Why do people keep confusing corporatism and capitalism?

>muh capitalism
neither capitalism, socialism, or communism are great. just be neutral and capitalist leaning uwu

>I just gave you an exact overview
no you didn't, you filthy cunt
even if a cartel arises, what prevents the arising of a competition to said cartel?
most generally, government (ie the armed branch of the cartel), as I did answer you, and which you carefully avoid noticing
on the contrary, you vomit your commie pilpul and suggest that it's me avoiding the debate
the ironing, rly

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Jews

"It's not real capitalism"

>until the Nazis came to power
Based Nazis

This isnt wrong. The whole point of a republic is to prevent money from being the sole monopoly on power for the purpose of the citizens.
The better question is why is anyone so dumb to thing theres such thing as no government.

checked

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You are both logically agreeing, while being extremely stubborn to blunt the edges of nuanced discussion. Capitalism will always evolve into cronyism since the government will get "infiltrated" by oligarchs.

Same reason people confuse Socialism with Communism would be my guess. One inevitably leads to the other. The only real question is which one is worse?

"real capitalism has never been tried!"
"its not real capitalism!"

gayest shit i've ever read

Jews FEAR the libertarians, that's why.
You must understand that the main power of Jews (or any other subversive groups for that matter) comes straight from the government.

True, but at least you aren't starving in abject poverty like Venezuela or the Soviet Union.

capitalism causes over 7 million people to starve to death every year

How the fuck do AnCaps and Fascists come together on a forum and agree - you guys are a weirder couple than Islam and "The Gays"

Corporatism is UNION SOCIALISM

Stop misusing the word you dumbasses.

>Corporatism is a political ideology which advocates the organization of society by corporate groups, such as agricultural, labour, military, scientific, or guild associations on the basis of their common interests.[1][2][3] The idea is that when each group performs its designated function, society will function harmoniously — like a human body (corpus) from which its name derives.

The word corporation comes from Latin for "body" and has nothing to do with for-profit private commercial enterprises such as McDonalds.

>You are both logically agreeing
no we aren't
once whatever it originally was turns into corporatism, it de facto becomes socialism
and the more government, the more it'll do so
so why blame it on capitalism, when it blatantly is a side effect of centralizing power?
the obvious solution is never to accept more than minarchy, if even that
here, problem solved
which is pretty easy, when you see pilpul for what it is
also, false equivalencies and moral relativism (a talmudic specialty, if there's one) are only easy when you have the habit of gtfo before having to suffer the consequences of your actions...

*not yet

Why wouldn't capitalists use the state for their own advantage through media etc? Or were there no state, wouldn't there be an economic incentive to create one?

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This.
To be honest and trying to keep things real, Venezuela is a failed crony state larping as a socialist one. They still have private property rights ffs.

>errywhere capitalism doesn't flow, misery spreads
>somehow, it's the fault of capitalism
wew

>even if a cartel arises, what prevents the arising of a competition to said cartel?
The first cartel using money, influence, power, advertising etc etc. to get rid of the competition. You know, like what happens in real life.

I'm totally fine with that, Capitalism says if you don't work you don't eat. Communism says you starve because we all say so. The ground rules are all laid out in Capitalism, in Communism the rules change every day until there is nobody left to take from. Its a double edged sword made of shit, you either have no money and are miserable or you do have money and you best be prepared to lose all of it.

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Because AnCap and fascism is mostly a white ideology that works for them. Both requires common sense that the rest lack.

>so why blame it on capitalism
Because it inevitably causes all the things you're railing against.
With free association, someone is going to win, right? And they will accumulate resources, right? And with those resources, their ability to acquire more resources increases exponentially, right? And with those increased resources, it becomes easier to either buy out, destroy, or smear competition, right? This leads to a situation where you have a few people who completely dominate the whole economic landscape aka...cartels.

You're living in a dreamland where you think the best product wins out. It doesn't.

>can I grow food here?
>no thats my property im speculating on it
OH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEEEEE

there is absolutely no common sense in fascism. it is pure retardation and fantasy

The government nationalized its only marketable industry (oil) and borrowed money on the premise their market would stay relevant for 1000 years. They used that borrowed money to fund their vast government programs. That is verbatim Communism.

no its not

>so why blame it on capitalism, when it blatantly is a side effect of centralizing power?
because the bong is not "blaming" capitalism, he is simply describing the process that degenerates capitalism into cronyism. Critizising or revealing the flaws of an idea does not mean you are opposing it, it all depends on context of course. I do give you the fact that >use their riches and influence to ensure their continued dominance, without any recourse to government.
is wrong because all libertarian utopias will eventually get corrupted by plutocracian governments. So the bong described how it all happens but cutting the middle man out, maybe he just wanted some discussion.

>You can't take my farm my family invested in this land for generations
>It's for the good of the state comrade!
Which one is cared for more genuinely? Someone aiming to make a profit to feed their family or the state? The state will chew you up and move on to the next host, until there is nothing left.

Globalism isn't capitalism. Capitalism allows the individual to own private property.

That doesn't exist anymore with a absolute economy. There isn't anything to own anymore. Therefore absolute conservative capitalism deteriorates liberty and promotes fascism.

So as the progressives fight for a one world government and a "revolution" they will be brainwashed into accepting fascist rule but projecting it onto "counter-revolutionary" ideas and people.

So modern society. Thanks libtards.

>muh property!
dont care

The state is the people. stop pretending its some foreign invader

this tbqh
The thing is that fascism assumes that everyone agrees with the regime 100% for it to work. This is of course a horrible pipe dream (unless of course the people who are being ruled over are chinks or other soulless beings). Even in Nazi Germany, where 99.9% of the population was white, there were a lot of attempts to kill hitler and to sabotage the war effort. As long as you dictate what people are supposed to think, you're gonna have dissenters. Always, without fail.
Now I'm not a full on ancap myself, but I've noticed that Jow Forums stormtards like to cry about no one could "preserve the white race" or "keep niggers in check" without a big daddy government.
The thing is that once the state is removed from most affairs, society instantly becomes meritocratic and competitive, as you'd have to hire and rely on people who are actually competent instead of obeying diversity quotas or other abominations. This would result in having the best people (regardless of race) prevailing in the harsh world of the free market. If stormfags are right, this race will be the whites.

AnCap by its definition has no basing on race, gender, or political ideology. If being asexual with 3 penises was the most marketable then it'd be the ideal.
Unless you're just talking about some bastardized version of it, in which case you're no better than the Commies hiding under the guise of Socialism.

>fascist makes dumb uneducated excuses for capitalism
next hour we'll answer the questions on the color of grass and the sky

>That is verbatim Communism.
well I understand the pure libertarian mindset that would classify Hitler as a communist, but I have a more practical definition and that's you either have private property rights, or you don't. And Venezuela would be considered a capitalist state by a purist tankie. My point is that communism is so weird and impossible that you necessarily have to be a some brand of capitalism in order to say it's "communism".

>Commies hiding under the guise of Socialism
absolute state of american political education

Yeah because the state has never used the unwieldly lower class mob as its club to extort its well off citizens.
>Oh wait that's literally what happened in Communist Asia...

More like the absolute state of American politics. Put your views up front, don't be a pussy and try to jew people into your system.

>confusing corporatism and capitalism?
Because the first is just the latter form of second

you say that like murdering rich people is a bad thing

communists dont "hide" behind socialism
theyre the same thing you moron, one is just a later development of the other.

Also there are no socialists in american government

I can't believe how people still believe false concepts like the labour theory of markets or capital accumulation after 100 years of total failure and debunking of these concepts.
(Natural) Monopolies have a short lifespan by nature without government interference. The only way a company can truly prevent competition is by using legal force to ensure its dominance. The recent scandal with Huawei shows how governments have to restrict upcoming competition to prevent any real competition (and no, it's not about "security" or any other bullshit excuse, the US government literally does the exact same).
The fact that, without external intervention, everyone has the potential to compete with the establishment if there is enough demand, as seen with supermarkets, shows that cartels innately require a regulated market to function.

And I'm saying don't hide behind the term AnCap if you are a White Fascist - its all the same, hiding behind a benign term to appear more palatable to people who might disagree with you. Whether or not the term in fact is just a synonym is irrelevant to my argument.
And yes, don't lecture me about the morality of poor people starving when you can justify murder of the rich. As the classic saying goes
>Communists don't care about the poor, they just hate the rich

Daily reminder:
"Capitalism" is just a Jew slur for the way white people organize.

>bUt tHaT wUzNt ReEl GaBiDaLizM

True but the debate is, "is government manipulation (Crony) a natural course of Capitalism?"
I would say yes, but its STILL better than Communism.

>repugnant retardation
Well you are either a chat bot or have no reply to what I have said.

Go figure, kys.

So I can still call myself a capitalist if I think we should smash megacorporations to pieces and force them all to operate as separate, smaller businesses?

>not real capitalism
if you remove all government regulation then they will form cartels and monopolies every time without failure. capitalism gives every incentive for players to destroy a free market by any means necessary whether thats through lobbying or price collaboration.

except ususry was banned in europe because christ and the money changers so only jews practiced banking and financing which led to the establishment of the court jew. you know nothing of history, capitalism is as jewish as it gets. why do you think its called happy_merchant.jpg?

>what is anti-trust

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Christians literally "hired" jews to do their banking because they can't handle money as their religion dictates. This was more or less the start of the downfall and the poisoning of the well.

yes

youtu.be/L8sHrt3B-Y0

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yeah it sure worked for AT&T, they are no longer a giant mega-corporation now more powerful then ever.

Get the fuck out of my car.

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>Because it inevitably causes all the things you're railing against
wrong
again, it's statism and socialism (call croonyism what it is) that do
the obvious solution isn't to get rid of capitalism
it's to verge towards minarchy (at least) and to get rid of commies (and (((what))) invariably sows them)

>a few people who completely dominate the whole economic landscape aka...cartels
except cartels are only empowered by the government, which acts are their armed branch
easily solved, once again, through minarchy
just like we did until trotskyists wormed their way through every manner of power
permanent concentration of wealth is a fucktarded lie from such revulsing animals as piketty (pro-tip: his findings are a bunch of manipulated crap)
eternal wealth consolidation, all in all is pretty rare: I know people whose great-grandfather was the founder of world wide known luxury brands, and their family fortune is all but gone: they're just average people, now
not everyone can permanently screw nations as much as, eg, central bankers, truly...

then call what ensues for what it is
it's not even "not real capitalism"
croonyism is actual socialism
and that's not exactly a beautiful or efficient sight
also, obviously, curb the size of the state (ie minarchy, at least)

>what happens in real life
is the cartel instrumentalizing the state as its armed branch
solution: consider that the state is always too big
without a monopoly on violence to break the legs of the competition, monopolies stop being a fatality

>the bong is not "blaming" capitalism
for what it changes
he is describing it the denaturation of capitalism into socialism as a fatality
it isn't one
you just have to shrink the state, and helicopter ride commies
ultimately, it's you or them, anyway

Because only one or two people here can think beyond a one-dimensional, tribalistic binary thought pattern (eg: it's either cOmMuNisM or cApItAlIsM). People with the mental capacity to understand nuance in everything wouldn't be here in the first place, and are few and far between even in real life.

>I'll teach them natural orders
>I'll bend them, even if I have to break them
and break them you will, like every retard that tried only managed to do...
you'll also destroy the lives of millions, like errytime

>muh not real capitalism
This is just as fucking stupid as a pinko saying "that's not real communism!" Yes it fucking is, government officials are corrupt and will take bribes by the rich, this is literally human nature and it will happen under every capitalist system.

>muh not real capitalism
enough with the pilpul
it's not that croonyism isn't real capitalism
it's that it's actual socialism
and it attacks capitalism because its nature is to destroy every manner of natural order
because socialism is nothing more than political talmudism

They think capitalism cannot exist without corporatism when communism is the epitome of corporatism.

The real problem is not capitalism or communism. The real problem is consolidation of power. Any powerhouse works against common people, no matter the ideology.

>consolidation of power
most generally a myth
most often, first generation creates wealth, second one grows it, third one dilapidates it
"people" are only under the impression that it isn't so because it takes longer than their own lifespan to happen (whatever "data" whores for jews like pyketty may manipulate)
of course, you can always nitpick exceptions, like (((central bankers)))...
but what they do is pretty much the exact opposite of capitalism, desu

>Why do people keep confusing corporatism and capitalism?

The distinction is nonsence. Politics will always be governed by the means of production . In the south it was slavery. In the middle ages it was feudalism. Before then it was warlords protecting farmers. Before then hunter gathered and tribes. Each goverment formed by the means of production. In Russia it was communism. Today it is neoliberal capitalism. He who controlls the means of production controls society.

>be capitalist
>buy plot of land
>build factory on land
> build roads to land
>need employees
>build houses and apartments to house employees
>employees need goods and services
>build stores and bars
>need to protect yourself from getting robbed by employees
>build a police force
>entire city created by one capitalist
Many such cases!
While their may be a ruling goverment we all know who really controlls the show.
This actually happened multiple times in u.s history.

91 percent of the time the candidate who gets the most money wins.

Money is power
Power corrupts
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The distinction between real and crownycapitalism is a false one.
Capitalists lie cheat and steal all the time, as a gamer you should know this. And yes they almost always get away with it.

Gamers rise up.

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>They don't understand the difference betweenness true capitalism and corporate influenced goverment

When was this country not influenced by corporations?

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>Real capitalism has never been tried!

Cringe boomer posting

>what prevents the arising of a competition to said cartel?

Starting cost? Some industries take billions just to get into.

Think user!

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>This isnt wrong. The whole point of a republic is to prevent money from being the sole monopoly on power for the purpose of the citizens.

The original constitution only allowed rich white men to vote. It was built to maintain aristocracy. This is nonsence. .

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>Many such cases!
and it works very well, until some fucktarded socialist starts thinking things have evolved enough for natural orders to have become irrelevant, and invariably corrupts and destroys everything
croonyism isn't even not real capitalism
croonyism is actual socialism
deal with it

also
>any ancap believing in intellectual "property", which basically amounts to preventing people from using their own brains
no such thing ever happened

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Synchronization between the government and trade is necessary, as long as the government has a cultural or ideological vision for the future.
What is defined today as the free market has allowed degeneracy to take root in society. It did not happen because of government intervention. It happened because people were allowed to produce, distribute and advertise freely, which allowed any kind of foreign or local actor to dramatically impact society if they have the funds.
"Voluntary Associations" is a perfect excuse for ignoring this impact. It simply lets anyone who seeks to harm society to defend himself with the same tiresome excuse, even if absurd, as is the case with the distribution of drugs, pornography, and (often foreign) propaganda. "Corporatism" is putting a line in the sand - our societies will not collapse in the name of the dollar. We will not die for resource management.
The anarchist capitalist society is a weak one, as is any society which puts resource management as it's spiritual guide. Today's governments do not have a goal (and change every four years). We are lead by corporations in the long run as long as we take part in the democratic capitalist system.
This situation is partly to blame for ideas of voluntary association, which in part birthed the "corporations are people" bit as well as excused the destruction of soil and blood for decades.
A true corporatist government would have prevented a hostile takeover of itself.

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I'm not talking about rich dynasties and shit.
Huge lobbying corporations (either a monopoly or a member of oligopoly) is a consolidation of power - its irrelevant that owners may change.
A single political party (like in USSR) that controls politics is a consolidation of power - its irrelevant if it's being run by single person or a huge bureaucratic mechanism.

>That is verbatim Communism.

That is fruad and corruption, not communism. Communism is not the goverment giving g free shit(otherwise the USA too would be communist) but that the workers/state controlled the means of production.

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>Some industries take billions just to get into.
because the cost of entry is artifically rised by governments, through tailor made regulations, (((friendly))) bailouts distorting the real costs, etc
blame it on what's at fault, then: government size

>Synchronization between the government and trade is necessary
for jew

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>Globalism isn't capitalism. Capitalism allows the individual to own private property.

You can buy shit in the Soviet union or China.

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such power is only consolidated through the government subsidizing monopolies, regulating in their favors, bailing them out, etc
that's what makes croonyism actual socialism
the obvious solution thus is to shrink government and curb their power
also, helicopter rides
again, ultimately, it's Humans or commies anyway

>thinking the soviet union or china allow you to collect profits from state funded programs

You must have not read about gulags or the Rustication in china. Read a book.

>except cartels are only empowered by the government

This is nonsence user.

Look at drug cartels.
Not empowered by goverment.
They still meet to fix prices.

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>most generally a myth
90 internet wide and diverse
2020 internet, I go to at most 10 sites now

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>Look at drug cartels
>Not empowered by goverment
lol

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that's because you're a faggot

The drug cartels ARE empowered by the government. Which is why they still exist.

Absolute good would not allow evil to be relevant. Therefore they are either complicit with the trangression or are working against them.

But I guess you haven't seen all the videos of undercover cops getting their heads cut off, or families killed.

>>Some industries take billions just to get into.
>because the cost of entry is artifically rised by governments, through tailor made regulations, (((friendly))) bailouts distorting the real costs, etc
>blame it on what's at fault, then: government size

It Sega were to make a new gaming console, is the reason the cost are so high goverment regulation?

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Has multiculturalism gotten so bad even the Jews and turning towards National Socialism?

Yes. You fucking retard.

Look up fractional banking, inflation and the purpose of taxes you fucking dunce. Read a book.

>>thinking the soviet union or china allow you to collect profits from state funded programs
>You must have not read about gulags or the Rustication in china. Read a book.

Mate they literally pay you money for your work, and you use that money too buy stuff.

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