So a nuclear power station is nothing more than a glorified steam engine right?

So a nuclear power station is nothing more than a glorified steam engine right?
I know it still gets the job done, but you mean to tell me this is the only way we can harness the energy of the atom? Seems primitive.

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Share with us your idea for harnessing the energy from atomic fission.

It's the most viable way we have right now.

heat is heat asshole were talking the strong force not the electric force

i just put my atoms in tiny hamster wheels connected to generators

>nuclear energy is primative
Wut

So if we, let's say, discover anti matter and harness its energy, we're gonna use it to boil water? kek

>glorified steam engine
Yeah, pretty much.
There are three main methods possible:
1. Radioactive isotopes can be mixed with a phosphor to cause constantly emission of light (albeit pale) to be captured by sandwiched-on photovoltaics, but as you know solar cells suck.
2. The heat can be used in direct contact with Seabeck-effect devices, but again the efficiency is shit.
3. You can heat water and use the steam to drive a turbine. We are pretty good with turbines at this point.
If you think of a better way, let us know.

Heat engines are supper efficient

We have discovered anti-matter.
No we use it to study.
As soon as it touched water, it would no longer exist.

Lots of tritium and photovaultaic cells makes a nuke battery

The problem with antimatter is making it is energy intensive

No there are better ways, but for licensing PWRs are what's available. Check out this spinning disk in mercury reactor.
youtube.com/watch?v=xAOofCsOFvE

Atomic power is an invisible dance of isotope production, heat and steam production, and control rod position. It's not perfect but you can power your entire life with the nuclear fuel that would fit inside a rubik's cube. It's so energy dense it becomes the only serious method of producing power until we find something better.

So the only forms I know of to generate electricity:
1. turning a generator
2. solar cells
2. fuel cells
Fuel cells are new and interesting. You can take hydrogen gas through a chemical reaction that strips electrons and induces electrical current.

Honestly is it primitive or does it make sense? You must do physical work to move a physical particle. Makes sense to me.

steam is really powerful

by that logic all power plants are steam power plants

There is some crazy shit like this one:

sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070603225026.htm

Maybe you could use a endothermic reaction to generate an intermediate fuel and feed it into a fuel cell or something.

From what I understand steam is a very efficient method of energy generation. The harder part is efficiently generating the heat to produce the steam.
This is why nuclear power is so great. You can generate large amounts of heat with very little fuel. The only real drawback is from radiation. But I think there's been a lot of development into cleaner materials which generate less waste with shorter half-lives.

steam is the dream

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>So a nuclear power station is nothing more than a glorified steam engine right?

Science education was not a strong subject for you in high school.

Pro-tip: We never split the atom.

Nuclear material is just highly electro-magnetized matter that we drop in fucking water.

We literally would use antimatter annihilation to heat water

Elaborate?

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The fission reactions used in nuclear power plants generate heat. Steam & turbines are a fairly good way to convert heat into electricity.

>you mean to tell me this is the only way we can harness the energy of the atom?
Pretty much.

It would be neat to generate electricity directly from a nuclear process. When you work out how to start a chain reaction that creates an excessive number of electrons, and work out how to make those electrons flow from the reactor core down some cables to consumers, please tell the rest of us how.

>a nuclear power station is nothing more than a glorified steam engine
So is almost every other large power generator

It's simple and literally just works

Only way? No. Most efficient? Yes.

It's just matter in the ground that happens to be in the path of the earth's magentic field, so it gets super charged. They get this material, they put it in water, and bam, it boils. It's really that simple. Nukes (bombs) are fake and gay. CERN is fake and gay. We NEVER split the atom.

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What about a Seebeck Generator?

A thermoelectric generator (TEG), also called a Seebeck generator, is a solid state device that converts heat flux (temperature differences) directly into electrical energy through a phenomenon called the Seebeck effect (a form of thermoelectric effect). Thermoelectric generators function like heat engines, but are less bulky and have no moving parts. However, TEGs are typically more expensive and less efficient.[1]


There's gotta be a better way

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radiation: the emission of energy as electromagnetic waves or as moving subatomic particles, especially high-energy particles which cause ionization.
>the emission of energy as electromagnetic waves.

You kids need to learn some thermodynamics. Steam is only used because its the best choice in working fluid. A molten salt or something could be used but unless it was part of the reaction its a pointless expense for an actual efficiency loss.

Engineers talking. You should listen.

All the other faggots discussing 'Anti-matter' are a waste of your time.

shorter half lives are more dangerous because they are more unstable.
more important is type of radiation emitted.
most of that energy is not usable unless its in a bomb, and even then not all is used.
fuel rods dont produce enough energy to cover their own production and disposal costs in a $ sense.
the only reason to use nuclear rather than geothermic or hydro is upgrading material to weapons grade - nuke bombs have a limited shelf life and need to be replaced

>Hot Rocks Make Steam, Steam Spins Turbine, Turbine Spins Generator, Generator Makes Power
That's the short version of how nuclear reactors work. Research is ongoing for fusion reactors, but there are still some question marks there. Fortunately the field in general thinks the hurdle that existed until now was insufficient computing power to model and therefore control fusion reactions, so on the upside we may be down to a handful of years from bona-fide productive fusion power plants.

Never mind I didn't read the seebeck part
Based smart man

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you need to make what is essentially a big motor spin

come up with a way that isnt moving air/fluid and let me know so i can be rich

Read Edward Leedskalnin's work

Convert heat to storage energy

lol.

JUST GET HOT AND HOT AND HOT AND HOT>>>>ENERGY!

Retard Detected

You're underestimating the sheer potency of transporting energy via phase change and pressure increase. Super Critical steam is one of the best ways to move power around, and the fact that you can draw almost directly from it makes it extraordinarily efficient.

Thermoelectric generators can't operate outside of a set temperature range. Steam? Steam just gets better the hotter and higher pressure you go.

Why are you lying? Anti matter has been destroyed and now only matter is left over after the Great War of matter.

Great argument

Why do they use water instead of some other fluid?

that is the point.
it's mass would be deposited in the water as energy, heating the water and annihilating any waste products in the process.

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Nah, there's a thing
>newscenter.lbl.gov/2010/11/17/antimatter-atoms/
It's a very inefficient process though. We'll need to do a lot more work before storing energy as antimatter is an attractive and realistic option.

>you need to make what is essentially a big motor spin
I'm in the process of developing a solar concentrator using the Star of David

They superheated plasma with it on Star Trek. Kinda the same.

Simplicity, and it has an extraordinarily high specific heat/heat capacity (it carries thermal energy very well in all of its phases).

Yeah, probably. How would you do it?

its based
bitchute.com/video/oqj8oVVK3lJ4/

That is correct. All engines are heat engines in one form or another. Water is cheap and plentiful and has a relatively low boiling point, so it's a natural choice as a material for converting thermal energy into mechanical work.

The nuke and coal ones, yes.

radiation is not harmful. Look at Fukishima. The only people who died were like 1600 elderly in a nursing home that got abandoned to die during the evacuation.

you assume japan tells the truth.
your grandfather would be disappointed.

You also have engines like gas turbines and RICE (reciprocating internal combustion engines, basically big ass diesel engines), but most baseload power is steam driven in some way.

>We never split the atom
My very grandfather was there, in Chicago.

My Dad was there when they proved the transistor.

It all happened.

Also, WWII - in case you need to catch up on some reading - areas of Japan were bombed using ATOMIC forces involving particle manipulation science.

I don't assume shit. Chernobyl was a lie too. There are people who refused to leave and still live there today.

This is something that has already been investigated. Local contamination is low enough that the perimeter is being reduced around the Fukushima exclusion zone, though some activities may be restricted for a while (growing food for consumption, certain kinds of earthmoving that produces a large amount of dust).

your grandfather worked on CP-1?
fucking sick.

That's right user, and the steam turbine turns a generator invented about 100 years ago. We haven't made any progress at all in 100 years when it comes to generating power. HONK FUCKING HONK!

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>we never split the atom
Maybe you should ask Japan about that one bruh...

>areas of Japan were bombed using ATOMIC forces involving particle manipulation science.
No, Japan was EXTENSIVELY fire bombed in what would be described today as a SHOCK AND AWE carpet bombing attack. Flowers were growing two weeks later and Japan never had any increase in radiation or cancer.

The funny history following the atomic bombings and Japan's capitulation was Japanese nuclear physicists investigated both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and after about a year or two knew some pretty precise details about the weapons detonated in each city based on the fingerprints they left behind (explosive force, one was a Uranium weapon and the other was Plutonium based, their precise position at the moment of detonation, etc).

Worst. Bait. Ever.

Fake.

dont listen to owen benjamin.

notice that his two biggest things are denying great achievements of the white race? (the moon landing and nuclear bombs)?

Gas lighting at it's finest.

Read the Japanese papers from the days after the bombings. They mention MANY MANY incendiary bombs were dropped. Nukes are fake and gay. The idea that NUKES were dropped on Japan didn't even come until MANY years after the war. Nukes are Jewish fear porn. All you have to do is look at the 50's culture to see how hard the Jews were shilling the shit.

I've never listened to that faggot in my life, but space and nukes are fake and gay.
(((NASA))) (((EINSTEIN)))
>white achievements

It's:
>Free
>Non-toxic
Well understood/studied
>Has a convenient temperature range
Ie you can condense is back down at any theoretical outside temperature.
>Phase change means that there is a huge volumetric change
Really huge like x1600
>Its not that corrosive

Do either one of you have an actual argument?

Bait? Are you denying a successful atomic detonation....twice? Or just being a faggot?

Checked
>Power of the fucking atom
>Seems primitive
Wut?

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Idk, honestly just wanted to see what the webm was. It's true what I said, though. Let's find out what skinsuits is together.

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>doomer.jpg
Ok.

How would you use it's energy to spin a generator efficiently dumbshit?

Dumbest fucking post I ever read.

Exactly. Unless we find a process that can do something really interesting like efficiently create a moving electromagnetic field all on its own, steam is the way to go.

Hooooooooooollllyyyyy sheeeit

Not really.

Uhh, you presented that we never split the atom and backed it up with made up jew shit from your manifesto. You should reread your own posts.

Sorry - this one. 100% bullshit post.

What a dumb thread, half the anons here don't even know how a generator works. Anyways, some anons say that webm came from a movie, but I've never been able to find out what movie it comes from. Next stop: the mysteriously named DanceOfGreatOne.

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Right? But I'm the retard apparently.

>the atom
There's more than one you brainlet

I argued we did (or rather, my family worked on projects that DID).

You drunk?

Yet no one seems to have an actual argument

If you had VLC you would be able to figure out what was in your webms without posting them. Like this incredibly pimp shot of the city lights of Central Florida as seen from the onboard camera of a Falcon 9 first stage just after stage separation.

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I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to a different id bro. Fuck yes we split the atom. I passed 4th grade.

There no such thing as antimatter.

I'm not sure at all where that webm came from. This one seems like it's going to be bad, here goes...

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>my dad worked at Nintendo
The post

Maybe, but there is tons of evidence of how you're wrong. I've seen the pictures, met the men, etc...good luck with your helmet fitting your big empty head, buddy.

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Yeah, m8, it is still difficult for humans to use gamma waves better than for heating something. Heat is energy and then we transform it into electricity.

Got me.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron

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>post bullshit argument
>say that nobody else has an argument because we all know you're retarded and didn't bother to give you attention
The absolute state. Right here.

>ive seen the pictures and met the men
holy shit user, that's all the proof I fucking need. Thanks for clearing that up with your appeal to authority