Why did America fight in Vietnam?

We didn’t “lose” the war per say and it wasn’t even close to “all the male youth”

Learn some more history. The USA got the same demoralizing treatment from the Jewish media that Germany did in WWI. A moral defeat is worse than a physical defeat.

Vietnam was a loss, a political loss, not militarily because we actually fucked them raw, but it was still a loss.

You do know it was the communists behind the entire flower child movement, right user?

Americans just have a fragile psyche

On paper we could sustain 100 Vietnamese but the idea that things might not be going well even for just a little while is literally unconscionable to the average American voter who is naturally inclined away from
Foreign wars.

The us people gave up on Vietnam because nobody explained why it was happening

Sounds about right to a teenager

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Old men running the world.

jews decided it was time to thin the white herd a bit

Except the US lost. Nice fantasy.

The reason for Vietnam was to stroke the egos of the likes of Kissinger. The ptb didn't even want to win. Land would be gained and then the US would walk away from it. A total waste. Even the soldiers there knee it, and when someone got killed, they said he was "wasted" rather than "he died for his country". No one really has an answer to "why". The spread of communism didn't really matter. Nor "bringing freedom". The US doesn't care about the freedom of the Palestinians, or democracy. Look at how the US allies with Saudi Arabia, a veritable kingdom.

The US is a hypocritical regime.

>50,000 over 11 years

Made no measurable difference in the white population of the USA

>we
Fuck off
We were there because the french and British wouldnt fuck off and were so horribly cucked before the fighting even began that they needed us to do the dirty work for them

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they were cuking themselves to France (was about to lose its colony) and used communism as an excuse
literally just a war to enrich bankers and whoever profits with war
good thing they lost and Vietnam became prosperous and even saved the region from khmer rouge

>british

american education

No it was part of the larger context of upholding the global trade network garunteed by America After WW2

If the USA couldn’t even help France hold it’s primary Asian colonies then the promises the us made to dozens of countries for support and stability against communism would have been in doubt.

Vietnam was a war to demonstrate America’s willingness to defend the post ww2 system

The best thing for the US was the spread of communism. China was weak when it had it. America now makes only 10% of steel production compared to China, an essential material for projecting world power.

we were there so lady bird could rake in bell helicopter profits

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>trained the south vietnamese army before americans
>diplomatic shilling to keep vietnamese a french colony
Dumb faggot the british were just as involved in keeping us there as the french

>Vietnam became prosperous
It's still literally just as much of a shithole as it was back in the 60's

>we didn't lose
>not achieving your objectives while your enemies did
It's like if you're playing Counter-Strike as CT, and the bomb explodes, but your team is alive. You still lost.

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You forgot the part where the Jews threw a (((cultural revolution)))

Are you actually stupid?

To clean up the CIA's opium pipeline.

so why'd you do it then? you dont like either of those, why give a single fuck and waste billions of dollars so the military industrial complex owned by je-
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Hindsight is 20/20 it’s simply the thinking of the people in charge at the time.

Their thought was that they had to go into vietnam or the entire western coalition would have been in doubt.

We didn’t lose our objectives in Vietnam, we met all our objectives but the us was never willing to do what was necessary to make sure South vietnam was successful after we left

The (((CIA))) assassinated JFK because he was against the Vietnam War. The CIA even wanted to implement false flags on US citizens to gain support for said War but JFK prohibited them. It's no coincidence that JFK's VP, LBJ was pro Vietnam War too

>good thing they lost and Vietnam became prosperous and even saved the region from khmer rouge
It's a pretty badass country.

A benevolent dictatorship to protect against outsiders.
Low taxation. 0-5% tax in the far outskirts in the countryside.
Yet they still manage to maintain pretty good roads despite almost 0 taxes.

This is from a tiny village in the south tip of the country.
Lots of coconut palm trees everywhere.
Villages are built around the main road, just like we know it in America.

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Because these god forsaken, lazy shit allies in NATO want us to do all their heavy lifting, and our involvement in VN began while the ww2 leaders were still in office in europe and america. We shpupd have left europe to burn decades ago, theyve brought us nothing but rot

How does it matter to global trade if a country that has no navy, less than 1% of trade even matter? Go spend your life on something so irrelevant. 50,000 dead for nothing but a loss. Drugs became commonplace as newly created addicts returned, and a mongrels, son's of whores were allowed into the US. The Vietnamese spread their filthy seed into places like Los Angeles and Louisiana.

>Why did America fight in Vietnam?

To help spread communism around the world.

>promise a bunch of countries that you’ll be their military power in a grand allowance against the Soviet
>frances most important colony is in open revolt + communist revolution
>don’t help

I don’t think the USA should have made such promises but if you are the guys in charge of the world in 1960, demonstrating American willingness to comit force to maintain the system was absolutely critical at that moment in Vietnam

>why
the french jewed us

Sure, they thought, "How will we possibly get our oil from Saudi Arabia if there is a communist flag over Saigon?

No way. That's not the reason. Whatever the "reason", Vietnam was one miniscule fraction of it. Certainly not enough to risk American prestige. There was nothing there worth anything.

What system? The system has gotten along just fine with Vietnam ruled by communists.

thats based
so many so called capitalist democracies have WAY higher taxations

The French didn't want to fight anymore. If the US took on their "burden" that was very much optional. The days of imperialism were over and the UK had walked away from its empire.

It’s absolutely the reason you don’t understand the context of the war in the world at the time.

The USA committed to being the power behind the west after ww2.

Why would nations a bit aprehensive to us leadership join the fight against the society and enter the global trade network if they say that the USA wasn’t even willing to help France only 10 years after agreeing too?

If we weren’t going to assist France why the fuck would we assist india? Or Saudi Arabia?

Once again I don’t think we should have made the promises but OP asked why Vietnam happened.

That’s why

Just like America
" just like we know it in America."
No. Unless America is old women snapping lice between their black, betel nut stained teeth that they pick off one another's heads, while small children run around bare ass and they men are all about 5 feet tall.
Mexico, maybe. We should go back and start over, but this time roll right into Hanoi with everybody.

Vietnam was a money making machine for helicopters and heroin.

The global trade system the us put in plac after WW2 the “free trade” system why nobody has an army and navy and why everyone is allowed to export to the USA tariff free (until now) the un, worldbank and imf. The world as you know it since 1945 that the (((establishment))) is screeching about Trump ending.

And yes Vietnam did join as it turns out the Vietnamese commies weren’t that commie and were very willing to join the global trade network for sheckels only a few short years after the war

>Being this delusional

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I suspect it's also due to everybody using bikes and scooters.
Western roads face tougher weather changes, and carry big fat SUVs.

But yes, I was pretty surprised to see random village in the middle of coconut forests have nice roads.

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Yeah, but since WW1 the US had a policy of anti-colonialism. They could have used that to tell the frogs to go fuck themselves.

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This, Ho Chi Minh even declared Independence from France using the US declaration of independence since he had lived in NY in his youth and admired the US.
Had that faggot traitor Widrow Wilson listened to him at Versailles when he attempted to speak with him history would have been very different.

>Why did America fight in Vietnam?
Domino theory. The communist block successfully inspired the peasents to combine their nationalism with communism, and revolt against the French. We supported the south, where the feeling wasn't as strong. Korea 2.0. We didn't invade the North, and left with a peace deal that didn't last, as the north Vietnam was more ferverant and not as dependent on forgien aid (although they got plenty). 2.5 million people died in Cambodia after the North invaded the south after we left. Sometimes fighting the war leaves less people dead than not fighting it if that's your measure if it was worth trying or not. We didn't follow through though.

Cluster fuck of epic proportions. Apocalypse Now Redux touched on it in the French scene. We thought the communists would create an Indochina Communist superpower allied with Russia. We didn't realize the Vietnamese are nationalists and HATE the Chinese. We should have backed a communist Vietnam to go to war with the real threat, China.

And redpill for the Vietnamese, Ho Chi Minh was a Chinese plant & was removed in a coup by NVA generals.

Because its better we napalm 100,000 than communism kill millions.

We tried a few times and some of those failed and went commie for whatever reasons the concensus among leadership was that Vietnam was a final straw.

Rightly or wrongly

Probably Jews.

France was assholes to us. They made our soldiers leave France after WWII. They abandoned Vietnam. The US gave them their country back in WWII, so what did we owe them? Nothing.
Free trade would get along just fine without Vietnam.
You are saying that the war was over a concept, "global trade" but a concept does not need an army. In fact, after the war was lost and the US went home, global trade increased multiple times. It could not have been the essential factor, or global trade would have failed due to the loss of Vietnam.
The thing about your argument is that it is merely a concept. Like after 9-11, they said 9-11 happened due to a failure of imagination. Fuck that.

Name names. See who personally profited. Who gained more power. That is what will explain the war. No more foggy concepts that are unprovable.

Have a smiling opossum.

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My wife is Vietnamese. They're raising income taxes and people are getting PISSED there. An aunt of hers is married to a mid-high up at the city level in a major city. He's stolen tens of millions of dollars and proclaims to be a Marxist. Their roads are shit too. They have no real highway system and it takes FOREVER to get anywhere. Something that would be a 30 minute drive in the US is like 5 hours over there.

Cambodia invasion was good stuff. My wife's dad was pulled out of high school & drafted @17 to fight the khmer rouge, but had to go fight the Chinese instead. He said the NVA took way higher casualties than Wikipedia says. Both sides though, lots of artillery & mortars.

Military Companies pay politicians to start wars and buy their military equipment with us tax dollars. The politicians and the secret stockholders of these companies make a shitload of money.

I think they largely let the past rest by now.

None of them I met really hate the French, the Americans or the Chinese.
And the government doesn't seem evil either. They provide good roads cheap internet infrastructure without much taxation at all.

Fuck your highways.

Scooters and bikes don't need highways.

>Why did America fight in Vietnam?

Because since the end of WWII, All of America's wars are fought for purely political or economic reasons in an effort to expand our own power.

Just look at the world of today. On September 11th, 2001, we were attacked by Saudi Arabian terrorists who were trained, backed and financially supported with the full knowledge of the Saudi Arabian government. What was America's response? To invade Afghanistan and Iraq with the Saudis (who attacked us in the first place) as our allies. How does this happen, you ask? Because the Bush family had close ties to Bin Laden's family and Saudi oil. What good does it do to declare a 'War on Terror' if you make the terrorists your ally? America's government has been selling out the American people for decades. Until we wake up, nothing will ever change.

>Cambodia invasion was good stuff. My wife's dad was pulled out of high school & drafted @17 to fight the khmer rouge, but had to go fight the Chinese instead. He said the NVA took way higher casualties than Wikipedia says. Both sides though, lots of artillery & mortars.
This. It says something of how bad it was there for the commies to invade another commie country because they were slaughtering everybody with eye glasses and whatnot. We tried to hold them back from doing so diplomatically. Pretty bad fail on our part.

tl;dr France was getting uppity and was talking about breaking ranks in NATO because they didn't think the US was credible

Every modern problem was caused by France and England stubbornly declined. The middle east goes back to the English fucking up the map, asia was france fucking up everything, africa was france refusing to uncuck itself. Europe fucked up the world and made a fledgling world power try and clean it up while standing in their way at every step. NATO is the greatest scam ever played on America

That looks like compacted stone (pic related: angular stones and fines that get beat down with a roller or other compaction equipment). We use that here for some driveways and rural roads. It's easy to maintain with basic equipment and is perfectly fine for light traffic. It also makes a good base layer should asphalt be put down in the future.

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Just look. No one has a solid answer you can take to the bank. "Domino theory" is bullshit. It's a boogeyman argument like Hitler was going to invade the US through Brazil. There was nothing vital in Vietnam. Still isn't. The cheap labor only serves to further de-industrialize the US. If the US wants power today and for the next century, the solution would be to make China Communist again. Have them make their intelligentsia work in rice paddies again. Have them kill as many people as possible for saying one wrong thing. Power is a zero-sum game. One man's loss is another's gain.

>Why did America fight in Vietnam?
The Jews, MIC and agricultural corporations demanded it. They needed to sell guns and helicopters and you ain't selling shit to an army that ain't at war. And they needed their rubber trees protected(or, as it went on, destroyed). That's it. The military does not exist to serve this nation but the companies and foreign interests that profit off war. That's how it has been for the last century.
How could anyone believe this propaganda?

As long as I adore the idea of America being humbled by a bunch of rice farmers with pitchforks I have to admit the development of Vietnam's war was a blur.
So many things that could go wrong, went wrong. Hanoi with Ho Chi Mihn and then Le Duan were basically a rag tag team until America decided to intervene. China was more than happy to supply with Tanks and weapons to their brothers of ideals which meant an immense amount of actual good and even in some cases better guns than those of America's G.I.s with their febble M16's and M14's.
SKS and Type 56's were and still are to this day some of the most reliable weapons that the Vietnamese had.
Plus, the morale of the Northern Vietnam NEVER wavered. The eastern offensive and many other blitzkrieg attacks weren't to actually hurt the enemy but rather seize the idea that America's south Vietnam was and could be hurt and rivaled, something that for the time was unthinkable.

Anyway. America honestly shouldn't had gone to Vietnam.
Nothing was gained from that but shame and defeat. I like America now but you people thought of yourselves unironically as THE most powerful army in the world, which of course no longer true. But it was fun while it lasted and now we get to see and learn from that mistake.

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Americans trying to make the rest of the world live their way. Nothing surprising. They have always tried to do the same all along their brief history.

>not achieving your objectives
What objective did the American military have in Vietnam that was not achieved above and beyond expectations? Honest question for anyone? The ONLY American military objective in Vietnam was selling guns and helicopters, protecting/burning/poisoning rubber trees and throwing a load of young men in a fucking dumpster like every single worthless foreign war we've gotten involved in.
SO WHICH OBJECTIVE WASN'T ACHIEVED?
THE ARMS MANUFACTURERS PROFITTED
THE AGRICULTURAL CORPORATIONS WERE PLEASED