ITT we discuss Truth.
What is truth? Is it ( like the commies belives ) a totally subjective term?
Can we 'make' our truth?
I don't think so.
Personally, i feel like those who REALLY holds the power, are the ones who lie, and reject truth.
On the other hand, lies always brings pain and misery in the future.
Lying is like taking a debt.
Sure, you have rigth now an immense power, but sooner or later, that will end.
Then you can say the truth, and face the consequences, or tell MOREm lies, gaining MORE power.
But that eventually runs out.
And the more lies go around, the more the 'debt' towards truth gets bigger.
The situation get SO bad, that after a certain ammount of lies are on our shoulder, we actually start REJECTING truth, and one man ( just armed with it ), can take down the greatest empires.
So, why do we lie then?
Cause in truth, there is no power.
No safety.
No stability.
/TEG/ - Truth Exploration General
Truth is harsh, and burns you, and force you to take the hard path.
Lying can prevent that.
You can lie, and create a new path, easier to follow, hell, even plaesant.
It's like building a bridge.. Sure, now you don't have to walk with your bare feets on the hard rocks, but you are away from them.
And the more you are away from them, the more nasty they look.
So you build more, and MORE bridges, on top on one another.
And then, all of that fall.
Why? Cause the bridges don't actually reinforce themseleves, they limit the stability of the structure.
So it falls.
And once more we are forced to walk, after getting up ( and breaking our noses after the fall ).
That's why, even tho Truth gives you a healty way forward, it's not often chosen.
Cause the power is held by those who lie, aven tho they don't deserve it.
And those in power always use a form or another of religion.
Why? To control people. To get MORE power.
That's why the government itself is the almost evil.
Cause it's the lie incarnated.
It doesn't exist! But ask a Russian who lived under the Soviet Union, and he will tell you that there is.
Hell, ask the chinks!
Hell, ask the burgers..
What do you guys think?
Discuss, if you want.
Truth of what? There's many truths.
read a book nigger
>There's many truths
Nope.
There is only ONE objective truth.
There are many OBSERVATION POINTS tho.
>Truth of what?
In general.
It's a constant concept.
There's no such a thing as the "unique truth" and there's many things about "truths". If you want the truth about a subject, so, you open the Google and search about it, that's the logical response.
Any suggestion?
>There is only ONE objective truth.
Nope, there's NO ONE objective truth, this is logical impossible, there's no only response that can solve all question.
>There's no such a thing as the "unique truth"
>If you want the truth about a subject, so, you open the Google and search about it
Wait, aren't you contraddicting yourself?
>unique truth
>a unique truth that solve all the problems
Wait, do you have perception about things?
>there's no only response that can solve all question
Oh, sure.
But i was talking about it in general.
For example, if i say "The sky toway was green", that would be a lie.
On the other hand, if i were to say "The sky today was blue" and "the sun is yellow", both are true, aren't they?
So, while they don't talk about the same universal answer, they refer to the same concept, no?
>Wait, do you have perception about things?
What do you mean?
So, it's a matter of logical question and scientific causes,
The sky have a greenish influence because of the sun, the sky was never green, but can be greenish in influence of the sun.
Self explanatory question
the complete works of plato
This is just your friendly reminder that Trump is a false hope and a zionist stooge. The elections are a fraud.
The only purpose they serve is to the (((elites))) who use them as a means to monitor the opinions of the masses. And thus provide a great opportunity to monitor the social conditioning and brainwashing that is inflicted on the population. With this knowledge they then make adjustments in policy to further cement their reign. Remember, all wars are won in the hearts and minds of the people, and the Jews practice a constant spiritual warfare against their host nation for control of it's destiny.
The left and right paradigm is a fraud that is designed to divide and conquer the population and stall all change via a yin-yang of tyranny. Except of course change which is (((permitted))).
Trump's election was used as a means for the kikes to study how the goyim could use a grass roots movement on the internet to overthrow their grip on the narrative. And now that the election has been thoroughly studied, the kikes are using this knowledge to censor every last avenue for free discussion they find.
This is why big-tech is Censoring you all across the internet. It is also why no politician will ever oppose them, because EVERY politician works for the same masters that google does. They only say they'll bust the trusts to give you false hope and thus placate you. Just like the border wall and repealing DACA have not occurred, the regulation of these tech companies will NEVER be happen. They keep playing this trick on you emotionally driven idiots over and over and you never learn.
Spread the truth, then fight back. This is the only way to freedom from (((them))).
I remain incredulous of the alleged capability of human beings to be objective. This is not to imply that there is no such thing as objective truth, simply that it is beyond the scope of human understanding.
Both "sides" of the left/right paradigm are controlled by either the rich or the yids. Usually both.
They exist to siphon energy, hope, and anger from the goy-cattle populations into a controlled Yin Yang of tyranny where the roughly 50/50 divide between "left" and "right" causes that energy to be funneled against it's self and thus cancelled out. Democracy functions as a pressure release valve, an outrage nullifier, and a massive divide and conquer ploy all at the same time in order to take the heat off those who actually control things from behind the scenes.
Since our modernday society is so completely heavily controlled, the only real solution to nearlly all our problems is to kill the (((elites))). They know this, hence why """democracy""" was enacted as a smoke screen for them and to direct the outrage of the masses away from them.
>it's a matter of logical question and scientific causes
I had a feeling you migth have gone there.
And again, i haven't said that there aren't MANY point of wiews from where a dude can observe the truth, but in the end the reality of the situaion is just one, no?
Also, where the fuck do you live to see a green sky, under a nuclear reactor?
>Self explanatory question
Explain yourself more then.
Give context.
"Treat others as you wish to be treated" is not the golden rule of life, it's a sham told to stupid, domesticated, peasants by the rich and powerful. Those in power know that life is a competition.
The real golden rule is as follows:
Might makes right and survival of the fittest ALWAYS come back into the equation. God does not exist. There is no altruism in politics.
Any ideology or person that tells you otherwise is either knowingly or unknowingly full of shit.
>i haven't said that there aren't MANY point of wiews from where a dude can observe the truth
Well, to the truth be revealed, there's a need from a observation, across the thought of observation and the conclusions, there's the truth :
The sky was never green, but can be greenish and yellowish because of the sun influence.
>Explain yourself more then.
Do you have problem of perception? Just read what i said.
Well said.
Get this pseudo-spiritual bullshit out of here.
There's a lot more but most of Jow Forums would hate It
I migth check them out.
Actually im reading Atlas Shrugged now, but after that i ll check them out!!
Meh, who cares?
In the end they are books, so worth at least to check out.
That's not what it's for....
Truth is simple to understand. It's flawed humans who try to make Truth into something it's not.
Hey, give it a shot.
As long as it isn't a commie book i ll check them out.
But i won't touch books on comunism, i don't like slavery.
>Trump's election was used as a means for the kikes to study how the goyim could use a grass roots movement on the internet to overthrow their grip on the narrative. And now that the election has been thoroughly studied, the kikes are using this knowledge to censor every last avenue for free discussion they find.
That's so fucking stupid and (((pilpull))). The internet was censored way before Trump. That's why 8ch Jow Forums became popular because even Jow Forums was doing it.
Trump
>Created anti-media sentiment
>anti-war sentiment
>anti-mexico
>anti-China
All of this did not exist before Trump. It was (((Neocons))) vs. (((Dems))). People didn't even know what Nationalism or Globalism was. Faggot
Much easier to be fooled if you believe you or other humans are the arbiters of Truth.
There it is.
I was basically referring to that concept.
Thanks, man.
Did Plato believe in one universal truth, by the way?
Gibs spoilers.
>read (((Gnosticism)))
This is a truth thread. Not a NWO religion escapism anti-matterial anti-realism thread.
middle age hermeticum & kaballah was was funded and patronized by the crypto-jewish medici dynasty as a disinformation plot to mislead and placate the masses, wrest financial power from the catholic church through destabilization, & wrest power from the orthodox jewish financial families that were impeding the advancement of immoral usury.
That's why you read it and think you understand the vague symbolism, or believe that if you did one bit more you are going to get to the secret nugget of information that will help you ascend to the higher socioeconomic classes either mentally or physically. It's not going to happen, it was a dead-end from the start and a forgery.
Sorry to have to put it to you. I went further than you down that road & I found out after many years. The truth is elsewhere
Saved.
Very informative read.
To be 100% honest tho: weren't fascists basically the same as commies?
Hell, Mussolini here in Italy is the faggot who made the state gets 100% bigger, and made it so that women looked at it as a surrogate husband before the time ( the artificial womb ).
So that puts them in faggot tier list imo..
I mean, am i wrong?
I'm not as familiar with Plato as I would like to be so I can't answer that.
There is the Law of One, where basically everything, all of us, the entire universe is a singular consciousness. If you thought of Truth as one thing, it could be the set of all things that have happened or are happening in the universe, as well as all the conscious beings' and their varied experiences.
If truth isn't based on the perception of human beings, so, how could a human being, after the sentence, explain what truth is? And so, this definition of truth is basically the definition of the history? So, is based on the perception of human being.
>They exist to siphon energy, hope, and anger from the goy-cattle populations into a controlled Yin Yang of tyranny where the roughly 50/50 divide between "left" and "right" causes that energy to be funneled against it's self and thus cancelled out.
Good point, but it appears social liberalism (gay/tranny rights, anti-racism exact) is winning out.
> I can't answer that
Muh knowledge gibz..
Im sad now.
Jk.
>There is the Law of One, where basically everything, all of us, the entire universe is a singular consciousness
Huh. That sounds like what one a pirest here in Italy said, Giordano Bruno.
Also, once i saw a video where i felt like a muslim was trying to say that.
Is there any correlation, or am i beyond stupid?
>If you thought of Truth as one thing, it could be the set of all things that have happened or are happening in the universe, as well as all the conscious beings' and their varied experiences
Sadly, im too stupid to udnerstand that.
Can you explain it more, maybe in a different way?
Also, since you looks like the guy who use Passio's immages, are you the one who once didn't know how to download?
If so, check this out:
>beebom.com
So, based on the definition of history, is based on the definition of knowledge, which a one specific knowledge cannot be universal to all questions, so it's separate.
The only "truth" is disparity.
"Disparity" in the broadest sense covering all inequalities in general as ONE principle. On par with saying "the truth is 1", we know that the one can be composed of many parts. Each part may not be equal to another...a disparity. What I mean by that is that there's a requirement for disparity in order for change to occur in the first place.
If everyone is rich then nobody is
If everyone is tall then nobody is
If everyone is good looking then nobody is.
Hence
"Disparity".
It's not the bad connotation associated with the word, just a necessity for change. The parts imitate the one and are therefore NOT THE ONE, they are in DESPAIR of THE ONE.
That particular definition is one meant for English speaking humans, but the meaning behind it doesn't require humans to even exist for it to be true. Events happen whether humans are there or whether they record them or not. What we usually refer to as "history" is narrative, with lots of wishful and magical thinking.
And the discussion on this thread confirm, by empirical experience, that there's not only "truth to all things", but many definition of what it is.
>If everyone is rich then nobody is
>If everyone is tall then nobody is
>If everyone is good looking then nobody is
Huh.
What an interesting concept.
I mean, it's true, hell it's why the retarded commie utopia won't exist, cause the moment everione is the same, we are all slaves, no?
The same in the dirt under a government of our "betters".
I mean, fuck that.
your wrong and i am wrong for wasting a response on you
>Good point, but it appears social liberalism (gay/tranny rights, anti-racism exact) is winning out.
It's not solely about creating a kosher Yin-Yang, it's also used as a vehicle to push social conditioning on the masses. The current push for SJW/anti-white/pro-diversity is being done to lower the average IQ of European nations and to take flakk away from leftists pointing a finger at the greed of the rich.
Most SJW shit started getting pushed at around the same time as the Occupy Wallstreet movement.
>set of all things
Just an abstract collection of all events and entities. Sort of like, if you could watch the entire duration of the universe in a movie, that movie would be the truth. Some think the universe is a simulation, the simulation would be the one Truth.
Passio is awesome and could better explain. I HIGHLY recommend listening to ALL episodes of his podcast.
>your wrong
How so?
If i am mistaken, please, correct me!
Of course, that, if there's no humans, the history of the planet gonna exists,but if there's no humans, there's no conscience to provide and to creat "what is truth", "is truth a narrative", "is truth a history", so "the definition of truth", which isn't concrete, stop existing by lack of conscience.
>If everyone is rich then nobody is
I disagree, if they all have a large amount of wealth than technically they are all "rich" or "well off" from a materialistic standpoint. There is an objective difference compared to a bunch of people who are well fed and those who are all too poor to afford food.
>isn't potato salad the same a peanut butter?
>please spend time educating me and explaining history, and I will be pedantic and unable to understand nuance.
read a book pasta nigger
>Passio is awesome and could better explain. I HIGHLY recommend listening to ALL episodes of his podcast
I ll look at it.
You, on the other hand, look here, as i told you:
>beebom.com
Gibz suggestions!
Wrong on so many levels lol
Truth is the stuff the group leader can sell you to make the group work.
Likewise truth changes over time, because groups cannibalize their foundational existence (the leader cannibalizes the group ressources to stay in power).
Truth thus is what the majority believe may not be wrong by ideology.
Actually groups work by lies, because you need a common believement system [also money is one] to make big groups to work with another.
Liberalism,Socialism and Nationalism + scientificism or religionism decide the groups behavior.
-> This reflects Sokrates simpler model of Demos, Dictator and Oligarchism.
Currently we are in state of Oligarchism, because working class and middle class is seperated.
Google does intentionally slow down reCAPTCHA for censorship on /pol.
>Wrong on so many levels lol
How so?
There's economically differences, unification perceptions, the communal and the private.
>Might makes right and survival of the fittest ALWAYS come back into the equation.
Sad but true. What this basically means (if you really think about it) is that pain makes you strong and pleasure/happiness makes you weak. That's really depressing to think about.
>I disagree, if they all have a large amount of wealth than technically they are all "rich" or "well off" from a materialistic standpoint. There is an objective difference compared to a bunch of people who are well fed and those who are all too poor to afford food.
No, what I am saying is that if everyone on the planet were rich then there would be no rich people. In monetary terms, the money would become worthless, useless.
likewise if everyone were poor then no one would be. They'd all be equal. What I am basically saying is that "there are no equals" there is always a disparity.
Even magnets and electricity only work if there's a disparity. "North south", "Cathode, anode"? Yeah....but they're still working as ONE thing (a magnet and a battery).
Yeaaa...
I mean, sure, there ARE differences..
But it's the same as saying that 2 dogs are different.
Sure they are, but they still are both Dogs, aren't they?
And they still worship the state, no?
"The Doctrine of Fascism" by Giovanni Gentile
Weakness turns to pain and pain turns to happiness and the cycle is going.
By the way, if you have wathed Passio, do you know about symbolism?
If so, can you answer this: ?
excerpt:
REJECTION OF MARXISM
Such a conception of life makes Fascism the resolute negation of the doctrine underlying so-called scientific and Marxian socialism, the doctrine of historic materialism which would explain the history of mankind in terms of the class struggle and by changes in the processes and instruments of production, to the exclusion of all else.
That the vicissitudes of economic life - discoveries of raw materials, new technical processes, and scientific inventions - have their importance, no one denies; but that they suffice to explain human history to the exclusion of other factors is absurd. Fascism believes now and always in sanctity and heroism, that is to say in acts in which no economic motive - remote or immediate - is at work. Having denied historic materialism, which sees in men mere puppets on the surface of history, appearing and disappearing on the crest of the waves while in the depths the real directing forces move and work, Fascism also denies the immutable and irreparable character of the class struggle which is the natural outcome of this economic conception of history; above all it denies that the class struggle is the preponderating agent in social transformations. Having thus struck a blow at socialism in the two main points of its doctrine, all that remains of it is the sentimental aspiration, old as humanity itself-toward social relations in which the sufferings and sorrows of the humbler folk will be alleviated. But here again Fascism rejects the economic interpretation of felicity as something to be secured socialistically, almost automatically, at a given stage of economic evolution when all will be assured a maximum of material comfort.
Isn't the same justly because of the differences, if they are equal even being different, so, based on this logic, a human and a stone have no difference.
>so, based on this logic, a human and a stone have no difference
And you think that the logic that you just used can be justly compared to my Dog's similitudies?
I mean, if you want to be a cheeky bastard, sure, but i think we quite understand what the message behind it was..
>I think A is B
>ok, explain things to me
>everything you said i am going to ignore
oh, so you are retarded
>And you think that the logic that you just used can be justly compared to my Dog's similitudies?
No, a better one would be a black person and a white person, it is conffirmed the genetic differences, as well, the bones structures, but there's differences, it is not equal.
>Italian flag
>Came to troll about facism
it really is that easy.
Kabbalah is practiced within Judaism
>Anti pure materialism
Sounds good.
>Pro heroes
Sounds good
>No retarded class truggle
Sounds good
>But here again Fascism rejects the economic interpretation of felicity as something to be secured socialistically, almost automatically, at a given stage of economic evolution when all will be assured a maximum of material comfort.
I mean.. That's not 100% wrong.
Wealthy people are more depressed than people who are more poor, but those same poor people have a more "rich" life for thier children and people around them..
So.. Good, i guess.
Even if the green ain't bad.
Again, my big problem with Fascism, and socialism, is the state.
If it's too big it don't work.
Monopolys are the cancer of human's civilizations.
Agree, much better.
Yea, on the genetic level a black dude and a white dude migth be different, but they are both human.
The same with Socialism/commies and fascism.
I mean, they sure love to put themselves over a barrel and worship the supreme power of the state..
Gnosis is Truth I learned it and I Know AMA
HAIL ZEUS
Truth is knowledge. Possess the most knowledge and you will know the most truth. Censorship happens in all failing authoritarian societies because they know the truth will destroy them.
Both savages and sociopaths care not for the truth and should be destroyed wherever possible.
Stfu this isn’t a slide thread, stupid bitch ass titty.
Are we talking about epistemology? If so, I'm in. If we're talking about gay pseudo-philosophical esotericism, go away faggot.
But there's a need in authoritarian, Germany now would be better in a nazi society or now, that there's liberation, free immigrants, a lot of gayness and other's degenerations?
Firstly my interest in esoteric literature is
Mainly academic rather than practical and secondly don't presume the extent
Of my knowledge in this subject I was simply giving some easy suggestions
For the normies don't act like such a condescending prick
Your English is a little broken but are you asking if Germany is better now or back in NatSoc Germany? Of course it's the latter, and that's because NatSoc was a pro-citizen movement. Both suffer from censorship, but the difference was that the NatSocs were using it as a temporary measure to destroy texts containing deadly Marxist ideals that we now know to be dreadful and full of lies. I would prefer that citizens would simply be knowledgable and reject evil ideologies, but I know that NatSoc Germany required this as a temporary fix. They did not burn a single book that was filled with truth, they did not censor a single fact
Also, stop using that kike term "nazi". They were National Socialists.
Checked. Pure digits
Fascism is socialism without class conflict. It demands something from the masses in order to live, while under communism everything you need is theoretically handed to you
>"truth is knowledge"
>"They did not burn a single book that was filled with truth"
>"NatSocs were using it as a temporary measure to destroy texts containing deadly Marxist ideals"
So, basically you agree with a authoritarian society and agree with the savages and sociopaths that don't care about the truth.
The problem with this board is that you get shouted down as a "shill" or "kike". If you express a view which goes against the consensus that exists on this board. It is amazing how a herd mentality forms on website and on others. This site in many ways is like reddit except with a different ideological consensus.
It is a unique context and I think a NatSoc society, going forward would have had no more need to censor. They have been measured by history and found to be the superior ideology, for now.
The best part of truth is that you have to be worthy to really see it . So all the rich powerful man can have this world but they would throw it away for 1 min in nirvana.
Knowledge is the collection of truths*
>I think a NatSoc society, going forward would have had no more need to censor. They have been measured by history and found to be the superior ideology, for now.
It must be bliss living in such fucking ignorance.
National Socialism tolerated no dissenting opinions, no other political parties. People were encouraged to report on neighbours who insulted Hitler or the party. German children were asked by NSDAP teachers on what their parents said about Hitler or the party. The entirety of German society was politicised, even going to the movies you were subjected to government propaganda. This is what happens in totalitarian societies like Nazi Germany and Stalinist USSR, the modern equivalent being North Korea.
The National Socialist regime of Germany has been judged by history and is now dust.
Truth is necessarily fundamental. If truth is not fundamental all you need is illustrate any opposing claim is self defeating by asking "Is that true".
In this, lies are sandy foundations. Unless you build on truth, you only bring yourself to ruin.
Your claims that in truth there is no safety, nor stability, simply put, are not true. You're starting on the presupposition that we lied. Legit, this is a good base assumption, but acknowledging it has happened is not justification for more lies. Lies corrupt, but only truth is exclusive. Ultimately, is removes lies from itself by definition.
Be in truth. Be truthful. Anything else is literally nothing. Worse than nothing. It is self destructive, and it destroys the other. The only hope is that Truth has a name, and is willing to reveal itself that the lies be cast out.
>found to be the superior ideology, for now.
You also say it is the "superior ideology".
Is it superior to let one man run your country and war effort?
Is having an infallible absolute ruler superior form of governance? Considering the disastrous decisions Hitler made, overruling his Generals such as on the eastern front?
>The problem with this board is that you get shouted down as a "shill" or "kike". If you express a view which goes against the consensus that exists on this board. It is amazing how a herd mentality forms on website and on others. This site in many ways is like reddit except with a different ideological consensus.
If your comment is too intelligent, you will never get replies. Board is full of idiots that will never get anything done politically.
Decide for yourself, if thats good or bad.
Every system can only be judged by if it works and exactly how good in terms of efficiency it was.
If you have no mathematical measure, screw you.
Hitlers fuckups in war and (war) science are well known, so that speaks for itself.
>What evidence does he have that these secret societies have "Turned" aka failed?
>Jewish ass kissing
>Admits to being a kike around page 20
Okay so this whole article is unbelievable since I should always do the opposite of what the jew says.
anyone found truth yet ill look ove rhere
>Might makes right and survival of the fittest ALWAYS come back into the equation. God does not exist. There is no altruism in politics.
Funny because this is the exact philosophy of the elites. The humanist koolaid they dish out is just sedative to the masses. They are deceivers.
Truth is, even the strongest will to power will bite it's teeth out on the truth. Even if you manage to subdue and sway the perceptions of many, there's always a sizable amount of people who confront you with truth no matter what. Jow Forums is testament to this.