When AOC said that the border camps are "concentration camps" I didn't think people would defend her. But good god the left wing has hit a new low by defending her. I just understand how people can defend such a dumbass claim unironicly. CNN, left wing media, and even some politicians are defending her. Even if there were concentration camps at the border, why doesn't she make a proposal to congress to end it instead of just sitting in her apartment doing nothing? I see this as a ploy to make the trump administration to seem like nazi germany and the want nationalism to seem like fascism. I just want to know, why the hell does the left love her so much, and why does the left defend her when she says the dumbest things that are clearly false?
AOC on the border detention camps
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Who cares what this preppy cunt thinks about anything?
>End the fed
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she is in congress and people keep supporting her. She is getting paid with my tax dollars and she doesn't deserve it
They are concentration camps. But AOC is not left wing. Lenin and Stalin were left wing, AOC is the left arm of capitalism.
Its never worked, not once
bad bait
Because she's a member of Congress you fucking retard.
Its worked every time its been implemented, and still works in Cuba and North Korea. Capitalism on the other hand catastrophically fails every day.
they are concentration camps conservatives just don't want to admit it because deep down they know what they're doing is wrong and history is not on their side
>implying her being shoehorned into Congress means her opinions aren't garbage
Yeah and communism and socialism can't fail because "TrUe SoCiALiSM/COmmUnisM Has'NT BeEN TrIEd."
>posted from my Iphone at Starbucks
She’s so fucking cute. I want her so bad
True socialism was tried and it was great.
For a start, most of the technology inside iphones was invented by the state.
Id work a death camp. Where do we get hired for this joyous career?
the defintion of a concentration camp is
>Concentration camp, internment centre for political prisoners and members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security, exploitation, or punishment, usually by executive decree or military order. Persons are placed in such camps often on the basis of identification with a particular ethnic or political group rather than as individuals and without benefit either of indictment or fair trial. Concentration camps are to be distinguished from prisons interning persons lawfully convicted of civil crimes and from prisoner-of-war camps in which captured military personnel are held under the laws of war. They are also to be distinguished from refugee camps or detention and relocation centres for the temporary accommodation of large numbers of displaced persons.
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Whats on the border is whats called a migrant detention center. They exists to filter out people who are trying to come to the country illegally and legally. They're not killing people on purpose only on accident because the centers are underfunded. There meant to be temporary prisons.
give me one example of a country trying socialism and it worked out. Also the tech inside iphones were invented by the people who made the iphone not the state
That word for word describes US concentration camps. Just because they call it something different doesn't mean that's not what they are.
so your telling me that every migrant detention center in the us and even in the world are concentration camps?
USSR, Maoist China, Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea, Paris Commune, East Germany and Albania.
Most of them yes.
>members of national or minority groups who are confined for reasons of state security
>without benefit either of indictment or fair trials
user...that's literally a description of the current camps. also they're moving them to military bases so no more media access
USSR
>collapsed from the massive debt, sent people to gulags for speaking out against the state, and massive corruption
Maoist china
>Cultural revolution that destroyed thousands of pieces of Chinese history, killed anyone that spoke out against the state, and massive brain washing
Vietnam
>slowly going back to capitalism
Cuba
>will put you in a firing squad for speaking out against the state
North Korea
>will kill you and your whole family for going against the state and massive famine
Paris Commune
>They just surrendered
East Germany
>east germans fled to west germany to get out of the satellite state and the berline wall was to keep the east in the soviet sphere
Albainia
>Another soviet satellite state and albainias fled the state
thing is though, if there paper work checks out they get to leave the camp and go on with there lives
Can you just shut the fuck up,? She sanded holes in her shoes to get where she is right now. She sacrificed at least a couple hours a day to hand out flyers in a tiny neighborhood to get where she is. She spent countless hours on a national social media tour, just to show her constituents how much she cared about them. Don't you ever fucking talk about her that way ever again.
*glares at you with intimidating eyes*
DO YOU UNDERSTAND???
Anyone else want to cum on her face?
id rather stick my dick in a duck
aoc is /our spic/
concentration camps aren't death camps we've been saying this here since the /new/ days
aoc is a crypto white nationalist that wants blond aryan seed in her juicy latina spicy spic cunt
>The USSR
The USSR did not "fail" it was illegally dissolved by a coup. The people did not want the USSR gone, it was forced on them.
>China
The cultural revolution was necessary and good.
>destroyed thousands of pieces of Chinese history
What like foot binding and feudal warlords? Good.
>Vietnam
It is slowly going back to capitalism, sure. Its kind of being forced to.
>Cuba
>will put you in a firing squad for speaking out against the state
False but if you are trying to overthrow the revolution, good.
>North Korea
>will kill you and your whole family for going against the state
False, but its ironic considering Trump literally said the USA should kill the families of anyone who goes against the US state.
>They just surrendered
Not really, they were destroyed.
>east germans fled to west germany to get out of the satellite state
So? East Germany wasn't a satellite state either.
>Another soviet satellite state and albainias fled the state
So? And Albania certainly wasn't a satellite state, it left the warsaw pact.
They’ll fervently defend her when she eventually has an abortion on twitch
13 percent will vote for her next time kek
>criminal trespassers are political prisoners
Lol
>technology invented by the state
Fucking retard communist
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Individuals make stuff and the state or companies apply their ideas. Those entities are also compromised of individuals.
There is no such thing as a sole collective of people. Everything is distributed and must be distributed in order for it to function effectively.
This is why dictatorships usually fail after one generation as everything is reliant on a sole entity to know what they are doing. Decentralization allows sections of a society to operate autonomously.
>inb4 this is what communism does
As you admitted, it is in the nature of communist society to controlled by a sole state entity. How do you distribute wealth (whether that be money or not) without interrupting those autonomous sections of society?
You don't. Redistribution is not necessary as wealth will localize on sections of society experiencing growth as that is where individuals have gravitated towards naturally.
Planned economics is contrary to nature. The pattern of a communist economic system is unnatural.
I am a firm believer that the closer a pattern is to replicating nature's patterns, the more valid it is.
>multiple historians saying she's right
>Jow Forums and the right wing discarding that because it makes their fee fees hurt
How are they "trespassers"? Most of them belong there more than whites, considering a lot of them have indigenous american heritage while white americans just turned up one day, killed almost everyone and stole their land and evicted them.
>en.m.wikipedia.org
How the fuck does that disprove what I said?
I don't really get what your point is. And the economy isn't decentralized, even a free market is planned, its just planned by capitalists who own the businesses. Sure there's a market and supply and demand, but they require private property to function, and private property requires enforcement.
>it is in the nature of communist society to controlled by a sole state entity
Its centrally planned yes. Doesn't have to be by the state, in fact in communism there won't be a state. In socialism the state has a hand in central planning.
>How do you distribute wealth
By paying people the full value of their labour.
>Redistribution is not necessary
Socialism is not "redistribution". Our goal is not merely taking a capitalists Porsche and giving it to a working class person. Our goal is take the capital itself: the machines, the factories, the resources, things you need for production, and bring it under common, proletarian ownership.
>I am a firm believer that the closer a pattern is to replicating nature's patterns
Nature is dialectical. Capitalism can't account for that.
USsr
>forced upon them
people were quit happy that it ended
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>China
they destroyed artifacts like statues, religious temples, and relics of the qing dynasty
>Vietnam
they're suffering from hyper inflation right now and the only way to end it is with capitalism
>Cuba
they caused the cuban missile crisis and almost cause a nuclear war
>north korea
Literally has no human rights if your a peasant also source on trump considering that
>French commune
They were pretty bad at killing the army. The army had 170,000 soilders and the revolt had between 25,000 and 50,000 fighters. The army had 877 killed, 6,454 wounded, and 183 missing. the revolt had 6,667 confirmed dead and between 10,000 to 20,000 unconfirmed. The rebels could've won with a better strategy but they didn't really have one
>East germany and Albania
I don't think you know the difference between a puppet state and a satellite state. A puppet state is when a country has full control over another country. A satellite state is when a country has partial control over another country. They both had massive numbers of there population leave because the majority of the population didn't want to live in a communist country
Albania was able to leave the warsaw pact because they were a satellite and they had the backing of yugoslavia.
East Germany was a satellite state. If you deny that you don't know history
name one historian that is agreeing with her
One day the mark of a true patriot will be one who has choked one of you dogs with his bare hands
almost forgot, have you ever heard of the Hungarian revolution on 1956? It was a revolt in the Hungarian satellite state to get out of communism. It was put down by the soviet army and everyone in the revolt was butchered
>people keep supporting her.
Doubt
nice
>doesn't disprove
That guy is why you are posting on a phone. Nothing to do with a state invention. Maybe some government innovated at some point, but then you could make the same argument for private innovation.
>free market is planned
That is the opposite of a free market. I don't really know how to define our current system, but it is certainly has flavors of "free market".
>planned by business owners
No. They plan their business which contributes to a greater economic network, of which there should be no great centralised node. From what i remember seeing, over a few decades it ends up as clusters of nodes around certain industries or "sectors", connections being interactions between businesses. However, a very important aspect to understand is that this happens with any great plan in mind, which is changing with the whole global government run by centralised banking amongst other things.
>stateless communism
How do you ensure the removal of an exchange medium with reversal to a capital based society?
Enforcement
>exchange medium is labour
Not all labour is equal for the same work. And if you come up with a labour evaluation system, you have the same problem you are trying to avoid, worker inequality.
>the grid, the fields and the assembly line
Private ownership is ownership by the people
>I just want to know, why the hell does the left love her so much, and why does the left defend her when she says the dumbest things that are clearly false?
Because by changing the definition of a word, or expanding its meaning it changes reality. Illegal immigrant became undocumented worker.
>people were quit happy that it ended
Yeah that's why they tried to overthrow the government and reinstate it just 3 years later, and the government responded by killing nearly 200 people.
>they destroyed artifacts like statues, religious temples, and relics of the qing dynasty
Yeah, people tend to destroy relics of people who oppressed them for thousands of years.
>they're suffering from hyper inflation right now and the only way to end it is with capitalism
I know.
>they caused the cuban missile crisis
No they didn't. The USA started it by putting nuclear weapons in Turkey.
>Literally has no human rights
Wrong. You have more in North Korea than you do in The USA.
>source on trump considering that
>worldpoliticsreview.com
>They were pretty bad at killing the army.
Well they were doomed from the start. But you can't consider the merits of if a system works by whether they win or lose wars, because by those standards, capitalism has lost lots of times to socialism.
>A satellite state is when a country has partial control over another country
Yeah but East Germany wasn't controlled by the USSR. The SDP were even more socialist than the USSR was after Stalin. And Albania didn't have the backing of Yugoslavia, Tito and Hoxha hated each other.
So a true patriot sells out the working class to do the bidding of capitalists. Got you.
So?
>That guy is why you are posting on a phone
What so him alone. He sat there, mined all the components, built all the machines needed to make it, processed them, made the glass, invented touch screens, invented smaller transistors, invented SIM cards and so on, and only he could have done because he was just that smart? No.
>That is the opposite of a free market
No its not. Free markets are when capitalists basically are allowed to do whatever they want. Sure, that's "freedom" for them, but not for the working class who the capitalists survive by exploiting.
>They plan their business which contributes to a greater economic network, of which there should be no great centralised node
But there is. Capitalism doesn't work without any oversight, it wouldn't even exist. This is the thing, people talk about "oh we should have capitalism, but this flavour of capitalism!" Well you can't because you aren't a capitalist therefore you have no decision or say on what happens.
>Enforcement
Yeah, you can have enforcement without a state. I mean, if you were in communism there would no desire or need to go back to capitalism in the first place.
>if you come up with a labour evaluation system, you have the same problem you are trying to avoid, worker inequality
Worker "inequality" isn't the main problem of capitalism. Its workers not being paid what their labour is actually worth. "Profits" are worker's stolen wages.
>Private ownership is ownership by the people
No, its individual ownership, which gives that individual an enormous amount of power to exploit.
Anyone else get timed out of Jow Forums for a bit?
>Yeah, people tend to destroy relics of people who oppressed them for thousands of years.
We should keep these relics in one peace to remind people of their past and to never do it again. If you just destroy them, history will repeat
also great fucking source that requires me to subscribe and use my money to read the whole article
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>What so him alone. He sat there, mined all the components, built all the machines needed to make it, processed them, made the glass, invented touch screens, invented smaller transistors, invented SIM cards and so on, and only he could have done because he was just that smart? No.
This is an thing to answer. A company mines the all of the ores and sells them to a refining plant, then a company builds the machine that make process the materials and sells them, then we have a different company that makes glass, and then we have people that invent the technology to get touch screen, sim cards, and so on. All the companies are privately owned and all follow government regulations unless they go oversees
>produced the materials to assemble the devices
I think you need to loolup what an invention is. He invented the very architecture that made computers possible. Mobile phones are an innovation of that.
Materials come from the private companies that source it from the ground.
>mah workers did it
Employees are part if the company.
>capitalists are allowed to do what they want
Workers participate in the economy and are therefore not segregated from "capitalists".
No one is in a economically stagnant position unless they do nothing about it or regulations and taxation brackets prevent it.
>flavor of capitalism
I'm not talking about a flavor of capitalism. I'm talking about allowing people to keep the majority of what they earn so that they can invest it into their own pursuits, rather then it going back to the government only to spend it on a select few corporations and "public sevices".
>enforcement from "Workers"
Good luck. Under communism i'm going to start a new town and we will use bottlecaps as our exchange medium.
>workers paid what they are owed
How is it any different from having someone administer "the workers" that gets better treatment due to a position of authority. Oh i know, money is more flexible and gives people choices over what they get to eat.
i think the commie has left
I will add that no person anti planned economy that knows a thing or to would call that system, whatever it might be, capitalism
>detention center = concentration camp
People in NatSoc concentration camps were actually productive
no it did not work in east germany hence why people where blackmailed into spying on their neighbours .this also the reason why they had to built the wall because so many wanted to leave that shithole.
They will never be convinced that both capitalism and communism both don't really exist in reality. You just have authoritarian government with shit economic policies or you don't.
>>be spic parents
>>break the law
>>get separated
any parent who commits a crime and goes to jail will be separated from their kids
are spics exempt from following the law now?
apparently yes
People are free to leave these detention centers and return to their country of origins at any time. AOC is just so stupid, she is why Trump is winning in a landslide.
>communism worked so poorly that Stalin created a state so powerful it took the richest capitalist country in human history almost a century to bring it down and they still had to elicit the help of china
If the soviet union is communism not working then I can't even imagine what a communist state working would look like
Yeah because people were in Auschwitz for trying to get into Germany illegally.
Remember when she wanted the USA to give up ALL Airplanes?
So while Jow Forums was down I read about how saudis think palestinians are arabs and how iran has an okay economy despite sanctions, they manufacture their own automobiles, pharmacueticals, weapons, food and so on, are sligtly better educated than turkey and together with syria iraq and lebanon are starting to scare the israeli-saudi alliance more
Dumb
as
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fuckin
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And yet they didn't make the phone. It took a capitalist to put it all together into a product that people want. Really makes you think...
Fucking lol!
She's voting herself a raise too. With record deficits
Bring. On. The Civil War.
That mommy bought
She’s a young, minority socialist woman that understands pop culture. She’s a demographic magnet. That’s the reason.
She thinks fighting cowfarts is on par with fighting WWII
Her boyfriend is s faggot. She likes fags
If communism is so great, why does it never last long enough to prove how "great" it is?
ugly
>illegals count as a minority group
get the fuck out of my country
She has already been involved with proven corruption, then demands a raise while threatening more corruption if she doesnt get it!
they get trials you retard, shut the fuck up
What proven corruption?
>The only ones attack her are Jews blaming her for cheapening the holocaust
kek
so why haven't you moved to NK or Cuba?
She's a retard. Move on.
its never worked in any country. capitalism on the other hand has worked in every country.
she looks like a llama to me
Go back to Jamaica faggot and worry about your own shithole
Whats wrong with National Socialism or Fascism?
the camps on your border are nothing more than concentration camps btw
They aren't citizens you actual fucking retard.
no it doesn't, but close. the difference is that they are here illegally, therefore breaking the law, therefore they are technically in prison waiting to be deported.
typical commie doing commie things. quit spinning things to fit your narrative.
lmfao nice bait
Yeah, it worked great for the 1%
Paris commune survived 3 month lol not a good exemple based Adolf thiers by the way cleaning the trash in Paris
As a jew and a brown person and a woman and a poor person she can do or say anything she wants unless it's about gay people .
literally most people who are alive in eastern europe right now would have their basic needs better met in the soviet union
You a disgusting worthless slobbering faggot who is literally wrong about everything and doesn't understand anything. Just kill yourself already
I just want to know, why the hell does the right love Trump so much, and why does they defend him when he says the dumbest things that are clearly false?