Why atheists are intellectual super lightweight of the world?

The two times in my life my heart was broken and sank was on the exact two days that hurricane Katrina (05) and Harvey (17) formed.

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Not believing in a god ≠ affirming there's no god

>Polish intellectuals

I loved my visit to Poland in 2017! An awesome country with Great people, but I had a difficult time convincing people that Donald Trump was a Good man, likely because Poland had (((liberal))), fake news media just like the U.S.. but that was only at Angloville where I was helping city Polish people speak English, I know countryside folk love Trump! I helped turn in a very very bad Muslim from Saudi Arabia when I was there, well i hope Tom turned him in. Anyway, I threatened President George Bush on Toe Rogan's message forum in 2004, saying that I WAS GOD, and spoke with the Secret Service. I am ZERO threat to anyone and actually saved a moth last night, so NO threat to anyone, but nevertheless it will probably be a good idea to have Donald call me. God put Trump into power because he also is a Gemini born under a Full Moon just like me, a 1/144 chance. Anyhoo, I'm getting back to watching Owen Benjamin. Support what you Love!!!

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God Bless you, user.

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Yes, you dumb little shit. You have made a claim that there is a deity/afterlife. Now the onus is on you to substantiate that claim.

"Durrr... God is real cuz I sez so (drools)."

Monumentally retarded Polack. Get off this fucking board, spaz.

somebody contact Toe Rogan and/or Alex Jones to have Nathan Zona on one of their shows. I Love Alex Jones but he owes Owen Benjamin for calling him an anti-semite.

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kys memeflaggot God will sort you out.

>has blind faith in jewish pedophile god
>acts smug rowards the acience he denies

Turn the other cheek goyim

"Most of them haven't even opened the Bible once"

We don't need to. Whatever it can teach us, we already know. Also, the Bible is not proof of God. Fuck you, and your faggy book, you relic.

God will watch you fall into the abyss as you slowly drift into the most absolute lonely nothingness until you admit that He is real and BEG for Him to save you from infinite despair.

Theres 4,200 different religions and I guess it's safe to say that I am going to hell in every last one of them, you on the other hand will only burn in hell for 3199 of them

What could happen when you look at the sun through a telescope without solar filter? Well, it explains your comment

Show flag, kike!
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Can't substantiate claims, so resorts to (empty as his head) threats. You an NPC, sonny? You sure act like one.

God Bless these United States of America, presidents Donald and Andrzej, and Poland. (and the best sport, indycar)

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You can't apply empirical method to spiritual searching for a higher purpose. Same as with Carl Jung's precognitive dreams - there is no way to prove that he had those dreams to other people, only to oneself. You have to venture out search God YOURSELF to find out if he exists or not. Never trust other people on this.

Hi stupid, go back to the desert

I dont have blind faith that there isn't a god I'm just unsure how you can prove your god is the one true god when humans have made literally thousands of gods to worship. chances are your wrong even if there is a god.

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Yawwwn...

>Show me proof of God first
After your first death, won’t you be surprised

I'm not religious but fuck atheists in the ass, Good for nothing arrogant pieces of shit

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Check this out!! Only God can plan this out hahaha I drive a Helios Pearl Yellow 2018 Honda Fit. Now, Helio Castroneves did not win the Indy 500 this year, but Pagenaud did win, and his car is yellow as well, just not "Helios" yellow.. a Yellow car at the White house celebrating my favorite sport exactly on my 40th birthday. What are the odds? I pray I can convince others of these Godly patterns, for my only fear is in failing God, who I love with ALL my heart!

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OK, here's the truth: There are invisible AIDS-infested people who will rape every male ass that is not plugged. Can you prove that they don't exist? No? OK, so then you will sleep with a butt plug, right? No? Oooooh, so you have FAITH that there's no such thing as invisible rapists?

This is you. It's your level of logic.

Crazy that anyone should ever ask for evidence, right? How fucking dare we. And what does arrogance have to do with wanting to know truth? Fuck all. Kill yourself, Christcuck. Do it know. Spare the fucking world.

What is burden if proof. Didn't read your post.

How about to not choose one. Just admit to yourself that there is higher power who defined your nature ,capabilities, way of perceiving the world. Start with it

Thanks for your refreshing view on the matter at hand. Upvoted

Pic related is you but you are a nigger

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I don't think we should even talk to them seriously.

Just physically remove them as soon as it's made acceptable.

Your god doesn't exist. Praised be Allah.

You believing in god does not mean he exists...

Why do christians think if somebody don't believe their shit they are atheist?

Allah is a demon that fucked gay Muhammad in a cave

>retards everywhere

How many times do I have to say this exactly? Atheism has never been and never will be the statement "there is no god". You are consistently mistaking everything and engaging in strawmanning. Atheism is the claim "There is no evidence to suggest that there is a God". They are two entirely different things. Retards like you come out with shit like
>To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, “I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge”
That's just plain wrong and another strawman. Atheism is the position of admitted ignorance.

There is no Christian/Islamic/Jewish god =/= There is no God. You can prove the former. No evidence exists, for or against, the latter.

The issue here isn't the argument itself, it's the methodology. You Religious retards are the one's claiming that something IS TRUE. This is called Burden of Proof. That is on YOU to PROVE that God exists. My position is that "There is no proof that God exists, so I will live my life acting as though there isn't one until someone proves otherwise.

Not once has anyone here, or anywhere else, provided Factual and Scientific proof of the existence of their God.

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You can ask for it . But you can't tell what truth is. Its logic, sorry. How dare you to expect be able to solve everything. You propably have 70-80 iq points. Imagine that one of the smartest down syndrome people have 60iq points. You require too much from yourself . Stick to inventing new genders .This place suits you well

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Christkikes won't be happy with even that. If you don't believe in their Jewish god they will call you a pagan as fast as a mudshit will call you a infidel and as fast as a kike will call you a goyim.

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like majority of atheists just straight up claim that there is no God and get butthurt when seeing someone praying ormention God

You are correct, my believing does not make it truth. His existence does

The bible say unbelievers know the truth, but supress the truth in unrighteousness

What make you think im christian or we discuss about christianity. Can you read with understanding?

You need context to understand those subjects. The bible says the deeper things are foolishness to unbelievers because it take the spirit of God to absorb these concepts.

True. "Gabriel" was a demon, or satan himself appearing as a angel of light.

Literally the dumbest shit Ive ever heard coming out of someones ass

You can just as easily turn the argument around and say you cant disprove the existence of any god. After all a theory holds up until it can be disproven. So burden of proof is actually on you faggot.

Atheists are dumber than niggers and should all be gased

How does something create itself from nothing?

Then call them what they are: Gnostic Atheists. But the problem with that is the same as most other rubbish: the only people that are saying that specifically are 12 year old kids. And then there's the issue of people such as yourself mistaking "YOUR God doesn't exist" and "GOD doesn't exist", which are, once again, two entirely different statements.

Both sides have retards. Like some Christian dipshits here you try and have a discussion with, and all they can do in response to your posts is quote scripture and then act like that is an argument.

Don't paint broad strokes. Differentiate between Agnostic Atheists(those who don't know - the majority of atheists) and the few, vocal retard Gnostic Atheists who act as though they do know.

Its just called an Agnostic you absolute waste of life
Atheism inherently means believing there is no god, despite the fact that there is no factual evidence for either side.

>You can just as easily turn the argument around and say you cant disprove the existence of any god.

EXACTLY. The Burden of Proof is not on me to disprove a negative. That's not how it works. We know that religiosity isn't inherent, but taught. We know this because a White Child born to Christians is still going to be a Hindu if raised by a Hindu Indian family in India.

The DEFAULT is ignorance and nothingness. Having even a scrap of wisdom means admitting ignorance. And since the default is ignorance it is YOUR duty/role to PROVE that your God exists. The burden of proof is not on me to prove something false that doesn't have any evidence for it in the first place. Not only is that assinine, it's literally impossible.

>Its just called an Agnostic you absolute waste of life
>retards calling other a waste of life when they don't even know basic definitions

>Atheism inherently means believing there is no god
No, it means DISBELIEF in a god. Those aren't the same things. At least learn English.

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>Show me proof
>But I'll only accept empirical proof that fits within a naturalistic metaphysical worldview
We know how this dance goes, fedora tipper

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"There is no proof that God exists, so I will live my life acting as though there isn't one until someone proves otherwise."

Not once has anyone here, or anywhere else, provided Factual and Scientific proof of the existence of their God.

You have 100% right to live your life in satan illusion. Proof for God existence would be that you are 70iq crumb of dust programmed by unknow force with free will which can to oppose God who created him

See, that isn't an argument and you're proving my point.

>This is called Burden of Proof. That is on YOU to PROVE that God exists. My position is that "There is no proof that God exists, so I will live my life acting as though there isn't one until someone proves otherwise.
God has been logically proven to necessarily exist countless times. The problem is that naturalists retreat to an empirical epistemology every time and claim "Ok yeah you can show God must logically exist, but show me empirical proof"

Here's a red pill for you. Theism isn't obliged to prove itself within your retarded epistemological framework that rules out the existence of non-physical phenonmena. Theism is a competing worldview that more accurately describes reality as we know it than retarded naturalistic solipsism that says you can't know nuffin if you can't sense it (and btw those "senses" are just illusory anyway since consciousness is nothing more than a deterministic biological system)

>be atheist
>lose argument
>be agnostic

Agnostic theists don’t exist.
Gnostic atheists don’t exist.

Checked

If there is a god, that god is not the merciful, loving god that christians say he is.

He doesn't care about innocent children having their genitals cut off and then beheaded by angry lesbians. Why would he allow such a thing, or any of the myriad other horrific atrocities committed every damn day against people that deserve nothing but a fair chance to make their way in this fucked up world?

Don't give me the bullshit about people exercising free will, either. That's just an excuse for a god that won't or can't do anything to save the people most in need.

I was a christian, until I thought about it. I'm not 100% dead sure there is no higher power. But I am sure of this: if there is a supreme being, he's not the one you advocate for, because that one doesn't do any of the shit you say he can.

Fuck off.

The trick is to make the atheist reject empiricism at the same time.

A1a: we live in a causal universe
A1b: every effect has a cause
A2a: if we follow that chain back far enough we reach “the beginning of our universe”
A2b: If an in-universe cause preceded this, it is not “the beginning of our universe”
Therefore our universe began with an external cause;

B1: premise A1 is foundational to discerning truth through science
B2: premise A2 is a tautology.
Therefore arguing against A requires you to argue against the validity of the foundation of using science to discern knowledge.

I’ve gotten countless atheists to reject science with this, because they don’t care about truth and just hate the idea of a creator.

since athiests are so dumb and there clearly is a god, i trust you can prove it, yes?

>"Ok yeah you can show God must logically exist, but show me empirical proof"
Said nobody of intellectual relevance ever.

>Theism isn't obliged to prove itself within your retarded epistemological framework that rules out the existence of non-physical phenonmena.
That's fine. I don't demand that it does. I do demand that when you start forcing your non-physical beliefs onto the physical world, that you cut that retarded shit out. And that's exactly what you won't do. "I believe in something immaterial, without evidence, only because I was raised this way, and anyone who doesn't; believes in an retarded epistemological framework.". Not only is this not an argument, but it also is utterly illogical, and goes against what you said earlier. Feel free to keep kicking own goals, man.

>things exist and don't exist because I say so
>oh no someone disagreed and I can't argue against any of his points
Feel free to try again.

So you agree you can't prove that it's not truth. You decide to not choose answer ( yes , no) So statistically in your opinion if we have no proofs and i randomly choose yes or no its 50% of chance. On other hand in your opinion when you not making choice you never gonna be right.

You are using "God" not "a god" and look at your picture.

>So you agree you can't prove that it's not truth.
I never said that I could, and neither did anyone else(over the age of 13, anyway, we aren't talking about kids here)? Why is your entire arguing strategy based on a strawman?

you skipped part i proved that
statistically you never gonna be right

>I do demand that when you start forcing your non-physical beliefs onto the physical world, that you cut that retarded shit out.
Why? It's been proven to be phenomenally successful. Mathematics is an example of something that is non-physical yet has a objectively real existence, even fedora tippers won't deny that. Morality is another objective system that exists but has non physicality, some fedora tippers deny that but more are becoming moral realists as they find moral subjectivity is an untenable position to hold (particularly if you want to be all high and mighty about how "morally evolved" atheists are)

>"I believe in something immaterial, without evidence, only because I was raised this way, and anyone who doesn't
I was an atheist for 22 years until I realized that naturalism is retarded. I was raised in an atheist home. I became Christian because it's supported by evidence, and atheism is not.

No, I dismissed it because it's not relevant to the argument. If you want to argue over statistics, you're free to. Subjectivity vs Objectivity isn't an argument that is relevant to statistics, so I'm not going to bother arguing about it.

>Morality is another objective system that exists but has non physicality
Please repeat this, just in case it was a typo or something, because that is actually provably wrong and utterly asinine.

>I was an atheist for 22 years until I realized that naturalism is retarded. I was raised in an atheist home. I became Christian because it's supported by evidence, and atheism is not.
If you're going to lie don't make it so transparent. I see this shit all the time posted here and yet it doesn't happen in real life. People who were neither Theist nor Atheist(and never bothered to think about it and just went about their lives) aren't Atheists. You don't go from "there is no proof of god whatsoever" to "there's still no proof of god whatsoever, but fuck it i'll believe anyway despite not being indoctrinated" said nobody, ever.

>If an in-universe cause preceded this, it is not “the beginning of our universe”
>Therefore our universe began with an external cause;
Cope logic; the post

>polish intelectual

Nice bait, i kekd

>Please repeat this, just in case it was a typo or something, because that is actually provably wrong and utterly asinine.
youtube.com/watch?v=zjkgD4w9w1k

Moral realism is the only defensible position.

>You don't go from "there is no proof of god whatsoever" to "there's still no proof of god whatsoever, but fuck it i'll believe anyway despite not being indoctrinated"
I still have copies of The God Delusion and God is Not Great on my shelf. People do come to theism from atheist but it requires the understanding that the issue isn't "proof" the issue is an epistemological framework that prevents you from reaching the truth. Empiricism can't ever bring you to truth. If you're in the Matrix can empiricism ever prove that? Your sense information is simulated so it can't. If you want to know truth then you need to become a rationalist and start considering logical philosophical arguments, and as far as those are concerned the existence of God is unassailable.

Your problem here is that you'rte still stuck in Platos cave of metaphysical naturalism. Your lack of understanding of how someone could move from theism stems from your lack of understanding that the metaphysical basis of your atheism isn't a default fact and is fact on very shaky ground.

Time to come out of the cave and see the light friend.

After studying a lot of philosophy, I'm quite certain that a good, atheistic, not necessarily theistic, philosopher could actually drive you crazy.
You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes and most of the things you believe in like the foundations of rationalism are weakly rooted and understood. You are not even aware how many things you take for granted are quite crazy when you study them.
Modern atheists are like children in the field of philosophy. Well, they are like children in most fields. You would be surprised how much atheists of old were elaborate and sophisticated in thinking. Moreover, the theists whom they faced were on the same intellectual level.
Now it's all 'amateur atheist philosopher vs theist proper philosopher'.

>Now it's all 'amateur atheist philosopher vs theist proper philosopher'.
And all the atheists clap like seals when the atheist "philosopher" says "but where iz da proof?" over and over like people are obliged to prove everything within their stupid and objectively false metaphysical worldview.

Materialism and naturalism has done a number on modern society. People are no longer able to even fathom that reality might encompass more than they can see, touch and hear.

>Moral realism is the only defensible position.
For once we agree on something. But this is the strange, and indeed contradictory, thing about morality: Morality is entirely subjective, but the moment a person/community starts believing that it is subjective is the moment everything falls apart and all kinds of degeneracy is tolerated. Ultimately though that doesn't make it objective. There are Psychopaths that hold no morality whatsoever, and there is of course a massive amount of differences about morality between different groups. Aboriginals used to cut open the penises of young male children in their tribe and use them as fuck toys. Disgusting shit like that proves the subjectivity of morality, because not only are there people that don't have morality at all whatsoever, but things considered absolutely reprehensible in one culture are every day things in another culture. Without the ability to measure constituent results means a lack of objectivity.

>Empiricism can't ever bring you to truth.
That's because "truth" is an entirely human (and perhaps just sentient-species concept. Empiricism exists regardless of humanity, it just means there isn't anyone to measure it. Our sun is as hot as it is regardless of whether or not we're there to measure it. Whether or we disagree on the rambling of Jewish goatherders is a desert somewhere is subjectivity. The different is that I derive my subjectivity from rationality, whereas you derive your subjectivity from other subjectivity without any physical realworld basis. In medicine that's called a Delusion.

>If you're in the Matrix can empiricism ever prove
Well, yes, actually.

>If you want to know truth then you need to become a rationalist and start considering logical philosophical arguments, and as far as those are concerned the existence of God is unassailable.
Like I said to someone else earlier "things exist and don't exist because I say so" isn't an argument. Saying something is, doesn't make it so.

Anxiety and fear reside deep in our psyches , hence the need for reassuring beliefs , esp those shared by those around us. We find comfort in shared beliefs.

Challenges to our beliefs bring out the tucked away anxieties and fears.

The problem i see on both sides is associating the concept of God with a concept of a supreme being which is able to feel human emotions/is created in our likeness, which i find enormously absurd. During many centuries, christianity made a lot of efforts in trying to intelectually justify their faith, and that's where this problem begins. Some of their solutions and propositions are based on logical reasoning, but the God they're trying to prove is in their eyes a somebody similar to us. Such concept is childish and should be abandoned long ago.

>Like I said to someone else earlier "things exist and don't exist because I say so" isn't an argument. Saying something is, doesn't make it so.
Then you're trapped in the Matrix forever. You can make the most logically coherent and indisputable argument for it but as long as you're still beholden to the idea that you need tangible "proof" that it's true you're never going to escape. Either you accept the logical argument or you submit to the fact that your epistemology precludes you from ever knowing the real truth about reality.

The life of a materialist drone is not for me. I choose to seek truth and acknowledge it.

What a rudimentary armchair psychologist statement. Tell me more.

Brain-O, the new home-chemical lobotomy system for Christians who are too smart for their own good?

Did some damn atheist point out one of the numerous logical contradictions in your doctrine? Did you suddenly realize that many of the traditional attributes of god are mutually exclusive? Did you make the mistake of actually reading the bible and now you can’t get the horror of it all out of your head? Well then try clearing your neuronal pathways with Brain-O.

Brain-O: Just like logical refutations of faith, it goes in one ear and out the other.

atheism comes from ignorance of the metaphysical and the arrogant pride of their own intellect, with age they might change their thinking. i did

Ghosts are real.

>Then you're trapped in the Matrix forever. You can make the most logically coherent and indisputable argument for it but as long as you're still beholden to the idea that you need tangible "proof" that it's true you're never going to escape.
I'm not sure that's what the moviemakers were going for when they conceptualized things. The example would be that Neo just kind of flailed around for ages until others (the Nebuchadnezzar crew) began messing with Neo's reality, and it took a physical expression to break with Neo's understanding, and in one of the following scenes once he had left the matrix Neo has a breakdown when he is given the irrefutable proof and part of him can't believe it. I think the reality is the inverse of what you are suggesting. That even with a complete display of proof supporting established feelings, some people will continue to believe it no matter what.

>The life of a materialist drone is not for me. I choose to seek truth and acknowledge it.
I am not a materialist either. I am deeply spiritual. However physical manifestations require physical proof. If God (of any kind) created the universe (or anything else), I am not saying it didn't happen. But claims of physical realities require physical and thus objective facts to support the claim. If someone wants to believe there is any metaphysical force, I have ZERO issues with them believing it. It's only when said people start trying to enforce non-physical or metaphysical claims into my life and then won't use physical proof to support their claim that I have a problem.

Everyone is ignorant of the metaphysical, including Theists. The difference is that I know that I am ignorant of it, while you don't.

very true

it may be rudimentary, but it's true. Most people have a hard time adjusting to different worldviews once their original worldview collapses. So it takes an extra effort to make them really consider an alternative.
Also those beliefs are not really connected with religion, theism and so on. Even the were idea deeply rooted in us that the world is rational and no miracles can happen is something which is almost impossible to override.
There are two steps related to proving God's existences. The first one is completely unrelated to christianity and actually is the one most debaters should focus on. Basically you start with the definition of what you consider God and then you use some quite fundamental reasons to prove his/its existences. In fact, when the debate hits this ground, most atheists will immediately retreat by saying 'with such an abstract or unspecific definition, ofc we cannot disprove it!'. But that's the nail to the coffin. God as a being quite abstract is almost impossible to argue about. The assumptions which you must assume by faith alone (both atheists and theists) are at least plausible and since they are assumptions, you can't really debate them.
Though modern atheists should at least learn to recognize and state their assumptions. Most modern atheists don't do that and they actually look like fools in the eyes of real philosophers.

>I'm not sure that's what the moviemakers were going for when they conceptualized things.
I'm only using it as an analogy. You don't have a Morpheus. You only have your own reason and a lifetime in which to use it. If you're waiting for someone to show you the objective truth, whether we live in a simulation, or the true nature of reality you're going to waste away. Every man has a responsibility to use the information they have available and make a decision. Some find comfort in materialism, that what you see is all that exists, that reality can simply be reduced down to being the sum of it's most basic parts a soup of quarks and energy fields. I don't believe that because I think it's self evidence that consciousness cannot exist in that worldview.

Cogito ergo sum. I think therefore I am. Everything starts from that. If your worldview backtracks and starts telling you that your consciousness is illusory like hard materialism does, it's time to start looking elsewhere.

>However physical manifestations require physical proof
There is proof though, in the gospels. You need to go along the path though. First is acknowledging that non-physical phenomena exist, that the sum of reality is more than what you can see and touch but also what you can conceive of.

>It's only when said people start trying to enforce non-physical or metaphysical claims into my life
You've seen the fruits of secular society. Would you choose the current state of your country rather than 50 years ago when it was presumably majority Christian? There are very real tangible societal benefits to living in a primarily Christian society.

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Most if not all atheists are fucking degenerates.
Change my mind.

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I seriously wonder why do we even tolerate atheists. These uninteligent antifa niggers all do is contributing to white genocide and jews. These dumb apes deserve rope. Thats for sure

>There are very real tangible societal benefits to living in a primarily Christian society.
Like geting to rape virgins for the low cost of 50 shekels, but only if you get caught and then you gotta marry that thot.

Nice numbers. It's a shame that it's almost certain you're part of the auspol green voting NEET crew.