Why should German taxpayers pay for things that their great grandparents did?

source?

Germany must pay reparations to Greece.

Show flag fagg.

> After the war, in 1960, Greece accepted 115 million Marks from West Germany as compensation for Nazi crimes. Nevertheless, past Greek governments have insisted that this was only a down-payment, not complete reparations. In 1990, immediately prior to German reunification, West Germany and East Germany signed the Two Plus Four Agreement with the former Allied countries of the United States, United Kingdom, France, and the Soviet Union. For Germany the issue of reparations has been settled with this agreement.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_reparations#Greece

What was agreed after the war?
After the defeat of the Nazis, the Paris Peace Treaties of 1946 defined the war reparations that the various countries involved would have to pay.

Greece received $105 million from Italy (slightly more than the Soviet Union) and $45 million from Bulgaria. But Germany did not conclude such a peace treaty before 1990, since it had been split in two – West and East.

Nevertheless, the Paris Compensation Agreement established that Greece should receive 2.7% of total cash compensation paid by Germany and 4.35% of the transport industry, ships or other payment in kind. In effect this allocated $7.1 million at 1938 market value, around half of what Greece had demanded.

In February 1953 another pact, known as the London Agreement, was signed, which covered the general debts of defeated Germany to the winners – the Allies.

The prewar German debt was cut by about 50% and the time (West) Germany had available to repay was extended to 30 years. As for the the actual war debt, this was determined separately for each country (usually there was an agreement for a 50% cut but there were exceptions, for example the “moral” debts of Germany to Israel were not reduced at all).

After 1953, West Germany came to various agreements with individual states to pay additional compensation. In 1960 Germany agreed with Greece to pay 115 million DM to Greek individuals who were victims of the German occupation.

In total, Germany has paid around 72 billion euros in war reparations, according to Reuters.

euronews.com/2015/04/07/greeces-claim-for-war-reparations-from-germany-explained

>Nevertheless, past Greek governments have insisted that this was only a down-payment, not complete reparations
>For Germany the issue of reparations has been settled with this agreement.

Of course the Germans would prefer not to pay for their crimes. But Greece still demands reparations for WW2.

Also, for a deeper legal view

dw.com/en/poland-greece-team-up-on-nazi-era-war-reparations-demands/a-45836168

this was actually my proxy
this is my real flag

see This is the German view on a German propaganda website.

The Greek government of the time agreed that after the 115 mil. DM payment Germany would not have to pay any further reparations.

Politicians always look for money to give people gibs and get reelected. Reparations are just an easy source. That is why past governments refuted that.

Germany owes us nothing.

The war is over you souvlaki eating idiots.
Get over it.

America never paid for their crimes. As a matter of fact, no country ever paid war reparations, except if agreed in a peace treaty like Versailles and international courts have consistently held that no country is liable to another for damages done in court, unless so agreed by both sides in an agreement.

Which is why Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Panama, Somalia, Serbia etc. all cannot successfully sue the US for billions of damages inflicted in their wars of aggression.

You Germs must pay for your crimes

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bbc.com/news/world-europe-31849430

> Berlin paid 115m Deutschmarks to Athens in 1960 in compensation. It was a fraction of the Greek demand but was made with the agreement there would be no more claims.

>Nevertheless, past Greek governments have insisted that this was only a down-payment, not complete reparations

loans are loans kraut.
Reparations are a different thing.
I say YES, cause modern Germany is cancer
1 Trillion € minimum!

Greeks are more intelligent than Australians.

This thread is about Germany and not America.

The real Germans are dead, let's be honest.

Short legal overview over the international law aspects of war reparations.

lalive.law/data/publications/EPIL_War_Reparations_(1).pdf

your own source

And what part should I read?

Greece is a shit hole, welfare state that cant pay its denbts.

Brits violated Iran's neutrality in ww2. Should they also pay reparations?

Germany should pay reparations to Ukraine for forcing our ancestors to be guards at concentration camps.

>Doesn't understand it's a political stunt of Tsipras for the upcoming elections next month

Enough VPN jew. Just because the next government refuses to acknowledge the previous one it doesn't mean it didn't exist.

A culture of laziness perpetuates modern Greece and its government. Reparations would only serve to further entrench it. Without struggle there can be no growth.

Greece is a 1st world country and there is no welfare in Greece.

Hitler fucking respected us
>"For the sake of historical truth I must verify that only the Greeks, of all the adversaries who confronted us, fought with bold courage and highest disregard of death.. " (From speech he delivered to Reichstag on 4 May 1941)

checked

Reminds me of the memeball where Germany is getting poked with a stick and being taunted "go on, do nazi stuff."

It's better to get 300 billion Euro than to not get 300 billion Euro.

And then Greece turned like a date that regretted sex the next day.

Vgale tin meme simaia gamw to mouni tis paliopoutanas tis gamiolas tis Manas sou

If Germany agreed to pay that 300B the greek government would just blow it on welfare so it can get reelected. No productive member of society would see any benefit. It would only serve to damage greece in the long term

How is that?

I'm a proud Greek and I will onyl reply to you if you write to me in perfect Greek.

Germany could give Greece other things of the same worth. Israel f.e. got 2 free submarines even though they never asked for it. For the German state, the opinions of Jews are worth more than those of white Christian European Greeks.

Right after they pay us ;)

I mean us not U.S.

PAY DENBTS

Skim it all, but if you want to read any in detail just start with the post ww2 part or just the post-1990 part to check what the current legal situation is.

the absolute STATE of greek """men.""" look at these cucks sucking german dick ITT

Hehe got you larper, thing is grreklish can only be understood from people who know Greek language, its an another superior aspect of our language, no Google translate can save you, ante poulo twra gamw tin poutana tin mana sou kai olo sou to spiti

Τρελέ μου, It's not the german people that rule. It is the traitor politicians, that sold their country for some shekels to the jews. All western countries would listen to the jew before any other white country.

We must fight the problem directly. Division between whites only serve the jew.

I actually don't care about this issue and now I'm going for a walk.
fuck you and all other retarded people on this website

didnt read

>Why should German taxpayers pay for things that their great grandparents did

with the same logic , young Greeks own nothing since the debt created by their grandparents

Right ?

find better argument next time

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Gamw to spiti kai tin mana sou, gamwpaido mpastardo sou gamaw oti exeis kai dn exeis, gamw ta nekra sou kai ta zwntana sou, gamw to mouni tis manas sou i mipos dn ksereis pia kariola se kserase?

>young Greeks own nothing since the debt created by their grandparents
>Right ?

This is actually correct. Young Greeks can democratically vote for a party which declares bankruptcy and does a debt restructuring. They have that option. Paying debts is completely voluntarily for Greece. Or course not paying debt can result in negative (short term) economic consequences because the Greek financial sector would collapse and Greece would need to adopt a depreciated Drachma.

Also most people in Germany aren't German anymore. And we already paid for their euro safety umbrella

I agree that Germany should not pay reparations to Greece or any other country. We should remember about our history, yet we can't be slaves to the past. War damages become an excuse for bad governing and populism babble. Even though politics from my country sometimes act in similar way, most of the population is against such approach.

Because Greece economic problem today has nothing to do with any world war and they should have asked for this directly after the war not 2-3 generations later

I don't care that they aren't happy with the old deal.
This only reemerges because they are butthurt that we handle their economy now. Nothing but hurt pride. If not for our economic interference they would be a communist or nazi failed state by now.
That's what they get for being so neglectful and badly organized as a state.
We already spoke out against their membership back then because we knew how corrupt the government was and that even the average person didn't pay their taxes. Greece was living from credit to credit and was about to fuck up it's rating but then they were allowed to enter the EU for emotional reasons and got the highest credit rating again.
Do you think they took the chance and changed anything? Nope, rinse and repeat until the crisis hit them.
What did they learn?
>Germany bad WAAAAAAHHHH,
>Merkel literally Hitler
>EU oppressive WAAAAHHH
>Hellas!!!
>Your oppression caused this in the first place gib money

Real nigger moment there

The true problem is that we idiots still go on vacation to Greece. Not good.

Haha

Except Greece's economic situation has nothing to do with the war.

The modern German is a shell of a human being, one of the lowest forms of life. Germans deserve everything that is happening to them.

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Exactly. Also with all due respect, nobody would go back to something about ww2 unless they needed money due to bad decisions. They know their problems have nothing to do with it.

youtu.be/pIqu5VE59xM

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You seem to have a golden goose.
First you paid off all the europe, yet you somehow managed to build a biggest economy and strongest army. Now you pay off israel and all the europe, and half of africa, yet you somehow manage to build a biggest economy and as you don't build no army, you must pay reparations to mother Russia.
Or you may just remove our cryptocommies and we're through.

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Hans, what do you expect from a greasy greek?
t. italian

That is because to get any refund from german companies you have to supply documents that german private or state owned entities took something from you. Now in countries like France, finding such documents is possible. In countries like Poland it is not, because here germans didn't play the whole the here is your recipt for us cutting 12ha of forest.

But they didn't when they were suppose to pay of eastern europe Soviet Russia made us give the money back to them. And when the US proposed the marshal plan to countries in central europe, Soviet Russia made them not take it. And then in the 50s when Poles finaly found something worth mining in their country aka uranium, Stalin made a quick border correction, and the mines went to Soviet Russia, while in return we got some belarusian swamp forests, with no resources in them other then mosquitos.

But then Sweden should pay too because it actively supported the German war effort through shipment of raw materials even though they knew of all the horrible atrocious crimes being committed (muh 6 billion). How many prcious lives could've been saved without the Swedish assistance?

You mean Aborigines?

>blow it on welfare
You misspelled Russian weapons

Amen.

Because (((people))) made this behavior acceptable. To continuously ask for reparations generations after whatever assumed wrong doing occurred when nobody who was around is even alive anymore. Niggers ate it up like cake, and the native americans, and now the greeks.

Your banks have made billions of the debt and even Juncker admits it didn't cost you a penny.

based uncle joe, cucking the pol menance

first rational pole I have seen in a while on pol

Even though I want germoney to PAY DENBTS I have to say this formal letter shit is just another trick our leftist goverment employed to impress the retarded vote base before the upcoming elections.

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Lay renps, Hans.

You do understand that demanding 377b when we enter negotiation doesn't mean that Greece really expects that. And it's not just that, Poland recently started discussion on war reparations as well (1trillion by some sources)

1. The part where Greece is going to get some money for sure is the forced loan Germany took from Greece in 1943 which has not been neither repaid nor talked about post war.(est.8-10 billion)
2. I'm not going to argue: The timing does fit Greek govts political interests and is more of a symbolic move aiming to point out how shitty, corrupt and controlled by foreign interests all previous Greek (basically right wing) governments were. (Today's govt isn't that better before you start calling me a syriza-shill). Especially now that syriza is rapidly losing support.
3. (Again and again) all german bild readers claiming you have lost billions bailing us out- srsly, get your shit together. German efficiency in reading comprehension has been lost nowadays I guess

You practically dragged us into the EU and have profited hugely since (same with all Europe countries that joined the eu)
You have no idea what you're talking about

These demands may actually stop wars from economic perspective. Good. Kikes could be out messiah after all (one of characteristic of moshiah is that (((he))) ends wars)

>stop wars
END wars.

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The Germans are broke. Their whole export based economy was built on debt being shifted around inside the EU. Other countries indirectly get loans via European central bank from Germany (in the end covered by German citizens) to buy stuff from German companies ... now this whole construct has become so bloated and dysfunctional that it is about to pop. Euro will collapse into nothing within the coming years, Germany will suffer hyperinflation not seen since 1920s. And tomorrow belongs to me ...

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Only German taxpayers with Greek citizenship should pay!

no, because of italy

Cause Germany is the Peggy Bank of Europa.
PAY!!

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Of (((peace))) fuck The jewish puppet

Are the Greeks going to pay Armenians reparations?

hahahahahahaha PAY UP GERMONEY

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>no country ever became great by receiving gibs
That's right germany also became great on it's own so greece should just do the same. BTW please do NOT look up Marshall Plan

If Greece, when it was still relevant 2300 years ago, had not conquered the East but the North, they might have brought us democracy, thereby preventing the nazis.
I say the Greek direly need to pay reparations to Israel for not preventing the Holocaust when they had the chance!

they shouldn't and if they should tax the war profiteers who made the money not the plebs

Murrica in charge of history

Greece really is the nigger of Europe.

Ahaha this is rich.
>Lend them billions to bail them out
>Pay you back? No, no, no, you have to pay us for reparations.
lmao, absolute madlads

Θα kαταστρέψουμε τη Γερμανία

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You shouldn’t and you should just say “no”, but you won’t say no, you’ll pay