Is self-sufficiency a meme? How self-sufficient can a man be...

If you're autistic and have no taste buds self-sufficiency is easy.
Grow potatoes in a stacking box and eat nothing but french fries, poutine, potato skins, etc. and take a $2/month B12 supplement and congrats you're self-sufficient.

If you're a normal human being you're going to hate your life though. Growing veggies is great and all but it only saves a marginal amount of money. It mostly results in people improving their fiber intake whilst barely putting a notch in their caloric intake.
Potatoes are the most dense calories per square foot veggie there is so have fun with that.

Self sufficiency doesn’t have to be all or nothing user. A little here and there is better than total reliance on ZOG and Chaim’s Chain Stores.

>d-don’t grow your own food goyim, I-it will upset the delicate ecology of the economy

One of the most shilled topics here.

>potato stacking box meme
Get out of your mom's basement and do something that didn't come from an infographic bud. You can just grow potatoes in a big bucket.

>Is self-sufficiency a meme? How self-sufficient can a man be? Aristotle wrote in Politics that anyone capable of self-sufficiency is either a beast, or a god, and argues that a state is a necessary good. Assuming you can grow your own food and have a clean water source and electricity, you still need money for a variety of things.
No one is more self-sufficient than Australians.

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I absolutely love gardening. While I don't think I'll ever take it to the self-sufficient level, it is a great skill to know.

tldr : nitrogen

We tried growing nothing but heirloom varieties, but not all of them are great. Main advantage, apart from taste, is being able to save true-to-type seed. That's the scary pill, something like 66% of our food plant seed stock is owned by three companies.

Look at Mount Athos the monks there are able to live their lives without relying on the outside world. It can be done and the government won't care. No one cares what people will do as long as they don't try to go and influence the cities.

The box method works too. But so does making a circle of wire fencing, throwing in leaves you rake up, and some compost. Use your imagination. It’s what created civilization.

What is FVEY?

That would be highly dependent on many things.
In homegrown food it would take 4-5x longer to grow what mass produced food does. Homegrown has higher lignin and vitamins because it takes longer to grow.
Mass produced has less lignin and higher water content.

If you dehydrated them and pyrolized them on a mass per mass basis they would be identical. Homegrown has higher fiber content and higher vitamins. Dehydrated vegatibles from mass produced sources has less dietary fiber but the exact same vitamin content as home grown products because you're eliminating the bloating phase (because you're not waiting for hydrophillic cellulose to convert to hydrophobic lignin which is what is actually the change in mass)

nothing to worry about, I'm sure

I throw peas everywhere for nitrogen. Also blood meal.

Heirlooms come in an incredible variety. I don’t know how it works in upside down land but in the US typically each area will have seed saver clubs who will hook you up with plants bred for your local area.

an individual human?
humans are not designed to go solo, we naturally form groups
a single group can be fully self sufficient however, it just requires the right conditions.

>Aristotle
back in his day the faggot, literal one, didn't have the knowledge or technology now.

Five Eyes, the US Government can’t shill and spy on IS citizens so they use Australians, Canadians, and Brits to shill here. It’s one of the reason why the ones on this board are such boot licking commie cunts. Communists have deeply infiltrated the intelligence and militaries of western nations. Look up the “long march through the institutions.”

It’s one of the reasons why Lauren and Faith and Gavin and Milo and Sargon are used to shill, they can do things which aren’t legal for the FBI or CIA.

I meant US, not IS.

The pic you have posted looks like it could be from Austria, 20 years ago.

Miss these days. The world wasn't fucked up back then as it is today.

Yeah, about the same here. Depends on what you want to grow though.
We use basalt dust in our garden beds, crushed charcoal and composted plants and animal shit. Seems to work well.

Get out of the city user.

What’s the basalt dust supposed to do, increase drainage?

It's just sub-irrigation and has been a thing forever.
It is usually used for tomatoes and marijuana.

Makes sense why so many ecelebs are Canadian, I guess

pay that property tax, goy. no place to run.

Trace elements mainly. Raises ph. Certainly seems to attract worms too.

free hydration!

Shit like this is why I still come to this hellhole.

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it's probably attainable to have full self-sufficiency if you had some startup capital and skills, but it wouldn't be a leisurely lifestyle, you'd be working non-stop like 16-18 hours per day every day, 365 days a year most likely, if you wanted to maintain adequate food, shelter, clothing, warmth, clean water, avoidence of pests/rodents, and probably a million other things I'm forgetting.

That's why farmers would have like 10+ kids, they could put the kids to work on the family farm, divide the work while sharing resources/shelter, etc. in a way it's sort of like a "small community" so in that sense I suppose it's not individual self-sufficiency.

I planted some potatoes in grow bag recently and have the potatoes sitting on a couple inches of soil and then soil covering the potatoes just enough and wondering wither or not i can completely fill up the grow bag and leave them be or should I add more soil as the potatoe stalk grows.

Amazing how the e-celebs receive so much promotion and even get TV interviews eh?

If you want to know how to help yourself, watch what (((they))) shill against. They also hate OpenBSD.

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I mean self-sufficiency is relative, you can be more or less self-sufficient

Yes to be truly a one-man society is not easy and fraught with issues, but that is not an argument against taking some steps toward self-sufficiency and reducing how reliant you are on the greater economy for your survival and comfort.

You can also team up with other skilled men and families. The point is not so much to be a one man society, but to be able to insulate your family, extended family, and friends/neighbors/village from the caprices of the globalist jew economy.

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And stop slightly rephrasing the same shit over and over you dumbfuck faggot AI chatbot.

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good thread OP
today you were not a faggot

It's illegal to be self-sufficient in the US. You have to pay property tax. Hell in some states you are required by law to be hooked up to the electrical/water grid. There is no escape.

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Keep covering up the vines as they grow but never cover more than 1/3rd of the exposed plant as it grows. Just keep adding a little bit of soil at a time. Do not let light shine on the taters, it makes them poisonous and you could get a heart attack and die. Any green potatoes are inedible, but they can be used as seed potatoes to start your next crop.

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its easily doable
but like anything else it is all stored labor

you have to build it up

lambs, chickens, pigs
grain in a few fields
rest to vegetables
fruit trees and berries

5 years,

>a thread discouraging people from becoming more self sufficient is “good”
Kill yourself. Just do it, it’s time.

I’m growing:

>peas, edible pod and shelling
>beans, lima, broad, orca
>spinach
>cress
>squash, crooknecks, zucchini, acorn, spaghetti
>cukes, armenian and amerigoy
>roma, japanese black, cherry tomatoes
>tomatillos
>purple potatoes (they don't get attacked by insects unlike every other variety I have tried)
>garlic, onions sweet and yellow, garlic chives, egyptian walking onions, wild gathered ramps which i planted, and leeks
>artichokes
>sage, lavender, rosemary, thyme
>blueberries
>also i have a pear tree and an apple tree
Probably other stuff too which I can't remember.

Where will the money to pay that come from?
From a job? From selling your produce? You're not self-sufficient then. You rely on other people to give you money so you can pay your rent.

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you still have to collect jewbucks somehow to pay your tax bill or else we're taking back the land we loaned you when you "bought" it.

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Pine Gap spys on everyone. How did the military get so comrpomised? Isnt the military still fairly meritocratic with people rising through the ranks? I imagine most are just following orders and unaware of the purpose. I think in general people in the military are fairly nationalist anti communist.

You don't actually need all of that. You can live in a mud hut and wash your ass in the creek (or not at all) never brush your teeth ect.

Buy this book to help you with preserving your crops without pressure canning or freezing. It has hundreds of time tested traditional European methods.

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It is a meme so long as property tax is a factor and it ALWAYS is.

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what do you do for work?

It’s the sit on ass “hearts and minds” liberal arts and language types who are commies, look up Human Terrain.

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Full self-sufficiency is still the ideal and the goal. And it is a fact that this ideal is illegal in most countries.
When someone says "It's illegal to be self-sufficient in the US" it should be pretty obvious to you that they mean full self-sufficiency so stop playing these pedantic games.

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>the government won't care

>multiple nations, including motherfucking RUSSIA, would probably declare war on you if you did anything to Mount Athos

I'm Orthodox myself but even I recognize that Athos doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Paying homage to a master is a serf's life, it isn't self-sufficiency or freedom. It's likely the closest you'll find to true freedom but you're still inevitably chained to society.

Trying to grow a lot of food, want to grow as much as I can so I don't have to buy it. Food here in Canada is getting expensive anyways.

My neighbours have gardens as well, some different things they've planted too, so I figure we'll have a very small scale mutual aid type deal, where if for example I want some raspberries from my neighbour I could give them some radishes or whatever shit I have that they want. We got new neighbours last year, a middle aged french woman who knows a plethora about gardening and natural shit, and I've learned a lot already from her. She makes shit grow like crazy

Learning how to grow shit as well will help when shit hits the fan and we gotta fend for ourselves. Or when the world government is initiated and I head out into the bush to not be apart of that shit

Everybody notice how the shills have taken and rephrased two basic arguments against moving toward self sufficiency:
>property taxes
>massive labor cost
They just keep rephrasing them over and over...

Literally we have AI chatbots in the thread.

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a good lifeskill, specially in our dumb backward bogan shitstain of a country. Australia; where sourgrapes is the only reaction you get towards nicer things the yanks and poms have.

eco fascism is the tribal environmentalist and farmers political system of choice.

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That’s great user. Make sure to make a list of which of the members of your community are agitating to sell your nation out to NWO global slavery. Keep it safe and hidden away.

>live off the grid
>have no job
>grow own food

sounds like this goyim cant pay his tax bill in jewbucks so the bank gets to sell it to a new tenant

lol, half the people in this country would die like roaches without centrelink.

Your country could be so great, what the fuck is going on there?

It's not an argument against it you fucking kike.
It's a complaint that achieving full self-sufficiency is made impossible. You should still strife to get as close to that ideal as possible.
But go ahead and call other people chatbots while half your posts are nothing but pointing to the same shitty posts over and over.
McFucking kill yourself.

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You're only reiterating what I just said. You're still a slave, just a little better off than most.

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I think it's either been initiated, or is in motion, but believe me, I will. I'm even keeping track of all the political/NWO fuckery even happing in my own city.

It's like they're purposefully pitting us against each other

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Post more books

it's just sour faggots who don't have a garden behind their trailer, calm it guys

There is a very good reason why you have ten million Chinese citizens and former members of the PLAN in your nation presently.

you still didnt explain how you'll cough up them jewbucks every year to the tax man

Crockett’s Victory Garden is a great one.

forgive my ignorance but whats " the PLAN"?

People’s Liberation Army Navy, the chink military.

he meant PLA though of course PLAN is part of it.
people's liberation army. navy.
chinks.

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Any more? I am genuinely interested in homesteading.

Gardening faggot here

I grew much by myself (salad, tomatoes, potatoes, cucumber, strawberry, chilli) and soon Im going to have some animals like chickens (Bees are already on their way)

It isn't really that hard to learn the skill of gardening/growing

oh, yeah, we're fucked for that definitely

I have a whole shelf of books but I’m shitposting from bed all comfy next to my wife who is sleeping. I don’t want to wake her up. The book on fermentation by Sandro Katz is considered to be the best on the topic, a great read even if he’s an AIDS-infected faggot kike.

All I did was make you acknowledge that you literally can't escape the taxes. I'm not trying to dissuade you from pursuing self-sufficiency to the greatest degree you can. You are acting like the only bot shill ITT.

>Is self-sufficiency a meme

Total hermit self-sufficiency is regression. An integrated society is the source of all advances, and a full self-sufficiency nation would be so underpowered that it would instantly be invaded and occupied by the first shithole that saw fit to try.

Some degree of self-sufficiency is essential, you should not be calling an electrician every time you need to replace a lightbulb, but relying on others is essential. We see this in the most basic structure of an advanced society; marriage is a partnership between a man and a woman. A good woman does not need her man to do all the labor around the house, but she also allows him to provide a primary income while raising children and maintaining the household. On a larger social scale, the welder does not necessarily need to know how to replace the clutch on his work truck, because his time is more valuable as a welder than as an amateur mechanic doing mediocre work.

Supporting local agriculture against corporate produce is still good, though, even if local farmers are less efficient if measured by purely economic factors. Division of labor is good but global-scale corporatism is not. Subscribe to Pewdiepie.

Of course not fag got ofc some jew would have u think it

Yeah it’s easy and trial and error will tell you how to proceed. Bees are great, I’ve not kept them yet but I intend to. Might be tough with the city and neighbors spraying though. Great job user.

Don’t worry, Uncle Sam has had plans to invade and liberate Canada for a very very long time.

greenpill is the ultimate redpill
if every citizen could be self sufficient you literally destroy the system in thousands of pieces
that's why they fear it so much

Sick man, any tips on growing strawberries from seeds? Mine never work out so I buy the already grown plants and go from there

Also it's up to you, but I've heard duck eggs have better nutrition than regular chicken eggs. Whenever I get to that stage of raising something such as chickens, I would definitely raise ducks, find them to be stupid cute and they are beneficial to ecosystems

I have tasted the wine made by people completely on their own via their own sole efforts and knowledge, it's common in the rural backwaters of Europe. It's truly the stuff of beasts. That pretty much says it all. A man on his own can't even produce wine befitting of a man, let alone everything else.

Sandor not Sandro

Yep, and every step toward self sufficiency counts.