Hong Kong General - /hkg/

Who gives a fuck about asian insects.
Murder eachother more and more please!

Seeing how much trouble China is having with Hongkong gives me confidence they wont be able to get Taiwan. Both places harbor mimetic viruses that are dangerous to the party.

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Taiwan is too much... now. But they're hoping to play the long game, using similar tactics. Taiwan's main Achilles' Heel is its economy. Most Taiwanese jealously guard their political independence, but having business and personal ties with people on the other side inevitably makes your attitude at least a little more complicated as is increasingly the case.

There is also a large minority in Taiwan best represented by the likes of Han Kuo-yu practically openly batting for the other team.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Kuo-yu

You have a situation where politically Taiwan is actually drifting further away, but the economic situation is more complicated, and Taiwanese leaders cannot practically speaking sever these ties.

The risk for Taiwan would be a quadruple-whammy of in a few decades facing a situation where the island is fully dependent on China economically, the US is in full retreat, Japan has been Finlandized, and the Chinese navy can credibly threaten an invasion. Not the case yet, but you can imagine it happening in future.

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Based.

Even Han Kuo-yu has come out and declared so-called one country two systems as in Hong Kong unacceptable for Taiwan by now.
Ko Wen-je on the other hand..

>how long can two societies be apart until they are no longer the same culture?
Aussie and america are still considered to be part of the european diaspora despite the longer distance and years of separation, unless you actually believe in the 56% meme then that also work for me

Even if Taiwan is conquered there is a chance their liberal values will infect the rest of China. They approved gay marriage for example, might be stupid for Chins to try to unify with then

Gay marriage us already being coopted by commies. Some Chinese outlet have already claimed the Taiwanese gay marriage decision as one of their own local authorities.

Also the U.S will never need to pull back because Japan, and SK are strong enough to contain China. And retreating from Australia and New Zealand isn't even an option

>Japan has been Finlandized
Excuse my ignorance, but what is this?

the chicoms always do that shit
anything people perceive as good that happens, they'll sweep in and try to take credit from it

still gay marriage is a fucking mistake

Taiwan is so small that I don't think this is likely at all. The same was (incorrectly) said about Hong Kong and even though Taiwan is bigger, it's not much bigger.

And what a lot of Western observers miss is that the same thing that makes Taiwan and Hong Kong somewhat resilient against Beijing (their seperate identities) also alienates mainlanders from them to a large extent.

Even people on places like this actually underestimate how strong regional and political divides are here. In Asia you have sort of a vicious (or virtuous, depending on how you look at it) cycle of alienation, where the strength and monolithic nature of one group's identity induces other groups to harden themselves against them in turn.

You have this both in HK and Taiwan, where decades ago, there was no meaningful interaction between them and mainlanders the attitude towards mainlanders was mostly one of understanding if there was a little condescension and disdain as well even then. But the sheer numbers of mainlanders coming into Hong Kong has created a sort of embryonic nationalism that is in some ways harsh even by, say, Jow Forums standards. So in some ways I can actually even understand mainlander alienation from locals, as much as the opposite. It must be terrible if you are one of the 'good ones' who does all the right things, learns Cantonese, is polite, doesn't reflexively support Beijing and yet you still get treated as 'just another locust' and are frozen out and given the cold shoulder by a huge swathe of the city you live in.

>would
>in a few decades

This is a hypothetical.

But what is being Finlandized?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finlandization

Hong Kong is flat terrain.

Taiwan is actually pretty mountainous.

>Finlandization (Finnish: suomettuminen; Swedish: finlandisering; German: Finnlandisierung) is the process by which one powerful country makes a smaller neighboring country abide by the former's foreign policy rules, while allowing it to keep its nominal independence and its own political system.[1] The term means "to become like Finland" referring to the influence of the Soviet Union on Finland's policies during the Cold War.

Taiwan being mountainous does make it harder to conquer with military force.

I fail to see what this has to do with the question of whether or not Taiwan could exert significant influence on the mainland in a hypothetical future One China, though.

' 6cBVz6Go '
You have a SK flag, are you Korean, or an expat in SK?
Just curious?

Also, how's SK reporting on this situation?

Hong Hong :^)

I still think theres a chance their liberal ideas undermine the party. I could see an acceptance of something like acceptance gay marriage spreading throughout China after integration. It's a meme that on the face of it doesnt seem like a threat to the party at all but in reality will add dissonance to the system

Why would the commies care? Gay marriage does not undermine their position.

I'm not Korean.

Coverage here is careful but mildly sympathetic to the protesters.

I guess what I'm advocating for Taiwan is a mimetic defense where they have moved so far away from China that unification posses a threat to the party foundation. The faster and further they move their ideals the better chance they have to survive. If I ran Taiwan it would be one of my main defense policies

Gotcha.
Thanks.

(Unsure if it was you who linked to @Ronald_FunG in the other thread)

No consistency, no care about truth, just pander and go with the wind and care about face.
Whenever people say China is non-degenerate, tell them that they too removed homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses, and point them to what the Jews did in America.

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Militarily I cant see China attacking Taiwan if even just Japan is helping. It's not like crossing the english channel on D-Day, it's way further. If things started to go wrong the they could end up with 300k soldiers stranded without food or ammo

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I have a friend in hong kong, give me a rundown on what the fuck is happening
Is hong kong fucked and being taken over by China?

Bump

Faggot commie cock sucker mod must sticky this thread

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That's a big difference when you're comparing Hong Kong and Taiwan. Layer both Hong Kong and Taiwan together onto a map of the Chinese mainland, and you'll take my point.

>hk gone
>taiwan gone
Singapore will get fucking rich from this holy shit. Based LKY jailing commies against the law. South Korea, Japan and Singapore are the sole rulers of the capitalist Asia now. Bow down you shits.

Beijing tries to get its proxies in Hong Kong to pass Article 23, which was legislation designed to crack down on political opposition. Massive public opposition results in the legislation being withdrawn.

Scene 2: A crazy Hong Kong man kills his qt gf in Taiwan and flies back to Hong Kong. Beijing and the DAB realize what an early Christmas present this is for them, and start drafting legislation that will allow Hong Kong residents to be extradited to other jurisdictions pointedly including Mainland China, just to stop Hong Kong becoming a den of violent criminals, you understand. Next scene: the protests.

That's it in a nutshell.

So Hong Kong is just fucked? Is the law passed, is it fucking over?
My poor frens

>den of criminals
>not den of anti commie booksellers

The law has not passed yet, it is delayed because of the protest, unclear what the authorities seek to achieve with that.

They are fucked either way thanks to the 50 year deal

Keked and checked

POLICE TURNING GAY ON CROWD USING HOMOSEXUAL TACTICS TO SUPPRESS RIOT

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>mfw

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How does that deal work exactly? What happens after 50 years pass?

I wonder if it's possible to rape a cute chink girl in the midst of the chaos.

Get the fuck out and go jerk off over his gay grandson, cucking on woman's rights, Sheldon Adelson's casino, tranny surgeries, importing pajeets and letting gays teach the kids while sterlizing and telling the population to stop at two. And his albino grandson.

Whatever Beijing wants. Which is why pro-democracy activists are in a bind: as long as they are forbidden from challenging Beijing's sovereignty (which they are, now that both Beijing and the DAB leadership has said that doing so is beyond the pale), any concessions they can extract from the Hong Kong Government, even in a best case scenario, are purely temporary.

What some Hong Kong people never understood and still don't understand even now is what the Basic Law actually is. It's not a blueprint for the future evolution of Hong Kong, or a foundation of any kind.

It's part of a diplomatic instrument written up between the British and Chinese governments to make the handover smoother, that's all. Essentially as far as China and most mainlanders seem to be concerned, the whole thing was just a nice conciliatory gesture to Britain so that they could take nice pictures in 1997 of the yacht leaving the harbour and Chris Patten could play his part as 'the conscience of the British government' and make appropriately tut-tutting statements about 'the people of Hong Kong' and generally speaking Britain could save a little face. That's it.

If it had been intended to be anything more, it would for starters have had a longer time-frame like maybe, uh, 99 years or something.

>溯查多年以来素悉香港一处非展拓界址不
足以资保卫,今中英两国政府议定大略,按照
粘附地图,展扩英界作为新租之地。其所定详
细界线,应俟两国派员勘明后再行画定。以九
十九年为限期。

"In perpetuity" (like in the Treaty of Nanking) on the other hand was a non-starter, the Chinese government said as much.

Ok so what I'm getting here is, Britain made a deal with China for China to get full control over Hong Kong after 50 years?
So it's fucked either way? They really fucked up those peoples lives man, what a mess
What was Britians endgame here? Did they just not care what state they left Hong Kong in?

There I go again you subhuman chinks:

I only know about protesting in order to cause chaos and violence to try to overthrow police forces, here it goes:

.laser pointers pointing at the polices eyes to fuck with their sight, use only when they are going to charge and use in a group of several people to maximize the effects. Don't blind them though, that's lame.
.fire extinguisher for creating smoke screens and repeling police charges, can also be used for hitting them if they get too close
.slingshots... obvious
.hammer, for hitting the ground and pulling rocks to throw at police
.crystal bottle recicle bin, you can knock it over and that way you obtain a nice ammount of crystal bottles to throw at police
.molotov cocktails, read about it in detail, as they are tricky at least to throw right, require some practice
.flags with heavy poles, when shit gets real you use the stick to hit police with it
.anti gas mask, covering eyes too, obvious
.using the blackberry mobile phone for source of communication, the government requires the company pass to access these messages, they don't have it right away so it might take them at least a day to be granted that access on special occasions
.fireworks, point at police, fire at police, please be careful to not harm them
.watter baloons full of pink and red paint, demoralizing
.airsoft guns, they hurt and can be useful for such reason
that's all I can think of right now

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Fuck off, his dictatorship was the best thing that happened to singapore

I think it's more effective to point them to affordable tickets to the E.U to exchange one form of Jewish tyranny for another.

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A little of Column A, a little of Column B. We can charitably assume that some British officials were genuinely concerned about Hong Kong's future, and even though cynics will say Britain never gave a single shit about them, remember how starry-eyed and delusionally optimistic basically everyone was about China back then.

It was the late 1990s, the West just won the Cold War, it was the heyday of capitalism. Nobody really understood anything about China, and those Westerners that did were usually stuffy Sinologists who specialized in dusty old poetry, not Kremlinology, the Chinese version.

And because Hong Kong fell with such pathetic ease to the Japanese in World War II, when the Chinese government threatened military action to recover the city, it was taken seriously, particularly after the Indian seizure of Goa.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Goa

Basically it became an shared understanding that it would have to be the way China wanted it one way or the other. Either they were going to throw Britain a bone in return for giving up sovereignty, or they were going to march in and do what they wanted anyway.

You wouldn't call him a dictator if you loved him that much. But you'll surely have the intelligence and grasp on reality to enjoy a 1.01 Chinese fertility rate, Shangmugam giving Sangeetha Thanapal a mere warning, and more institutionalized racism and Chinese privilege talks at a our universities. Oh well, the brigadier general who fears fireworks and cucks for rioting Pajeets is on his way out and banker Heng is next on the throne, we'll surely be the respected and have tons of face for our pragmatic version of being (((based and redpilled))).

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That and when negotiations began, I think was in the 80s? the Beijing Spring was still ongoing and it looked like the Chinese government might have democratized. By the time it became obvious they wouldn't (e.g. Tienanmen) it was a bit late to stop the negotiations. Add to that a new PM not wanting to see British territory outright seized a few months into his term, a la Portuguese territories in India, and yeah.

It was basically handover the city and they get some measure of self-government or they'd just seize it anyway.

so who are we rooting for?
the citizens who is against the PRC menace
or the government

Why didn’t we nuke China during the Korean War?

You forgot to mention rigged elections and amos yee getting what he got. But at least we are better off compared to HK. We will never be free but at least we will be more free than HK thanks to LKY. If you dont like it move to Norway.

McArthur didnt spec into charisma

youtu.be/knXtzKgLvwA

I heard about Hong Kong situation in SBS News now. In their report, I heard that Chinese government banned all international TV channels and Internet in Hong Kong and blocked access to Western media as well as South Korean and Japanese web sites. I want to say that all South Koreans support you guys.

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>traps are gay
Based

That... does not sound likely. Sauce?

Did they really block internet like that? No way has to be a rumor, right?

Tell me how we as ethnic Chinese are better off than HK? How are we more free?

It is not yesterday's story that Chinese government blocked access to sites in South Korea and Japan. Even the Hong Kong citizens commented on this SBS news video. They hope South Koreans will get to know the current situation in Hong Kong.

Chinese government are saying Hong Kong is colluding with Western intelligence. And they BTFO'd Pelosi today.

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youtube.com/watch?v=SNShSgfuQRI

youtube.com/watch?v=qTEe4rgx6sU
;_;

Why's everyone defending HK laws while they harbor literal murderers that Taiwan wants to extradite?

Propaganda is one helluva drug.

Two wrongs don't make a right auzzie

Kill (((yourself))) memeflag kike
The election was not by the people
But by those who support the PRC so they are basically puppets
Its fucking rigged

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We dont get kidnapped. Our state media is less harsh. Low taxes. No threat of being commied.

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based aussie shitposter

No one has resisted the dictatorship more than South Koreans back in the day. So we support the independence of Hong Kong and Taiwan. Now Chinese government is trying to change the law and imprison all the locals and foreigners who are critical of Chinese government and send them to jail. We absolutely must stop this.

Based chink

So far only one person has made a valid point, and then there's you shitposting.

How long before someone buys her Reddit gold?

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>Don't get kidnapped
Agreed.
>State media less harsh
Can you provide examples and citations?
>Low taxes.
Agreed if you say that HKers live in cages and our cucksheds are bigger.
>No threat of being commied.
But we'll still be kiked. Kikery has many forms.

Also, why is Norway better?

Can you stop the Talmudists, Goddess cults and feminism in your own backyard?

Same thing literally happened with Russia when they marched into Paris. After the war when the surfs went home after campaign and caused a cultural revolution.

>Can you provide examples and citations?
I pulled that one out of my ass sorry
>Norway
Norway is democrazy on steroids. They dont even believe in prisons and instead rehabilitate people. With some exceptions though.

OK, I'll bite. As long as the proposed legislation doesn't specifically exclude Mainland China, it can evidently be used for purposes other than ensuring justice is done against real criminals. Anyone who has been to Mainland China could be accused of 'bribery' or something and potentially be sent over on spurious charges motivated by politics. Even people who have never left Hong Kong in their lives could be charged with something like phone scamming people in the Mainland and be extradited.

Sure they're promising oversight, best practices etc. but since the DAB is the permanent majority of LegCo how can we sure this will really be the case long-term?

Especially since Beijing and Beijing loyalists in Hong Kong are already demanding a more 'patriotic' judiciary, most crudely targetting the Commonwealth judges for not being ethnic Chinese, but it goes further than that.

Picture it's 2030-something, all judges are Chinese and mostly Beijing loyalists and so are most lawyers. How confident could you be that they would properly scrutinize an extradition request? Now sure you could say well if the legal system in Hong Kong is that compromised what difference does it make? The difference is that at least suspects in Hong Kong go through a relatively transparent system, people can't just disappear (legally).

But what is legal and not legal in the Mainland is a different story, and once the suspect has left Hong Kong, that's it, there is no oversight, they can do anything to them.

Switzerland supports the people's republic of China.

checked and honked
when is the implementation deadline?

am embarrassed that cucked politicians in south korea and japan are worried about trade with china and chinese tourists, and have not even commented on the protests in hongkong. maybe 25 years later, we may become like hongkong.

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Whenever the legislation is passed, it will be effective pretty much immediately or as soon as practical.

The proposed bill

legco.gov.hk/yr18-19/english/bills/b201903291.pdf

The Wiki article

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_Offenders_and_Mutual_Legal_Assistance_in_Criminal_Matters_Legislation_(Amendment)_Bill_2019

So Hong Kong fucked? They got DABed on?

Democracy? What is democracy when it allows kikes to buy judges and juries and give us brainwashed professors?
They do have prisons. It just that their prisons resemble the six gorrilion lampshade holiday camp at Auschwitz.
I would love to hear about the exceptions.

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>Implying SK and JP do things without US Mommy guidelines
You're Big Cucks

Your circumcision, K-pop faggotry, Talmud-reading and Megalians make you a different type of JewJewcum-consumer.

>Protests weak af today
What happened? Did they break already?

>af
Zoomer
But supposedly they are planning and orgsnising a general strike.

the legislative council postponed debate for two days

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