I’ve heard some pretty stupid arguments from the skeptics. Here’s some of them I’ve heard that I can remember off the top of my head.
>The United States is number one in defense spending. We spend more than the next 25 countries combined. How would 19 Muslims beat our best defense systems with only boxcutters and knives? That could never happen.
That’s exactly what they said before Pearl Harbor, too. That’s also what they said before the sinking of the Titanic, the RMS Lusitania, and several other ships that sunk too. The more complicated it is that you make something, the more easy it is for something to go wrong with it. The people who were in control of those defense systems thought just like you that nothing could go wrong with it.
>How would the terrorists plan this out and train for it without the CIA knowing about it? There isn’t a single thing in the world that the CIA doesn’t know.
You’re giving them more credit than they deserve. There’s many things that happened that the CIA didn’t anticipate: the fall of the Berlin Wall, dissolution of the USSR, Russian incursions into Georgia and now Crimea. The CIA failed to see all of these and more.
>the plane was in the air too long for them to not know anything about and shoot down
How do you expect them to shoot down a plane that they didn’t know about? Air traffic control lost track of American Airlines 77 in an area of poor radar coverage and no one figured out where it was until it was almost out to Washington. The military was not notified until after it crashed.
Any good arguments? They’re all stupid. It sounds like controlled opposition, honestly. If Rosie O’Donnell can say that WTC7 fell at a “free fall speed” (which it didn’t) I think it’s probably safe to say that these theories are bullshit Alex Jones stuff. My main theory is exactly what got shutdown during the 9/11 commission because it was “too sensitive” in that it was because of US support for Israel. It was a revenge attack.
Oh yes, and *coincidentally* enough, this attack happened at the same time during the Second Intifada (early to mid 00s). The Arab world was pissed at that time.
Although I will admit that the argument that the US government staged it to declare the war on terror and strip liberties away from us is actually a decent argument, and in fact, I could see a huge motive for why they would want to lie about this. While there are some holes in it (at least for the Israel part), however I do think it is a legitimate argument. And you have the evidence of the faked video of Bin Laden and the dancing Israelis, but most of the arguments for 9/11 are very dumb for the most part, even the ones that people on here still believe, like the WTC7 one, and many others. Will we ever know the truth? Maybe, maybe not. But there’s no telling that we ever will.
Here’s this one channel I’d recommend you try to debunk, right here — RKOwens4. I’m no demolition expert, nor am I a pilot, but I can tell you that the whole story makes sense, given the time it happened. I just think the main arguments against it are stupid. For example, the main argument that has become so iconic now is the “jet fuel melts steel beams” argument. To demonstrate why this is bullshit, we must first examine the structure of the World Trade Center. Most high-rises have a concrete inner core or concrete-encased outer columns, or both. The world Trade Center had neither. Instead, the World Trade Center’s steel columns or trusses were protected by a layer of foam fireproofing, which was blown off during the plane impacts. See pic related.
For the north tower, 15% of the perimeter columns and 13% of the core columns were severed, with many more damaged. For the South Tower, 14% of the perimeter columns and 21% of the core columns were severed, with many more damaged. Unlike most other office fires, the crashes piped debris against the furthest walls and corners, providing fuel for persistent right at the most vulnerable points in the buildings. Although steel doesn’t melt until it reaches 2750 F, it loses 50% of it’s strength at 1100 F. The worst of the WTC fires were burning at 1800 F. As the weakened floor trusses sagged, they pulled on both the core columns and perimeter columns. Because the perimeter columns provided only 40% of the building’s support and were weakened the most by fire, the sagging caused the perimeter columns to bow inward. The bowing continued until the perimeter columns finally reached their breaking point and snapped, thus facilitating the collapse of the building.
If you think the most powerful country in the history of the world had such shit security and defensive and intelligence capabilities, I don’t know what to tell you.
Kayden Sullivan
can't you just get a normal job? lying to people for a living? really? there are so many professions that i bet you'd be suited for that would provide an actual benefit to society just... stop.
The fact that the worst fires took place where the debris was concentrated is why the South Tower collapsed to the east and the North Tower to the south. The North Tower had half as many floors of weight on its weakened columns, which is one reason it stood twice as long as the South Tower, but its own collapse was inevitable. Critics seem unable to discredit the bowing theory in the face of the photo/video evidence confirming it as fact, so tey fabricate strawman claims such as the fire-doesn’t-melt-steel, and then go on to attack this instead. Of course it didn’t melt. So ultimately, it was the fires and the sagging floor trusses that bowed the columns and led to the collapse of both towers of the World Trade Center. Not a controlled demolition. Pic related, it shows bowing of 20 inches along the east face of the South Tower.
They used to allow people to bring small knives on planes. Remember George Carlin’s pre-9/11 stand-up? Airport security was shit then and it’s overprotective and overzealous, but yet simultaneously still shit now.
Landon Gray
Isn't it weird that there is not even footage of the so called "terrorists" actually boarding the target planes. None. Were there no cameras at airports back in 2001?
Isn't it weird that the one plane that crashed near Pennsylvania completely disappeared? Do planes disappear when they crash? As if that plane never crashed there.
Yeah it was being rubbed right in everybody’s faces.
Christopher Perez
Isn't it weird that tons of passengers were able to call their relatives + wives although they were 10.000+ feet in the air? Was it possible in 2001 to do that? Where was it possible in 2001 to do that? On the ground? WHERE were they? What was the purpose?
>That’s exactly what they said before Pearl Harbor, too. they saw it coming >sinking of the Titanic that was also done on purpose >the RMS Lusitania again, meant to be sunk
>>sinking of the Titanic >that was also done on purpose Who died on the Titanic? What year did the Titanic sink? Why is this relevant? What ‘exactly’ happened to the Titanic? What ‘class of people’ were guaranteed a lifeboat? Why did select ‘individuals’ not make it into the lifeboats? Why is this relevant? How do we know who was on the lifeboats (D or A)? How were names and bodies recorded back then? When were tickets purchased for her maiden voyage? What is the FED? What does the FED control? Who controls the FED? Who approved the formation of the FED? Why did H-wood glorify Titanic as a tragic love story? Who lived in the movie (what man)? Why is this relevant? Opposite is true.
Who were Benjamin Guggenheim, Isa Strauss, Jacob Astor? What did they have in common? Why did they die? When did they die? All on the same day?
Let’s also remember that the South Tower’s inner core survived the collapse, as shown in pic related.
Without the inner core, which provided 80% of the structural support, the only resistance would come from the perimeter columns and floors. The collapse was 14.76 or 15.28 seconds for the South Tower (see two videos below), and for the North Tower, it was 22.02 seconds, not 9.22 seconds (see second two videos linked below).
Even without the inner core of the South Tower, neither of the buildings collapsed at free fall speed, all but disproving the controlled demolition theory (which would have caused a free fall speed) and supporting the pancake collapse.
British intelligence reported in February 2002 that the Israeli Mossad ran the Arab hijacker cells that were later blamed by the U.S. government's 9/11 Commission for carrying out the aerial attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. WMR has received details of the British intelligence report which was suppressed by the government of then-Prime Minister Tony Blair.
A Mossad unit consisting of six Egyptian- and Yemeni-born Jews infiltrated "Al Qaeda" cells in Hamburg (the Atta-Mamoun Darkanzali cell), south Florida, and Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates in the months before 9/11. The Mossad not only infiltrated cells but began to run them and give them specific orders that would eventually culminate in their being on board four regularly-scheduled flights originating in Boston, Washington Dulles, and Newark, New Jersey on 9/11.
The Mossad infiltration team comprised six Israelis, comprising two cells of three agents, who all received special training at a Mossad base in the Negev Desert in their future control and handling of the "Al Qaeda" cells. One Mossad cell traveled to Amsterdam where they submitted to the operational control of the Mossad's Europe Station, which operates from the El Al complex at Schiphol International Airport. The three-man Mossad unit then traveled to Hamburg where it made contact with Mohammed Atta, who believed they were sent by Osama Bin Laden. In fact, they were sent by Ephraim Halevy, the chief of Mossad.
The second three-man Mossad team flew to New York and then to southern Florida where they began to direct the "Al Qaeda" cells operating from Hollywood, Miami, Vero Beach, Delray Beach, and West Palm Beach. Israeli "art students," already under investigation by the Drug Enforcement Administration for casing the offices and homes of federal law enforcement officers, had been living among and conducting surveillance of the activities, including flight school training, of the future Arab "hijacker" cells, particularly in Hollywood and Vero Beach.
In August 2001, the first Mossad team flew with Atta and other Hamburg "Al Qaeda" members to Boston. Logan International Airport's security was contracted to Huntleigh USA, a firm owned by an Israeli airport security firm closely connected to Mossad — International Consultants on Targeted Security – ICTS. ICTS's owners were politically connected to the Likud Party, particularly the Netanyahu faction and then-Jerusalem mayor and future Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. It was Olmert who personally interceded with New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani to have released from prison five Urban Moving Systems employees, identified by the CIA and FBI agents as Mossad agents. The Israelis were the only suspects arrested anywhere in the United States on 9/11 who were thought to have been involved in the 9/11 attacks.
Lucas Reyes
The two Mossad teams sent regular coded reports on the progress of the 9/11 operation to Tel Aviv via the Israeli embassy in Washington, DC. WMR has learned from a Pentagon source that leading Americans tied to the media effort to pin 9/11 on Arab hijackers, Osama Bin Laden, and the Taliban were present in the Israeli embassy on September 10, 2001, to coordinate their media blitz for the subsequent days and weeks following the attacks. It is more than likely that FBI counter-intelligence agents who conduct surveillance of the Israeli embassy have proof on the presence of the Americans present at the embassy on September 10. Some of the Americans are well-known to U.S. cable news television audiences.
In mid-August, the Mossad team running the Hamburg cell in Boston reported to Tel Aviv that the final plans for 9/11 were set. The Florida-based Mossad cell reported that the documented "presence" of the Arab cell members at Florida flight schools had been established.
The two Mossad cells studiously avoided any mention of the World Trade Center or targets in Washington, DC in their coded messages to Tel Aviv. Halevy covered his tracks by reporting to the CIA of a "general threat" by an attack by Arab terrorists on a nuclear plant somewhere on the East Coast of the United States. CIA director George Tenet dismissed the Halevy warning as "too non-specific." The FBI, under soon-to-be-departed director Louis Freeh, received the "non-specific" warning about an attack on a nuclear power plant and sent out the information in its routine bulletins to field agents but no high alert was ordered.
David Gomez
The lack of a paper trail pointing to "Al Qaeda" as the masterminds on 9/11, which could then be linked to Al Qaeda's Mossad handlers, threw off the FBI. On April 19, 2002, FBI director Robert Mueller, in a speech to San Francisco's Commonwealth Club, stated: "In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper — either here in the United States, or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere — that mentioned any aspect of the September 11 plot."
The two Mossad "Al Qaeda" infiltration and control teams had also helped set up safe houses for the quick exfiltration of Mossad agents from the United States. Last March, WMR reported: "WMR has learned from two El Al sources who worked for the Israeli airline at New York’s John F. Kennedy airport that on 9/11, hours after the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) grounded all civilian domestic and international incoming and outgoing flights to and from the United States, a full El Al Boeing 747 took off from JFK bound for Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion International Airport. The two El Al employee sources are not Israeli nationals but legal immigrants from Ecuador who were working in the United States for the airline. The flight departed JFK at 4:11 pm and its departure was, according to the El Al sources, authorized by the direct intervention of the U.S. Department of Defense. U.S. military officials were on the scene at JFK and were personally involved with the airport and air traffic control authorities to clear the flight for take-off. According to the 9/11 Commission report, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta ordered all civilian flights to be grounded at 9:45 am on September 11." WMR has learned from British intelligence sources that the six-man Mossad team was listed on the El Al flight manifest as El Al employees.
Ryan Wood
WMR previously reported that the Mossad cell operating in the Jersey City-Weehawken area of New Jersey through Urban Moving Systems was suspected by some in the FBI and CIA of being involved in moving explosives into the World Trade Center as well as staging "false flag" demonstrations at least two locations in north Jersey: Liberty State Park and an apartment complex in Jersey City as the first plane hit the World Trade Center's North Tower. One team of Urban Moving Systems Mossad agents was arrested later on September 11 and jailed for five months at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn. Some of their names turned up in a joint CIA-FBI database as known Mossad agents, along with the owner of Urban Moving Systems, Dominik Suter, whose name also appeared on a "Law Enforcement Sensitive" FBI 9/11 suspects list, along with the names of key "hijackers," including Mohammed Atta and Hani Hanjour, as well as the so-called "20th hijacker," Zacarias Moussaoui.
In 2001, a rap group named “The Coup” were scheduled to release a new album called Party Music. The original album cover art depicted the 2 group members, Pam the Funkstress and Riley, standing in front of the 2 World Trade Center towers as they are destroyed by huge explosions in the background. This might seem distasteful at first, showing a huge lack of compassion for the victims of the 9/11 attacks, but once you realize that this particular CD cover was designed and finished in June 2001, 3 months prior to the 9/11 attacks, your opinion will likely change. Originally the album was scheduled to be released in mid-September, but in response to the uncanny similarity to the soon to happen September 11 attacks, the album release was delayed until November of that year, and the released album cover was completely changed. How could an image so specific and exact be created 3 months prior to that very event taking place? What are your thoughts? Is it just a strange coincidence, or is it something more? Share your thoughts in the comments below!
Suter was allowed to escape the United States after the FBI made initial contact with him at the Urban Moving Systems warehouse in Weehawken, New Jersey, following the 9/11 attacks. Suter was later permitted to return to the United States where he was involved in the aircraft parts supply business in southern Florida, according to an informe3d source who contacted WMR. Suter later filed for bankruptcy in Florida for Urban Moving Systems and other businesses he operated: Suburban Moving & Storage Inc.; Max Movers, Inc.; Invsupport; Woodflooring Warehouse Corp.; One Stop Cleaning LLC; and City Carpet Upholstery, Inc.
Brody Powell
From the list of creditors it can be determined that Suter had been operating in the United States since 1993, the year of the first attack on the World Trade Center. In 1993, Suter began racking up American Express credit card charges totaling $21,913.97. Suter also maintained credit card accounts with HSBC Bank and Orchard Bank c/o HSBC Card Services of Salinas, California, among other banks. Suter also did business with the Jewish Community Center of Greater Palm Beach in Florida and Ryder Trucks in Miami. Miami and southern Florida were major operating areas for cells of Israeli Mossad agents masquerading as "art students," who were living and working near some of the identified future Arab "hijackers" in the months preceding 9/11.
ABC's 20/20 correspondent John Miller ensured that the Israeli connection to "Al Qaeda's" Arab hijackers was buried in an "investigation" of the movers' activities on 9/11. Anchor Barbara Walters helped Miller in putting a lid on the story about the movers and Suter aired on June 21, 2002. Miller then went on to become the FBI public affairs spokesman to ensure that Mueller and other FBI officials kept to the "Al Qaeda" script as determined by the Bush administration and the future 9/11 Commission. But former CIA chief of counter-terrorism Vince Cannistraro let slip to ABC an important clue to the operations of the Mossad movers in New Jersey when he stated that the Mossad agents "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area." The "intelligence operation" turned out to have been the actual 9/11 attacks. And it was no coincidence that it was ABC's John Miller who conducted a May 1998 rare interview of Osama Bin Laden at his camp in Afghanistan. Bin Laden played his part well for future scenes in the fictional "made-for-TV" drama known as 9/11.
Aaron Perry
WMR has also learned from Italian intelligence sources that Mossad's running of "Al Qaeda" operatives did not end with running the "hijacking" teams in the United States and Hamburg. Other Arab "Al Qaeda" operatives, run by Mossad, were infiltrated into Syria but arrested by Syrian intelligence. Syria was unsuccessful in turning them to participate in intelligence operations in Lebanon. Detailed information on Bin Laden's support team was offered to the Bush administration, up to days prior to 9/11, by Gutbi al-Mahdi, the head of the Sudanese Mukhabarat intelligence service. The intelligence was rejected by the Biush White House. It was later reported that Sudanese members of "Al Qaeda's" support network were double agents for Mossad who had also established close contacts with Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh and operated in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Eritrea, as well as Sudan. The Mossad connection to Al Qaeda in Sudan was likely known by the Sudanese Mukhabarat, a reason for the rejection of its intelligence on "Al Qaeda" by the thoroughly-Mossad penetrated Bush White House. Yemen had also identified "Al Qaeda" members who were also Mossad agents. A former chief of Mossad revealed to this editor in 2002 that Yemeni-born Mossad "deep insertion" commandos spotted Bin Laden in the Hadhramaut region of eastern Yemen after his escape from Tora Bora in Afghanistan, following the U.S. invasion.
Gavin Brooks
French intelligence determined that other Egyptian- and Yemeni-born Jewish Mossad agents were infiltrated into Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates as radical members of the Muslim Brotherhood. However, the "Muslim Brotherhood" agents actually were involved in providing covert Israeli funding for "Al Qaeda" activities. On February 21, 2006, WMR reported on the U.S. Treasury Secretary's firing by President Bush over information discovered on the shady "Al Qaeda" accounts in the United Arab Emirates: "Banking insiders in Dubai report that in March 2002, U.S. Secretary of Treasury Paul O’Neill visited Dubai and asked for documents on a $109,500 money transfer from Dubai to a joint account held by hijackers Mohammed Atta and Marwan al Shehhi at Sun Trust Bank in Florida. O’Neill also asked UAE authorities to close down accounts used by Al Qaeda . . . . The UAE complained about O’Neill’s demands to the Bush administration. O’Neill’s pressure on the UAE and Saudis contributed to Bush firing him as Treasury Secretary in December 2002 " O'Neill may have also stumbled on the "Muslim Brotherhood" Mossad operatives operating in the emirates who were directing funds to "Al Qaeda."
After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the rise to power of the Taliban in Afghanistan, Sharjah's ruler, Sultan bin Mohammed al-Qasimi, who survived a palace coup attempt in 1987, opened his potentate to Russian businessmen like Viktor Bout, as well as to financiers of radical Muslim groups, including the Taliban and "Al Qaeda."
Jaxson Brown
Moreover, this Israeli support for "Al Qaeda" was fully known to Saudi intelligence, which approved of it in order to avoid compromising Riyadh. The joint Israeli-Saudi support for "Al Qaeda" was well-known to the Sharjah and Ras al Khaimah-based aviation network of the now-imprisoned Russian, Viktor Bout, jailed in New York on terrorism charges. The presence of Bout in New York, a hotbed of Israeli intelligence control of U.S. federal prosecutors, judges, as well as the news media, is no accident: Bout knows enough about the Mossad activities in Sharjah in support of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, where Bout also had aviation and logistics contracts, to expose Mossad as the actual mastermind behind 9/11. Bout's aviation empire also extended to Miami and Dallas, two areas that were nexuses for the Mossad control operations for the "Al Qaeda" flight training operations of the Arab cell members in the months prior to 9/11.
Bout's path also crossed with "Al Qaeda's" support network at the same bank in Sharjah, HSBC. Mossad's phony Muslim Brotherhood members from Egypt and Yemen controlled financing for "Al Qaeda" through the HSBC accounts in Sharjah. Mossad's Dominik Suter also dealt with HSBC in the United States. The FBI's chief counter-terrorism agent investigating Al Qaeda, John O'Neill, became aware of the "unique" funding mechanisms for Al Qaeda. It was no mistake that O'Neill was given the job as director of security for the World Trade Center on the eve of the attack. O'Neill perished in the collapse of the complex.Mossad uses a number of Jews born in Arab countries to masquerade as Arabs. They often carry forged or stolen passports from Arab countries or nations in Europe that have large Arab immigrant populations, particularly Germany, France, Britain, Denmark, Sweden, and the Netherlands.
Kayden Evans
You don't find this interesting?
Joseph Gonzalez
www.bitchute.com/video/ng522XFVIVPg/
Jayden Ortiz
For Mossad, the successful 9/11 terrorist "false flag" operation was a success beyond expectations. The Bush administration, backed by the Blair government, attacked and occupied Iraq, deposing Saddam Hussein, and turned up pressure on Israel's other adversaries, including Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Hamas, and Lebanese Hezbollah. The Israelis also saw the U.S., Britain, and the UN begin to crack down on the Lebanese Shi'a diamond business in Democratic Republic of Congo and West Africa, and with it, the logistics support provided by Bout's aviation companies, which resulted in a free hand for Tel Aviv to move in on Lebanese diamond deals in central and west Africa.
Then-Israeli Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu commented on the 9/11 attacks on U.S. television shortly after they occurred. Netanyahu said: "It is very good!" It now appears that Netanyahu, in his zeal, blew Mossad's cover as the masterminds of 9/11.
Colton Fisher
Anons let’s just go to sleep. This 911 stuff is making me super sleepy. I can barely stay awake.
>discussing an event >"oh my god user, liar liar pants on fire Weather is nice in israel, are they paying you that much to keep you inside shilling all day?
Evan Kelly
>That’s exactly what they said before Pearl Harbor, pearl harbor was allowed to happen, some (just happens to be jew) politicians knew the attack was on the way and did not pass the Intel on. They wanted the USA to join the war. >How would the terrorists plan this out and train for it without the CIA knowing about it? Mueller actually knew about it, was the handler of one of the terrorists, the FBI paid for 3 of the terrorists hotel rooms while they attended flight school. >the plane was in the air too long for them to not know anything about and shoot down. Chenny gave stand down orders to the military.
Over half of the victims were never found. Many of the identified were blown into chunks found on rooftops, some blocks away. Witness accounts of persons bursting into flames and melting skin and flesh suppressed.
There is nuke charges designed specifically for demolitions. We've had them since the 60s. Designed specifically for blowing up power plants, dams etc, big concrete reinforced steel structures.
Eye witnesses who saw the second plane all say it was a military jet. People who escaped the towers before the collapse report explosions coming from below, possibly from the basement.
Benjamin Hill
I've been perplexed as to how a basement charge would not blast out the lower 1/3 floor windows and how did the top secton of one building break off then blow apart. The only explanations I can come up with either a top-bottom daisy chain of micronukes, a downward directed shaped charge, or a fusion bomb which consumes itself slower falling through the center.
Jaxson Martinez
This is an adult discussion.
Ryder Martinez
>of NIST But of course Supposing they did use a nuke device of some sort, it would be hard not to destroy the bathtub the buildings were build upon and keep enough force to plow trough 110 stories vertically
Josiah Lee
In my opinion they allowed it to happen or possibly even encouraged it how what happened isn’t important what is people profited from it big time the Saudi Arabians pharmaceutical companies mining companies oil companies Israel there are the ones who benefited from the Invasion in the American taxpayerThe Iraqi and Afghan people got The worst of it
Concrete has retained moisture, the extreme heat combined with the shockwave vaporized all moisture in the concrete and blasted it into the atmosphere in a pyroclastic flow of superheated dust.
What about the force of the plane impacting rupturing the fuel tanks and creating Sparks
Thomas Collins
I adjusted for contrast, gamma, and color and found this only visible look at the internal explosion which leaked out a weakened corner. The directional changes of debris falling around the enhanced area caught my attention.
