is national socialism actual socialism?
Is national socialism actual socialism?
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Truly amazing pr how literal feminazi cunts were able to asfroturf a whole political movement
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No because actual socialism has never been tried.
There's no such thing as "actual socialism". National Socialism is socialism in that it's an anti-capitalist economic (and political) system. Is it at all like Marxist Socialism? No, not even remotely. Here:
National Socialism/Fascism:
>pro-markets, pro-privatization
>anti-globalism, Pro-nationalism
>anti-degeneracy
>pro-culture, pro-tradition
>pro-family, Family is the building block of society
>opposed to Capitalism and Marxism all the time, not only when it suits them
Marxism/Left-Socialism:
>anti-market, pro-nationalization
>pro-globalism, anti-nationalism
>pro-degeneracy
>anti-culture, anti-tradition: gets in the way of building the new society
>anti-family, attempts to supplant it with the state at every opportunity
>claims to be opposed to Capitalism, until a Ultranationalist state emerges, then suddenly you can't tell the difference between one (((you know who))) lead communist state and their so called Capitalist "Opposition"
It's like Night and Day. Marxist Socialism and Capitalism have more in common than Marxist Socialism and National Socialism. The only thing they do have in common is that they are both a kind of Authoritarianism (where National Socialism and other variations of Ultranationalism are merely "Authoritarian", Marxist-Socialist states are Radical Authoritarian, or rather, Totalitarian.
Any more questions?
No
We totally aren't socialists like those other guys, trust us!
They weren't according to marxist definitions, they allowed for free enterprise and for their major corporations to remain in private hands, they worked with the private sector rather than trying to socialize it into incompetent hands like the marxists did.
I never said they where Marxists but Marxism is not the only form of socialism.
National Socialism was Corporatist in many senses, rather than Capitalist etc. At least during war it operated like a pretty strict command economy.
The end goal of socialism is marxism, the National Socialists were not socialists in the marxist sense of the word, they purged all elements of it during the night of long knives, and rightfully so.
Wartime economies don't count when figuring out and measuring the economic policy of the state. In War you have to do what you have to do.
And yet, National Socialism was something else, but it's defined as Socialism, and it's anti-Capitalist, so it's socialist. There were elements of Corporatism involved, but wasn't corporatist in e.g the Italian sense. So National Socialism is a correct description.
>they weren't socialists, they just acted like them!
If it acts like a duck and sounds like a duck, it's probably a duck.
Did it work?
>Yes--> then it wasn't socialism
>No--> then it wasn't REAL socialism
What part of purging communists are you not understanding.
Yes, the Nazis owned all the businesses and owned every part of the economy.
Nazis were literal commies because they didn't trade with anyone else and everything was state-owned.
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>Yes, the Nazis owned all the businesses and owned every part of the economy.
No, they didn't. Not even close. When the National Socialists came to power they literally privatized whole sections of the economy. Even the term "privatization" was coined to describe the actions of the National Socialists, that's when the word found it's first accepted use.
>Nazis were literal commies because they didn't trade with anyone else
Autarky is not tantamount to Marxism, in any real form. Marxists can engage in autarky, but not everyone who engages in autarky is marxist.
I suggest you read up on some of the topics you post about. It really comes across as shilling or newfaggery when everything is completely and demonstrably wrong.
>Peek-a-boo!! :)
>Environmentalism
Yes
they purged their ideological competition.
>if nazis were socialists then how come they didn’t call it Marxism
I don’t even know where to start on that post
Personality Cult
Colectivization
Authoritarianism
Power concentrated at the top.
You don't get to choose the thieves up top.
Its exactly the same shit as everything else. Don't be fooled about muh culture/race/traditions bit. When those things impede profits, they are gonna go. Either through manipulation and disinformation or through force.
if they cared about the individual why did they dissolve unions? Without unions an individual in the workplace if he has something to complain about is left all alone vs the company which can oust him even if he is right in his complaints. Thats corporatism, thats keeping the piramid, thats the same as all the other motherfuckingpiecesofshitkikesystems.
yup, in so far that it was just another jewish ideology
No, because it was actually tried and it worked.
Your union is supposed to be your race.
They dissolved private Unions, and merged them all into the DAF(German Labour Front). Why? Simple: the Union leaders couldn't be trusted, as most of them were Social Democrat or Communist dominated.
Striking was banned. Why? Because it was disruptive to the National economy and livelihoods of everyone involved. You should also note that the following happened at the same time
>lockouts were banned
>unreasonable working conditions were severely punished
>major industry, such as large factories, were forced to undergo cleanliness procedures and had to have libraries and recreation areas (for the time this was rare and significant)
>German workers were guarenteed holidays
>unfair dismissals were banned
etc, etc. The whole point of National Socialist economics was to replace Class Warfare with Class Collaboration.
>Without unions an individual in the workplace if he has something to complain about is left all alone vs the company
The State and the DAF prevented this sort of this from happening. The only people in Germany during the Third Reich who had unreasonable working conditions that weren't related to the war (e.g Allied bombing); were undesirables such as Jews, etc.
>which can oust him even if he is right in his complaints.
No, unfair dismissals were banned, and any member of the DAF could bring the organization down on unreasonable working conditions.
> Thats corporatism, thats keeping the piramid, thats the same as all the other motherfuckingpiecesofshitkikesystems.
Lol, no. The pyramid existed, yes, because hierarchy always exists. That's nature. The difference is that the National Interest was put ahead of any arbitrary and dogmatic economic system. Germans looked after their own.