Is climate change actually real?

it's pretty much bullshit but the reported disappearance of all kinds of bugs and animals does bother me though. anyone know where to get accurate information on that one?

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Yes, the climate always changes. Are people causing it? Probably not.

Who knows, lots of people believe, but the panic is just retarded.
If the theories are correct, Chinese economic and African population growth will fuck shit up regardless of wether my European micro-state votes Green and bans plastic bags.

Of course. It changes all the time. And we’re just making it a tiny bit worse. Anyone who says otherwise is a retard or guzzling Fox News cock

Probably the poison we spray on crops.

Global warming is real
It is real
IT IS REAL

Yes, but it's all china's and India's fault.

It's not the climate, it's the fucking plastic, and petrochemicals we are spraying on our crops.
That shits also affecting us, particularly men, as some of the chemicals are synthetic estrogen. He wasn't entirely wrong about the "water turning the freaking frogs gay"

I’d say the browns are fucked, m’dude

>Is climate change actually real?
Hopefully, with the governments forcefully importing the 3rd world global warming will be great weapon to kill the nigger filled planet

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>all the information i ignore false

No of course not. Just yesterday they admitted the sea levels aren't even rising.

This.

>Yes
What is the ideal temp for Earth? Ideal % of cloud cover? Ideal sea level?

Yes. There are thousands of peer reviewed articles about it. There isn't a debate about this unless you unironically believe in da jooz running a global conspiracy.
Of course, we aren't going to go extinct in 80 years or whatever the fuck the loonies are saying.

There's a lot of subquestions embedded in that.
>Does the climate change?
Yes
>Do humans impact the environment?
Yes
>Is CO2 a greenhouse gas?
Yes
>Is the climate controllable?
Potentially, to what degree, and whether it is economically feasible is another question that I don't know the answer to.
>Is it in the interest of every nation to combat climate change?
No - Russia, Canada, and parts of China contain uninhabitable spaces. Equatorial countries and those with large coastal populations have incentives to pay.

Developing technology to manipulate weather and climate should be a goal regardless - it'll be critical for terraforming.
Fusion will make this whole discussion pointless in 300 years anyway.

>There isn't a debate about this
It's nothing but a debate. Nice try. Proper science can be tested, the effects of a small % change in ppm of CO2 on planet Earth, can not.

Today is June 7th 2019. I live in Wales, and the highest temperature in my area today was 14C. May 6th of this year was the coldest May bank holiday in Britain for 170 years. I'm not sure how this is physically possible if the global temperature has supposedly been rising for a century.
How can the temperature drop to the coldest for nearly 2 centuries if it's meant to have steadily risen for half that time?

This. We know the chemical properties of CO2 and which wavelengths it absorbs, but the practial effect on climate is unknown and all predictions have failed.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=I2gsbrZd-K0

Hey an actually intelligent post, you don't see to many of those around here.
I actually came to this thread to talk about your second to last point. Regardless of the dangers if climate change as it is currently occurring, we should be paying an enormous amount of attention to how we can change the climate to our needs. This shouldn't be an argument based on returning the climate to its natural state, but how we can best because from it. Also save the fregs

>Because
*Benefit

WHEN YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO A BRAINWASHED SCHOOL GIRL TO TUG ON THE HEART STRINGS OF YOU EVIL ADULTS THEN YOU KNOW IT'S REAL.

P.S. IT'S A SCAM.

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It probably is real. But the hysteria surrounding it is being done for reasons that have nothing to do with climate change. If these activists actually gave a shit they would be cracking down on India, China, Africa and other countries that are responsible for the lions share of world pollution. They would be demanding that they implement forced lower birth rates and higher regulations of industry. But you never hear even a peep about this. All they do is throw tantrums in America and Europe about it, which are the cleanest places environmentally. Also, the language behind the hysteria changes every fifteen years. fifteen years ago it was called "global warming", before that it was "The Ozone", before that "the trees", etc...always the exact same type of people and the same level of hysteria, different subject. there are a lot of red flags that something is wrong with this environmental hysteria syndrome, I suspect it's some ploy to fuck up western countries industry.

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>is ManBearPig real?
the state of liberal education

>A small percent change
ie. Doubling it?

We can't predict the weather but we can predict overarching trends of increased temperature. Temperature records are being consistently broken year after year

Even if climate change is complete bullshit most fossil fuels cannot compete with renewables for price and the whole not dying of soot in you lungs is a pretty sweet deal desu

>What are Milankovitch cycles, Alex?

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This

Riddle me this retards.

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>ie. Doubling it?
Do you have any knowledge of historical norms? It was 5000ppm+ for hundreds of millions of years, and some of the most productive times. 200ppm is near plant death.

Oh man, have I got a good punishment for pseudoscience.

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Yes and theres nothing we can do about it because the chinks and poos are responsible.

Imagine believing human-induced climate change wasn't real whilst believing in a sun god created by jews thousands of years ago.

>>Is CO2 a greenhouse gas?
>Yes
lol
try again

>We've only have precision data for the last few decades
Riddle me this, what was the local temps there 500mil yo?

>Temperature records are being consistently broken year after year
That's all 100% bullshit.
>but muh temps!
Only after ((((((((adjusted))))))) temperatures are figured. If you pull up data from NASA in the 1980's and 1990's, you see them saying the exact same bullshit they are saying today, with the same temperatures they are saying today, but when you look at their graphs today, none of that shit is showing up. Where's the grand spike they've been screaming was happening during the 1980's? It's somehow ((((vanished)))) so they can claim it's happening today instead. It's bullshit, bottom to top.

>frogs dying off at record rates

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>Neocon boomers point to snow as proof that climate change is fake
>"Lol thats not how it works retards"
>Shitlibs point to a hot day in Finland
>"LOOK CLIMATE CHANGE"
This is why voting needs to be suppressed and free speech abolished

yes it's real and the only way to stop it is to give complete control over every single thing in the country to the government, also stop having white children and pay more in taxes. it's obviously the only way

noice

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There unironically is a debate on this..

Wait what?

>global warming is real and harmful
Fuck yeah, let this crazy world burn.
>global warming is real and beneficial
Fuck yeah, bring those mad 800ppm crops on.
>global warming is real and neutral
Fuck yeah, at least it's warmer now.
>global warming is fake
Fuck yeah, told ya.

I can't lose.

The fact is humans are not responsibly using Earth's resources. We seem to lack any unified goal besides if it feels good do it.

CO2 doesn't act like greenhouse glass. In some examples, it tends to reflect light more than trap it, as if CO2 molecules were quadrillions of tiny, spinning mirrors. Does it reflect more light away from Earth than the combined light/heat/pressure its existence preserves on Earth? Good luck getting consistent results from any sort of experiment.

So the Earth doesn't tilt, and has a perfectly stable orbit?

Of course it is

That isn't the point though. The point is the rate of change. The most extreme change in temperature on record was 5 degrees over 20,000 years during the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum with a carbon output during that period
well below what we are outputting now. Life can adapt to environmental changes given time but we aren't giving it time.

nature.com/articles/nature23646

>(((adjusted)))
You can literally download the raw data yourself. The only reason adjusted data is used is as a control.

data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/stdata/

>Does not believe the oil jews in 2019
get a load of this guy.
Give me 1 evidence from the bible that says climate change is real.

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Only because you people refuse to accept evidence unless it confirms to your world view. Why would [insert boogeyman here] hijack Nasa instead of the oil companies making gorillions of dollars?

yes, but it has always been changing - since the beginning. nothing to see here, it'll sort itself out.

No shit, they’re all turning gay

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>but we aren't giving it time
Drop the memeflag. 50ppm is nothing.

>The only reason adjusted data is used is as a control.
WOW.

environmental destruction due to degenerate modern consumerism is real, climate change is not. taxes won't solve this shit either, so don't vote dem.

Yes, it's real. Cap and Trade is still a scam though.

Yes but most of the far left don't complain about china and India and just want extra taxes and people to use public transport

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>You can literally download the raw data yourself.
Except the raw data's been fucked with. In 1985, NASA stated there was a 2-degree temperature increase between 1958 and 1985. That temperature increase no-longer shows up in the raw data does it?

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>climate change
its retarded they had to appropriate this term for global warming, cus its obvious that the climate does change, it is impossible for it to stop changing. If you are wondering if pollution effects the climate then it shouldnt matter, there are technological alternatives for energy to fossil fuels which can minimize pollution, which if not effecting the climate, does effect nature and humanity. The oil cartels suppress these technologies though because they only care profit.

>hello fellow gentiles: the post

Her mother should be stoned for drinking whilst pregnant

It’s literally a Jewish trick user
Most everything today is just a Jewish scheme or trick
Feminism vaccines theory of relativity global climate warmcoolchange its all just bullshit to milk wealth from the host population

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No, moron, if these technologies existed, the oil companies would buy them. How high was the roof from which you were dropped on your head?

Too lazy to look up the sources but you can find it pretty easily. Frogs are indeed dying off and the main culprit is this kind of fungus that grows on their skin and it prevents them from being able to breathe correctly or absorb water.

This. If you think things are bad now you have no idea. India is going to ruin its ecosystem soon and Africa cannot feed itself without aid. Once global finance collapses we are going to experience the largest famine in human history.

Perhaps you should examine your own side for a change.
Climate scientists used boogeyman tactics to get what they wanted and it worked extremely well in the last 3 decades. They screamed that there's a HOLE IN DA OZONE to get legislation passed and the atmosphere improved, despite there not being a hole quite like they said there was. The ends justified the means.
So you know you're working with manipulators that have had enormous success with boogeyman tactics in the recent past. That is the very backbone of your argument.
You also know that these scientists participate in gross groupthink. The whole argument you had before "there is no debate" is extremely dishonest, but effective amongst professionals. There is nothing BUT debate. Screaming "there's no debate" when you have such inaccurate models, boasting less than 30% accuracy as the standard is telling. You know you're being lied to -- but you refuse to question "why" or "how much".

Yes. Climates change. What causes it though..... Its not cow farts or petroleum based fuels (it is to a very small degree).

Its pole shifts and natural cycles. Any denying this and you are not capable of independant thought.

The climate has never remained constant, and to think that we can effect it or change it to desirable conditions is beyond what humanity is capable of akin to time travel and other such hocus pocus. Throwing money at an unsolvable problem does not solve it, the only course of action if it makes some area's uninabitable is to take the land that will be inhabitale and destroy all those who try to take it from us.

Guess what fucko. The world isn't going to be hospitable to humans in another few decades. This political circus is a sideshow, run by the Kike ringmasters to distract you from the oncoming death of humanity.

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Citing Africa like that (which isn't a country by the way) is just dishonest.

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>Fuel combustion
>2015
How (((oddly specific)))

Yeah it is real you dumb fuck. Just go to Alaska and watch the majestic glaciers. Then fly to Hawaii and have a cocktail while relaxing at the beach in a totally different climate. Then fly to Nevada and change to another desert like climate. Anytime you travel you are experiencing climate change.

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

That user was talking about pollution and you immediately assume it's CO2 and start shitting out graphs for that. Don't you have some trees to strap yourself onto to prevent the clear-cutting of your rainforests?

Yes but it's always been a lie that we can stop it.
>Paris agreement allows the top polluter (China) to do nothing until 2030
>After 2030, if China doesn't reduce emissions... there is no penalty
>Most poorer countries have no penalties for failing to meet meager goals
>Democrats have suggested "Western Countries polluted to modernize" so it's only fair
>The atmosphere doesn't give a fuck about your social justice, CO2 from pakistan is just as bad as anywhere

>The US and Europe are expected to foot the bill for a clean modernization of Africa, Asia, South America all while maintaining the rainforest, reducing emissions, taking in 100,000,000+ refugees...

Anyone who thinks that liberal politics can save the earth is a fucking retard. How will they stop anyone who keeps polluting?
>Tariffs and Sanctions
They won't even tariff and sanction India despite 10+ million slaves. The reaction to the Trump tariffs shows there is no appetite for punative tariffs.
>War to stop carbon emissions
Progressives have no appetite for war

TLDR; Republicans with a brain understand global warming can't be stopped and the US shouldn't punish itself unnecessarily.

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clime exchange is defiantly real. the tropical climes are exchanging the polar climes

clime exchange

Was it real the other times they cried wolf and nothing happened?
Pesticides and herbicides, many of which are still legal to use. Eat your Round Up, goy!

its not fair!

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Plastics and hormones contaminants and other toxic shit probably. not the weather.

Exactly they do buy the patents and do nothing with them. Because why give us more efficient and safer energy alternatives which loosen their grip on us?

Top fucking kek
saved

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Yes, and 99.99% of it is caused by the Sun and its cycles. We're currently in an Ice Age, and slowly regressing from an interglacial period into a glacial period. Overall temperatures have been on the general decline for the past 2k years, which makes sense as the interglacial period is supposed to last roughly 10k years, and the glacial 90k.

no..
youtube.com/watch?v=tvSU9xFn2Ow

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Strangely people seem to talk about climate change more often during the summer.

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