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There is to the extent that the Welsh still overwhelmingly see the English as a foreign people. Probably even more than the Scots do despite what you’ve seen in Hollywood movies.

Or actually putting it another way, it’s more like the Welsh are sort of in their own little world secluded away not thinking about anyone else, while the Scottish are both closer to the English and more hostile.

The word 'Wales' literally means 'foreigner' in Old English kek.

When I say there's animosity, I mean that both the Scots and the Irish dislike the English over centuries old conflicts. The Welsh get on with everybody really, And the English look down on everybody else.

anglos didnt invade. they just settled and influenced a shit load. became the ruling class, there's a reason the place translates to "land of the angles"

There is. Prayerbook rebellion came from Cornwall. Bonnie Prince Charlie landed with 7 people in the very north of Scotland and managed to get an army big enough to threaten London. Cavaliers apparently were recruited from Celts whereas roundheads were Germanics.

that's inaccurate, it leaves out the period when the Kingdom of York (Jorvik) and the Kingdom of Dublin were simultaneously ruled by the same Vikings.

>I ask because one of your national heroes is King Arthur who defended Britain from the Saxons, but at the same time you are proud to be descended from them? Does it depend on the region?
Many actual Anglo-Saxon kings claimed ancestral ties to famous Briton kings, and some of them formed ancestral claims through marriage.

yEAH 980 AD is wrong. King Athelstan unified England in 927 AD, and it was the territory shown in 1050.

As someone born Welsh to English parents can confirm. I got bullied senseless about it at school. There's a major inferiority complex with the welsh. If I remember correctly England's rule over wales is the longest any country has ever had over another.

Thanks anons, more or less what I expected. By the way, is it culturally acceptable to shittalk Pakis etc amongst the white people in your country? In France I wouldn't dare to do it, they are quite protective of their minority class.

speaking for myself, my surname is English and my great great Grandfather emigrated from Northern England (emigrated from Barrow-in-Furness in Lancashire, but family was previously from Leeds area in Yorkshire), but my Y-DNA haplogroup is pic related.
So I'm a descendant of Ancient Britons by fatherline, but that fatherline is "English".

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Yeah, I hadn't noticed that. Took me 30 seconds in Google to find it so I'm not too fussed.
They were allied to the Ui Neille clans for a bit I believe.

Have you lost your accent?

>when a Yank schools you on British history
kek, I feel pretty good about that tbqh

>still genetically majority celtic
>genetically
>celtic

Celtic is a linguistic and cultural branch of indo-european. Genetically there is not much difference between the Celtic and Germanic tribes.

>So I'm a descendant of Ancient Britons by fatherline, but that fatherline is "English".
Pretty sure sums up the entirety of England. There was varying degrees of cultural integration with the indigenous Britons. The Kingdom of Bernicia (the north of the Kingdom of Northumbria) was an Anglo-Saxon kingdom that was entirely based in modern day Scotland and they spoke Cumbric alongside English until at least the 7th century.

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Fair play lad. I obviously need to brush up on my history.

>Genetically there is not much difference between the Celtic and Germanic tribes.
>but i'll make videos casually denigrating the Celts and treating them as irrelevant and focusing exclusively on Germanic paganism

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>Pretty sure sums up the entirety of England
As far as fatherlines go, Anglo-Saxon fatherlines are super dominant in England. But all English people are mixed with Anglo-Saxon and Celtic to some degree.

Do you speak Celtic?

Also STJ is bro-tier. He’s made several videos about the Cornish and the Dumnonians.

Has he done a DNA test?

I recommend playing Crusader Kings II, it really brings that era to life.

>Anglo Saxon Fatherlines dominate Britain.

This is true, the ratio of I1a and R1b-U106 in England is comparable to the Netherlands.

I'll give it a go. I picked a steam copy up for free a while ago and haven't had an excuse to play it until now.

Thomas has I1 and was 99% Northwest European.

>Do you speak Celtic?
No, but I would really like to. I feel really lost in increasingly multi-cultural USA, I have a strong yearning to rediscover my roots more.
>Also STJ is bro-tier. He’s made several videos about the Cornish and the Dumnonians.
He's absolutely bro-tier, I'm a fan. I just find it odd how little he seems to care about Celtic history since he's all about things that are "very Indo-European".
The Celtic expansion is a huge part of that history and I get the sense that he prefers to trivialize the distinction between Germanics and Celts because his haplogroup is Scandinavian in origin. But at the same time he constantly says that haplogroups are pretty much irrelevant.
I think he can contradict himself a bit at times. But I still really like him and find him to be educational.
>Has he done a DNA test?
yeah, he mentioned his haplogroup somewhere once, I think it's I1 if I remember correctly.

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if you start in the Viking Age it can get interesting as sometimes the Vikings get a huge foothold in Northern England that can last centuries if the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms don't pull together. Usually games proceed along a relatively historically accurate trajectory though.
In the last month they released a brand new starting date called "The Iron Century" which is what I'm playing now (as the Welsh).
It's going pretty well...

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A thing to note is that the Anglo-Saxons had more DNA from the Hallstatt culture than the British. Celts did.

The Irish aren’t genetically Celts. Genetically they’re Northeast Bell Beakers.

In 2200-2000 BCE, the first Indo-Europeans invaded England and Ireland from the Rhineland area. They wiped out 90% of the pre-existing population.

A decent portion of the I1 and G2a in the UK and the ROI comes from the 10% that survived.

Germanic is also foreign to the Dutch, Austrians and... Germans

England genetically is 80% Isles in common with Wales and Scotland. But this native stock also blends into the Benelux and northern France. It makes sense to think of England as NW European.

>Irish aren’t genetically Celts. Genetically they’re Northeast Bell Beakers.
I don't know about that, I think they are but they're quite distinct from Celtic Britons or Gauls.
Celts were clannish as fuck, so it figures that the separate Celtic tribes would become genetically distinct from each other over time.
But technically they're all Bell Beakers like Germanics are. But the Germanics and the Celts tended to stay on opposite sides of the Rhine river and Roman sources indicated that they were in conflict with each other.

There is proof that I1 in the British Isles predates the historical Viking invasions/migrations?

>In 2200-2000 BCE, the first Indo-Europeans invaded England and Ireland from the Rhineland area. They wiped out 90% of the pre-existing population.

Err... no.

Every invasion and every migration of Europeans into the UK brought some I1.

Almost every population in Europe has some I1.

So yes? I think. The vikings would of responsible for a decent portion of it though. Scandinavia is he only place where I1 reaches 45%.

>But this native stock also blends into the Benelux and northern France.
The French used to MASSIVELY play up their Celtic heritage. It used to be a much bigger part of French identity than it is today. It's an interesting phenomenon that I wish I understood better (as in why they started distancing themselves from it more except for the Bretons).

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Celtic is a culture and language transmission more than a people. Far more significant Celtic artefacts have been unearthed in England than in Ireland or Scotland. The Celtic larp is the biggest larp of all.

google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/21/arrival-of-beaker-folk-changed-britain-forever-ancient-dna-study-shows
ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/90-neolithic-british-gene-pool-was-replaced-beaker-immigrants-009636
google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/science-environment-43115485
scientificamerican.com/article/bronze-age-ldquo-beaker-culture-rdquo-invaded-britain-ancient-genome-study-finds/
answersingenesis.org/archaeology/tug-war-between-genetics-and-archaeology/
google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/stonehenge-neolithic-britain-history-ancestors-plague-archaeology-beaker-people-a8222341.html?amp

>Far more significant Celtic artefacts have been unearthed in England than in Ireland or Scotland
why would that be a surprise? After the Romans left they were the only people living there before the Anglo-Saxons showed up.

All good Americans and all good American history comes from the British isles, hell even the first president was English by blood.

Places like Brittany and Cornwall are only "Celtic" insofar as it's harder for new languages to penetrate through to the Atlantic fringes. The people themselves are not genetically distinct. And ultimately Celtic culture is foreign and alien even if they lay claim to the heritage.

one red-pill is learning to almost never take archaeologists and anthropologists seriously if you sense they are trying to downplay the possibility of extremely violent population turnover events

PC archaeological has always been about how the Indo-Europeans were multicultural and only spread their language through trade.

What has been discovered is that an extremely warlike abd patriarchical culture from the Eurasian steppe commited a seris of violent conquests which resulted in the death of almost all pre-existing cultures through genocide (either directly, like in the UK and north France, or by killing off the men and taking the women, like in Iberia and south France).

Generally there are no issues with diversity shoved down our throat minute differences between natives get lost in the background noise. Only tensions would be the different countries though that's pretty tame. Shit I am a nice blend myself.

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The Nazis with the whole ‘Aryan hyperborean’ thing were almost correct.

This egyptologists are full of shit.

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I agree. I'm proud to have an overwhelming amount of British ancestry.
>And ultimately Celtic culture is foreign and alien even if they lay claim to the heritage.
The map of modern France overlays very well with Ancient Gaul.
But I don't know how much Gallic ancestry still survives in France. In some regions other than Brittany I imagine there must still be a strong ethnic Celtic component. But I have no evidence and I don't know if such evidence exists... did the Gauls burn their dead? If so it would be hard to find bones to get ancient DNA.

anglo culture is anti-white

>What has been discovered is that an extremely warlike abd patriarchical culture from the Eurasian steppe commited a seris of violent conquests which resulted in the death of almost all pre-existing cultures through genocide (either directly, like in the UK and north France, or by killing off the men and taking the women, like in Iberia and south France).
In most cases it seems to be the latter. The Steppe component is usually between 40-50%. Which suggests that warrior bands of male Aryan chads would head into new regions, kill or castrate all of the men, and create a new race by breeding with the women. It happened multiple times in multiple regions.

I think I1 was a Scandi branch of I*, and the rest of Europe had I2.

You can also check here:
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France is mainly R1b but so were the; Gauls, Romans, Franks, Basque e.c.t.

It’s tricky to tell how Gallic or Roman France is because the Romans and Guals (and some Germans) all have similar subclades of R1b. That being R1b-Su28.

>they started distancing themselves from it

[Citation needed]

>The people themselves are not genetically distinct

That's why blue eyes are much more common in Brittany than in most of France, right ?

Did the Romans actually leave much of genetic signature in France?
>>they started distancing themselves from it
>[Citation needed]
I could be wrong, it's just the sense that I get. I don't speak French. I know you guys have those Asterix comics and such but I got the sense that outside of Brittany the French don't have as strong of a Celtic identity as they used to 100-200 years ago.

The Bell Beakers were only 60-70% steppe though. The Bell Beakers descend almost completely from mixed Corded Ware (~75% steppe) and mixed Danubian (~50% steppe) Indo-Europeans.

A drop from ~65% to ~40% steppe Dna implies a more ‘complete’ genocide.

Massively Gallic except for the Basque country and the Mediterranean coasts but those might still be a majority of tan Celts rather than ethnic Romans... or maybe even Gauls. Check out Cisalpine Gaul

Most people refer to themselves as French, Brittany is seen as more Celtic but that's because the language survived and people don't always realize that most Gauls were also Celts.
There's an expression here that goes "Our ancestors the Gauls". A lot of SJWs have been demonizing that recently but it's still what people believe in, except for Normand LARPers who say they're vikings, the Basques and a few others

The Romans have more J2 than most western Europeans so J2 ‘hotspots’ might correlate with Roman settlers.

The problem is that Celts also had minorities of J2 (all Indo-Europeans do, even Indians).

what region of France are you from? I'm fascinated by the Gauls.
I need to watch pic related.

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What about the tiny amount of native Flemish and German speaking Frenchmen?

Heck, even in Brittany we associate with Gauls and Asterix (his village is pretty much where I live) although our ancestors came to this land later, starting in the 3rd century and intensifying in the 5th

If you were American you would know this is not true. English are the most delusional people alive...most inflated sense of self worth...

>Posts 800 AD map of Britain
>King Arthur

Are you actually on about the Briton Celts fighting the Saxons or King Alfred fighting the Danish?

>most Gauls were also Celts
what do you mean "most"? were they not quintessentially Celtic?
>There's an expression here that goes "Our ancestors the Gauls". A lot of SJWs have been demonizing that recently but it's still what people believe in, except for Normand LARPers who say they're vikings, the Basques and a few others
Yeah, I was just reading about how even (((Sarkozy))) said it and people were trying to say that he was wrong because there are so many other groups that contributed to French ancestry. But I have a sense that the Gauls indeed make up a lot of the heritage of the French.
It makes me feel a kinship with those French in a way.

It’s kind of earned though. Largest empire history, establish their wierd dialect of Frisian as the international language (with America) and they were the home of the Industrial Revolution.

The real enemy within are the Normans-the ruling class.
Every other division with the indigenous ethnic groups has been manufactured by them for over 1k years.

I wouldn't say there are many native Germans in France. We make a distinction between "Germains" (Germanic peoples) and "Allemands" (the people of modern Germany, which does not include all Germanic peoples).
Anyway, I don't really know, but they very largely identify as French so it's likely they feel related to the Gauls even if they know they're not genetically related. They might be more related than it might seem, though, since they live in areas of Gallia Belgica and Gallia Celtica

Brittany

How is Nantes pronouced?

>If you were American you would know this is not true.
It is true. The rest of you are just visiting.
youtube.com/watch?v=eQMzJ5Z7zBw
>Brittany
Okay... well you said "citation needed" but I explicitly said "except for the Bretons" in the post you responded to, kek. see again I was talking about the sense that I had about the rest of France losing touch with their Celtic roots. Obviously that wouldn't be true for the Bretons.

Aquitains were considered Gauls but were proto-Basques, and I'm not sure the people of Gallia Belgica (Benelux and part of modern Germany) or those of Gallia Cisalpina (fairly large part of Northern Italy, a small bit of Central Italy, probably reaching a little into Austria) were considered Celts.

I have a sense that there won't be any rush to answer these questions as there are probably fears that it could inspire a new Gallic nationalism.
I read this paper recently where the guy talks about the history of Celtic Identity in France somewhat disapprovingly.
jstor.org/stable/682302?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

"Nant", nasal "an", "t" is pronounced but "e" and "s" aren't.
Some people in the south of France might pronounce the e but that's their accent. In pottery you might pronounce it.

Well, I know a little bit about the rest of France... It's not like we're isolated or something. Here we celebrate Celtic heritage but the rest of the country largely feels related to Gauls, while regularly ignoring that they were Celts.

Bongoloid here, the Armenians generally look nothing like Turks or Azeris (apart from a few rape baby features)

In that paper I linked to he says Napoleon's irredentist campaigns were based on the idea on reclaiming the land of the Gauls.
Not really that different from the Lebensraum concept.

Cisalpine Gual (or Gallia?) was an ethnic clusterfuck. You had Lepotonic Celts (Guals in the Po Valley), but you also had Liguranians and Venetians who were linguistically Proto-Italo-Celtic but were niether Italic nor Celtic.

>Here we celebrate Celtic heritage but the rest of the country largely feels related to Gauls, while regularly ignoring that they were Celts.
that makes sense, that's more or less the sense that I had. thanks.

brittonic tribes were in Pretani, then the romans invaded, they administered it until they were driven out by the a partnership of brittonic tribes, the iceni etc.

then the angles invaded from present day denmark, and soon after the saxons from present day north west germany.

they invaded eastern britain, settled there and soon assimilated with the brittonic tribes, meddling into a tri cultural civilisation.

welsh, cornish, and scots, pushed back against the influence. they to this day hold onto their identity

I don't think Gallic nationalism would be much of a threat to countries related to Gaul, namely France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Italy. Germany also was, and well, we did try to take back the western bank of the Rhine but that's not really a possibility in the modern age anymore. I doubt there could be any separatism linked to a Gallic heritage in any of those countries.
We almost all identify as French here, and Northern Italians identity as Italians (or Northern Italians), Belgians identify as Belgians, be it Flemish or Walloon.
We have ties with those countries and that could be good against common ennemies but that's it. That'd require us not to be led by traitors, though. Our elites constantly talk about the "French-German couple" which no one ever heard of in Germany, while antagonizing Salvini's Italy and not caring much about Belgium, Spain or more distant natural friends like Russia.

I had a thought before that the French Revolution was in fact a rebellion of the Gauls against the Germanic elite.

How badly do Normans larp?

It's like anywhere. If you're among the more rough and ready working class, or you go to more rural areas, yes.
Closer you get to the POZ, the more people hide their true nature.
I prefer unguarded people, I like truth as they see or feel it.
I grew up in N.Ireland on the Shankhill RD/Belfast so those people really influenced my outlook. Basically, no time for bullshit. The catholics I got to know share that mindset. They are very different to the people I met in Dublin in the ROI.
I've travelled around England and Scotland for years too. Scotland between the two is more honest I think, though Edinburgh is similar in outlook to the people in London (that I got to know, anyway)=socially engineered to hide, or ignore, truths and reality. It's sad that some people will live a concocted lie their entire lives.

From what I've seen Cisalpine Gaul didn't include Liguria nor Venetia, and was spread in a bordergore manner

Ah sorry, I thought that Cisalpine Gaul included everything between the Alps and the Apennines.

hurr durr,everyone in britain is a immigrant

>normans, angles, saxons, romans took over successively and administrated it.

The pagan ones seem to larp hard and seem to feel more nordic than anything, thus almost feeling closer to Germans (naziboos for the radical right ones) but I don't think they're that numerous.
Overall I'd say it's just historical larping, as Normandy was a fiefdom belonging to people of viking origins. There's a cool larp village north of Caen that attracts a bunch of tourists.
Same way as modern French might feel related to the Franks, who were Germanic, because our fate fused with theirs.
We're a complex country that never needed extra "diversity", we've always had that.

>I had a thought before that the French Revolution was in fact a rebellion of the Gauls against the Germanic elite.
It could be.

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“Britain is a nation of immigrants!” They declare, being oblivious to the fact that those immigrants were; white, actually worked and conquered Britain.

>English are the most delusional people alive.

America was founded by a few delusional British blood men, they had to be delusional to fight against the largest empire of the time for freedom.

Scotland should drop the leftism and embrace their inner warrior. Beautiful place and good people, but their politics are fucked.

>America was founded by a few delusional British blood men, they had to be delusional to fight against the largest empire of the time for freedom.
I think a big factor was that in England a lot of people were reading Thomas Paine and others and were actually quite sympathetic to the American cause, so they didn't want to King to fight against them.

Similar can be said for all European nations. As someone from ‘the colonies’ I have always been dumbstruck by the notion that Europe could even be ‘culturally enriched’.

When I think of Europe I think of people doing odd things in silly hats while singing and eating pastries. That’s more than enough culture.

Reminder that if you want your kids to value culture and tradition, take them to celtic language schools. In Wales we have things like school Eisteddfods and Urdd Gobaith Cymru, which take kids out on trips to learn instruments, do folk dancing, and compete in poetry and music competitions. Everyone I know has fond memories of doing this shit as a kid and it helps to keep the old language alive

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Racist, take them to learn Urdu instead.