I've heard arguments saying zyklon b would have been a really expensive and inefficient way to kill (((millions))) of jews, so it probably wasn't done that way. Or so I've heard.
I actually work in an industry that uses cyanide in massive quantities and am familiar with the dangers it poses when it gases off. Even very small concentrations in the air are fatal (although it takes like 10 minutes to fully die). So it seems pretty efficient to me.
Is there some other gas that would have been more efficient to holocaust with? Hydrogen cyanide is not a complicated or expensive compound to produce. Probably cheaper than bullets, honestly. So are the "Zyklon B is inefficient" arguments bogus or is there something I'm missing?
Zyklon B was used to kill insects not poeple. Because of the low supply by allied bombing alot of insects showed up and Zyklon B was used to exterminate them. So in other words a Turkish holocaust.
Nathan Howard
iron poison would have been far more cost effective and quicker
zyklon B was just a delousing to reduce the spread of disease in the summer camps.
Brody Hill
It would be most efficient to just kill them with machines. Like the pneumatic pistons that puncture a cow's skull and kill it instantly. No chemicals, bullets, are consumed. You just need a source of power for the air compressor. That is how you do efficiency.
Nazi Germany was the world leader in chemistry and had large stockpiles of battlefield grade lethal poison gasses and nerve agents. You'd think some of that would be used for the ultra important jew killing plan rather than an ad hoc arrangement using pesticides and diesel engine exhaust. Its yet another example of how the holohoax legend collapses upon further reflection.
Nathan Peterson
I feel likw you're mangling two arguments together here. The allies bombing supply lines is part of the 'they starved to death' argument. Why would less supply mean more bugs and more access to zyklon b?
Kayden Smith
>Is there some other gas that would have been more efficient to holocaust with?
Dig ditches in the woods Tie prisoner's hands, dump them in Bulldoze dirt on top of them
Jeremiah Ward
Because of the poor conditions alot of Head lices showed up.
Yeah, you could bolt gun each fag as they stepped off the trains and into the designated killing zone, and almost zero time would be wasted, and if you did it this way the bodies wouldn't have to all be constantly relocated away from the showers. Compared to having them all pass through prison intake and be looked after until Yahweh decides it's time to execute them together in a communal gas chamber, it's just obvious the whole story is a fuckin' joke. Not to mention, gassing a large group of people is an unreliable way to kill them and there would surely be survivors on the floor who need to be finished off after every execution.
Low supply means less zyklon b shipments and a general collapse of hygiene. Most concentration camps were not death camps with gas chambers according to the official history. Yet many of those camps liberated at the end of the war had large outbreaks of typhus. Some outbreaks like at bergen belsen killed inmates for months after liberation by the allies.
Julian Diaz
Came across this footnote the other day. I had no idea the US was using the stuff at the border. (The End of the Myth, 2019, Grandin)
this is a good point, but also not. plenty of weapon's grade gases would have been available to germany. but you don't need weapon's grade stuff to kill people in your own camps. zyklon b really was for delousing, but it also would have been really good at killing people. and probably cheaper than whatever fancy shit they were using for war.
maybe they would have developed a gas specifically for exterminating the jews if that was their goal, but they also maybe didn't need to. since an existing extermination chemical worked equally well on humans as on lice.
bingo. see ya at SME bud.
Angel Brown
Starvation. Costs nothing, youre creating even assets by doing so, especially in wartimes, but germans are retarded. Lol.
Jaxson Gomez
Cyanide is used to recover gold from crushed ore, and\or crushed and incinerated electronics (computer equipment). Cyanide formes an Au(CN)2 complex which floats upon a water solution and os skimmed off the top. It is also used to recover gold by what is known as "heap leeching".
A third method, refered to as "Hebe leeching", involves the HCN gassification of jews, followed by manual removal of teeth with plyers, or the more efficient method of incineration and sluicing of the ash for the gold residuals.
Jayden Cruz
Thank
Justin Lopez
C02, and Carbon Monoxide, which could be produced by burning things, in say a giant oven.
Jackson Collins
>So are the "Zyklon B is inefficient" arguments bogus or is there something I'm missing? It’s pretty much bogus, the most convincig revisionist argument, the Leuchter report got debunked in court, its writer even outright admitted that he fucked up the calculations regarding the amount of possible bodies to be burned.
Zyklon b in a insecticide. Period. If they want only killing they used something else. Other thing is debatable. Bunch of stores of surviving in gas chambers shlomo and typos makes you think. Too many coincidence
And the diesel exhaust? Lets not forget the even more outlandish yet accepted parts of the holocaust narrative simply because modern audiences are more aware of the absurdities. Look user, zyklon b is about the worst thing available to the nazis for mass killing in the numbers and in the time period suggested. They had any number of more efficient and safer methods for mass murder. At some point the contradiction of the holocaust story bring the whole myth into question. It cant be at once a brutally efficient and highly organized plan and at the same time be a giant clusterfuck with different shit going on at every camp. Ultimately the official story of what happened is simply wrong.
Blake Powell
Nah not for large groups, did a stint in a slaughter house. They figured it was more efficient to gas them. One of the reasons is because pigs can panic when you try to separate them. So they lead them in groups into a chamber that closed around them, then cheap C02 slowly put them to sleep and eventually killed them.
Christopher Morris
yes it is an insecticide. yes it kills people efficiently. there are some poisons that are more selective for insect than for humans, but hydrogen cyanide is not one of them.
Luis Johnson
>The allies bombing supply lines is part of the 'they starved to death' argument. Supply lines carry more than food.
Noah Perry
the most efficient way by far would be to just inject everyone with air (ie give them an air embolism). Surely the germans would have known this.
Aaron Jenkins
Carbon monoxide -- have coal distillation.
Gas the Jews, end up with coke and manufactured gas for the crematorium and creosote for creosote.
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Liam Reyes
To quote OP: >I actually work in an industry that uses cyanide in massive quantities and am familiar with the dangers it poses when it gases off. Even very small concentrations in the air are fatal (although it takes like 10 minutes to fully die). So it seems pretty efficient to me. According to the official narrative, they didn’t intend to exterminate the Jews until 1941/42, so using Zyklon B which was quite available and worked faster for killing people than for delousing was a good solution.
Hudson Kelly
i'm not debating whether the holocaust was a lie. it is. it's millions of really sloppy lies. but when the supply lines got cut and the germans needed to drop some dead weight, the gas thing could have made sense.
i assure you hydrogen cyanide would kill masses of people with great efficiency, even if it was not the most efficient possible thing. also as far as gases go, pretty cheap and simple to produce.
these ideas seem feasible to me as well. hell, you could just lock them in an airtight room and smoke them to death. but I mean, they already had a bunch of these delousing canisters on hand. at one or two canisters per room of people, that's pretty efficient too. maybe not 6 gorillion efficient, but efficient.
Ayden Butler
Yeah, nitrogen. You could just pump it in, everyone suffocates, you pump it out and reuse it.
William Green
Stick to the "das Grosse Luge" (The Big Lie) narrative buddy. Zyklon B, rollercoaster crematorium, hall of knives, etc.
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself. "War Propaganda", in volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925), by Adolf Hitler
I wonder what they could have burned in giant ovens, to produce CO2 and CO for further extermination?
Brandon Nguyen
>Invesitage the various points made in this thread or >Wait for the french jew to show up
Though choice
Blake Harris
>pretty cheap and simple to produce. And also in demand high demand outside of gassing kikes. Ofc bullets are even cheaper and easier to produce yet also in high demand. The germans could have used many things to kill jews if they wanted to. You asked about efficiency. Zyklon b was in fact not efficient for the german to use considered their other options. They had options. As for the supply line issue. The gassing ended in late 44 going by the official story. They weren't gassing kikes right up until the allied tanks crashed down the gates. The supply problems didn't become a problem until late 44 when allied and soviet airbases were right on the german border and the skies were filled 24/7 with fighters and bombers.
supposed gassing ended before supply lines cut this is good to know. thanks user
Kayden Turner
>yes it kills people efficiently. you keep repeating this but you never once mention concentrations, why is that? rhetorical question, I know the answer and you're just another cutdick brain damaged lying nigger. NO ONE WAS GASSED TO DEATH IN THE CAMPS NOT ONE AUTOPSY REPORT WAS MADE THAT STATED THIS THERE WERE NO ORDERS TO EXTERMINATE ANYONE IN THE CAMPS THE WW2 HOLOCAUST HAPPENED IN CITIES THAT WERE FIREBOMED FUCK YOU FUCK YOUR LIES FUCK YOUR LIFE
Jack Torres
because most people are already somewhat aware of how deadly cyanide is. its fair to ask for numbers though.
a quick google search pulled up this. they say 524 ppm. other places I've heard 300 ppm. at work the alarms start going off at like a tenth of this.
Evan Adams
Why didn't the Nazis just gather all the Jews onto an open field and then just drop a big bomb on them? Wouldn't that have been easier or am I retarded?
Zachary Morales
1. how keep them in the blast zone without endangering your own people 2. big bombs are not actually that cheap 3. waste of a perfectly good 2 square miles of field
Chase Myers
Ok why not just dig a really deep hole and then push them all into it? Like the 300 movie?
Or a hole deep enough and just pour some gasoline and throw a match down there?
John Powell
Bombs aren't actually very good at killing people. You have to hit REALLY close, even having a person between you and the blast is enough to keep you alive.
William Perez
Isn’t it the sabbath or some shit? Using an electronic device is like starting a fire: strictly off limits for a good little Ezra.
Joshua Butler
Isn’t it the sabbath or some shit? Using an electronic device is like starting a fire: strictly off limits for a good little Ezra.
good luck suffocating 50 jews on their own pulmonary excrement when WOODEN DOORS.
still, this could be done. great idea for the next holocaust.
Logan Anderson
the easiest way to kill kikes would be to simply cut their throat on the spot. just like sand niggers kill their enemies. it's efficient and cheap as fuck. then just put the dead bodies on the truck and move it to some mass grave site. it's an easy peasy operation. even a child could pull that off. thinking that germans couldn't kill all kikes in less then a couple of months of they actually wanted it is retarded.
Angel Ward
german girls actually used the scent of their cute, pale feet to gas jews.
Mexicans were gassed daily with zyklon b and none of them died, but a Jew catches one whiff and just drops dead! Maybe jews are allergic or something idk npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5176177
It's not made very clear in the article, but if you read it carefully you'll see that the mexicans had to strip their clothes off, and it was actually just the clothes that were treated with zyklon b.
It would not have been possible to delouse the clothes with the people still in them and have anyone survive. The concentrations in the air necessary for delousing are apparently even higher than those needed to kill humans.
Adrian Clark
Excuse me user I have have a question. How would someone go about getting a hold of cyanide? I would never do it but was wondering if it's possible?
Xavier Carter
and which reputable slaughterhouse might this have been?
Hunter Bennett
>I actually work in an industry that uses cyanide in massive quantities and am familiar with the dangers it poses when it gases
I'm german so all i can say is that: Apparently it was at least effective to decontaminate clothing of new arrivals regarding Typhus This is from the Hygiene Institute of the 3rd Reich >pic related Explaining how to use it once the discarded clothes have been put into a gas chamber >inb4 "gas chamber?" Yes, they called the buildings gas chambers because they were using gas to decontaminate clothing. In that official book they also go into detail on what Zyklon B should be replaced with so whenever a chamber full of contaminated clothes has been treated with Zyklon B, People don't have to wait almost a whole day until they can carry the clothing out. Book is from 1943 by the way and it also goes into detail of side effects each gas can have and what to do if a guard or prisoner starts showing signs of having been affected by leftover gas
Here for example the topic is: >"Working Rules for the Gassing of Buildings, Huts etc. with Zyklon" And on the right side it explains how much gram of Zyklon B needs to be used for what kind of contamination
Whats inefficient about it is The idiotic holocaust myth says you just hauled their asses 100s of miles through partisan infested Russian steppes when you could have just SHOT THEM WITH A 2 DOLLAR BULLET and be done with it.
Matthew Davis
a legitimate criticism.
i know i joked about it earlier, but it does seem the wooden doors thing is at least debatable though. pic related
Another Gas that is talked about much in the Book is a so-called >T-Gas And on this page it shows a graphic showing what happens with contaminated clothing after arriving in a camp Apparently the gassing room with the clothes needs a total of 48 hours per gassing, that's not 48 hours of gassing, but 1-2 days before the registered gassing, lots of bureaucracy stuff, announcement, registering who is responsible for the gassing, what kind of contamination, the time it takes after the gassing to air the chamber out and so on
The Germans had around 10,000 tons of sarin nerve gas stockpiled. So why didn't they use that?
Because it wasn't found out about until after the war and the people who manufactured the Holohoax story didn't know about it. By the time they did know, it was too late to change the narrative.
Eli Foster
Zyklon B poured out n people is a preposterous, Ruve Goldberg way of killing people. It would take days for the HCN to outgass from the pellets and the concentrations in the air would be climbing the s whole time, meaning the room would have to remain full of people for days or longer.
If they wanted to use Zyklon B, why not just pour a can of it into the water supply?
Levi Miller
Okay, thank you my friend t. ice man Richard kuklinski
Logan Martin
And for those curious what it looked like putting clothes into the gas chamber for de-contamination >pic related also shows the job of the mysterious "Kapo" working at the chamber
The breakdown of the supply chain towards the end of the war. According to a US Army report I once found, more people died in Dachau in the last seven months than in the previous 12 years combined.
Also, the camps were more or less managed by the inmates in terms of food distribution. This prisoner self-administration was called Sonderkommando (special command). Allied soldiers who first entered the camps said that as well as the emaciated, they saw prisoners who were as well fed as any soldier.
I was a death camp guard, no joke. One of the most horrific parts of my job was I used to grease the holocoaster rails with human (jew) fat every morning and then bring what I had left over to the soap factory. But in all seriousness when I got done with that every morning this was the rest of my routine: >Unload jews from trains >Separate the able-bodied from those marked for death in the chambers >Bring those chosen to die to their dormitories >Make sure they are comfortable because it can take a while to book a spot for them in the gas chambers >Gather up jews that are sentenced to die by gassing that day >Make sure none are walking backwards >Herd them into gas chamber >Crank up the Zyklon >Masturbate to the kvetching and screams >Reopen the chamber >Remove bodies by hand, trying not to get covered in shit from them shitting themselves as they die etc. >Load them in truck >Bring them to crematorium >Burn the bodies real quick >Load ashes in truck >Bring over to pit >Dump ashes in sifting machine to get gold tooth fillings etc. and dump what's left over in pit >Lunch break (usually sausage made from jew flesh and a tall glass of jew blood) >Head over to pit where ashes from previous day's gassings and cremations were buried >Dig them up because we got reports that the Allies are closing in and they're going to crush our balls and starve us if they find out what we're up to >Truck the ashes out to undisclosed location in the woods >Work on digging some pits there for a while >Rebury the ashes we brought with us >Head back to camp guard housing barracks singing anti-Semitic songs
Those were the days lads. A hell of a time to be alive, the only thing I think it could compare to would be being a hippie in the 1960s.
It takes upwards of 20,000 ppm for hours to delouse things. Maybe 1000 ppm to make sure a bunch of rats die is nothing. >Inb4 Bugs are more resistant to HCN than Jews
Liam Flores
If the room was airtight enough to stop the cyanide gas from leaking out, it was airtight enogh to suffocate them
Much easier and cheaper.
Joseph Parker
>since an existing extermination chemical worked equally well on humans as on lice Look into that and awaken yourself
Jackson Barnes
Here is what happens to new arrivals while their clothing has been put into the chamber for decontamination gassing with Zyklon, ore hygiene related actions to prevent diseases being brought into the camp >pic related
Someone redpill me on the claim that Hitler ordered what became known as the "The Final Solution". Is there evidence? What evidence is claimed about it?
>Zyklon B... worked faster for killing people than for delousing Say what?
Owen Campbell
Check out my posts in this thread with scans from the official 1943 Hygiene manual for concentration camps. >pic related showing what gasses to use for what kind of contamination/insect >Zyklon B is only used for lice and cockroaches according to this And as everybody knows, lice have been a problem throughout the Eastern Front, so Zyklon B was used almost everywhere including Soldier quarters and barracks
no you. it takes a very small amount of cyanide to kill a person, ESPECIALLY when it's inhaled. I already provided a source on that. if you know something I don't, you have to actually tell it to me.
this is the first I've heard of the sarin gas. again, it might have been cheaper to use non-weapon's grade stuff, but you make a good point that the jews came up with the story before they knew about the sarin.
Robert Kelly
David Irving says "no".
Brody Miller
Zyklon-b is actually good for you. It stimulates the money making part of the brain. So, if you want to get rich quick just seal up your house and crack open a refreshing can of zyklon-b.
I misunderstood you. I thought you were referring to Zyklon B not Cyanide. Sorry user
Aaron White
Interesting the name on this document: Obersturmführer Kurt Gerstein.
Gerstein was the one who signed a "confession" admitting that 25 million Jews had been killed. Later Gerstein "committed suicide".
An Obersturmführer is equivalent to a lieutenant. A mere lieutenant is in charge of Zyklon B procurement for all concentration camps? What?
Hmmm.... Of course this document is totally legit and couldn't possibly be a fabrication.
Hunter Carter
Sorry, but whatever the truth is: it will never come out as long as you are the western hegemon and your system controls Europe. Maybe the Chinese might write a factual history of WW2 and the holocaust some day, but I think they'd likely write what they think gives them the most in a bargain.
Lincoln Ross
zyklon b is hydrogen cyanide, a gaseous and acidic form of cyanide.
Probably the most respected Holohoax historian, Raul Hilberg, admitted under oath at the Ernst Zündel trial in Canada that no explicit order was ever found. Hilberg's explanation?: "Everybody just knew."
