I was a white nationalist from about mid 2015 - early 2017.
Here's what got me into it: - Fetishizing nation-states - Associating non-white people with political ideas I didn't like - Near social-isolation and excessive leisure time that caused me to excessively dwell on the two things above
Here's what got me out of it: - Sheer difficulty and destructiveness of creating a white ethno-state in the U.S. - Inability to completely disassociate myself from non-white people; I had non-white friends for pretty much the entirety of my white nationalist phase - Inability to rationally justify white nationalism
Interestingly, I never went on Jow Forums or even heard of it during the entirety of this phase, and rarely even visited far-right wing sites like Breitbart.
I'm curious as to how Jow Forums users got into far-right ideas like white nationalism.
Not being allowed to believe it as a child I suppose. I am mostly an anti-feminist and an anti-Semite. I always assumed that separatism would lead to less racism overall. The town I grew up in and still reside in is extremley liberal and Ive always hated how they never accept any other ideas. I wanted to challenge that idea aswell pushing their buttons. I never had a group to be proud of irl like you OP, and I suppose being proud of my race, sex and sexuality are things that made me feel like I was part of something larger. Also the symbols are cool kek
>I always assumed that separatism would lead to less racism overall.
The main issues I eventually realized with trying to separate different groups would be the logistical issues trying to do so, the social and economic chaos the would likely ensue, as well as the arbitrariness of using ethnicity as a basis for separating people. As much as I wanted to create an ideal 'nation-state', I eventually had to grapple with the fact that it was in my best interests to just coexist with my non-white neighbors.
This map should give an idea of just how mixed some areas are and how difficult it would be to separate them:
I grew up in Palmdale, CA, which is located about 60 mi north of Los Angeles. As the map shows, it was pretty diverse.
>I'm curious as to how Jow Forums users got into far-right ideas like white nationalism. Well, I "inherited" my hate of niggers from my parents. Through observation and literature, later realized that they were not the only cause. Saw that the world around me was shitter than I had previously though. Realized that much of recent history's "rights" and "wrongs" were the result of a continuous stream of propaganda that had been ever-present since even before WWII. Became a white nationalist after a after comparing the path we could have taken, with the path we are currently on, and embraced National Socialism after seeing it as the optimal system of government and optimal path for the survival of my race. >Sheer difficulty and destructiveness of creating a white ethno-state in the U.S. As difficult as times may be, the beacon of hope remains ever bright. Weakness will only serve as the filter for those who are too weak-willed to fight for the cause. Hard times make strong men, user. >Inability to completely disassociate myself from non-white people; I had non-white friends for pretty much the entirety of my white nationalist phase Loosing a friend is nothing compared to achieving our dream. Being discouraged by something as minuscule as the loss of a friend only serves to show your weakness. You never truly embraced our ideals, hence you never truly understood our goal. >Inability to rationally justify white nationalism The survival of one's people, the continuance of one's line in an untainted environment.
Daniel Rivera
Forgot to change name, don't mind that
Jordan Jones
>anti-feminism ^this
Jose Clark
Reality got me into it. You didn’t “get out” you just chose to ignore reality.
Luke Martinez
You don't have to hate nonwhites to be a WN, retard. White nationalist =/= wigger nationalist
Landon Long
>The main issues I eventually realized with trying to separate different groups would be the logistical issues trying to do so You make non-Whites leave, by order of the law. Most will just leave, and the few who don’t are killed. This isn’t difficult nor is it complicated. We deported 2 million Hispanics 100 years ago and we didn’t even have computers and the Internet to help.
Jason Miller
Many of those Hispanics were citizens by birth, btw. OP’s apathy is just retarded.
Parker Bennett
>Be "white nationalist" >Blame (insert minority/ethnicity) for cause of (insert issue) >Draw fear from the people and have laws passed through "lawful legislation" >Profit????????? That deportation (Mexican Repatriation) was a horrid excuse for unemployment during the Great Depression..............
Jaxon Jenkins
>The survival of one's people, the continuance of one's line in an untainted environment.
The issue I eventually encountered here is what exactly constitutes 'one's people', and why should it be so important to care just for their well-being. Race and ethnicity are social constructs. For example, I have met Hispanics born in a Latin country, who speak with a thick accent, and have deep cultural connections to their homeland, as well as native-born Hispanics who speak English as their native language and speak little no or Spanish, in addition to having a much stronger cultural connection to the United States than to their 'homeland'. I've encountered this sort of phenomenon with pretty much every racial group I've met, even whites. Culture is the only meaningful 'distinction' that pertains to race, and culture, by definition, is learned and not genetically inherited. Besides, is interaction with other cultures can be good and expand one's horizons.
In addition to this, one can continue one's own line regardless of whether or not blacks and browns or present. Besides physical appearance and a few cultural things, is there a significant difference between continuing your family line via a black woman as opposed to a white woman?
Samuel Diaz
Why is his apathy retarded? It's completely normal.
Isaiah Bennett
>this
Joseph James
>Race and ethnicity are social constructs. Nigger, you're ignoring fucking reality. There is clear differentiation between, on a genetic level, between different groups of people. You refuse to use your brain's greatest tool, pattern recognition. The tainting of you line, if you are white, is a biological downgrade no matter which way you put it. > is there a significant difference between continuing your family line via a black woman as opposed to a white woman? >Nigger You get half human kids that are inferior to whites in intelligence and physical viability due to outbreeding depression. >White No genetic abnormalities due to outbreeding depression. Intelligence on par with those of your race. No physical abnormalities due to outbreeding depression
Chase Foster
it comes with a fundamental truth, micro evolution affect the human brain and different human ethnicity vary in intelligence to to their biology.
How do you deal with the conflict between your beliefs that race has a significant effect on intelligence, physical abilities, etc. and the overwhelming scientific consensus that this is not the case? To get an idea of what scientists say, here are the first two sentences from Wikipedia's article on scientific racism: "Scientific racism (sometimes referred to as race biology), is the pseudoscientific belief that empirical evidence exists to support or justify racism (racial discrimination), racial inferiority, or racial superiority. Historically, scientific racist ideas received credence in the scientific community but are no longer considered scientific." (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism).
Even when I was a white nationalist, I don't recall that I believed there were significant biological differences between different racial groups. My beliefs were based more on culture than biology.
Carter Adams
I always find it odd when so-called 'white nationalists' or 'white supremecists' watch anime. When I was a white nationalist, I specifically avoided anime because it wasn't 'Western' or 'American'.
Connor Morales
>was Why did you stray the light of truth user?
Julian Campbell
As you can see in my other posts, including the OP, I found that the 'light of truth' turned out to be not-so-truthful.
Hudson Stewart
I do not believe you. I am a non-white in a non-white country, here is absolute shit no matter the culture, you can try several times but it is impossible to change. If culture was a factor, it was already practiced by several authoritarian governments throughout history. Culture is simply the genes of every people.
Henry Rogers
Literally none of this is true, or even backed up scientific evidence. This is what happens when you're a hick that gets all your information from Jow Forums and reactionary YT videos.
Michael Cooper
You’re a liar and shill.
Pre-2015 everyone was a libertarian. Trump had like 25%-30% support with the country. Then the migrant crisis hit Europe with the rape gangs, SJW craziness in university peaked, and the left went batshit over trump.
Then after 2016, the right and white nationalists started cross pollenating. As a Republican/libertarian is instinctually hated Hollywood libs, federal reserve, NYT/CNN/MSN, and the war machine. Once you realize that literally all of these things are jews... there is no going back.
WW2 was about Germany trying to free itself from the bank because people were starving. The Rothschild/Warburg/Stearns/Goldman Sachs/Suisse/Lehman brother Cartel if banks made sure the war happened. Just like the US war machine will make war on iran for having a independent money system.
It’s all bankers and their money. We are cattle to them. If you were one of us, you would know this.... and that they are Jews.
Tyler Jones
So are you, as a non-white person, saying that non-white people are inferior to white people? Interesting...
the history channel... funnily enough they don't show history on it anymore, wonder why??
Cooper Rivera
I have never been much of an anti-semite, even when I was a white nationalist. Back then, I generally just saw Jews as white. Additionally, I always saw those "Jews are controlling everything" claims as mere conspiracy theories, and I have yet to see any good evidence for such claims.
Henry Adams
The fact that this is the best response you have makes me think that this whole thread is a massive larp.
You deny that >There is clear differentiation between, on a genetic level, between different groups of people. Why are Pygmies short then? Why can I do a 23andme test and find out where my ancestors are from?
Thomas Jackson
The Left. As a naive teen I assumed the Left just wanted things to be nice for people within countries, but didn't want to significantly change the demographics of countries. I was willing to support that. Turns out they hate Western countries with a burning passion (and White people in particular) and want immigration from non-White areas to turn Whites into minorities everywhere they exist in the world, and remove the sovereignty and self-determination of nations. Also they hate that men and women are different, hate the traditional family unit, despise heterosexual parenthood and sexual restraint/moderation, and wish to indoctrinate children into hedonism and perversion. Fuck them, and fuck you OP for your shitty larp thread.
>What got you into white nationalism, anti-feminism, anti-Semitism, far-right politics, etc.? The Left.
Parker Butler
Racial voting patterns were what first got my attention, then I filled in the biological knowledge gap and saw the immutability of it all. At that point a cursory glance at history will tell you white nationalism is the only conclusion. That was all a few years ago. Now I'm just trying to figure out what's the biggest positive mark I can make on our collective situation
Gabriel Barnes
I'm not a religious person and I don't plan to be, but the book Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth gave me ideas. Basically, insular communities, militant childbearing, and endogamy.
Jack Kelly
I started watching edgy videos on YouTube. I thought racist jokes were pretty funny. I was influenced by people that made fun of sjws and political correctness. I always thought liberal ideas were retarded and some quiz I took in school said my ideology is conservative. Pol made me more radicalized for a while. I unironically believed most of the civil war and ethnic state memes. After a while I realized that most of you cunts don't have my best interest in mind. I broke my foot and I went into debt because I didn't have a good medical plan. I want to continue going to college but it's too expensive. This board is full of boomers who call me entitled and lazy just because I'm young. This whole place is a boomer pay ops to trick young people into paying for boomer trips to Hawaii and leeching off social security. The old fucks believe that no one should get government services except them.
Ayden Hall
>- Sheer difficulty and destructiveness of creating a white ethno-state in the U.S. >Wahhhh survival is too difficult Kys
Asher Stewart
Being constantly under censorship growing up.
Brayden Perez
This is a joke, right? Is this some kind of l*ftyp*l raid?
Caleb Cook
Stop replying to this guy. He's just a jew trying to promote racemixing. The thread seemed promising, but then the cat came out of the bag. There's been so many threads that show blacks have lower IQ, smaller brain, commit more crime everywhere, conflict in every multicultural country etc etc all with scientific evidence. Don't even bother discussing here. And OP, if you're not a jew then lurk more.
Luis Ramirez
>Besides physical appearance and a few cultural things What are you, some kind of creationist who denies evolution? It's science, sweetie. Franz Boas wasn't a scientist, and you were never a white nationalist. Sage and kys
Because it's a dumbass shill you shouldn't reply to. Stop assuming people come here in good faith
Caleb Moore
I also hate the fact that niggers and spics get Gibs as well. I believe in socialism only for people who are supposed to be here. We also need to put a bullet in every boomer and throw them in an unmarked ditch. Most are traitors who got us into this mess.
Angel Brooks
>hate both the left and the right >told my entire life this guy named Hitler is really bad >most hated person in history >”don’t read his book goyim” >there has to be an ideology out that that opposes communism >read mein kampf >also not gay
Eli Morris
I used to be a white nationalist when i was 14 as well, but i grew out of it
Owen Perry
Ron Paul
Brandon Bailey
Howdy, Yair
Ayden Ward
>Turns out they hate Western countries with a burning passion (and White people in particular) and want immigration from non-White areas to turn Whites into minorities everywhere they exist in the world, and remove the sovereignty and self-determination of nations.
What I eventually realized is that you can tolerate or even want immigration (non-white or otherwise) without wishing ill on the native population. Besides, at least economically, immigration has been shown to be fairly beneficial to the United States. "A survey of leading economists shows a consensus behind the view that high-skilled immigration makes the average American better off. A survey of the same economists also shows strong support behind the notion that low-skilled immigration makes the average American better off." (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Economic)
>Also they hate that men and women are different
I used to dislike feminism because I perceived it as 'man-hating'. In reality, I learned that women can gain more rights and become equal to men without harming men in any way. Here's one article that explains some misconceptions regarding feminism: thedailybeast.com/you-dont-hate-feminism-you-just-dont-understand-it
>despise heterosexual parenthood and sexual restraint/moderation
I used to be opposed to homosexuality, but it was because I thought it was immoral not so much because I thought it was 'anti-hetero' or whatever. But like with women's rights, gay rights can be promoted without harming hetero-rights.
As for sexual restraint/moderation, my views regarding that are still a bit up in the air. However, I will say that, overall, my views on sex are more liberal than they used to be.
Josiah Lopez
Yes, economics is all that matters. Got to keep that GDP up, up, up! The women that get raped and assaulted are just collateral damage for the capitalist class.
Benjamin Gonzalez
It probably started with my parenting, as my Indonesian-Dutch colonist parents are really racist. My friends were really right wing as well. And as I kid I thought it was the norm and everyone thought the same about these things, just like me. Only later in life I realized a lot of native Dutch people in the bigger cities think drastically different. When some kids in university said they thought it was pretty courageous that I spoke out about such ideas I started to realize that I lived in a parallel society.
Hunter Myers
Alex Jones
Chase Powell
But considering the amount of right wing leaders here that are Indo's, like Bolkestein, Geert Wilders and Thierry Baudet, I imagine a lot of us had the same experience lol.
Carter Green
>i realized it was in my best interest to coexist with my non white neighbours
It's not about you, it is about them. Your grandchildren. It is abouf the contract between the dead, the living, and those yet to be born.
Connor Carter
One of my buddys was a ex military AN enforcer, few other friends were into WN stuff, jew was the biggest insult me & my friends would call each other when we were little. Just kind of grew out of all that shit, settling down w/ senpai & whatnot
Nathan Scott
I wasn't aware that's where they were from, interesting.
Daniel Johnson
Sup
Owen Adams
Also this
Loving my family doesn't mean hating my neighbour
Hudson Flores
Don't think I've forgotten what you tweeted about Ceuta and Melilla
Benjamin Adams
No one's falling for this you leaking tranny poof. Dilate.
Even the parents of our Prime Minister, who's from the most economically right wing party, his parents lived in Indonesia. I think the people from the colonies maybe just missed a large part of the cultural transition that happened in the Netherlands. And in Indonesia a racial hierarchy existed where Europeans were the ruling class and basically represented The Netherlands.
Gavin Murphy
So certain genes associated with greater intelligence are more common in Europeans than with Africans. How do you know there aren't also genes associated with greater intelligence that are more common in Africans than in Europeans? How significant is this supposed gap in intelligence is between white and black people. Even if there is, say, on average, a 10 IQ gap between white people and black people, would that really justify treating black people any different? Besides, I'm pretty sure there's more variation in IQ within races than there are between them.
Julian Hernandez
Jews have tried to kill me since my childhood. I also hate indians/hispanics. They are the true menace.
Cameron Green
>Associating non-white people with political ideas I didn't like Which is statistically the right thing to do.
>Inability to rationally justify white nationalism What made that difficult? I agree that creating an ethnostate in the current year would be very difficult, but white nationalism is rather easy to justify rationally, be it through game theory, statistics (such as nonwhites voting for shit parties in overwhelming numbers, as you acknowledge), observing the failures of multiethnic societies or any other mechanism you'd like.
Hudson Garcia
>Ceuta and Melilla I don't care.
Brody Foster
>What made you far-right
Aristotle. All you faggots praising Hitler are retards, if you want success with normies just point out that the bedrock foundation of Western civilistion is based on masculinity which is in turn based on ethno-nationalism. "Patriotic" comes from "Pater" for a reason.
When I starting obsessing about Japan, and how they’re letting in more and more immigrants and “temporary” workers. Hitler said the Japanese were honorary Aryans. I now believe that Japanese are the most beautiful superior race in the world. They are untouched (for now) by feminism, political correctness, diversity and multiculturalism. I have been obsessing to the point where I can barely sleep, I’ve lost ~12lbs this month, and I cannot think about anything else. I considered doing the following, but I do not know how I could possibly pull such a thing off.
1.) Get my degree so I can move and work in Japan. 2.) Join a small political party with similar views. 3.) Grow the party by spreading the idea of solving Japan’s birth rate issue, and making Japan more self sufficient. 4.) Feed into the people’s pre existing fears of immigrants and minorities. If it comes to it, hire low level criminals to commit small crimes and pin the blame on these workers and minorities. 5.) Feed into fear more and more, and grow the group to the point where we can rival the current party. 6.) We take office, and get people into all levels of government. 7.) We fix the birth rate issue at the core, deport all non ethnic Japanese, and slowly get rid of the mixed people by deportation w/o consent, or sterilize them. Cut down immigrants, and keep a tight fix on them. Make Japan self sufficient, and preserve the Japanese bloodline.
Do you have any evidence that immigrants make natives less safe? Besides, the statistics I've seen show that immigrants, both legal and illegal commit fewer crimes than natives.
>Inability to rationally justify white nationalism Higher social cohesion. Better racial relations. >I generally just saw Jews as white They're Semitic, therefore on the same level as Arabs. Arabs are not white. Race is not skin deep. >Consensus says race doesn't exist We should have ignored Galileo then, the consensus back then stated he was wrong. It doesn't matter how many people believe the truth. It will still remain the truth. >Race and ethnicity are social constructs Laws, rights, culture, money, equality - all social constructs. Should we do away with them?
Everything you say makes me believe you were never a white nationalist, but nice LARP.
Native = niggers and those aren't longitudinal studies. Yes if you examine how many Somalians are murderers after spending 5 minutes in the country you'll find that Somalians are the most peaceful people on the planet, but that's an artefact of the study's methodology, and not indicative of the underlying violence of the population groups in question.
Nolan Morgan
>friendship cures racism holy shit, friendship really IS magic
What is your response to the sex attacks in Colonge? What is your response to the grooming gangs in Rotheram, Rochdale, Newcastle, Oulu? Why should I let people into my country who believe in the HIV virgin cleansing myth? Why should I let people into my country who say that jackrolling is "fun?" Why should I let people into my country who practice taharrush? Why should I let people into my country who practice FGM?
And I don't give a shit about immigration statistics. Break it down by the different ethnic groups in the native population, and then I'll give a damn.
I don't know about other places, but in America, most immigrants are brown
Thomas Baker
poc nationalism jews themselves feminism far left politics
I was perfectly happy being left alone to play sports enjoy beautiful things laugh at comedy and support my community. But my hand was forced when every single one of those things was taken from me.
Brayden Peterson
>It’s destructive to make a white ethnostate
They should already exist in an area called Europe but the shitskins destructively invaded even the non-colonizing branches of Europe
Mason Clark
okay so this is a nazi argument training thread, i see
Mason Green
Immigrants are better educated and higher class than the average person from their ethnic group anyway.
Samuel Wright
I think I already sort of answer this question in earlier replies, but I'll go ahead and enumerate some reason for why I found myself unable to rationally justify white nationalism: - People of different backgrounds in my racially diverse community got along pretty well. Everyone, or almost everyone, who went to my high school had at least 1 or 2 friends of a different ethnic background. - Race and ethnicity are social constructs. They only serve as much importance as society chooses to assign to them. - Racial problems in the U.S. seem to be better solved by increased integration and decreased discrimination, rather than the opposite. Most or all racial violence committed by non-whites is in some way or other motivated by discrimination against them. Income and quality of life disparities between whites and certain non-white groups play into this as well. - Globalization. It is more or less inevitable that the world will become more and more interconnected. This interconnection implies greater movement of both people and culture. Stopping this general trend is like stopping a freight train. It is more practical to figure out how I can benefit from globalization than to resist it.
Those are just a few reasons, I'm sure I could think of more if I spent more time.
weed being illegal (I was a default liberal) and the first zietgiest film, it set me on a path that led me to take an interest in politics and then later economics this all happened about 12 years ago and since then I've just followed truth and been most critical of my own beliefs.
Eli Phillips
Do you have any sources on these incidents? Besides, those are just specific events (a.k.a. anecdotal evidence) and may or may not be indicative of overall trends.
>okay so this is a nazi argument training thread, i see
Yes if OP has been entirely truthful throughout this thread he may be the single dumbest white nationalist to have ever graced this planet. Imagine parroting cookie cutter race denial arguments and Franz Boazian arguments when arguing against white people having their own countries, what a larp.
You realize that you are being a dirty immigrant yourself by moving to Japan? Not to mention why do you think they would welcome you? lol
Imagine being such a weeb, giving up your own peolpe and country to move and 'fix' another country. Nothing wrong with admiration and learning but you're not better. You bring multiculturalism to Japan, because youre white.
We live in such a clown world that extreme conservatism has become attractive either ironically or unironically. There are some problems with how this ethnostate would be implemented. Most anons have absolutely no intentions on doing anything toward these goals in real life. They are completely delusional to believe a national socialist revolution would ever happen or be tolerated in the United States. The only way any kind of organization even resembling an ethnostate would come to existence would be if white people were to form more insulated rural communities like the Mormons or Amish. These are the only majority white groups with above replacement birth rates. This cant be done like Craig Cobb did. It needs to be done in a non-explicitly white eccentric manner. There needs to institutional support too. Its a real complicated thing.
Landon Rogers
Shut the fuck up Kikefaggot everybody knows that you’re a Glownigger.
It was 4chin mods and teams of social media influencers. But over a period of some years I have learned to see through the artificial dialectic and place the blame for mass unrest and futility where it belongs: on me. Now the rage is pent up and growing more explosive by the hour.
Dominic Richardson
The only thing i care about is how whites are going extinct. whites going extinct is what made me a white separatist
Angel Campbell
>- Racial problems in the U.S. seem to be better solved by increased integration and decreased discrimination, rather than the opposite. Most or all racial violence committed by non-whites is in some way or other motivated by discrimination against them. Income and quality of life disparities between whites and certain non-white groups play into this as well. Ah yes, race relations are just great in South Africa. Ending discrimination solved their problems there. Now, do tell me, if "most or all racial violence committed by non-whites is in some way or other motivated by discrimination against them" you should know from reading Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People that implicit biases permeate our society and minorities will always be discriminated against. If this is the case, and discrimination causes violence, then why are you against different people peacefully going there own ways? Why is this something that has to be prevented through the violence of the liberal state?
> It is more or less inevitable that the world will become more and more interconnected. Why is immigration inevitable? You haven't demonstrated this at all.
Jose Bell
"then I watched some Contrapoints & Destiny and realized I was wrong"