Is marriage legit?

but how are we supposed to raise WHITE children that are functional humans?

how do you do it

this

My friend, that possibility is by and large precluded if the female population is teeming with Jezebels who have nothing to offer but the petri dish between their legs.

Marriage is great if you marry the right woman, and have the balls and spine to be the man in the relationship.

Otherwise, every day will be filled with paranoia and misery.

be emotionally mature, read tolstoy and other modernists, psychology books etc. after i matured getting girl became quite easy

thanks, one more question, where do you look for them

chat rooms, public events, parties you know places where lots of normies go, you can drag your normie friends if you find such places boring

The divorce rate has dropped to its lowest point in about 40 years.

Younger married couples are less likely to split up, but ‘gray’ divorces among older couples are on the rise

Source: National Center for Family and Marriage Research at Bowling Green University

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you have to learn to play the social game: how to look cool, how to be the king of a situation, how to put others down etc.

most people who play the social game are not aware of the rules they just act by an instict therefore you have an advantage

my normie friends are in relationships or moved to Germany, so the only option is to go alone rn.
btw what chat rooms are we talking about?

Interesting trend. I wonder if it's a side effect of empty nest syndrome, and further if the younger married couples will repeat this phenomenon as they age.

do you want to go on chatrooms out of anxiety? google low testosterone levels

Younger people are waiting longer to get married, but the marriage is much more lasting/much less likely to end up in divorce.

Median age for male getting married: 29
Median age for women getting married: 27

Couples are more likely to be living with each other for at least a year before getting married.

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>Is marriage legit?
Yes
>Know a bunch of men who went through divorce rape...
How many of them were not degenerates

nah, just curious what chatrooms even exist
fuck it bro, im gonna dress out and go out today, i still have time

>Marrying a paleoid bitch....

It's like you want to give half your paycheck on purpose. Marry a Latina.

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It is because there is no social pressure to get married
People who would have gotten a divorce in the past are just noting getting married now

>commie memeflag
>expect anyone to take them seriously

Not anymore. It used to be, but not anymore.

Waiting for robowaifus

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Marriage is biblical

>Marrying a Latina
Based and Redpilled

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Yes? And it's been subverted by the princes of the air, much like God's rainbow. What's your point?

Why would any father give his daughter to a man not willing to marry her?

Why would any father trick his son into marrying an untrustworthy whore?

>your fault if you marry the wrong person
Except for all the women who completely fucking change mentally and physically the second they’re married

Where did I say he would?

1...

Yes, it's legit. You have to find the right person though.

It's also more difficult today because people seemingly have more sexual options thanks to online dating. Most people 40-60 years ago got married when they were young. They usually grew up together, got married out of high school, and experienced success or financial failure together. Marriage was a union before God and a celebration of life (children) to come.

Now marriage is a celebration of what has already been accomplished. No woman with any sense is marrying a man unless he's pulling more than his own weight. It takes time though for men to develop the traits to become successful in the workforce since they are not nearly as educated as women.

>women who completely fucking change mentally This doesnt happen
These men just ignored the warning signs

You're sure implying it, tricking men into a very raw deal.

The Shame Game.

When you marry one of these whores, you marry the (((State))). Remember that. You completely give up your male sovereignty. She now owns you and will collude with the (((State))) to rob you of your home; your kids and your sanity.

When you marry one of these whores, you marry Facebook; Cosmo and Grey's Anatomy. You marry every form of (((influence))) that she is constantly under. You constantly have to fight that tide of influence.

These TradCucks all sell this song and dance about how they're strong men and shape their women. In reality, they are KEKS and "Yes Dear" to every little fucking thing she says. They are men without souls. If they so much as exercise one ounce of authority over their whore wife, she'll simply call the State and have him thrown in prison. She'll shame him on social media and turn the entire community against him. This is base Gynocentrism. Cuck men will always side with women, no matter how big a lie women tell.

2....

While waiting for men to figure things out on their own, women do their own thing as well, and increase their own financial opportunities. They are also engaging in sex with multiple partners and effectively hurting their ability to pair bond with a man in marriage.

All of this makes marriage a less likely option for the average man. You either have to be very and not have anything to lose in a divorce or be very wealthy and not miss a few million dollars when you're wife inevitably divorces you. For your average man, getting married can wipe out 10-20 years of savings and your life. You might as well blow your fucking brains out.

>How many of them were not degenerates
The men were all middle class and white. Not degenerated at all. However, one woman (white) cheated several times and the other woman (asian) gambled away the husband's savings.

I never said anything about marrying a low quality woman

The nice family and white picket fence sound nice but the reality isn’t worth it.

>Not degenerated at all.
Where they virgins on their wedding night?

Well have fun with that literal fucking coin toss then, considering the numbers are at roughly 50/50 for a failed marriage and upwards of 80% of said failed marriages being caused by the woman.

if it lasts its the greatest, if divorced life is over

>Well have fun with that literal fucking coin toss then
Divorce is not a random act

cant we just learn russian or something and pick up a young virgin blonde russian farm girl?

>Except for all the women who completely fucking change mentally and physically the second they’re married

Any married man knows this. That's why you know these threads are filled with virgin KEKS who have no idea how a long term relationship with a woman turns out.

Women always change. They turn into these fucking whining manipulative beasts by the end. The only way to change that is to give up complete control of the marriage and become a huge KEK. These guys who crow about being married for 30 years are nothing more than castrated cucks. They are "Yes Dear" Robots who have zero male sovereignty. I've seen thousands of these guys. Deep down, they simply fear being alone and so they choose cuckoldry. And, then in public forums they fantasize about how they're "Strong Men". "Yes, my fellow Cucks. Strong men know how to handle Single Mothers!"

The task of "Shaping The Modern Female" into some kind of wife material is near impossible unless you start with an 18-year old straight off a strong family with a strong father.

We all know these threads are started by Roastie Toastie Whores.

Neither are statistics.

I don't think so. They were no womanizer but not inexperienced on the other hand.

What is your point?

>I don't think so
Fornication is a wicked sin

Take the risk at your own peril, stop shaming others to jump off the cliff with you.

It is not a risk if you know what you are doing
People that get divorced failed

I found that if I competed within a space that I respected, that women found me interesting and came to speak with me. The key is to choose the woman who competes as well. That way you can be sure she can see more to you than just your resources and status. You must discriminate between women who are merely female nature and women who have something on top of it that can create a bond.

They don't just magically change. There's always signs before that you men chose to ignore. Just like women do with bad boys etc.

If you keep getting into bad relationships then that's a sign that there's something wrong with your preferences in the people's personalities that you are choosing.

You're an idiot, my dude.

It might be worth the risk or the cost of divirce rape if you have kids.

Once you marry, you have to actively still work and maintain features that your wife finds attractive. This usually involves brainless spending on material status symbols, working hard continually increaing your income, maintaining a healthy weight and fitness level. Don’t expect a woman’s attraction to stay with you if you want a simple minimalist life.

Once married you will have to consider the things that make your wife attracted to you, and make dedicate time to those things. If you don’t, her attraction will dry up, and she’ll become repulsed and see you as weak.

It doesn’t matter what level of success you have achieved. Even Jeff Bezos is seperating his wife.

Even Justin Bieber has relationship problems.

One of the keys is being able to ignore the girl sometimes, reject her neediness, and put yourself first. Example would be going to the gym when your girls says come home.

What happens is that even high status men cave to every request the woman makes for attention. Even though she asks for it, that becomes unattractive to her.

Divorce does not just happen to good people
It only happens to people that dont want to make their marriage work

>Divorce does not just happen to good people
Now I know for a fact you're just shitposting and not actually interested in any type of conversation.

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Where are all of these good people getting divorced?

>80% of said failed marriages being caused by the woman.

Newfags still don't bother to learn about Female Hypergamy. You boys have to know that women are always looking to Trade Up. This is wired into their DNA. The modern (((State))) is designed to promote this Female Hypergamy. Completely deplete men of their resources and redistribute this into Female Hypergamy. This in turn, all this wealth and resources gets redistributed into (((Them))) because women are simple to control with a State body (Women always follow the Hive Mind)

A strong State is a Patriarchy with the foundation of a family unit. But more so, with a strong State that SUPPORTS men in their endeavor to raise a family. The modern State is designed to Rape men; to rob them of everything including their divine rights. The modern State is Designed to turn men into C\_/ CK5. You're not a Kück are you user? Not a fucking Cūck like the mods of this site.

You can certainly move to Russia or anywhere in the world. It's not like the United States though. You can't just show up at the border with measles and demand things from citizens and hurl racist accusations at the native population until you get what you want. You have to instead jump through hoops to become a citizen or you will be arrested and imprisoned for being their illegally.

Putting others down to make yourself look/feel better is a weak tactic for insecure faggots.

so theyll hassle someone of european descent, yet theyll let shitskins in no problem and give them free vodka (yes even russia, because jews control all world governments)

This is pretty much what I was alluding to without saying so much. I know there are women on here who read these posts and I didn't want to be another one of those guys condemning women and the hypergamy that is obviously wired into them. It's sort of like condemning ugly rich men for wanting a hot wife. If being rich gets him a hot wife, then more power to him. And if a woman can get a rich husband, then more power to her.

Women dont leave happy marriages

For the most part, marriage nowadays seldom benefit men
Most importantly, the quantity of women worth marrying is going down while the quality of women in general is mostly shit
If you have to marry someone, make sure she is 100% against any feminist ideology or believe in the “men and women are the same” bullshit, otherwise yes, it’s divorce rape in the waiting
Also if she had 2 or more partners in the past, your marriage is already screwed

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do you think the girl in your pic is worth marrying? shes very kawaii

>Also if she had 2 or more partners in the past,
More important they need realize what they did was wrong and not try and justify it by saying it was in a "long term committed relationship"

>Once you marry, you have to actively still work and maintain features that your wife finds attractive.

There is truth here but it always makes men understand that constant uphill battle of Female Hypergamy. If you are doing all this work to make more wealth; give her more trinkets; be more appealing and one-up the other men she interacts with.....well, you realize how fucking exhausting it can be.

You begin to think that perhaps, you could pour that energy into yourself instead of her constant demand schedule.

A guy could be a bachelor and still work out and build wealth but at a much slower rate, just enough to Pump and Dump. The young fluffy whore he meets on Friday is cum deposited by Saturday morning and forgotten by Monday. On the other hand, his would-be wife holds every failure over his head for life and constantly demands more (which, hint hint, will never be enough).

There's nothing wrong with building yourself up. Just don't do it for the promise of a woman because women are not worth jack fucking shit. They are DESIGNED by DNA to extract resources from men. Their very existence is to suck men dry of everything they acquire.

>A guy could be a bachelor and still work out and build wealth but at a much slower rate, just enough to Pump and Dump.
That would make him a whoremonger

You sound like me 5 years ago, now I'm divorced. Good luck on your marriage kid. I hope it endures.

>If being rich gets him a hot wife, then more power to him. And if a woman can get a rich husband, then more power to her.

The libertarian approach fails in the long term. The only "thread" of a strong society is a strong family. Founders of strong nation know this. That is why "marriage" is practically forced on a young nation and women are treated like property and shamed to near death for exiting a marriage.

That is why (((they))) work tirelessly to destroy the family unit through degeneracy and feminism.

Jews are the scapegoats. Anglo-Saxon elites are the real culprits of all this bullshit. They want more wealth and control over people and don't give a fuck if a bunch of average White people mix with the degenerates of the world.

Your country is no longer White. It's not Black. It's not Jewish. It's not Christian. It's fucking nothing and belongs to nobody. Who the hell would fight and die for a country that belongs to everybody? Mass immigration is designed to eliminate identity and remove your willingness to fight against the British elite who still control the west to this day.

>Women dont leave happy marriages
>Happy
>happy marriage

Her being happy or you being happy?

The mistake you make is in thinking both people are happy. The reality is that there in only one happy person in a marriage and the other person is a Kück or slave.

You should both have the same goals before you marry

>when you become a cuck

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Right off the batt:
No, she’s a career woman. And she’s past 25, god knows what her personal life is like in her 20s

A woman who had her career together is by no means marriable material. Can she cook? Can she clean? Is she still a good option to have kids with?
A man who doesn’t have his career together though, is also a terrible choice to be married to because he won’t be able to raise a proper family
This is the whole point of why the world is upside down. We look at what’s a successful marker for man and apply the same to women when in fact it’s the opposite. Men and women are different.
Lastly, she’s cute but I wouldn’t even want to have casual sex with her because she might be crazy or stupid. Be very careful who you sleep with.

Chad faggot

Join an older society then. Plenty of trad boomers want to marry off their femcel daughters.

>Also if she had 2 or more partners in the past, your marriage is already screwed

Other indications you should 'not even bother' the long arduous task of shaping wife material.

>She has tattoos (Basically says "I'm Damaged")
>She has hair that is one of the colors in the Skiittles bag (Automatism. She is like a snake saying, "I'm Toxic")
>She berates her Father for "not being there"
>Thinks her mother is a Hero for voting for Hillary Clinton
>She has insecurity issues
>Posts on social media to get likes
>Changes hair color more often than once every three years
>Thinks Africans are the same as Europeans
>Thinks we need to feed Africa and it will solve hunger
>She has feminist girlfriends
>Tells you how she heard, "Other couples are doing this thing"
>Watches (((TV Shows))) like Grey's Anatomy or Orange is the New Black
>Has no hobbies; no interests; no ambition and no curiosity....but instead states, "I just like being with you" (aka: I just want your security and wealth. I don't see anything in you past that).

>That would make him a whoremonger

Funny how women are told to play the field and "Find themselves" in the span of their life whereas men are told to "Man Up" and take responsibility for said women who squander everything they had.

Do you know why we have these threads every day? It's because we have literally MILLIONS of roastie whores who fucked and sucked their entire value and now there is suddenly no supply of Beta Providers as they were promised. An entire generation lost.

The Panic is Real. Get ready for the Roastie Suicides.

Show flag or fuck off.

>You should both have the same goals before you marry

It doesn't work like that. The only woman you marry is one who is completely subservient. Women don't have goals. They only have an endless lust for resources; security and wealth. Her only goal is to turn you into an ATM machine that spits out money. Your only goal is to shape her into proper wife material so she doesn't drain your male spirit.

Like I said, one person will be the Slave or Kück. Since it's the man who is forced to earn the money and resources, it's obviously the woman who will be the slave.

Otherwise, there is literally no fucking reason to get married. It's like voluntarily going to the nearest prison and shouting over the chain link fence, "Let me in!"

Marriage being “Worth it” is subjective and depends on the context. If you are looking for individual “happiness”, it is rarely worth it (50% divorce rate annually, 96% rate longitudinally), and those who stay married are seldom happy or satisfied for a multitude of reasons.
If you are looking at this as a civilizational issue, it’s the only thing that matters: your kind being the majority and doing what it takes to outbreed the heathens destrying your society.
Very few can do this well, and many who can, don’t.
My personal experience is rare and I am lucky. Married young to a younger wife, 3 kids, make a ton of money as a professional so my wife can stay home and tend the home. THIS DID NOT COME EASY AND WHAT I HAVE WAS THREATENED INTERNALLY OFTEN. We were both from the bay area, wife hypergamous, commie indoctrination on both our parts. Lucky part for me was 6’3”, blonde, blue, ripped and started out as a popular musician that you’ve heard. Even with that, she started testing me with shit about 4 years after we married, throwing tantrums and general boundary crossing shit. Eventually called her out, gently showed her what she was forgetting (Most women want me, and if she kept up her shit, options for me are more plentiful for what I want, I can spend my time, money and attention elsewhere, don’t give a fuck if we get divorced). She straightened up with a firm hand is as happy as a clam with three beautiful children and she is more conservative in her understanding of the world around her and we are on 20 years of marriage.
It was a pain in the ass, but I have what I want. Could have broken me.
The one thing I take away from this is never concede to the hypergamy. Walk if you need to, as she’ll only respect you if you respect yourself when it comes to her or anyone.
Life is lonely as a man. The world gives you no quarter, and there’s no comfort other than what you make and women only respect power. If you lose it, move on.

>parents divorced when I was 13.
>First marriage, 11yrs together perfectly happy, marriage completely changed her, divorced 18 months later.
Second marriage - kek no.
Been with her 15yrs, got two great kids, she got a nice ring and my surname but no certificate.
A solid relationship doesn't need to be cemented in law with a useless contract, it's a scam and it'll likely change your woman. My advice is go no further than engagement but get her a NICE ring.

>A man who doesn’t have his career together though, is also a terrible choice to be married to because he won’t be able to raise a proper family.

This is why young men give up and play Vidya. You have a (((State))) that puts a turbo fan behind women in the form of grants; loans; apprenticeships; special female non-profits; female biased laws; etc.

At the same time the State gives men NOTHING but a stern lesson on "Man Up Son!"

And yet.....incredulously, these fucking Roastie Cunts come in here and still try that "Man Up" approach to see if they can find an ATM machine here in the Chans. Men are still expected to Provider and be Strong Fathers even though the (((State))) works day and night to cripple male sovereignty .

>started out as a popular musician that you’ve heard

...for some reason I envisioned a member of the Red Hot Chili Peppers posting here in the Chans.

>Eh, could happen of course.

Bay area, not LA. Didn’t sell as many units, but probably more respected.

Not worth the risk right now.

Why do you need marriage anyway? All she needs to do is cook every day, else you split.
Prototip: never get married to a woman who doesn't cooks every day.

Ah shit, definitely Les Claypool then.

Makes sense.

calculating divorce without counting marriages isn't complete picture.

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You need to marry a homebody or a nerd. My wife is a nerd. She cooks, buys groceries and makes the household run smoothly. She adores our kids and works so we can keep them out of the cancerous public school system. Men foolishly chase the worst kind of women because they are programmed by Jews to lust after trash. Nerds and homebodies are sexy, cute and smart.

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