With college to expensive to be worth it, what possible career paths are there that will let someone actually own a home and support a family? I'd tried the learn to code meme, but without a degree or prior experience, I can't get in anywhere. Webdev is shit and HTML/CSS makes me want to blow my fucking brains out, but I can at least build shit in Node.js and use Python for all sorts of stuff.
Has anyone actually gotten a job in the tech industry just by being self taught? With the pajeets and H1B program, is it even worth it? What else can one do?
All these tech companies just want pajeets, but they have to offer the job to americans first so they can tell the government that no american wants the job. That's why they have ridiculous requirements. They just want a cheap pajeet. Fuck this country.
Jason Russell
Just go to a community college, some are pretty cheap.
Ian Gonzalez
get a degree. I have a ba in a dumb major and guess what, I needed it to get into saas sales. now i make 90k one year out. unemployment is crazy low and employers are desperate for smart people
Henry Taylor
>owning a home that's a low bar dream. why not a Freeman? If you ever need another house you can always sell it and buy two. Miami to Cuba in under two hours. You could pay it off just smuggling cigars.
I suffered a lot of abuse as a child and it fucked me the hell up, so when I first tried I was traumatized, couldn't sleep or focus on anything, and failed out. I taught myself calculus and differential equations in an attempt to get back in, and was accepted but am no longer eligible for financial aid from the government. As you can imagine, that also means there's no private bank that'll offer me a loan, and I don't have anyone to cosign with me. The cost of college is THE barrier I'm trying to get around by pursuing this career path.
Justin Long
Just say you have one. They rarely check anyway.
Gabriel Brown
>four (7)
wut
Matthew Nguyen
a pajeet probably wrote it
Luke Richardson
I got an AAS degree in Radiation Protection. I've worked for the Department of Energy as a contractor for 6 years now.
A lot of work for DoE and NRC forever.
You'll end up working as a Radiological Control Technician. My last RCT job I was making $130,000 a year for 40 hours a week and I would nap most of the day.
You don't need a degree. I've never met anybody with a degree besides me. A lot of people go to a technical college and get a certificate.
Now I'm a Radiological Engineer making quite a bit more and it's easier but the qualifications and tests are a lot harder.
Sure, back in the late 90s/early 2000s where everybody was self taught because schools were still teaching fortran/cobol.
Aaron Clark
Yeah. That's a good program. Check with local community colleges if you are near a DoE lab or a nuclear power plant.
James Campbell
an IT degree is so fucking stupid all they end up hiring are people with art degrees and minimal HTML skills
the IT degree I went for didn't even teach me how to do a database or anything of importance I didn't already know
of course everyone else took html classes at their other school
the degree is filled with worthless pajeets and gooks that copy off each other and other people, so you'd have to have like 10 years experiance after you graduate because that's how long these people have had computers to practice on since they were 12 and live in communist shitholes so they can find whatever book they want on the internet if you're a minority or woman ok they'll hire you, white male? older? not a chance
Lucas Sanders
Thanks user. It looks interesting.
Justin Flores
same pajeets and dindus gave me C grades too so even if you're smart you'll have to figure out what the fuck they're saying, they will never prepare you for the test either, you'd have to study for the test every day for two weeks to pass, they just overload material, they're fucking assholes to be honest
Ayden Brooks
It is. I've never worked commercial power. DoE is where the money is at, but a lot of do require top secret clearances.
Blake Myers
A lot of jobs*
Noah Kelly
>Working for jews >Not being a NEET and collapsing the system OP, are you a fucking fag?
Joshua Reyes
is the military worth it?
Samuel Reed
I'm seriously considering enlisting at the end of the year if I can't get a decent job, going for 17C or 17E.
Jeremiah Bailey
how does it feel working for the jew in a jewish field?
Hunter Green
>serving for Israel
Ryan Wilson
>Webdev is shit and HTML/CSS makes me want to blow my fucking brains out, but I can at least build shit in Node.js and use Python for all sorts of stuff.
You need to persevere. You can't just give up once you encounter a bit of discouragement. Nothing worth doing is easy. You should definitely keep on learning python. Web development may not be ideal but its a starting point, its the easiest and quickest way to get your foot in the door.
You can't just expect everything to be stimulating and fun all the time, you have to slog it out and then the stimulation and the fun comes with the rush and the self esteem of getting shit done, and accomplishment. I am a millenial with ADHD and its taken me ages to learn this. I am a manbaby who never had any guidance on this stuff, just spent my adolescence and entire adult life so far expecting to be relaxed and/or stimulated and all the time. You may wanna look into getting yourself tested
Ian Ward
>just take some pills goy >programming computers invented by a gay jew is FUN
Kevin Hernandez
CS pajeets are nuts. they're either complete pieces of shit or some of the best professors you ever had. no inbetween. the former requires you to do your own work just to pass the damn class, the latter want you to work hard because they're actually trying to teach you something and legitimately prepare you. I am conflicted on pajeets as a result. but the pajeets we compete with in the job market are all assholes that succeeded through cheating circles and diversity passes.
>he thinks schools don't teach COBOL anymore >he never had to submit jobs to the queue that print out properly formatted pseudo business order reports
Colton Powell
pfffft This boomer used a keypunch to write fortran back in the eighties.
Caleb Nelson
>You can't just give up once you encounter a bit of discouragement
No shit, it's not that it's hard, it's that it isn't real programming. It's like the difference between painting cars and building cars. I can deal with data structures and algorithms, I can't make shit look really nice and polished.
Blake Fisher
I do infosec and never went to college I broke 6 figures at age 20
Isaiah Rodriguez
In Hungary, there are two prominent university courses for programming. One is engineering, the other "programming mathematican" which is the science part of computer science (think of r&d projects, proofing, etc). There are some trash ones that produce codemonkeys too, but not many people attend them as either mentioned above. As such, those that take their studies seriously and become actual engineers or mathematicans are seeked out by companies during their studies that want these specific skillsets, or just really compenent people. However, because this means that there just aren't that many coders who are content with being just coders with no more ambition that being "senior" one day, if you show competence without having attended higher education, you're still a good catch. I know for a fact that many employers here operate like this.
Ryder Walker
>without a degree or prior experience, I can't get in anywhere Make a youtube channel with all your programs/sites/etc. and a public github to host the code. This is your resume. Works wonders once you have 6+ production level projects to show off.
Asher Clark
Right, I also should have mentioned that there is a very significant number of people that know some programming before attending university, or study it out of class during their freetime, then use the "in higher education" tactic to fetch a job related to their hobby, and drop out once their position is safe. I'd say more than half of the people that drop out do so because of this. It's alright if they wanted to do coding and not much else, but they could have become so much more.
In summary, being self taught and decent at it means that you can do some job just as well as someone in/finished higher education, but you will have a rougher time getting empleyed, because you won't be anyone's first choice.
Owen Howard
Search for highest paying job without a degree...
Go get it.
I have a poli sci degree I've never used before. Instead, I went into sales and did pretty good at that and ended up in top management by the time I was 30. I'm 37 and after saving & investing im gonna 'retire' this year to start my own growop business, post on Jow Forums and homestead.
Cooper Cook
idk what you think real programmers do. Unless your some boy genius who have been programming since you were 8 years old working at google most of the work you”ll be doing is boring web dev shit.
David King
>No shit,
its obvious at the intellectual level but for me personally, its hard to realise when it actually comes down to the practical level of doing things. Based on the way your OP reads it looks like you experience a similar thing to me,you started something but you got bored, disinterested and discouraged relatively quickly/easily. Starting things and not being able to finish them or even continue them for very long is a major symptom of ADHD. It doesn't mean you are necessarily ADHD but ADHD is like the disorder tier of this
Hey if its a toss up between taking some pills and wasting my entire life and potential, I'll take the pills. I wouldn't wish ADHD on anyone. You don't have to take the medication I guess, there's other ways of treating it and you really have to do both even if you take the pills, but the medication will actually make you feel the calmness and comfort you didn't even realise you were missing, I mean you know you are restless and distressed whenever you have to do sometihng productive or that requires focus, but you have nothing else to compare it to. It is subtle and not obvious and intense like depression or anxiety, but the effects of it are still severe. The medication allows you to feel that focus and calm that everyone else has, and its their normal so they don't have the ADHD state to compare it to, just like you don't have the neurotypical state to compare to before you are medicated
Ethan Price
is something like data science or some other area of computer science better for someone who is interested in the more abstract, interesting level of programming?
Leo Fisher
I get it, you were diagnosed with ADHD, stop projecting faggot. I don't have problems finishing anything, I have some decent Python projects that took weeks to build, it'd like I said: dealing with HTML and CSS makes me want to blow my fucking brains out. I want to be coding so I can deal with data structures and algorithms, like I said. Not trying to align a div 2 pixels over because the client is a stupid fag demanding minor tweaks in how it looks.
Isaiah Morales
Landed a financial IT job in Europe without a degree in CS, moving in several months. All members of my team really have 5+ years of experience, whereas I have only 3. So you should kick your ass, OP, everything is possible. Even for a fucking dumb goy
John Collins
>I get it, you were diagnosed with ADHD, stop projecting faggot
sorry for trying to help then
Julian Gomez
>could you move the menus to the right hand side? >that font is perfect, but the g and q hang too low >can you lift the dangling letters a little? >i feel like it needs something more to make it pop >when they click here maybe a popup that reminds them to like us on facebook >i know we round all the numbers, but i think .00 after everything makes the dollars more real >okay they can see the color options as a guest but they have to register to see shipping cost
Michael Lee
learn a trade through a community college even fucking hairdressers can afford homes here (the south) also get multiple side hustles going on - buying, repairing and selling shit, house sitting, pet grooming, installing things in cars (some woman here taught herself window tint installation and has her own business), art/music lessons if you have those skills, PC building/repair. many anons claim they taught themselves programming and work from home
not to mention shit like oil fields/rigs work and local industry (auto plants, power plants etc.) that can pay in the high five figures/low 6 figures with minimum education also pro-tip: dont live in an expensive fucking city like San Francisco or Vancouver. Live in a 2nd or 3rd-tier city that has a relatively low cost of living/no state income tax. I have a buddy in GA who pays ~400/mo for a studio apartment. It can be done
Maybe you can't get a decent job because you're a whiny, abrasive asshole
Evan Perry
>Not trying to align a div 2 pixels over because the client is a stupid fag demanding minor tweaks in how it looks. Your clients are unprofessional as you are then. And I don't mean stupid, mostly every client is a stupid faggot, not knowing what they want or trying to pull feature requests hidden in bug tickets. But there are such things as design documentations, wireframes, workflows, and feature freeze. These very things gives a deleoper a shield from the constant faggotry of the client and stop them from ruining their own ideas because they had a better shiny idea. Even then, because you should allow the client to make changes if they so wish, you can give an estimate of time and cost, how many other priorized thasks would have to be changed or delayed, and put them in their fucking place.
Jason Gonzalez
I've been posting on these types of threads for weeks and it seems like no one is listening: MAJOR IN ACTUARIAL SCIENCE. Fuck comp sci or web development or tech in general.
