Am I fucked?

I used to be a Christian, became an atheist a few years ago, now I am a Christian again. Recently I read this Bible verse:
>For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery.
Hebrews 6:4-6
So am I fucked now or what? Is there room in Heaven for me?

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How is that politics? Go worship your kike on a stick and leave us be

>Hebrews 6:4:6
nah don't worry, i don't know where you got that english crap from, but as you can see, the original hebrews is just a bunch of nonsensical letters and lines.

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Whoops forgot to turn on your meme flag!

You forgot to use your meme flag moshe

Jow Forums is a Christian board if you haven't noticed. Might as well just call it /christ/ at this point.

Make your mind up, you're as bad as a woman.

>HEY GUES I DIDNT LIEK THIS SHITTY SCAM CULT BE THEN YANG GANG PUT 40K VIGINS UNDER MY TOOTH PILLOW

WOW THIS THRAEAD IS SO REAL AND NATUIRAL

I CANT WAIT TO JOIN [CULT GROUP]

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Well I've already made up my mind. I just want to if it's pointless since the Bible pretty much says I'm now eternally damned no matter what.

HEY HAS ANYONE ELSE HEARD OF [CULT GROUP]????

AT FIRST I WAS LIKE NO! IM NOT GOING TO [CULT GROUP]


THEN IN A NACHO I SAW A VISION 8 INCHES ON MY PENIS FOR 3 MONTH SUPPLY 50% OFF

AND NOW I CANT LIVE WITHOUT [CULT GROUP]

Bot?

want to know*

So?

Are you sincere? If so you can be forgiven.

WTF I'M [CULT GROUP] NOW!!!!

But it literally says I can't.

You hath never tasted the spirit of the Holy Ghost if you hath turned away by lies - for only such verse applies to the likes of Satan, who know thy truth yet choose Evil as their ever lasting fate.

I expected you christcucks to be pretty dumb but being this retarded? Like Varg said your Jew master surely has you by the balls.

>Jews hate Christianity

That's what lying Jews want us to believe to make their Neo-Judaic cult more legitimate. It's called "Reverse Psychology."

In reality Jesus (real name rabbi Yeshua bar yosef) was a subversive Jew and was crucified for trying to corrupt Pagan Romans into an Abrahamic cult.

Redpilled goy history.
Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians:
The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though REPRESSED, this DESTRUCTIVE SUPERSTITION erupted again, not only through JUDEA, which was the origin of this EVIL, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and SHAMEFUL floods together and is celebrated.
westmont.edu/~fisk/articles/TacitusAndPlinyOnTheEarlyChristians.html

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The context of the verse refers specifically to those who return to By returning to Judaism, the apostates are declaring that Jesus was a false Messiah (else they would not leave faith in him as the true Messiah). But by declaring Jesus to be a false Messiah, they are declaring that he deserved what he got when he was crucified because the penalty for being a false messiah is death. So as long as you didn’t convert to Judaism and revert to Christianity then the verse does not apply to you.

>like varg said
>memeflag
Wew lad

Just read that and now I dislike Romans more
>Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the truth was bytorturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses.
>I interrogated these as to whether they were Christians; those who confessed I interrogated a second and a third time, threatening them with punishment;those who persisted I ordered executed.
>Therefore, first those were seized who admitted their faith, and then, using the information they provided, a vast multitude were convicted, not so much for the crime of burning the city, but forhatred of the human race. And perishing they were additionally made into sports: they were killed by dogs by having the hides of beasts attached to them, or they were nailed to crosses or set aflame, and, when the daylight passed away, they were used as nighttime lamps.
>T-those evil Christians hate people for no reason! Quick, let's torture them and force them to worship the emperor and the pagan gods, executing them if they refuse. We're such nice guys amirite Titus?

>impossible
Are you Christian now? Yes, then it didn't mean you! Also read The parable of the lost son ( Luke 15:11). Most likely you haven't been considered "fallen away" yet.

At least that's how I See it.

Then who was meant? Those you cannot possibly believe! Usually that means repobates, those who have rejected god and have been rejected by god in return. That means they've Bern given over to a repobate mind by god (wicked, perverted, no remorse, damned)


Look for sanderson1611 on YouTube on this subject

thx lads

Pretty much the entirety of Luke 15- the lost sheep, the lost coin, the prodigal son.

Mum just made Shepard's pie - see you later faggots I'm off to dinner.

Why not read the rest of the passage, tho?

Nero had offered his gardens as a venue for the show, and he would also put on circus entertainments, mixing with the plebs in his charioteer’s outfit or standing up in his chariot. As a result, guilty though these people were and deserving exemplary punishment, pity for them began to well up because it was felt that they were being exterminated not for the public good, but to gratify one man’s cruelty.

>Hebrews
Found your problem

>believing in meme kike religion founded on cuckoldry

Its all made up kike cult bullshit bro youll be fine

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Sounds like you were none of those things before. Don't worry, all who say "Jesus is Lord" have the Spirit. All who believe in their heart that He rose again from the dead will be saved.

Kek that's great where is it from?

You are fine. So long as you truely repent your sins god will always forgive you.
Hell is a myth anyway. It is where Satan and his minions go, not a place of punishment.
>merciful god that always loves you
>burn for eternity for sins
pick one. The bible only mentions hell a few times and in its context its not a place for the afterlife. They myth of hell and our ideas of it comes from a poem called Dantes Inferno, which describes every circle of hell and who goes where. The lowest level of hell is frozen because it is furthest from god....but as I said, its from a poem writte by "just some guy."

No idea, sorry. Saved it from here ages ago.

from what I understand, Hebrews 6:4-8 is a warning that if you become lackadaisical in your faith and drift away, it is possible for your soul to become so hardened that you will never come back to God in repentance. An example of this would be Esau, who while he begged with tears for forgiveness, sought only to improve his life on Earth, his soul had already become hardened and he sought only to taste again of worldly pleasures, not of the heavenly gifts.

so because you have come back to the Lord in repentance, then I would say no, this verse does not apply to you. but be firm in your faith or one day it may.

Nice flag, faggot.

Exactly as prophesied. Let us know when your Messiah arrives from the line of David.

You are either among God's elect or you aren't. Do not trouble yourself with worries about it. Trust God. He knows what he is doing

>implying you were actually a Christian fully
>implying you're a Christian now
If you have to ask "am I saved?" you don't get it.

Hmm, let him grow in that confidence. Don't be prideful. As you and I depend on his promis and mercy. We know that God does not lie and we can be asured it will be so. However remember the decision, the judgement, ultimately lies with the Lord. Be asured, be confident in his word but don't seat yourself at the table as the Lord might give that seat to someone more worthy and place you some place else.

Since when is being politically incorrect a Christian thing?
Your baseless entitlement is just what makes you repeat that bullshit again and again.
And don't tell me "the Jews don't like it."
Yes, they do. It's a melting pot of their teachings too, perfect to control you instable goys. And "the Jews don't like it" is not a very good reason to decide whether to do something or not.

>Hebrews

Based, would be your shabbos goy anytime bbe

>used to be a Christian
>then an atheist
>then a Christian again
So you were never really lost

>since when?
Lurk moar

You will find a contradiction for most of the poignant verses in the bible. Any smart person knows the bible cannot be taken as instruction like they say it should be.

You either will have to have faith in God, and surmise that he exists despite the fucked up shitshow of the bible..

Or you will have to have no faith in God.

2 options. The bible will give you no resolution as long as you hold onto your IQ points.

I would also look into Enoch and Jasher, I find those books to be far more plausible, and they are the ones with fucking giants and portals and shit ironically.

To elaborate, Enoch and Jasher, Enoch specifically, paints a far more realistic picture of god.

a god that isnt forgiving unless you show you truly need him, a god that literally will fuck your shit up hard because he enjoys it, and does not fall for gay ass apologies to put it bluntly.

TLDR, it basically says what we would all think god is like.. a powerful smarter than you diety that dishes out more wrath than blessing, and you must be a special motherfucker and righteous as fuck to get any sort of blessing whatsoever, and those blessing are usually just in the form of not fucking you shit up for a while.

It sucks, but it seems true to reality.

No. That's like "it's impossible for rich men to enter heaven, but with God all things are possible."

also stop going to Jow Forums for spiritual advice, everyone here is a maladjusted child, you are quite literally getting 15 year olds to give you wisdom on your life course.

Read more, talk to humans in the flesh. this is the only way I ever progressed anywhere.

actions > words

golden rule, humility, strength, resolve, low expectations and high standards.

this
>t. ascended master

Herd mentality, think things out for yourself. You should be able to take in information from both sides and then discern hidden truths not offered by either side thru your own powers of perception and discernment.

I doubt it. Take your swing.

user, Do you know how many times I've "fallen away"? I'm finally back and for good this time. This is what happens sometimes to people, to christians. We're human, we're sinners. The reason why you're back isn't of your own accord, for your flesh wants nothing to do with God. God needled His way back into your heart and He brought you back.

This verse is one of the most misunderstood verses, right next to "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD".
Look at the name of the book. Hebrews. He was talking to jews who wanted to partake of the holy spirit yet keep their ways of the forgiveness of sins.

Most here will argue with me, but your His. NOTHING can snatch you from His hand. The fact you care even this much shows there is a work being done in you. Keep fighting user, because that's what this is. I'm in a constant battle with myself morning noon and night.
Remember, we have no strength on our own. I've finally learned that.

Hang in there, brother. I do love you.

>gulp up diarrhea in the name of cultivating a well rounded study of the facts

I didnt say being well rounded and hearing all sides is bad, I said stop breathing in shitgas looking for answers.

No Christian falls away from the faith. That would mean you actually had no faith in the first place, therefore were never a Christian.
Regeneration isn't about identifying yourself with the "christian" religion or any other lip service.
You'll know when you're really born.

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Catholics still hold that hell is a real place where you burn for eternity. That is part of the current catholic doctrine. Although, they also say now that members of other faiths can get to heaven.

Guilty of what?

Rejecting Jesus Christ is the sin of blaspheming the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Ghost ensured that you were told of Him. If you choose to reject Him, that's on you.
If you flounder around a bit before getting your head out of your ass, God understands.

To be safe for all eternity:
A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour. Repent. Turn away from your sin and toward Jesus.
B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for your sins and rose again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God. Trust in His finished work.
C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord.

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that image is so depressing

No, they really do hate Jesus.

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Here.

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Maybe today is the day to turn to a better Way.

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That's why that image is so depressing, I crawl back to Jesus, ask for forgiveness, stay good for a week or so. Then I drop it all and run off again only to crawl back regretting abandoning Christ.

Doesn't matter. At least you're trying, which is more than most can say.

It's not that you fell off the horse that matters. It's that you recognize you made a mistake, you were hurt in the process, and you're still alive to dust yourself off and keep going.

>now I am a Christian again
Yeah you're fucked. Believing in ancient Middle Eastern desert myths is a clear indication you're a mentally retarded adult at the level of a child for believing in Jewish fairytales.

>For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

You were never enlighted to begin with

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Continue read the passage further, “so long as today is today, encourage one another toward salvation.” Today is the day of salvation! Lord, I believe, help me with my unbelief.

based

We're sinners.
I'm not saying we should go out and sin abundantly, but it's what we do. We're flesh. Flesh will always be flesh. This is why Christ died.
WE CAN'T DO THIS ON OUR OWN.

the usual answer to 'what does this mean' is 'try reading it'

if you read, the subject matter here is that it isn't fruitful to constantly going over old, already established material, such as salvation by the death and ressurection of Christ

Paul is saying that you literally can't do this more than once, so OP is basically admitting to us that he wasn't a Christian the first, time, and might not be one this time either, because once you receive the Spirit of God, there is no longer any question about God's existence or actions

you're wrong. plain wrong.

In our immediate context of Hebrews 10:26 we see that many in the Hebrew-Christian community were still looking to the Old Testament sacrificial system (Hebrews 10:1-4) with its burnt offerings (Hebrews 10:6, 8), Temple work (Hebrews 10:19, 20), priesthood (Hebrews 10:21), and the Law of Moses (Hebrews 10:28). Obviously, many in the Hebrew-Christian community were still looking back to the Old Testament system and not depending on the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice. As stated in the opening paragraph, the writer is not addressing individuals but a larger group of people with a mix of believers and non-believers. Some who had received the knowledge of the truth of the complete sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ had not yet fully trusted in it and were dabbling with returning to the Old Testament sacrificial system.

We cannot assert that Hebrews 10:26 is written only to those who are saved. After all, how could they be saved if they are looking back to the old sacrificial system? But, without knowing exactly who is and is not trusting in Christ, the writer of Hebrews would generically address everyone and give the proper warning that if you go on sinning willfully (i.e., abandon the truth found in Christ and his sacrifice), then there will be no sacrifice for sins because Jesus' sacrifice is the only one that can take away sin (Hebrews 10:4, 12-18). That is why in verse 18 it says, "Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer an the offering for sin." He is telling us that when someone is forgiven, there's no longer a need for another offering as in the Old Testament type offerings. To reject Christ's sacrifice is to go on sinning willfully by remaining in the Old Testament sacrificial system. For those who do that, there is no longer sacrifice remaining for sin because for them Christ is not a sacrifice.

Therefore, when the writer said in Hebrews 10:26, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," he is talking about those who had received the knowledge of the truth but were rejecting it--not that they were saved and lost their salvation. To receive the knowledge of the truth does not mean they are saved. It means they received the knowledge of the truth of who Jesus was and what he did as well as the truth that "it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (Hebrews 10:4), and that God does not take pleasure in "whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins" (Hebrews 10:6). The writer wants them to trust in the only sacrifice for sins, which is Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and not return to the old sacrificial system.

why does any of that make me wrong?
isnt it possible that he meant both that they should stop looking at the old sacrificial systems, and also stop rehashing the same endless 'SALVATION BY CHRIST' which has been covered ten thousand times by now?
my reading seems more correct, for the simple reason that churches around the world are spiritually stagnant, still teaching the same baby-milk SALVATION BY CHRIST and never bothering to teach anything else in the Bible
most importantly, the advent and activities of Antichrist seems to be a matter of absolute importance, covered everywhere in the Bible, that no one bothers to study or teach

>Hebrews

THE WHOLE POINT OF SALVATION IS BY CHRIST YOU FUCKING IDIOT!

ageoflaodicea.com/hebrews/

As long as you repent and give your life to God again, you'll be welcomed in HeavenGet baptized again and mean it this time
Pray to God and Jesus, they will help sort out your life

I believe that this verse refers to the disciples of Christ. Just remember who turned you away and fight them with all your heart.

Please watch Ralph Yankee Arnold's response to these verses. It helped me to understand, you don't have anything to be afraid of if you've believed the gospel:
youtube.com/watch?v=2hnzPTvLYH0

Here's his gospel presentation:
youtube.com/watch?v=Wh1VU-_OF98

Basically, Hebrews 6:4-6 can be understood as talking about the hypothetical impossibility of someone losing their salvation and then getting saved again, which would mean Christ is sacrified again, and that's not going to happen.

Repent user, and turn to The Word...that is Yeshua, who is the Torah.

Look up Corner Fringe Ministries
The Way Biblical Fellowship
119 Ministries

If you truly want to come to the Truth, pursue the entirety of the Word. Don’t listen only to men, but test everything against the Word.

That's saying you certainly didn't know the spirit before.

And you may not know the spirit now -

but that could just as well be to your benefit. Consider this. God in His providence might know that even were you enlightened by the spirit, you would eventually reject it.

Many of us are still blind in many ways.

If you believe that Jesus was God. That He paid your debts - whatever they may be - and that He will remake you in time, then you're fine.

In short, it isn't up to you, it is up to God. But God is good. Just trust Him, and love Him. If you feel you messed up and instead of "loving" him you offended Him, just apologize. Grace isn't deserved, but definition. You don't earn it, only receive it. Even if you apologize for the same mistake (even the mistake of worrying over making mistakes),

Matthew 18 21-22

If we're expected to forgive boundlessly to those who ask, what more patience and grace should we expect from someone who by definition needs nothing?

Your debts are paid, brother. Rejoice!

>I used to be a Christian, became an atheist a few years ago, now I am a Christian again.

>So am I fucked now or what? Is there room in Heaven for me?

Probably not because you may have never been in the correct sect of Christianity to begin with. You may not even be in the correct sect now. You cannot reject what God already rejected himself long ago. You may have been damned the whole time but not of your own fault. So what sect were you and are you now?

whats the right one and why?

I'm a convert. I knew there was more to life then what was visible. I dabbled in the occult and even with Islam in high school. Made friends with Mormons, Baptist, and Calvinist. Since I was a kid to adulthood I studied the Bible with JW. Throughout all this time a degenerate. The JW interpretation was the only rational one and accurate to scripture. Now don't get me wrong I didn't take their word for it. I argued with them for 12 years and did my own personal research. At the age of 25 I was convinced I found the truth so I came in.

Jehovah's Witnesses are the truest and most purest form of Christianity similar to that of the 1st Century Christians. We are the only ones following the Bible to a tee.

Our primary message is that of God's Kingdom now ruling in heaven by Jesus Christ who has been enthroned as King. We use God's name and teach it to others openly. We are the only ones actively preaching the message from your local neighborhoods, your local businesses, to missionary work in the most distance lands in the world. All of this without shedding one drop of blood or firing one bullet at an enemy.

JW are the only Christian sect who's members have never participated in any major war throughout their 100+ year history. In fact, they were imprisoned in the LOLacaust for refusing to war for Hitler WHILE they were imprisoned in the US for refusing to war for the US. Right now, there are JW in prison in Uzebekistan, South Korea, and Armenia for refusing military service. A few months ago Russia officially banned their work for refusing to be nationalistic. They are the most innocent of all the sects.

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So I guess it’s not jews posting this bullshit then? Interesting.

but there are so anoying, they allways in my tain station and try to convince me. are you sure about that?

Yup, we are not trying to annoy you but what you intepret as "annoying" is really Jehovah God trying to "reel" you in. Jesus told his Apostles that he would teach them to be a "fisher of men." Just like a man struggles to reel in a fish so God struggles to reel you in but the rewards are worth it because the angels applaud when one sinner repents and accepts him.

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If you left Christianity you were not really Christian in the first place.
>Is there room in Heaven for me?
If you can be Christian for real this time, sure.

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i know, but i cant be joining them, not now, my family is atheistic and i live in one of the worlds degeneracy hotspots since 1914 i think it would could me of from my social life. i have my little jusus icone and pray occasionaly, also im not babtized and didnt acceptet jesus official cuz i dont want to sin after i did it but i know im a fucking degenerat myself and wouldnt manage not to sin

I don't have a verse for you, but I do know that salvation is an irrevocable gift for all of God's children. Even if you were to turn away from God, you would still live forever, but have fewer rewards in the coming age.

It's easy for cults to enforce moral codes. That's what the religion is, don't serve in the military and don't donate blood. Christianity means Jesus is God, so Christians don't have clear written guidance on these tiny issues other than the Holy Spirit.

>>For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery.

Mate, that verse is about the Jews going back to Judaism.
saviourofall.org/
martinzender.com/
bible-truths.com/
godsplanforall.com

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