Question.

Ryder Price
Ryder Price

What happens to the souls of the pagans that existed before Jesus Christ was born?

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Aiden Diaz
Aiden Diaz

They will be judged on judgement day

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

But if they don't have Jesus how can they be saved?

Ayden Collins
Ayden Collins

Christ went to hades (greek term still used in some texts) for the three days and preached the gospel to the dead.

Liam Sanchez
Liam Sanchez

They had proto-christ

Hunter Morgan
Hunter Morgan

and preached the gospel to the dead.
Where does it say that in the Bible?

William Diaz
William Diaz

Who?

Lincoln Lewis
Lincoln Lewis

They go to Heaven if they were good

Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

hasnt read Dantes Inferno.

They are in Limbo. The layer before hell starts.

Wyatt Hall
Wyatt Hall

Contrary to common belief Christians did not hate their ancestors and thats why they maintained some historical details of them.

The general concensus is; God will have mercy on those who wanted to know him even if they created silly ideas like Zeus. Meanwhile will smite those degenerates attending orgies and ramming each other in the butt.

Parker Peterson
Parker Peterson

Why do we need Jesus then if we can just be good?

Ryan Russell
Ryan Russell

infinite torture

Robert Carter
Robert Carter

I'm not sure. All I know it's at least orthodox dogma. might be in the bible or early church tradition.

Evan Myers
Evan Myers

I mean I see youre just playing devils advocate and trying to trip people up and make them lose faith.

The thing is the answer to that question is in the bible itself. If you want even read it yourself, then it speaks for you.

Of course most people have a good nature and will try to help you anyway, but you betray their kindness by trying to poke holes in their faith and damn them along side you.

Benjamin Johnson
Benjamin Johnson

theyre reborn as fat cheetos eating amerimutt and theyre forced to larp as pagan online for all eternity

Matthew Rogers
Matthew Rogers

Typos from phoneposting, excuse me.

Kayden Scott
Kayden Scott

souls
Souls aren't real things. Really, how could you walk from one end of the room to the other and have a soul ghost stick to your bones? What's a soul made of? No, it's fake.

Wyatt Carter
Wyatt Carter

I mean I see youre just playing devils advocate and trying to trip people up and make them lose faith.
Actually I am just looking for answers, cunt.

Justin Hall
Justin Hall

The thing is the answer to that question is in the bible itself. If you want even read it yourself, then it speaks for you.
Where's the answer then? Cite it in the Bible, it's a simple request.

Josiah Gutierrez
Josiah Gutierrez

No. They will be given the chance to accept salvation. God is just.

Grayson Cox
Grayson Cox

Because we don't always know what is Good. We need a shepherd. People are herd animals. The church was formed to safeguard this knowledge as dogma.

It sounds like you haven't been to middle school, bro.

Grayson Collins
Grayson Collins

This isn't intelligent or funny.

Ayden Williams
Ayden Williams

Dante wasn't even half as smart as consuls in Roman Republic.

Luis Butler
Luis Butler

They simply cease to exist.

Nicholas Barnes
Nicholas Barnes

Its more complex than a simple answer. The bible spans a massive timeline and completes many "cycles"

In the case of man kind. The fall of man started from Eve (a woman) but Adam (partook of the same tree) so he is also fallen at a certain point.

God wanted to offer a redemption arc however to save as many as he could and destroy(not torture) the rest. That redemption as we know was to have divinity born of a flesh and blood woman. The one and only time any divine being was made flesh. (Though demons often make their spawn into flesh) Once that happens the rule of game changes, Christ is your ticket to redemption and if you deny him you deny your salvation.
It was also told that everyone in the world would hear of Christ and be able to make their decision. So there are no more excuses in the modern era. In the era before christ the rules are a bit different because the times were different.

This is the extremely paraphrased version and its a lot more fleshed out than this but you have to study that for yourself. This is the shitty Jow Forums post answer for you.

Luke Miller
Luke Miller

18 to post here

Jose Cruz
Jose Cruz

not sure what he's talking about. But proto-christ appears in the bible as "The Man". He challenged Jacob the Liar to a wrestling match and broke Jacob's hip to dust. He was a complete badass and way too OP, so God had to nerf his abilities. The Man was a bad motherfucker.

Brayden Sullivan
Brayden Sullivan

Judged on Judgement Day, likely going to hell because they didn't worship the Jewish God.

Nolan Williams
Nolan Williams

Our heavenly father,
I ask you forgiveness not only for me but for the poor, misguided souls browsing this website. Please take the hatred from their hearts and fill them with your love. Protect our homelands as we sleep and let us thank you each and every day for giving us the gift of life.
Amen.

Noah Wilson
Noah Wilson

big time amen

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Jordan Richardson
Jordan Richardson

We know that God is capable of working in mysterious ways beyond our capabilities of understanding on this earth. It is why it is tradition in most churches to pray for the souls of the dead and the damned.

When it comes to the issue of aborted babies, for example, it is generally understood they will be given the opportunity to come to Christ, and that this will be much easier for them than it would be for a man who had lived a full life of sin and who manages to come to Christ on his deathbed.

Matthew Walker
Matthew Walker

Dear Lord, our heavenly father,
I ask you for forgiveness of not only my own wing-doings but the wrong-doings of everyone browsing this website. Please Lord take the hatred from their hearts and fill them with your love. Watch over us as we sleep and let us give thanks for this beautiful life you have given unto us. Let us rejoice in your name and live eternally in your kingdom. Forever and ever, Amen.

Liam Robinson
Liam Robinson

Cessation is a heresy. Souls being eternal is a core Christian doctrine and just because you can't stomach the idea of eternality doesn't make it not so.

Nathaniel Hill
Nathaniel Hill

This isn't intelligent
Yes the fck it is. What's a soul made of? Can it be detected? Answer coward.

Eli Lopez
Eli Lopez

18 to post here
Coward deflects my questions.

Charles Scott
Charles Scott

Sorry. Didnt think the first post went through

Owen Garcia
Owen Garcia

are you asking for PHYSICAL PROOF of a METAPHYSICAL concept? KEK XD

Brayden Morales
Brayden Morales

my intentionally vague book written by ethnic jews can have any meaning needed extrapolated from it at any time, in any point in history to make it applicable to current events
what do you mean christianity is subversive and jewish?

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Cameron Perry
Cameron Perry

Bro theres a whole old testament where they deal with God the father before Jesus ever lived, reference there

Eli Baker
Eli Baker

because you know better. youve been warned. they werent

Tyler Torres
Tyler Torres

JUDGES

Jack Murphy
Jack Murphy

are you asking for PHYSICAL PROOF
Proudly, yes I am. The soul isn't real without proof.

Blake Nguyen
Blake Nguyen

Good question.
Let me just fetch my battery powered radioshack soul detector and we can find out...oh, wait!

Justin Morgan
Justin Morgan

How did pre-Christ pagans know what is good?

Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

We know that God is capable of working in mysterious ways beyond our capabilities of understanding
know

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Kayden Cooper
Kayden Cooper

What's a soul made of?
God
Can it be detected?
No

Ethan Perez
Ethan Perez

So what happens to them then you fucking moron?

Grayson Ramirez
Grayson Ramirez

Jesus will reveal himself to EVERYONE. ALL the dead will rise before tribulation. All humans get a chance at one point in either their lifes or death before the resurrection.

Noah Gray
Noah Gray

They could have converted to Judiasm. The knowledge and wisdom of God is imprinted on every heart at conception, in other words, everyone is conceived with a soul from God.

Jose Fisher
Jose Fisher

theyre waiting for judgement day. Death is like sleep. you die in the morning and wake up and meet christ in the evening. Theyll probably accept christs salvation. Meanwhile people like you will deny him to his very face. this is all in the bible of course. theres a little chapter about people looking up to heaven from hell feeling sorry for themselves.

Austin Davis
Austin Davis

Its not vague at all. Its just a lengthy read and cant be explained simply.

Which is why simpletons like you still havent read it. You love easy black and white dogma. Hitler = Good, Jew = Bad, if not racially based discard thoughts. The possibility of reality being more complex than that frightens you because youre a slacker who doesnt want to have to apply himself.

But then again Im just stereotyping based on your type of poster and larpagan nonsense. Its the most simplistic view to hold and thats why its so comfortable for you.

Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas

can you prove the existence of capitalism without physical proof. it doesn't need physical proof to exist. like numbers they simply are. concepts like strength and speed only exist because GOD made it so

Jayden Rodriguez
Jayden Rodriguez

because GOD made it so
and because God has magic power, I see.

Grayson Long
Grayson Long

they will be reincarnated into a mutt and will have genitals mutilated so they can finally accept jewsus

Easton Scott
Easton Scott

That which cannot be measured is not worthy of discussion....Newton
(A very clever christian)
see pic related

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Blake Murphy
Blake Murphy

Just gonna leave this here and move on.

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Joshua Morales
Joshua Morales

God has the power of existance you fool! He is the master programmer. The author of the story. The laws of thermodynamics are HIS laws. Reality is what god makes it.

Cooper Sanchez
Cooper Sanchez

god has unlimited powers. trying to find god in this world is like trying to find the existence of Shakespear by searching for his character in his books. GOD is the author and creator. he was, is, and shall forever be. eternal

Easton Sanchez
Easton Sanchez

Amen brother

Camden Powell
Camden Powell

The same thing that happens to pagans today that die in unbelief in the true God - judgement and hell.

Josiah Torres
Josiah Torres

.216319539
While we're at inventing the magic God, why stop at one? Why not 51? Is it because One is better than 51?

Dominic Cox
Dominic Cox

1+1= What ?

Lots of answers, only one is correct

Carson Myers
Carson Myers

what happens to the souls of the pagans

nothing, just like the souls of the christcucks

religionlarpers BFTO

Kevin Powell
Kevin Powell

You sound like a pedantic retard, but I assume you might be honest.

There's ways of finding these things out. Through either revelation, wisdom or rationality. Though not all things are capable of being understood in a single way obviously.
Christianity, quite simply is the most complete system/collection of Truth.
Some pagans got some things right, few probably got most things, they will all be judged nonetheless.

Aaron Edwards
Aaron Edwards

Jesus was like Henry Kissinger, he was here for a short time and life before he was employed to passify the jews didnt exist

Gavin Reyes
Gavin Reyes

Lots of answers, only one is correct
There are incorrect questions like "how many gods are there?" that imply there are such things as gods.

Hudson Rivera
Hudson Rivera

They were in a place called "limbo" which is void of light up until jesus came and redeemed humanity's sin.

Nathaniel Miller
Nathaniel Miller

The Primary Mover is God.
Lower beings, above us but below God, may exist, but are inconsequential beneath the One.

Ryan King
Ryan King

The Primary Mover is God.
things move on their own, no help needed

Joshua Robinson
Joshua Robinson

rationality
It's not rational to believe in supernatural beings. It's insane.

Carter Lee
Carter Lee

Of course it's all random...

Jose Johnson
Jose Johnson

1 Peter 4:6

For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit

Angel Martin
Angel Martin

The 'Big Bang' didn't move on its own.
And what situated the laws of physics such that the formation of matter, let alone life, was possible at all?
Why is there something, rather than nothing at all? Physical reality cannot tell us this.

Bentley Green
Bentley Green

I think it depends on two things. Whether they searched for the truth about God, and whether they obeyed their conscience. I don't know where exactly they are, but I don't believe they will burn forever simply for not knowing about Jesus Christ.

Liam Wright
Liam Wright

proto-christ
youtu.be/V_hEhOW1yc4

Jordan Parker
Jordan Parker

Your obsession with sky daddy and where your soul goes after death will be your undoing

Lincoln Turner
Lincoln Turner

Also, John 5:25

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Andrew Lewis
Andrew Lewis

jesusneverexisted.com

There was no Jesus, so your question is irrational.

Bentley Wood
Bentley Wood

pretty much this. Christkikes are fucking cancer.

christians did not hate their ancestors
lol yes they fucking did at least the ones whom converted willingly. the others who were forced didn't.

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Henry Sullivan
Henry Sullivan

The 'Big Bang' didn't move on its own.
Why not?
And what situated the laws of physics such
What does this mean? Is this a valid question?

Jaxson Rogers
Jaxson Rogers

All that is rewired for survival is faith in the heavenly father.

Many have had faith prior to Jesus.

Caleb Gomez
Caleb Gomez

Thank you, user. You’re a good fella to think of others and it’s appreciated. God bless you and yours, too.

Gabriel Jones
Gabriel Jones

skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm

Ian Green
Ian Green

REPOSTING OLD GOOD ANSWER

dhspriory.org/thomas/QDdeVer14.htm#11
Ok on Virtuous Pagans.
SOURCE:
St. Thomas Aquinas Questiones Disputatae de Vertate
dhspriory.org/thomas/QDdeVer14.htm#11
Here's the question posed by a man to St Thomas
Many Gentiles were saved before the coming of Christ, as Dionysius says. However, they could know nothing explicitly about the Redeemer, since the prophets had not come to them. Therefore, explicit belief in the articles about the Redeemer does not seem necessary for salvation.
The rest is ST Thomas' reply to the man

We must note, accordingly, that there are some matters of faith which everyone is bound to believe explicitly in every age. Other matters of faith must be believed explicitly in every age but not by everyone. Still other matters everyone must believe explicitly, but not in every age. And, finally, there are things that need not be believed explicitly by everyone nor in every age.
However, in the time of grace, everybody, the leaders and the ordinary people, have to have explicit faith in the Trinity and in the Redeemer. However, only the leaders, and not the ordinary people, are bound to believe explicitly all the matters of faith concerning the Trinity and the Redeemer. The ordinary people must, however, believe explicitly the general articles, such as that God is triune, that the Son of God was made flesh, died, and rose from the dead, and other like matters which the Church commemorates in her feasts.

CONT.

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Ryan Cruz
Ryan Cruz

Granted that everyone is bound to believe something explicitly, no untenable conclusion follows even if someone is brought up in the forest or among wild beasts. For it pertains to divine providence to furnish everyone with what is necessary for salvation, provided that on his part there is no hindrance. Thus, if someone so brought up followed the direction of natural reason in seeking good and avoiding evil, we must most certainly hold that God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him as he sent Peter to Cornelius (Acts 10:20).
Although it is not within our power to know matters of faith by ourselves alone, still, if we do what we can, that is, follow the guidance of natural reason, God will not withhold from us that which we need.
he Gentiles were not established as teachers of divine faith. Hence, no matter how well versed they were in secular wisdom, they should be counted as ordinary people. Therefore, it was enough for them to have implicit faith in the Redeemer, either as part of their belief in the faith of the law and the prophets, or as part of their belief in divine providence itself. Nevertheless, it is likely that the mystery of our redemption was revealed to many Gentiles before Christ’s coming, as is clear from the Sibylline prophecies.
Guess who believed in the Sibylline Prophecies? Augustus. That's why he was so honored thorughout Catholic history

Found the answer on this old thread
archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/199338538/#199355975

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Thomas Davis
Thomas Davis

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Ryder Scott
Ryder Scott

Stayed in Limbo, will be judged later on on the content of their lives

Hunter Williams
Hunter Williams

Virgil is one example of containing sibylline prophecies. So this is not just hearsay but there are actual pagan sources you can read that contain these things. Ovid is another by the way both had Augustus as their patron

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John Jenkins
John Jenkins

Amen

Carson Cox
Carson Cox

Paul states that if on judgement day you stand at the gates and understand the truth, FIND someone, anyone and repent.

Nathan Cooper
Nathan Cooper

let me claim all of this as christkikery
fucking die already jew worshiper.

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians:
The originator of the name Christ was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and "Though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea which was the origin of this evil but also through the city of Rome to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."
westmont.edu/~fisk/articles/TacitusAndPlinyOnTheEarlyChristians.html
archive.is/v3vXu

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Aiden Nguyen
Aiden Nguyen

Because people are inherently selfish and confuse what ‘feels good’ with what actually is good.

Humans are also social creatures that fear social exclusion since social exclusion usually leads to death.

It is why you get a bunch of virtue signallers seeking approval from others saying it is good to sterilise children with hormones. They want to be seen as ‘tolerant and inclusive’ because their social group has deemed those things to be values. They will call anyone that goes against them evil, but they are the ones pushing their evil onto confused and innocent kids to make themselves ‘feel good’.

Jesus taught the difference between selfishness and selflessness. True good is selflessness - where you work to benefit someone else with no benefit to yourself. That is the only form of good you can pursue. Everything else is driven by your pride and ego, and will harm others. You cannot have that level of humility without God above you because you have no reason to attack your own pride otherwise. Jesus puts a face on god so that we can emulate his selflessness in order to contain our selfishness. If you want to know what the world looks like without these ideas, look to Communism, Islam or Judaism. Pure selfishness and corruption through-and-through.

Kayden Jones
Kayden Jones

Animus deorum Romanorum Graecorumque omnia tempora vivet

Nolan Foster
Nolan Foster

Because a bunch of businessmen (preachers) told you so.

Owen Martin
Owen Martin

What a clever little hominid you would have made.
youtu.be/btpczTQ-wP0

Jeremiah Fisher
Jeremiah Fisher

Because people are inherently selfish
weird how you didn't address what he fucking sad you dumb faggot. If we were good prior to some jew telling us what to do. Then how are we now magically inherently selfish? Go fuck yourself jew worshiper.

Jayden Bennett
Jayden Bennett

How do you justify your belief in immaterial objects? Time, identity, good, truth etc?
Either you have an objective realm, as opposed to the ontologically fluid realm of matter, or you can't know anything, know anything, exist as a person etc.
Most of these key concepts your world-view is built around are in this sense "supernatural", so kill yourself, disgusting pleb fedora.

Stop being a retard.

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Lincoln Watson
Lincoln Watson

There are multiple contemporary accounts from people who personally knew Jesus - like Peter and James.

Tacitus and Josephus are both well regarded historians that wrote secular 3rd party accounts of Jesus. Tacitus was also a senator and on the council responsible for managing religions in the empire. It was literally his job to know what was happening, even if he didn’t believe it or consider it significant.

Jesus was a very real person and a local celebrity in his 30s leading to his death. You can argue that he didn’t perform miracles, but you can’t argue that he wasn’t real. There is more contemporary documentary evidence for him than for Hannibal and he was a great military leader.

Alexander Baker
Alexander Baker

It's like being a good citizen but you racked up some parking tickets. The Law sees you as a generally decent person but you still gotta pay and answer for some things, as long as you're willing to cooperate with the Law

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Andrew Hughes
Andrew Hughes

Forgetting that Julius Caesar was responsably for LEGALIZING JUDAISM IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE. And Augustus FUNDED THE JEWISH TEMPLE under HEROD AND THE SATURNIAN TEMPLE IN ROME

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Gabriel Reed
Gabriel Reed

Sources here, but there are more

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Chase Gray
Chase Gray

do some research on what happened when people from the Old Testament and before jesus died

Austin Stewart
Austin Stewart

jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/Doctrines/ot_salvation.htm

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Jack Thomas
Jack Thomas

They are in Sovngarde

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Ethan Hughes
Ethan Hughes

Irrational. Go worship your sky fairy, say a prayer to him and listen real close as he replies with silence. If you think you hear something, go seek help you have a mental disorder.

Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

Dr. Walter Gross, an eminent person in the legislation of the Third Reich and in matters of pedagogy, stated: ' Christianity was born at a time, in the Roman empire,when the bastardization of race had begin. We thus see clearly that Christianity was only able to develop and expand among bastards, impotents, and slaves.

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Christopher Campbell
Christopher Campbell

You’re not good prior to knowing God. And while you might do something that benefits others, your motivation for doing it is always to benefit yourself. So it is not truly good and that perceived good is rarely sustainable or repeatable and is easily corrupted by virtue signalling and pride - wanting to be seen as good by others.

My last sentence absolutely addressed what he asked. You are not good without some reason to humble yourself, because your ego and pride will always drive you to harm someone else in order to make yourself feel good.

All sin is selfishness and Christianity is the only religion to balance the individual with the tribe by having a belief system that allows the individual to take risks and falter, but repent when their selfishness gets in the way. Christianity is the only religion that teaches people how to be selfless which is the only way to build good societies if everyone adopts it and tries to correct those who fall into selfishness.

Humans are inherently selfish and are primarily motivated by power, pleasure and validation. Selfless actions are never driven by these things and Jesus teaches how to move past these desires to more virtuous desires that produce more successful societies and more fulfilling lives.

Sebastian Martinez
Sebastian Martinez

WHo gives a shit what your Doctor Faggot says. You're too poor to not shill on here anyways to afford a proper education about these things so fuck off the plebbt

Gavin Adams
Gavin Adams

Humans are inherently selfish and are primarily motivated by power, pleasure and validation.
Funny how christkikes did the same shit. Regardless it is just being human and christkike jew worshiping hasnt changed that and won't. itll just make it worse. Pre-christianity was 100% better and people were willing to actually murder people that you described now. You won't.
doctor faggot says
Just more proof you have no fuckin idea what you are talking about kike redditor. The only reason it was ever allowed is because of how multicultural it became christianity is the cause or rather outcome. Pre-christianity was better for the majority until the very end when christkikery became a fucking thing. Also I doubt your jew sources too.

Joshua Russell
Joshua Russell

You have no idea of the things you think you're talking about.
Either you are an edgy kid who just discovered dawkins or you're a true brainlet.
Answer these two questions:
1. explain to me how/why you can/should trust your sensory experience, supposing no objective philosophical basis (transcendence) for it? ie how do you know that matter exists.
2. do you exist? And how do you know that?

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Jaxon Lee
Jaxon Lee

If Jesus comes back, we will kill him again.

Jack Edwards
Jack Edwards

good questions, pagan souls are animal souls.
animal souls don't need saving.

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