There is a lot of struggle ahead of us. But no matter what, as long as we can give our numbers a boost and hold out just a little bit longer, it doesn't matter how fucked our countries become, we will have a future beyond earth and WE WILL survive.
Plan for the worst, hope for the best. No one here is advocating that we abandon earth to the brown horde without a fight, simply /etm/ is about recognizing that we must consider the possibility of our future elsewhere. Either we win here and are able to spread outwards and cause our civilization to undergo a rebirth or we will at least be prepared enough to have /ourguys/ out there to increase the chance of our survival in the long haul.
Welcome to /etm/. This is a place on Jow Forums to discuss everything space related. I normally post the general once a week every saturday between 8pm to 10pm UK time. Please try to ignore the flat-earth fags.
>Recommended Reading The Case For Mars, Robert Zubrin. The High Frontier by Gerard O'Neill. Colonies in Space, by T. A. Heppenheimer. Rocket Propulsion Elements, Sutton. Aerothermodynamics of Gas Turbine and Rocket Propulsion, Gordon Coates. Space Mission Engineering, the new SMAD, Wiley, ed. Fundamentals of Astrodynamics, Bates, etc. International Reference Guide to Space Launch Systems, Steve Isakowitz. Mining the Sky, John Lewis. Rain of Iron and Ice, John Lewis. We Seven: By the Astronauts Themselves. Voices from the Moon, Andrew Chaikin. The Millennial Project, Marshall Savage. Modern Engineering for Design of Liquid Propellant Rocket Engines, David H. Huang. Mars trilogy, Kim Robinson The Martian Way, Isaac Asimov Foundation Trilogy, Isaac Asimov The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, Heinlein
>Either we win here and are able to spread outwards and cause our civilization to undergo a rebirth or we will at least be prepared enough to have /ourguys/ out there to increase the chance of our survival in the long haul.
Evening OP! Good new this week, I finally joined the Mars Society!! not much happened so far but i've emailed the newly formed London branch about any upcoming meetings and events, hopefully they'll get back to me and will be able to share details next thread. Feels good man
And cool my comment about how we aren't abandoning the earth made it into the OP
Nicholas Clark
OP here. Phone posting rn
Evening m8 >Mars Society Comfy. Let us know what it's like, I might join myself.
>my comment about how we aren't abandoning the earth made it into the OP
Yeah I just adjusted it slightly
Logan Green
Good question
I imagine 1. They are European 2. National Socialism is a good system that promoted order and 3. War is a good motivator
Basically Germany had the right conditions for advancement to occur
Benjamin Williams
It was spur of the moment. Heard about any space developments this week?
Jayden Reyes
>The Mars Society is the world’s largest and most influential space advocacy organisation. >The purpose of the Mars Society is to further the human exploration and settlement of the red planet. >Established by Dr. Robert Zubrin (author of The Case For Mars, creator of the Mars Direct plan) and others in 1998, the group works to educate the public, the media and government on the benefits of exploring Mars and creating a permanent human presence on the Red Planet.
The Mars Society activities include:
Mars analog simulations in the Utah Desert and the Canadian Arctic. The Rover Challenge Series. Public outreach and educational programs. Political advocacy efforts. Privately-funded research. Chapter meetings in the U.S. and around the world. The Annual International Mars Society Conventions.
Neat. Do they have any notable achievements or play a role in any policy/advisory positions? Or are their goals more public relation minded?
Nathaniel Anderson
I had a brief look at some space related news, nothing too big happening. I included two links in the OP
Jaxson Bennett
As far as I can see, each chapter works on their own projects along the overarching guidelines, from what I can tell the Poles are working on habitats, Germany and UK are focusing on cubesats, Austria hugely helped with the Mars Desert Research Station (check it out), Netherlands have their first chapter opening this year too. The French chapter are also known for lobbying the European Space Agency. They do have a huge PR presence though, the original /etm/ kek
David James
sick. I will look into them more. Is membership pay or free?
Thomas Brown
Bumping ebic thread. I'll be back in half an hour or so, keep it alive.
Carter Edwards
it's pay, not that much though. Like any club I'd recommend contacting your local branch first though and visiting first to see if you like it, instead of jumping in headfirst like me lmao. The branches there are probably a lot more organised and established than most other countries. Still I hear their conferences are very good
Juan Robinson
woops kek
Cameron Morris
Will do.
Adrian Rodriguez
We dominated science at that point.
Asher Nelson
I tried to do a follow-up of crewed rover designs from last week, all I can find from NASA is this weird ass thing called the Multi-Mission Space Exploration Vehicle. >The prototype surface rover is a plug-in electric vehicle with a cutting edge, Lithium-ion battery with a 125 W-hr/Kg specific energy (including cells, packaging and battery management electronics) >Some of the new technologies to be developed for the surface and in-space concepts include new batteries, new fuel cells, advanced regenerative brakes, active suspension, gaseous hydrogen/oxygen RCS system, automated rendezvous and docking, and new tire technologies They fell for the hydrogen fuel cell meme..
in other news: designboom.com/technology/toyota-moon-rover-jaxa-japan-moon-landing-03-12-2019/ Toyota announces plans to join forces with the japan aerospace exploration agency (JAXA) to build a pressurized self-driving rover that will land on the moon in 2029. the six-wheeled electric vehicle will be capable of accommodating two people for a distance of 10,000 kilometers using toyota’s fuel cell technology. >tfw JAXA also fell for the Hydrogen fuel cell meme Worry.jpg. At least it's aesthetic looking though, and you'll be able to tell the girls at the lunar hab that you drive a toyota
>it doesn't matter how fucked our countries become, we will have a future beyond earth
Are you an idiot? It DOES matter how fucked our countries become. Because no matter how successful we are at getting people to other planets, for the forseeable future, most of humanity will still be HERE stuck on fucking Earth. The sheer ignorance of the right wing is astounding.
Jordan Wilson
>losing everything on earth and going extinct >losing everything on earth but surviving because our people are elsewhere
Pick one?
Adrian Rogers
Is that the MARSHA one or their own? looks 95% similar
I wonder how many lifetimes until the Mars Canyons would be able to look like that
Carter Phillips
ignore the next posts from me. im dumping some stuff so i can pull it all up in the archive
Welcome to the Earth To Mars General. This thread is dedicated to the discussion of creating a European Colony on Mars, not by direct funding, but through the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play.
The first Mars Colony is predicted to be established as early as 7 years from now. Very quickly the colony is going to expand, and it is becoming clear that it will not be long until commercial emigration comes in to play. This means the first large influx of settlers over the next 50 years are going to be families who can afford the ticket. Only people who can afford to move there will be able to. lets face it - a strong European presence on Mars is the only way to truly secure our future. >Plan: /etm/ is a new general and a work in progress. Essentially, once the colonisation effort becomes commercial, we need to move there.
/etm/ >inb4 space is fake kys >inb4 muh economics kys >inb4 STOP LARPING the short term goal of this general is to simply re-inspire each other on the subject of space exploration & colonisation. We hope to promote a new positive attitude towards life on Mars amongst those who value the future of the European peoples.
Liam Baker
>Remember why we fight. This is definitely not about abandoning the problems we have here on Earth, we believe that the European peoples are not only strong enough to overcome those problems, but are able to dedicate themselves on multiple fronts, Mars is that other front.
>also, I need to update the general a fair bit, but i've been busy lately - as always, the general continues to be a place on Jow Forums to talk about Mars and other space related topics.
>next thread I normally post it every Saturday 10pm GMT. Tonight i've posted it slightly earlier.
>for anyone who wants a quick profile on Mars Equatorial Diameter: 6,792 km Polar Diameter: 6,752 km Mass: 6.42 x 10^23 kg (10.7% Earth) Moons: 2 (Phobos & Deimos) Orbit Distance: 227,943,824 km (1.52 AU) Orbit Period: 687 days (1.9 years) Surface Temperature: -153 to 20 °C First Record: 2nd millennium BC Recorded By: Egyptian astronomers
>There are signs of liquid water on Mars. For years Mars has been known to have water in the form of ice. The first signs of trickling water are dark stripes or stains on crater wall and cliffs seen in satellite images. Due to Mars’ atmosphere this water would have to be salty to prevent it from freezing or vaporizing.
Carson Green
a few interesting words in regards to business opportunities on Mars >Water Purification/Production Besides oxygen, of course, the only thing that will be more important on Mars than food will be clean drinking water. Scientists believe that there is water on Mars; however, they are not sure if it’s drinkable. Consequently, if there is water on Mars, someone will need to purify and make it suitable for consumption. If there is no water on Mars, then some really smart people will figure out a cost-effective way to produce H2O from hydrogen and oxygen. Either way, water will be big business on Mars. >Hospitality and Entertainment Nobody likes to eat or stay at home all the time, so there will be a need for entertainment, virtual reality centers, hotels, and restaurants of all kinds. If tourism to Mars ever becomes popular (and I think it will,) the need for hospitality and entertainment providers will be huge. As with all other things on Mars, eating out or taking a vacation will probably be expensive. Therefore, for those savvy chefs, hoteliers, and producers that get in on the ground floor, there will absolutely be plenty of money to be made in these industries. >Construction/Infrastructure Depending on the environmental concerns and requirements settlers face when they arrive on Mars, it’s hard to tell how construction and infrastructure will need to be approached. One this is certain, though, and that is people will need places to live and work as well as other necessities such as bridges, walkways, and streets (or something similar to streets.)
In the beginning, governments or authorities may handle initial construction projects. Still, I don’t think it will be long thereafter that the private sector will be doing most of the building. Building homes, condos and whatever else on Mars will be expensive and possibly dangerous. Therefore, expect contractors — big and small — to earn good livings in this field.
Gavin Torres
>another cut from a different article there are many potential near-term business opportunities connected with human missions to Mars with significant potential markets for the associated technologies and capabilities required for creating a sustainable human presence on the surface of Mars. These include innovations in life support, agriculture, radiation shielding, energy, on-site resource utilization (aka living off the land), filtration, and many other necessary technologies and capabilities. Many of these technologies would not require the massive level of investment for development that large mission elements like heavy-lift rockets, crew vehicles, propulsion, and habitats require. With the proper stimulus and the necessary entrepreneurial innovators, these technologies could be developed in a competitive manner, and they also likely will have application to improving life on Earth and therefore also have a significant market on Earth—thus making them particularly attractive to entrepreneurs, small businesses, and others.
>more Whether humans reach Mars through a government effort, a commercial model, or a combination of the two, there are remarkable opportunities that will accompany that journey. These opportunities are not only for discovery but also for innovators, entrepreneurs, and others to create new or better products that contribute to the sustainability of humans on Mars and also benefit people on the planet Earth.
Aiden Diaz
>more While cosmonauts and astronauts are learning valuable spacefaring skills on the International Space Station — and the U.S. is using virtual reality to train scientists — the majority of work to prepare for interplanetary expeditions is being done on Earth...and where best to field-test equipment and people for the journey to Mars but on some of the planet's most forbidding spots. Seen from space, the Dhofar Desert is a flat, brown expanse. Few animals or plants survive in the desert expanses of the Arabian Peninsula, where temperatures can top 125 degrees Fahrenheit, or 51 degrees Celsius. On the eastern edge of a seemingly endless dune is the Oman Mars Base: a giant 2.4-ton inflated habitat surrounded by shipping containers turned into labs and crew quarters. There are no airlocks. The desert's surface resembles Mars so much, it's hard to tell the difference, the types of geomorphology, all the structures, the salt domes, the riverbeds, the wadis, it parallels a lot of what we see on Mars.
Scientists from across the world sent ideas for experiments such as testing a new spacesuit called Aouda, the cutting-edge spacesuit, weighing about 50 kilograms (110 pounds), is called a "personal spaceship" because one can breathe, eat and do hard science inside it. The suit's visor displays maps, communications and sensor data. A blue piece of foam in front of the chin can be used to wipe your nose and mouth. >Something to consider, for your or your children's future there will be a huge demand for engineers, medical experts, management "officers" and any sort of cross between those and other fields. So people with that kind of background could secure themselves a bright future on Mars.
Jason Baker
>interesting read French 3D-printing company Fabulous has brought together a team of scientists and architects to imagine a bubble-shaped habitat for Mars that can be printed on the red planet.The Sfero house features an internal and external dome, with a protective pocket of water between the two. A single corridor rests on the planet's surface and allows access to the interior, which would have an upper and lower level linked by a spiral staircase.The house would start off as a central drilling rod that burrows several metres into the planet's soil to extend two robotic arms, which would harvest materials to be used for 3D-printing the habitat's internal and external dome-shaped shells.The spherical shape has been designed to offer high resistance to Mars' low atmospheric density.The design aims to use the red planet's abundance of iron oxide – discovered in dust samples and rocks brought back by NASA's Pathfinder rovers – which would form the raw material for 3D printing. The powdered iron particles would then be fused together by laser, and the levels of the habitat printed layer by layer. The arms would also seek out permafrost – soil that has been at or below freezing for at least two years – to be melted and used as a 30-centimetre-wide water pocket in between the two shells to protect against solar radiation. Fabulous founder Arnault Coulet believes the water layer could be a "permanent psychological reminder of the main element of the mother planet – water constituting a sort of protective amniotic fluid for humans."
John Mitchell
“You want to wake up in the morning and think the future is going to be great - and that's what being a spacefaring civilization is all about. It's about believing in the future and thinking that the future will be better than the past. And I can't think of anything more exciting than going out there and being among the stars.” — ELON MUSK, SPACEX
Very soon our people will live on Mars, following those first few years the colony is going to expand and it is becoming clear that it will not be long until commercial emigration comes in to play. This means the first large influx of settlers over the next 50 years are going to be families who can afford the ticket. Only people who can afford to move there will be able to. let's face it - a strong European presence on Mars is the only way to truly secure our future especially if our situation here continues to get worse.
Welcome to the Earth To Mars General. This thread is dedicated to the discussion of creating a European Colony on Mars, not by direct funding, but through the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play.
The first large influx of settlers over the next 50 years are going to be families who can afford the ticket. Only people who can afford to move there will be able to. let's face it - a strong European presence on Mars is the only way to truly secure our future.
The true future of the European is to be out there amongst the stars, and we can't achieve that future without having /ourguys/ on Mars. This isn't a LARP about ethnostates, it's about making Jow Forums realise there is still a chance to secure our future regardless of what happens to our homelands.
Angel Smith
"Thus, the central objection raised against the human settlement and terraforming of Mars: Such projects may be technologically feasible, but there is no possible way that they can be paid for. On the surface, the arguments given supporting this position appear cogent, for Mars is a distant place, difficult to access, and possesses a hostile environment that holds no apparent resources of economic value. These arguments appear ironclad, yet it must be pointed out that they were also presented in the past as convincing reasons for the utter impracticality of the European settlement of North America and Australia." Robert Zubrin, The Case for Mars.
The true future of the European is to be out there amongst the stars, and how are we going to achieve that future ? There are obviously a number of things that must happen here on earth which will contribute towards a total victory but no matter what, we must ensure that /ourguys/ (that's you, Jow Forums) make it to Mars and are on the red planet from the very beginning.
Unlike other threads, /etm/ is not about direct funding, but about taking advantage of the commercial emigration scheme that will eventually come into play.
Joshua Davis
ok lads im done sorry if that felt like i derailed the thread slightly lol
Brayden Scott
No problem, do you have a paste bin for this stuff yet like /SIG/?
Zachary Robinson
>most of humanity
You think we care about "most of humanity"?
l o l
David Fisher
no I'll just open this thread on 4plebs and copy/paste what I need
people walking about without suits and masks ? a LONG time. suits will be the first to go once we can get the pressure closer to what we have here on earth, but we'll still need oxygen masks for a while after that.
A thought I've had: Whilst in space due to low/ no gravity how will we keep people Jow Forums as they will suffer muscle atrophy. On mars itself it has gravity, but on the long trips there and back, or even further beyond, how do we stop the human body from deteriorating?
Is Germany cold? You don't see everyone else wearing those overcoats nearly as often
Christopher Lee
'Our right', the manifest destiny of all European peoples to Living space , in space. Americans alone can't do it. Same for Europe. But together we can beat the Chinese.
>On mars itself it has gravity, but on the long trips there and back, or even further beyond, how do we stop the human body from deteriorating?
considering how the human body can actually recover from the effects of zero G, the long trips (which will be getting shorter and shorter) there and back probably aren't going to be the problem. the problem is going to be child development and muscle growth under Martian G, especially if people born there will want to visit earth (earths G will be pretty intense after being born on Mars)
Austin Adams
The problem of atrophy due to gravity I think has been largely solved or at least mitigated. A few years ago the woman who has logged the longest time in space, aboard the ISS, came back down. The reports and NASA findings at the time claimed that she suffered only minimal bone loss and atrophy. She was up there for over a year too. I am unsure of the follow up put if true then I am not too worried.
Isaiah Martinez
Take my energy
Brandon Fisher
You dumbasses think the women wont sent their token nigger pets. Fucktards.
it's literally too expensive for 99.9999 etc % of all niggers
Grayson Lewis
In the Mars Direct plan, it was designed so that the crew capsule would be tethered to the spent upper stage booster instead of instantly throwing it away. Pic related. With a long enough tether, you could start to rotate them at a low revolution per minute to give a mars-level amount of centrifugal gravity for the trip there. The advantages are both in greatly avoiding muscle atrophy over the ~6 month journey there, and also in giving the crew time to experience and naturally acclimatize to martian gravity before they arrive. When they arrive, just detach the tether and the spend stage, and land as they would have. Idk how it would work on Starship, maybe if it's tall enough they could just rotate the entire thing at a certain revolutions, but they'd also need to adjust the interior design to work with this (don't want to be living on the ceiling for the trip kek)
btw they found bone atrophy can countered with regular osteoporosis medicine, no doubt they will improve it further for specific low-g conditions. Muscle atrophy can be overcome with exercise, and weighted clothing. With even a small amount of artificial gravity, it'd be almost a non-issue for long term travel
Jace Ward
IF we can get some whites to Mars, and then afterward, whites go near extinct here and the world economy crashes, the future earth will never get to space. Whites will live on and survive on Mars. They will continue to build and breed in relative safety. Ultimately, hopefully, they'd reach a point where they can begin to stretch further into space while earth devolves into feudal societies again. In a couple hundred years, Martian whites can come back and conquer the planet, genocide everyone and recolonize the planet.
They can be rejected, or could 'die' in space. Worse things have happened at sea after all. I've read something along that line. They wanted to have a compartment in the middle of rocket which span so the central cabin had an artificial gravity. Also getting the necessary vitamins, proteins, exercise and sunlight will be a problem. Especially for children, but for adults as well.
Elijah Young
That's why they just steal it like everything else they depend on to live.
Owen Robinson
Like all things like madness and Schizophrenia, Autism is only a handicap if you don't know how to wield it. High functioning Autists will inherit the earth and high functioning schizophrenics will become the spiritual class.
Parker Scott
I just hope my kids can get to mars
Logan Flores
A two fronted war. Get the colonist into space, whilst ensuring down here either we win or prevent anyone following them. I've got a green text about it somewhere
>t. doesn't understand biology or metaphysics I pity you. If it is stupid and it works, it ain't stupid. That's all for tonight frens, I'm off. See you next week.
Brody Thompson
See you next week friend. I just got the website started today so I should have some results next week.
I'm settling down for the too lads. If I don't come back, night and I'll see you next week.
Andrew Gonzalez
>just got the website started today so I should have some results next week.
alright m8
Owen Brown
quite a read, reminds me of World War Z (the book) small anecdotes from different people
Christopher Powell
The is this game call of duty infinite warfare. In the campaign the mars colony became independent and made war against earth. >tfw this will never happen in your lifetime >thewestbabysittingthirdworldcardrift.jpg
Joseph Williams
They should have made a trilogy with Admiral Kock as the villain but they fucked up. Still a good game though
yesterday i saw a UFO a circle of flashing lights hovering
fuck mars fuck aliens im staying on earth
Eli Robinson
Neat
Oliver Nguyen
It isn't enough to just survive until the time of space exploration. Africans never invented the firearm yet warlords command hordes of monkeys with guns all across their continent. Mars wouldn't be such a big deal but technology that lets them leave the cradle of Earth and spread further would be a disaster.
They have to be made positively infertile before the human race develops the means to travel between star systems.
