Communism bread

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Kill the red faggots

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muh small government. muh free market. muh lofty libertarian ideals.

You just love the Jewish oligarchs raping you and corporations engaging in social engineering, don't you?

Soviet communism was nationalistic, you dumb nog capitalist dork

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Do you honestly believe you could starve in 2019? I mean complete shithole nations like Ghana have starvation. That's caused by capitalism. But there is no way and industrial nation would fail to produce food.

My personal disagreement is on "liberate the whole world". In some shitholes (not by Trump's definetion) people can't be saved.

this, the (((globalist bourgeois))) feed from war

Go build your own country then

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>Soviet communism was nationalistic

Nope! haha

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>What are your major disagreements with it?
The fact that it's the most murderous ideology on the planet?
The fact that it's kikeish in nature and therefore evil?
The fact that most westerners are blissfully ignorant of how fucking awful it is?

Let's not talk about it, other then to bash it. Mkay?

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The hardest thing to swallow about Marxism is the idea that the state could one day "wither away." I simply have a hard time imagining that we could reach a point where the state would no longer have to intervene to protect the people.
Now, I realize that's a long term goal and that Marxists don't intend on abolishing the state in the near future (unlike anarchists), but it's still difficult to imagine.
Another user mentioned the suppression of religion, but while that is a common feature of Marxist countries, I suppose it's not a necessary core tenet of the ideology.

Have sex and read a history book. Trotsky never led the ussr.

that's a fake quote

I thought soviets were nationalist as fuck. It’s just the nufaggot pussy type of communism that’s all about helping shitskins and degenerates. The soviets sent degenerates like homos and trannies to gulags and they got rid of the Muslim threat at their borders. An act that shitty new age communists from reddit would call imperialism. I even used to think that communism was right wing because Russia is right wing. Why the fuck would a bunch of Russian men in the 60s give a fuck about niggers and faggots? I imagine they despised them as much as anyone else.

Spoilers: It's possible to oppose both

Nope, personaly more agree to China's idea.

Supression of jew fairy tales is quite ok, Id say

Well that doesn't even make sense. Lenin and Stalin killed rich people. How is that kikeish?

Only under Stalin, even then the downsides outweighted any good there may have been

was that a misreply? that was an inv to a d*scord

Yeah dude, no drag queen parades, no quickly available porn, no extra large sodas! The horror

oy vey, what would we ever do without (((war profiteering)))

Communism will never ask for aid, their economic structure is labor and maintainence of the laws.

You work for the nation and if the number of workers is big enough to keep the nation under control

The nation will achieve the governments goals

No corruption, no sacrifices

If you want your regime to be overthrown, maybe.
Even Stalin allowed the churches to reopen during the war.

Don't use discord, was talking about something about the north Korea video

The requirement that i support those who refuse to do the same for me.

People who were very religious were practicing it at any point in the soviet union. I have never seen any evidence that people were gulaged for being christian. It must be propaganda.

it originated in the twisted minds of kikes

maxim gorki and commies in general were correct when they said homosexuality is bourgeois degeneracy
National Socialism and Christian Socialism are superior forms of Socialism

Not compatible with Christianity

>Kills 30million+ of your own native citizens outside of war on purpose.
>Nationalistic

Pick one!

Only actually incels post "have sex"

Here is two books for you to read;
Revolution 1989: The Fall of the Soviet Empire
The Fall: A Comparative Study of the End of Communism

yah lemme read this book from rich capitalists about why communism is evil. that is surely to be a worthwhile use of my time..

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It denies human nature, and treats people only as a head to be counted. It defies the natural order of the world, in which the strong rise above the weak, which thereby perpetuates the incremental progress of the human condition. It denies individuals the rights to private property, to personal liberty, and to their fruits of their labor, and seeks to supplant all other beliefs, ideologies, religions, and cultures.
>inb4 none of this is real communism
Real communism is whatever has been enacted by avowed communists, and everything which has ever been enacted by avowed communists has been a disaster, both in the humanitarian costs, as well as it's blatant inefficiency and inherent tendency towards corruption.

>All power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutely
There are only two types of communists: power-hungry sociopaths, and useful idiots. In that regard, all communists are also detestable people, in general.

the "real communism" thing I swear is being pushed by the CIa to deny the accomplishments of the soviet union and other socialist sates. I never really see leftists say those states weren't socialist these days.

What accomplishments were those, exactly?

I don't know if you've taken a look at the former Soviet Republics lately, but none of them appear to be very accomplished. Why don't you ask a Ukrainian or a Moldovan about the great accomplishments of the USSR?

Surely such a shining example of communism would have left them a legacy to be proud of.

I dunno winning the greatest war in human history ? Inventing space travel? Raising life expectancy from 28 to 68? I mean even current russia is mostly ran on the soviet union's accomplishments, the military, the foreign policy.

Don't Trotskyists call the USSR a degenerated workers' state?

I think anarchist and trotskyites hate the USSR but Trotskyites for the most part don't seem all that keen on communism in general to me. I mean fucking Hitchens was a trotskyite. It seems to be more of a trendy thing for most people in the west, they get to shit in the ussr while claiming to be socialist.

>I dunno winning the greatest war in human history?
Nice bending of the truth there. The truth is, if capitalists hadn't invaded from the western front, then Germany's forces wouldn't have been divided, and the Soviets would have likely lost. Their staggering death toll was the result of a disregard for human life, and the acceptance of human-wave tactics as a valid strategy. "Quantity is a quality all it's own," as Stalin said.
>Inventing space travel?
Captured Nazi scientists were responsible for this.
>Raising life expectancy from 28 to 68?
Raised later than the Western Capitalist countries, and raised to a lower upper limit, as well. Doesn't seem like much to be proud of.

You're also totally disregarding the fact that virtually all of the Soviet Union is now a poverty-stricken cesspit, with a culture of corruption being their greatest lasting legacy, and an AIDS rate second only to sub-Saharan Africa.

Russia is now a regional power, incapable of projecting military outside of the periphery of their borders.

Communism failed.

You have a meme tier understanding of ww2. The soviet union won that war. The western front was not a significant factor.

no it wasnt you lying kike
it was created by jews and the first thing they did was make laws condemning russians who pointed that out to death
nationalists were persecuted under communism

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I wish the memes about NKVD brutality were real so he would be killed right then and there. Literal propagandist scum.

With the communist leaders countries have had they only go straight to business and keep a nation with soberanity and freedom

Communism may not be living in private ownership, if you fall for the idea of being poor

Liberty is nothing about drugs, alcohol, violence or a scale where you can point out the best, it is about UNION and partnership, in the nation

jew

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Prove it.

The death toll of the Soviets on the eastern front, compared to the Germans, was astronomical. The had worse commanders, worse soldiers, and were greatly aided by the Russian winter, as well.

Moreover, the number of German troops dedicated to the Western front was not insignificant, as the Germans knew that an allied US invasion was coming.

>You have a meme tier understanding of ww2.
The fact that you're resorting to ad hominem attacks instead of mentioning specifics about the war, proves to me that you're full of shit, and only pretending to know what you're talking about; logical fallacies are the last line of defense when someone is losing an argument.

The death toll was 2:1. Same as the western front. Lend lease was not a significant thing. I can prove it if you want me too.

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Tu ingles es muy malo. No comprendo, amigo.

Russia defended his terretory because of the invasion of troops of Deutschland

That is why they attacked the western border from the Deutchs

its always failed.
its foreign.
i can never make it.
i dont want to live under totalitarian regime because i wont be free, and i cant do what i like.
i dont want to be poor.
Everyone i met who is a commie tends to be a bad person in general
poor ethics.
the people who support it publicly are not people i like nor would i be comfortable with siding with.
they tend to be rich kids.
they care about every other race but mine.
i dont wanna get killed.
i want to be a home & business owner

all a man needs in life are his frens

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>implying that over six million more deaths is not a display of abject military inferiority
Was this infograph supposed to prove your point? Because I feel like it proves mine, actually.

bumping again

Lend lease wasn't significant since it came so late, but the allies still mostly helped by diverting German resources away from the west, especially with bombers and by forcing them to defend coasts. The USSR still did the huge majority of the work, though, and there's nothing Britain and the US would have been able to do against Germany without the Soviets.

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Well your math is shit, but not unlike any american. But not really. The germans had the most capable army in the world at that time, and their allies did very well, but there was no shot at them winning the war. Invading the soviet union was the single most retarded thing HItler did.

>The USSR still did the huge majority of the work
How do you measure 'work' in this context?

>there's nothing Britain and the US would have been able to do against Germany without the Soviets.
On this point, I agree with you actually. Neither the West, nor the East, would have been able to defeat the Wehrmacht without the other, in conventional warfare.

However, had the Soviet Union been defeated, the United States would have resorted to Atomic weapons - Japan certainly demonstrates our willingness to do so.

So ultimately, we still would have won, although it would have been a much uglier victory.

>Well your math is shit
10.6m - 4.3m = 6.3m
My math isn't shit actually, but your's is, apparently.

>Invading the soviet union was the single most retarded thing HItler did
On this point, we agree.

>"Without Lend-Lease … the Soviet economy would have been even more heavily burdened by the war effort,” Glantz noted.

>But it’s unlikely the aid turned the war entirely in the Soviet Union’s favor, as the German military was overstretched even during the 1941 invasion. That vulnerability was exposed terribly during the Red Army’s 1941–1942 Moscow counter-offensive—and it’s unlikely Germany would have won the war even if it had captured Moscow. And that was when Lend-Lease was just beginning.

>But Lend-Lease certainly helped in many ways. “If the Western Allies had not provided equipment and invaded northwest Europe [our emphasis], Stalin and his commanders might have taken twelve to eighteen months longer to finish off the Wehrmacht,” Glantz noted.

>“The result would probably have been the same, except that Soviet soldiers would have waded at France’s Atlantic beaches rather than meeting the Allies at the Elbe.”

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1: The ideology is inherently internationalist in nature. Even under Stalin, when the Soviet Union implemented "Socialism in one country" (or whatever you want to call it), the aim was still to create a single worldwide Communist state.
2: Marxism is inherently a dogmatic materialist ideology, paired with Capitalism, that seeks to turn human being into mindless cogs in the productive scheme.
3: It's anti-human nature, in that it grants no incentive (other than to avoid the Gulag) to produce more, be more productive or be innovative.
4: It attempts to set up an entirely arbitrary and artificial tribal identity to unite people under (Tribal identity based on Class), which at most you can suck in ~20% of any given population with. It doesn't exist in nature and in the end tribal identity based on biology always wins out.

>he said as he watched pakis gang rape his wife and daughter

I've never even mentioned lend-lease in this whole thread. Your argument is so scripted that you're trying to debate points that are entire irrelevant. That's peak NPC'ing.

>There are only two types of communists: power-hungry sociopaths, and useful idiots.
>useful idiots
It's becoming clear to me now, which type of communist you are.

usted hablar muy mal, camarada

Have sex and read any book, without Trotsky there would never have been a ussr

yah lemme read this book from rich jews about why nationalism is evil. that is surely to be a worthwhile use of my time..

>why do incel commie larpers have such a low IQ

Hmmm

>I've never even mentioned lend-lease in this whole thread. Your argument is so scripted that you're trying to debate points that are entire irrelevant. That's peak NPC'ing.
Lend lease was the most significant thing america did in ww2. That's where most arguments come from. You are so retarded that you think the western front was anything but a meme. They were fighting literal children. Germany was completely out of men and nobody in the rest of europe dared to oppose the soviet union. Even Finland, ran by literal nazis, said they had to fight against the germans because it's idiotic to go against Stalin.

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nigger stop making us look stupid, the USSR was jew-made retardation, but that is OBVIOUSLY a fake quote

they (the USSR) wanted socialism in one country because they figured that if the west already hated the USSR, invading countries to make them communes would only legitimize their fears and would pit them alone against the world. Eastern Europe was just a meat shield for Stalin, although arguably made them more stable (except for those revisionist Magyars).

>How do you measure 'work' in this context?
With pretty much any metric you want. The eastern front was bigger in every ways than the western one.

>However, had the Soviet Union been defeated, the United States would have resorted to Atomic weapons - Japan certainly demonstrates our willingness to do so.
That depends on the context. Don't forget that Germany also had a nuclear weapons program that was pretty advanced. Had things been different, it could have been completed around the same time. Even if it hadn't, don't forget that Germany was not Japan, and that sneaking bombs on them would have been harder since they were capable of producing a lot more AA guns and aircrafts. Sure, in the actual war, the allies had air superiority and would have been able to nuke them, but that's because most of their industry was busy producing stuff for the eastern front. They may even have become the first to produce nuclear missiles.

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Si, tengo espanol malo, pero esto es un website en ingles, asi tienes la responsibilidad hablar ingles, si deseas la gente comprender.

>There are only two types of communists: power-hungry sociopaths, and useful idiots.
>useful idiots

>It's becoming clear to me now, which type of communist you are.

topkek

Every human has a unique "value function" which determines the value of objects from their point of view. It's prone to rapid changes and can't be fully articulated unambiguoualy and universaly. A central authority can't account for a large ammount of value functions that people aren't even capable of fully articulating and then solving the knapsack problem of optimally distributing reaources to all areas.

A market, on the other hand, is decentralized and can make small adjustments constantly to work towards optimal at all times simultaneously and asynchronously.

>censorship
>hunger
>enslavement
Just some small details

I've honestly never met a communist that is also a decent person in some way.
>no gf
>no job
>no family
>autism
>muh atheism
>muh lady
>claims to oppose capitalism but have Iphones etc
How are you gonna liberate the subdued working class that is all too happy with capitalism?
The working class consistently votes to the right in about all countries, how do you rationalize claiming to be for the workers when they care about such things as immigration and communists are for opening the gates?

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I did not read the rules about the website, just noticed you do not see the content the same way you see it in other websites

That is why I keep visiting this website

At first I did not post anything until I thought it was time, there is alot of filth here...