>despotism and dictatorship are still oligarchies,
I would define a despotic system one in which the elite have very little power compared to the despot

>constitutional representative republicanism is what i'm proposing.
still democracy
a different type but still a democracy
your e literally describing america which is the worldwide center of all things corrupt

>even in the most backwards democracy, the oligarchs still have to worry about one more key to power
retard, the electorate is literally stupider than you just imagine that for a second
I wonder how you manage to breathe or beat your heart if you think its hard to control the "people" in a democracy when you control the media, censorship, and have 100s of years of experience doing it in more than 100 countries

>good luck maintaining a tyrannical oligarchy when the citizenry has recreational mc'nukes...
yeah you re just retarded lmao

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I dont like jews and trannys too , but I am not fascist like you.

you re on Jow Forums you fucking retard literally the biggest board and we re all white supremacists, even the niggers
are you baiting?

also nigger hate thread lets go boys

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Who are you ? Comming Fuhrer of United States 0f America ?

>but I am not fascist like you.
you ll get there lol

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Remember that all people even white and Asians origin from Africa .

Fascism with autonomous regions, but otherwise centralized. Basically Mussolini's Italy pre-1938 but where you get to elect your guild leaders.

I like annoying other people :)

>Remember that all people even white and Asians origin from Africa .
remember that all people even white and asians originate from fish in the fucking ocean
whats your point?
the fact we had a common ancestor 70 000 years ago doesnt change the fact there is a 40 point gap between our average iqs
it doesnt change the smell

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>a despotic system is one in which the elite have very little power compared to the despot
the elites will still have monumental influence on the despot, even if they themselves do not have much power. a depot will have to keep his generals loyal or be overthrown. to do that, he'll need the support of the businessmen and their taxes. whereas the despot needs the elites to survive, the latter can thrive under a different despot or even a different system entirely. this imbalance is where the elites' leverage over the despot comes from.

>your e literally describing america
pretty much. read my first post for context.

>the electorate is literally stupider than you
indeed it is, but even the stupidest electorate on the planet still has a breaking point, hence why there have been thousands of uprisings/ revolutions throughout history.

>an armed populace has the same breaking point as an unarmed one and is just as easy to control and impose tyrannical legislation upon
you are the retarded one here mate

that's why you need the people to be the guardian of the system: if the royal family goes against the interest of the people, the people need to get them off.

Voted off? Sure, he fucks you over and you just choose someone else, right? That never happens. People are not involved in politics enough to do what you described. Do you even know what your elected politicians vote for? Who's responsible for what? Do you keep track of what your politicians do & what they decide? Of course not. Short terms are not good things: since politicians are elected by the masses, they just appeal to them, do what's in their interest to get re-elected and then they're out. The short term system does not promote the interest of the people at all. It promotes short term mass-appealing policies and does not account for the long-term future. why? Because short terms.

The monarchs does have term limit; in that 1) they die and thus have to give it to their own children. 2) they get dethtorned & booted out or worse. If they fuck up they risk everything.

>I like annoying other people :)
:))) :^) xddXD
you sound like a collossal faggot and a generally stupid, underachieving and miserable person, thats generally genetic so maybe you wont

just go on gif or r9k and decide to become the girl faggot

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Do you have proofs that Africans have lower IQ than white people ?

>high IQ pop will still war
True. What makes war is the difference between productivities among a population- as such society would be fine if the IQ was uniform- which is only possible if you deport/euthanize people.

Paleoconservative minimalist democratic republican. Federal governments should have very limited powers, with the most important being enforcement of limits of state and local powers. White men who pay more in taxes than they recieve in benefits should be the only voters.

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read the bell curve mate, it's a major redpill

Member states of the HRE were constantly at war with each other and were forming coalitions against one another. National unity is what keeps a large nation together.

Literally every single measure of intellectual capacity.

But stupid white people with low IQ are existing too .

Luxury Autarchy. After nominal development of decentralized means of production and AI, post scarcity and secure individuals cooperatively self rule and spread across the universe.

>the elites will still have monumental influence on the despot
I d say that depends
its usually true, look at ceasar or napoleon, they had power through the already existing elites and were part of it

now cases like hitler I really fucking doupt anyoen could have made a move agaisnt him, considering the sheer political powerhouse he was, and how well liked he was by the population, anyone trying to remove adolf would literally have created a civil war
stalin you can argue, he was the bitch of the jew who controlled pretty much his entire country, and who let him die like a piece of shit when they decided to depose him to switch systems

you need to either have an elite entirely composed of completely selfless fanatics or be extrezmely machiavelian about it, saddam hussein style

>this imbalance is where the elites' leverage over the despot comes from.
yep, but an elite will always hurt a people A LOT MORE than a despot, its no small difference

>indeed it is, but even the stupidest electorate on the planet still has a breaking point,
nope, its a settled science, only under the right conditions that they can control

>hence why there have been thousands of uprisings/ revolutions throughout history.
shit like this is why I say you re retarded, almost all revolutions are simply coup detats by elites, domestic or foreign, cite ONE revolution that was grassroots lmao

>and is just as easy to control and impose tyrannical legislation upon
yeah it unironically is
look at fucking murica, it became a negrophjilic welfare state ruled entirely by jews, lording over a retarded populace who knows nothing

>muh guns

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>fascism
>left-right spectrum
Doesn't compute.

>Do you have proofs that Africans have lower IQ than white people ?
literally any test ever made?

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Monarchy above all, at least if we get fucked, we got exactly who is responsible, and it can be quite fun if you pair it with colonialism.

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I have proposition for you . Can you turn off Internet access for yourself and give me a break you damned frogeater?

You asked about Africans and white people. Those are groups, so you take averages. Stupid white people exist, as well as smart Africans. On average though, whites are smarter.

lurk more

But stupid white people with low IQ are existing too .

holy roman empire

And? Do you not understand how disteibutions work? There are 3 legged cheetas, but cheetas are still fast.

yes

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yeah its the holy roman empire bro

>meme flag

Bell curves. If you make 2 bell curves with the IQ of white & black people, you'll notice they don't match.

Some blacks are smarter than white, of course, some whites are dumber than blacks, of course. But we're talking numbers, a general tendency. The burger isn't saying that if you see a black person, they're dumb. He's saying that they're *likely dumber* than a white person.

>that's why you need the people to be the guardian of the system: if the royal family goes against the interest of the people, the people need to get them off.
impeaching an undesirable president is much easier than overthrowing a royal family that has been in power for hundreds of years.

>Sure, he fucks you over and you just choose someone else, right? That never happens
plenty of presidents only served one term and plenty of congressmen did the same.

>Short terms are not good things: since politicians are elected by the masses, they just appeal to them, do what's in their interest to get re-elected and then they're out. The short term system does not promote the interest of the people at all. It promotes short term mass-appealing policies and does not account for the long-term future. why? Because short terms
absolutely true. this is why universal suffrage doesn't work. this has been understood since the days of the roman republic. as soon as you equalize women, the young and the poor with property-owning taxpayers with decades of life experience, you country falls apart. short terms aren't the issue here, but the demographics of the electorate.

>they die and thus have to give it to their own children
that's still potentially multiple decades of continuous fuck-ups

>they get dethtorned & booted out or worse. If they fuck up they risk everything
which is much more difficult than just getting voted out and is therefore far less of a deterrent against tyranny.

yeah man holy roman empire

this is the best and most unknown system of government, but it is the one that will govern the world,
youtube.com/watch?v=dVEpYMLBRjA

here is the global federation the world needs, a war on degeneracy, the satanic one world government is coming, it needs to be beaten by a better one. and only america can make it happen

and the occasional war is what keeps nations healthy, especially nations of naturally war-mongering, violent, german drunks

Okay you won . I cant find justify for lower IQ level between group of people with other color of skin .

AnCap

>But stupid white people with low IQ are existing too .
>But stupid white people with low IQ are existing too .
are you being retarded on purpuse?
if you take a million whites like 10 000 of them will have less than 60 iq
if you take a million niggers 500 000 of them will have less than 60 iq
btw anything less than 85 iq is considered medically mentally retarded (it was changed to 70 iq because of american niggers, more than half of them were sent to special aid schools when america standardised iq tests)

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he's using an EU memeflag, of course he's mentally challenged

>Okay you won

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If people at the top were to dismantle national cultures (the promotion of homosexuality, pushy consumerism and the multi-culti with the simultaneous destruction of family and national values serves this purpose for years) and the "mass" would appear in place of nations, then the world would never be the same again. Eternal totalitarianism and world dictatorship would be a fully realistic vision.
The formation of a world government - then politicians will only be able to spin ice cream and raise taxes into infinity without fear of someone fleeing to another country. A real paradise for politicians. You will ask why? Why not? Do you know which rulers would be in power? Bankers who would have had enough money? If you can reach for something, you can assume that someone will want to try it.... or worse - that someone is already trying.

he s not from this board and he barely can speak english, he knows less than nothing on anything, not even babies first reddpill let alone the current power structures and background activities of the elites, I m just toying with him

plebbeyan tier

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Participative democracy, give the power to the people and let them decide for their becoming. Yet not in the sense of socialism, more speaking on terms of civil freedom.

All right . Calm down .You won . I cant find justify for lower IQ level between group of people with other color of skin .

>ach for something, you can assume that someone will want t
so you didnt watch the video. it solves all the problems inherent with oligarchs, nepotism and despotism, international corporate tax, etc etc

>Bankers who would have had enough money?
>muh money
you re so fucking retarde dthey already have all the money
the point is not how "rich" they are, the point is what share% of the economy they own
thats why they constantly need to make more mmoney, because the economy is growing, the part they dont own specifically, making them less powerful

oy va what a great post user!

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From the other side if you dont believe :

sciencealert.com/a-man-who-lives-without-90-of-his-brain-is-challenging-our-understanding-of-consciousness

>I cant find justify for lower IQ level between group of people with other color of skin .
who cares about color of skin, whites could be yellow or green for all I care, its about genes, how closely related you are, and what effect those genes have

it just so happens that whites are lovely intelligent people, while nigs are too stupid to graduate highschool and commit most violent crimes
just the way it is, not judging, but its a problem when you start to design policies that affect both groups

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