I'm a hard leftie, and have been for a long time, however I have recently been curious about far-right viewpoints. Any hard-rightwingers, why do you believe what you believe? What is your evidence for a number of minority groups being inferior? Why do you blame the jews for a number of things?
As a sidenote (even if it is largely unimportant), while I'm hard left, I'm not a tankie. I am very much for civil liberties over everything else and I'm against authoritarianism in all forms.
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>all traditional notions of identity are reactionary
Autism that impoverishes humanity in exchange for soulless technocracy
You can't have communism without being a tankie, at least at the start. The soviet union in its inception proved that. The civil war proved that. If you think the capitalists won't use the openness of your society to cause it to collapse within months you've got another thing coming.
I personally don't agree with the idea that traditional forms of identity are reactionary, and would actually consider myself to have quite a strong national identity (in the traditional sense).
Though, i do understand that that is quite a common viewpoint, and if i was looking from the outside i would consider it offputing too.
>I'm a hard leftie, and have been for a long time, however I have recently been curious about far-right viewpoints.
there's a part of the root of your problems. dont identify. muh identity = bad. "be yourself" was actually the right advice. anything else is just a button pinned on you.
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Fair enough. I feel like it is very much a natural transition, rather than something that can be excelerated, though, so i feel like once society progresses to communism (assuming it does), it would be self sustaining (at least until it is surplanted by the next system)
So you're an ethnonationalist then?
Communism never worked and actually killed more people than fascism in general.
Ah ok, makes enough sense. Yea I guess identifying with something can skew your view on things, so i should probably take this advice to heart.
Not *really*. I feel like I identify with people born in my country, rather than my ethnicity, and even if someone was black, asian, arab, etc, as long as they were born in my country I would identity with them (though i 100% disagree with the idea of people from different countries coming over having the same rights as everyone else assuming they get citizenship, it should be people from here first, foreigners second)
You could argue that, and you are right, however I would argue that it has been went about in the wrong way. It should be a natural transition, like that from "Proto-communism" to Feudalism to Capitalism, and i feel like if that was to happen muuuch fewer people would die in the process (as far as I can see it, the Soviets were accelerationists in that sense)
An African born in Essex is as English as someone whose ancestors have lived there since before recorded history?
Now that you say that, I see what you mean desu. I guess you're right, though I feel like as long as they are born here they should still have the same rights and such, unlike a foreigner maybe moving here.
>I’m a hard lefty,
>I am very much for civil liberties over everything else and I'm against authoritarianism in all forms.
Pick one.
Fuck off
>65 million in the People's Republic of China
>20 million in the Soviet Union
>2 million in Cambodia
>2 million in North Korea
>1.7 million in Ethiopia
>1.5 million in Afghanistan
>1 million in the Eastern Bloc
>1 million in Vietnam
>150,000 in Latin America
>10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power"
With that mentality you can even justify the holohoax.
how do you feel about native anglo-normans becoming a minority in 50 years ?
its not being a blank slate either, the truth is the truth. do you love your countrymen? absolutely. do you wish for your home nation to prosper? of course. living in a modern first world country, it can be difficult to connect with the truth where humanism has become both a market and a political aim. how do we get more? how can those who have less get more? both of these viewpoints scatter and subvert the truth. in a capitalist society, you can live on the street or in a mansion depending on your determination to get it. this is aligned with the truth.
want real advice? discern for yourself the truth in the words of Jesus Christ:
>Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
>By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
>Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
>A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit.
>Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire.
>Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
Give it (You)r best!
>while I'm hard left, I'm not a tankie
Jesus Christ even your slang is faggy kys
It's not about needing to feel superior to make up for our small penises and failures and the fact that we are threatened by real women with careers. I know you think that. Non-whites and feminists hate us and want to kill us. Every portrayal of us is demeaning and cruel.
I want to live. I want my children to have a good future and you are against that. That's fucking it. Self preservation. If I went to space I would never think of a non-white ever again.
You idiots think we're making lampshades out of people and dreaming of ways to torture non-whites. It's fucking stupid.
You don't even really want to know. You're whole spiel is one big ass "so what you're saying is."
Go fuck yourself faggot.
White lands for White people that includes South Africa, Argentina and North America because Whites built these countries. It doesn't mean we hate others except kikes and niggers
Who built it owns it
If you're white and multi-culti wins they are going to hurt you. They are going to hurt you very badly because they hate you. You're a joke to them and someone to abuse and make fun of. All that solidarity will go right out the fucking window when they have enough power.
I never said it's justified?
I feel like it should be prevented at all costs, given they are the native (at least for a good thousand or so years if not longer) peoples of england.
The only way this can happen is by expelling, segregating, disenfranchising, etc. the non-natives.
Hmm, maybe so. Are there any examples of this having happened and succesfully preserved a people group? Not claiming it wont work, just want something to look into.
I don't think like that, otherwise I wouldn't be opening myself up to other views. I don't just believe that hard right == bad, and I feel like insulting me just for opening up to your views is retarded given that, if anything, you should want more people to hold your views.
> I'm a hard leftie
> against authoritarianism in all forms
> t. walking, talking oxymoron.
Hard leftie doesn't mean authoritarian, in the same way that hard-right doesn't mean authoritarian. They can in many cases, but not 100% of the time.
>What is your evidence for a number of minority groups being inferior?
Western Civilization.
Could you elaborate?
Most of the "minority groups" I assume you are talking about had no hand in the visionary and philosophical process that lead to the development of Western Civ, much less the scientific achievements that lead to modern Western Civ. It is uniquely Western European.
That does seem mostly right, however what about arabs, given that they essentially pionered modern mathamatics?
If you honestly are interested in understanding Conservative/Libertarian ideas read :Industrial society and its future
I lived under communism.
It was not good.
You are a fool.
It was their one golden moment. Beyond that they regressed culturally with the advent of Islam, slipping back into a culturally backward society. Now their culture may look inviting to the uninitiated, but is completely incompatible with the west, and really always has been. Ffs they burnt the library of Alexandria to the ground.
Communism is a temporary setback on the road to freedom.
I'll check it out assuming I can find a good torrent for it (which i probably will)
Not really, a few muslims had a few ideas but they only went far enough to know which was Mecca is, they didnt really develop any new ideas. If anything they set back science and mathematics several hundred years, it was only when the INDIANS showed up at a monastery and found a ton of old Greek scrolls with lost knowledge that we started to make progress again.
The guy who discovered how light works? Well he only did that because a shithead Muslim king threw him in a cell with only one high window for YEARS and he spent his time pondering how light works. Muslims have only every destroyed and delayed progress.
Oh I 100% agree that Islam caused them to regress as a society. Of all the muslims I know, only 2 of them seem to be open minded people who appreciate western society, the rest all seem to be quite backwards in terms of what they think.
>What is your evidence for a number of minority groups being inferior?
Nature. Literally that's it.
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Incorrect, Arabs stole all the math from the nations they invaded and then were later repelled from, and called it their own. They didn't invent anything. Algebra and Calculus were both invented in Europe, and Digits were invented in India...
>What is your evidence for a number of minority groups being inferior?
projecting. They are just different
>Why do you blame the jews for a number of things?
oh my sweet summer child...
Ah thank you so much!
>. I am very much for civil liberties over everything
Then you are neither left nor right, you are a moron. Being pro-civil liberties is a conservative viewpoint. The left is anti-civil-liberties...
Hello OP. If you want to learn, you need only ask. Jow Forums has many politician views, though it is generally right wing, it can be quite diverse. I’ll start with the idea of race. Now, history has proved that different races and cultures are barely compatible, take Austria-Hungary and Yugoslavia, both collapsed due to different people’s. However I can assume you believe culture must be destroyed, as you are a hard Leftie, potentially a internationalist. Now, let’s head back to race, we can see how difficult it is to integrate different races in America, race riots (look them up, the media tries to cover them up) identity politics with blacks, Jews Asians etc. Nobody has truly integrated and have felt separate despite segregation being destroyed. We believe there is nothing wrong with wanting to be with people of your own ethnicity, people naturally on average breed within their own ethnicity than others, and tend to feel more comfortable around others in the same ethnicity.
Many of us are Fascists, others are Libertarians, others are monarchists, but what we do share in common is the idea of being around your people.
It's not as black and white as that. Just like how right wing can be authoritarian or libertarian, the same goes for the left.
What do you think about differences in law for different states and countries? Do you think that can be justified? I feel it can be justified as different societies have different characters and values and that's fine. But if you believe equality, everyone should have the same laws because what's right Is right everywhere. And you'd say you really want no law, but to me it looks like when the left argues for equality they're arguing for a single universal law that should be administered by a single universal authority, you know global communism.
As a paleocon, what I want in terms of authority is for every society to have a bunch of different institutions (self, family, church, job, city, state, trade organization, etc) that each one has some authority and they all constantly compete which means none of them get all the power.
A big criticism of the left is that they claim to get rid of all power but practically they only get rid of the intermediate authorities such as family and church, since those are the easy targets, and that power just ends up accumulating to the government.
You can only give the individual as much power as they're able to be responsible for. If you get rid of the family so everybody can be anarcho punk free spirits but then they all get addicted to drugs and mentally ill, the government steps in and whoops you just consolidated power in tee government.
Thanks for the detailed response. So is it less one group/race being superior than another, and more just preservation and protection of the different groups?
>commie memeflag
>against authoritarianism
Yes it is. The left does not support civil-liberties in any area except things that are not actual civil-liberties. For example, left is anti free speech, Anti-self-defense, anti-property owner-ship. The only (scare quotes) "pro-civil-liberties" area the support is things that are not civil liberties in any convenstion sense. Left is pro-taking-things-from-others. Be that their money, guns, speech, or life. You are literally worse than Hitler here in 2019...
Fucking cringe
>Why do you blame the Jews
You see, I’m not a fanatical Jew hater, I don’t believe a centralised Jewish society dictates on how best to scheme, I believe Jews collectively work together, notice on how most secular Jews generally have Jewish wife’s and husbands, and generally employ Jewish workers more often. Now, on the reason we dislike Jews. We dislike many of the leftie Jews because they occupy high positions in government and are almost always globalist. To the zionists, look to organisations such as AIPAC, look to America’s foreign policy, Trump has benefited Israel more than his own country, his own son in law is Jewish and he holds frequent meetings with AIPAC and gives important positions to Jews. In my own country of Britain, labour (a party I generally dislike) is under completely scrutiny because of some radical members, Jews make up a tiny percentage, and yet the cry of ‘anti-Semitism’ is the worst thing that can happen to you.
The overall Meta for the people on this board (myself not included) is easily broken down as such...
>brown people, left untouched, can't build civilization. Even with the advent of the internet and all of the knowledge ever accumulated to man is given to brown people, they still can't into civilization.
>Jews are importing brown people into White countries (usa was 90% white before Jew changed law in 1965). Jews are the only groups importing browns into Europe.
>Far Right thinks that their civilization is going to go down the drain as Whites aren't breeding and will be outbred by the browns being imported.
This is basically it. They want their grandchildren's grandchildren to still live in a place that has some semblance of Civilization. They believe that this is what true conservatism is and it's very White supremacist.
Far right? You mean like economic globalists? Fuck those guys.
>you want to give jews even more control via further centralization of power
yikes
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You are welcome, yes, generally we mostly want to preserve our people. Very few of us actually believe we are the master race, after all, there was a time when Arabs were more civilised than us, and so were Asians.
But when the natural question would be ‘why do you think your race is in danger’ and I would direct you to pic related, it is an estimate of an upcoming African population boom. Once this boom happens, where do you think these Africans will go? To Europe, and to America, conditions in Africa will get worse and more will come until white countries become minority white. Just go to urban areas, London is minority white Briton, it’s becoming so clear that even celebrities like John Cleese are pointing it out and immediately becoming smashed down by the media and he state for it. These Africans that are coming will have sub 70 IQ. It will take ages to educate them all to the point even a standard education is difficult. Then, Europe and America etc will be considered African countries, and will stagnate like South Africa
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>Sdage one
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>Sdade two
Withering
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Fucking Kek
Somehow you missed that zionism and communism are literally listed as synonyms in the dictionary...
>What is your evidence for a number of minority groups being inferior?
The color of your skin is clearly the most causal factor when determining superiority. History is a tale of certain groups dominating other groups most frequently on the basis of skin color with whites being the obvious victor and negroes the obvious loser. There is a direct correlation between melanin low IQ, crime, and cannibalism. The blacker the berry the more likely that berry will be a dumb berry who rapes, robs, murders, and consumes other berries. The only way to keep those berries in line is for white berries to enforce rules and laws on the black berries.
>Why do you blame the jews for a number of things?
Jews are poisonous berries who pretend they are white berries in order to advance the interests of poisonous berries. White berries have a history of trying to get rid of the poisonous berries so the poisonous berries have tricked the white berries into thinking white berries are actually poisonous berries and therefore must be raped, robbed, murdered, and consumed by black berries. With fewer white berries, the survival rate of the poisonous berries increases, and if the black berries ever get too uppity and decide to go after the poisonous berries, the poisonous berries have cut out a small patch of muslim berries and created a special place where poisonous berries are in control where they can flee to at the expense of the white berries.
Zionism:
a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.
Communism:
a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.
>What is your evidence for a number of minority groups being inferior?
Unlike your posh rich ass, I live and work with them.
There were huge population transfers after the 1st and 2nd world wars which secured the integrity of Southern and Eastern European ethnostates from being subsumed into German imperial structures
I am a eco fascist and that brings partial socialism but for worthy cause. Civil liberties come after the relocation or death of those who are seen incompatable for a civilization i imagine. Ethno nationalism is very important here as many races have many different ways if thinking of things and reacting in a homogenous soceiety there will be conflict but not much infighting as people will more naturally see themselves as a like minded group.
>against authoritarianism in all forms.
Then why the fucking commie flag.
Said the faggot with a sickle and hammer.
Precisely, it may very well be the case that some races or ethnic groups are better than others, but this is not integral to the reasoning of wanting to preserve your own ethnocultural group as it exists. The destruction of such groups (ethnocide) is recognized as a self-evident crime when it occurs to non-Europeans, it's only in the West that we play this game where everyone plays dumb and talks in circles and pretends to not know what you mean when you vocalize opposition to it
>Article 7 of a 1994 draft of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples uses both the word "ethnocide" and the phrase "cultural genocide" but does not define what they mean. The complete article reads as follows:
>Indigenous peoples have the collective and individual right not to be subjected to ethnocide and cultural genocide, including prevention of and redress for:
>(a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or ethnic identities;
>(b) Any action which has the aim or effect of dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources;
>(c) Any form of population transfer which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights;
>(d) Any form of assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures;
>(e) Any form of propaganda directed against them.
The same.
Both are Jewish, stupid.
>What is your evidence for a number of minority groups being inferior? Why do you blame the jews for a number of things?
those are just situational, the core tenets of right wing ideology is traditionalism, unification of state and church, upholding of tradition and marriage and so forth.
immigration is class warfare by the neoliberal elites against the working class
there you go
>I'm a hard leftie
Die, you commie scum.
I had to grow up in soviet union and it's all your fault.
That is a vast overgeneralization. You are thinking of the mainstream left, that doesn't mean all of the left.
I have heard of the great replacement theory, It has always seemed a bit far-fetched to me, though I'm not going to just straight up deny it being true without knowing for sure it isnt
>communism
>openness
pick ONE and only 1
>communist
>likes own race
nazbol is that you?
Are you curious on what nationalist views are?
Why is your null hypothesis, granted that you believe in evolution, that humans are all 100% product of environment? The scientific mind would believe that IQ is 80% heritable. Now what would happen if something like IQ being highly heritable mean when different races evolved for 10,000 years separately? Your entire world view must change once you take the race realism pill, that's why I'm "right wing."
>why do you think certain groups inferior
>what is the Jewish question
>what do you have to say for yourself pol
Lurk moar faggot there are endless threads on both of these everyday. They’re probably up right now.
I'm pretty much a fascism. I believe democracy doesn't work and it's use as a tool to divide people. I believe that every race needs a place to call home and I strongly believe in nationalism because humans are a tribal
>Any hard-rightwingers, why do you believe what you believe?
Live long enough, you'll see things for how they are. Was a rabid leftist when I was in my teens and early 20s when I hadn't done jack shit in life, the more I accomplished, the more I saw leftism as the dirty asshole it is.
>What is your evidence for a number of minority groups being inferior?
Crime stats, being around niggers for a few years, seeing Mexicans get arrested in my city every weekend for being drunk and fighting each other/beating their wives, etc. Again, reality and not ignoring truth makes things obvious.
> Why do you blame the jews for a number of things?
Because they have disproportionate power, and when you look at who is pushing the "white ppl bad" shit, 99/100 times, (((the name))) is the giveaway. American Jews literally want the nation to collapse, I don't really get why, but they have a fucking hard-on for seeing things get worse under the name of "equality", despite equality being something impossible to create.
Before you force this ideology on Europeans, force it on others you claim to protect first.
Black Lives Matter. Azn identity. La Raza.
Why can’t whites have their own? I mean, it’s okay to be white, right?
>Any hard-rightwingers, why do you believe what you believe?
Because I'm right. Because it makes sense.
>What is your evidence for a number of minority groups being inferior?
It doesn't matter if they're inferior or not (they are). They're not White. Therefore they don't belong in White nations.
>Why do you blame the jews for a number of things?
Because the Jews are always responsible for what is being done to White people.
>Could you elaborate?
Western civilization is superior because history proves it as such.
Only Whites could've created Western civilization and Western civilization can only be White.
>I am very much for civil liberties over everything else and I'm against authoritarianism in all forms.
Then you aren't a "leftie" you idiot. You're a hard confusedie.
>, given that they essentially pionered modern mathamatics?
So you're saying that without Arabs Whites would've never pioneered math?
Regardless, how does Arab pioneering math in your mind make Arabs superior to Whites?
>against authoritarianism
>Supports Communism
Kek, think about it
>and more just preservation and protection of the different groups?
Correct. True diversity is racial segregation.
Forcing the races to live together causes racism.
you kind of ruined your stance with the last clause.
Intentional Oxymoron?
literally my point you tard. as soon as you open up your society or make it democratic you get allende'd
You can't be far left and anti-authoritarian. There is absolutely nothing about the left that supports peoples rights. The left wants economic freedom taken out of the hands of people. The left wants gun rights taken out of the hands of people. The left wants freedom of speech taken out of the hands of people. I could go on and on and on about how leftists do absolutely nothing except fight AGAINST the rights of people. You are not anti-authoritarian. You are a government bootlicker and you don't even realize it. I'm an anarchist. I believe there should be no government and no taxes. People should do as they please without having to worry about control freaks like you, OP.
Why do you viciously only attack Europeans and the west?
Why do every other kind of human keeps their identity but not a European?
You NEVER stopped to question this. You ARE a cancer to white working class human fucking beings. No we DONT want nappy headed children and to apologize for being white.
FUCK you.
Marx is not White. Therefore he and his ideology doesn't belong in White nations.
>because leftist ideology never works and fails where ever its tried