Consciousness

Is consciousness proof of the existence of a soul, or something more than just the physical? Is it proof of intelligent design?
If humans are just biological computers then why would consciousness need to exist? Does it's existence prove that we aren't just computers and that free will is real?

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Yes

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I don’t care until someone proves it

Tom Cambell
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>Is consciousness proof of the existence of a soul, or something more than just the physical? Is it proof of intelligent design?
>If humans are just biological computers then why would consciousness need to exist? Does it's existence prove that we aren't just computers and that free will is real?
The correct answer is that we don't fucking know. It's time to stop wasting time with stupid fake answers to these questions.

The real answer is I DON'T KNOW. Now move on.

This looks like some prime schizo shit but thanks user, I'm going in.

Only conciousness is fundamental, conciousness is the computer.

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>Leaf

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There is one singular consciousness, and many egos

Did you feel smart typing all that out? You are a moron

Yes, Divine Wisdom (Logos/Hermes) intermingled with Nature and created man, who is both born mortal in body, but immortal in spirit. Hermes (Logos) then gave man a piece of himself in the form of Consiousness, so that through the pursuit of gnosis he could unlock the spiritual knowledge require to finally ascend back to The One (The Ultimate Mind/God)

>Britbong
>can't into alchemy
THE FUCK YOU THINK BREXIT IS, YOU FUCKING MONG?

yes, consciousness is essentially "god" experiencing itself infinitely. time and space don't actually exist outside of our 3rd dimensional understanding of it. everything above that is defined in mathematical equations. take shrooms or acid or a combination of those and you'll learn these truths.

Consciousness is not an emergent phenomenon from matter, it is the totality of all existence. This has implications reaching politics, science, religion, and everyday life.

/ig/ Idealism General

QUICK RUNDOWN
>Dr. Godehard Bruentrup: What Is Idealism?
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>Idealism = reality is fundamentally mental, mentally constructed, or otherwise immaterial.

ENCYCLOPEDIA ENTRIES
>Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
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>Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy
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ACADEMIC ARTICLES
>The Universe in Consciousness
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>On the Plausibility of Idealism: Refuting Criticisms
philpapers.org/archive/KASOTP-3.pdf
>Idealism and the Mind-Body Problem
philpapers.org/archive/CHAIAT-11.pdf

BOOKS
>George Berkeley-Principles of Human Knowledge
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>George Berkeley-Three Dialogues between Hylas and Philonous
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>John Foster-A World For Us: The Case for Phenomenalistic Idealism
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YOUTUBE
>The Introspective Argument:
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>The Cosmic Consciousness Argument:
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>Dr. David Chalmers explains why materialism is false:
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>Why substance dualism is false:
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Shadows and Dust

How does taking acid lead to this realization?

>The Universe was created

illogical. From nothing comes nothing.

>So The One (The Ultimate Mind) created Logos

"The one" is incommensurable. The platonists would have drowned you at sea or erected a tomb with your name on it and kicked you out of their club. You literally cannot determine "The one" by "what it is". You negate it by what it is NOT. (ie "you" are NOT the one, a "tree" is NOT the one, although they are part of the principle). The "principle" is ONE.

Also it did not "create" logos. Logos is inherent to its INDETERMINABLE NATURE. THAT'S WHY YOU USE "LOGOS" TO BEGIN WITH. IT LITERALLY MEANS "TO REASON LOGICALLY". One side and another are impelled to reason or find a "middle ground". That's why there's "matter" and "form". It's a conjugate. That's why you need at least TWO bodies of "mass" to "gravitate. That's why you and me are sitting here having a discussion about what is indeterminable. Otherwise it's just "determined" and every sits at a stand still. That is omnipotence and logically so. You would know everything and do nothing because it would contradict the very nature of your "being". You are "being" and that's all there is. That's why the platonists such as Parmenides stated that it could not be distinguished what it is as opposed to what it does."The One is what the one does and that is indeterminable other than the fact that ""it does an action"". What it is is what it does. The unmoved mover.

You can call that "God" or"Not god", it literally doesn't matter because when you reify it you are WRONG regardless.

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acid will show you the connection with consciousness and god. you'll experience emotions you never thought possible and understand things about the world that aren't explainable in "reality". shrooms I think unlock unused parts of your brain, you can really delve deep into your inner consciousness and see things from many other perspectives, often from extradimensional perspectives.

>Did you feel smart typing all that out?
Four whole sentences? Oh I'm sorry would you like me to go on even though half of those sentences were questions to the OP?

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Yep I've been a Hermeticist for a long time but it's really surface level occult dogma. Considering you have an interest in truth I'd advise you to go into philosopy. Idealist greek philosophers like plato or modern ones like Hegel. See their arguments and try to square them with the knowledge you have gained so far. Texts like the corpus hermeticum have truth in them but they are old and often have dogmatic followers. Refrain from unfounded assumptions like 'humanity was gifted reason by the logos' there is truth in that but it's not anything like your (apparent) surface level understanding. Good luck traveller, know I'm being critical out of love.

There is something divine about consciousness.

It is what gives man creativity and allows us to create.

There is something to the power of the mind over matter and over experience.

All inventions are conceived in the mind before they are manifest in the physical. Same goes with goals.

Conciousness is also like a filter for the adoption of beliefs which determine our behavior.

Read a little bit about hypnotism. Very strange phenomenon but indicates there is a distinction between concious knowledge and behavior and control over oneself.

Christianity teaches self mastery. Plucking out the log in your own eye. And showing merciful judgement towards others, for the mercy by which you judge you shall recieve.

We must master ourselves. Conciousness let’s us set goals and create. The ability to choose the objective is what sets us apart from AI.

The concious observer is also the difference between wave or particle light. Wave particle duality experiments indicate that reality, the collapse of the equation, requires a concious observer, but without a concious observer, all of reality might be a probabality function. This has been proven at the wuantum level, but how this translates to the macro level is unclear.

My professor raised the point, if no one is looking at the moon, does it exist?

This is why some physicists developed the simulation theory, because the universe might only be rendered as it is observed, like maps are rendered for characters in a game.

We don’t really know what our universe, matter or consciousness is, but they are linked.

If we go backwards in time in the history of the universe before there is any concious life, what is it? Wave particle duality and the concious observer really raise a lot of questions about the nature of the universe.

NPR has some guy on talking about hallucinogenic drug use in therapy and talked about some example cases with patients.

It sounds like some patient experiences were as you described.

How do you prove these “enlightenments” aren’t just delusions or hallucinations?

And the researcher argued that it doesn’t matter if the patients beliefs after the experience are true or not, just a lot of them seemed a lot happening with life no matter their circumstance. One was a terminal cancer patient who suddenly was okay during after this high/trip from the therapy.

Shouldn’t there be a way to access the truth or self mastery without mind altering drugs?

Ok great, let me know when there’s no more ip laws since we’re all one and no idea is original

K thanks

Yes. Yoga.

This is just yet another jewish LARP (((they))) invented, a metaphysical version of their kikery:

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This entire is thread is confirmation bias. The only reason we can have this conversation is because we are conscious. Consciousness is simply a product of evolution, once we hit the tipping point of language and civilization our frontal cortexes exploded in size, this is proven through old skulls found of prenigs.

So basicly when you die you return to the one or do wander on this earth if you are not ready yet / dont want to ? (Green orb)

I don't know if it's "provable" in 3rd dimensional "proof" if that makes any sense. the only thing I learned from a trip that sort of made sense here was seeing the 3rd dimension equations that explain the higher levels and that's basically the "language" but they're infinitely complex and probably not comprehensible in our current level of consciousness. I did learn things that made me a much better or more successful person in this experience though. I had times where what I learned was almost too much, and felt like if I died right there it wouldn't matter because it's just a single point of endless "time" and the experience would just change. but other times I realized that this experience is truly a gift and as an individual it's your priority to succeed by whatever means that makes sense to you. for me, it's being wealthy, successful at my career, and having a family that continues on. I think the only other way to learn these things outside of psychedelic trips is intense meditation and years of practice.

MIDF please go

Your body is a horse. You are its rider. Your ride it as your aura. Your horse has its own instincts and desires and it is your job to train it and harness its power.

Which is fucking impossible.

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>metaphysical version

Platonism is metaphysics in the truest sense of the word as is most kinds of monism. Jews are a secularized metaphysics as are Christians, both of whom plagiarize and subvert the meanings in books. Jews in the form of translating greek without understanding the meaning behind the words and Christians in the form of bastardizing and secluding those deemed "Pagan" in the eyes of people who are dumb enough to reify god. Then you have the new age movement which is basically a culmination of both, but with even less explanations. All while using the same meaning and with stories that correlate close enough to Ancient Greek stories.

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philosophy is the highest form of humans capabillity of reason, but ability to reason will never be enough to understand fundamental questions. No important philosophical macro question has yet been answered and will never be.
Ones aim in getting in to philosophy should not be as ambitious as finding answer, but to start asking yourself questions of importance for questioning is thinking.