This is a hard one to debate...

ALL the gods are real.

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Nice repost son

The real redpill is that all gods exist, and wars between humans are nothing but reflections of the wars between gods. We are just their pawns on a massive chessboard.
Think about the 10 commandments in Judaism: which is the most important one?
That's right. The first one. Rejecting your gods means rejecting not only your identity, but also your role in the eternal war.
YHWH has had an overwhelming advantage for a long time, but the future is still unknown.

This is a politics board not a religious one. Religious threads on this board should pertain only to the link between religion and politics, which yours does not.

B&RP

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They came from monkies

Mine is the basis of the best civilizations. Can you name a good atheist civilization?

In many cases the bible plays into the narrative of the different pagan myths, in Europe and across the world.

The bible actually doesnt deny the existence of the different gods. It just says that (most of them) they are not good and non of them are to be worshipped as they are below the most high. They are even directly mentioned:
>12On that night I will pass through the land of Egypt and strike down every firstborn male, both man and beast, and I will execute judgment against all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.
All across the world there are numerous cultures stating how "people" came (down) to them and brought them knowledge and some new crafts and subsequently ruled over them and often there is a direct lineage claimed from these "gods" on which they claim their ruleship.
Now the Book of Enoch says exactly that, the fallen angels came to earth, they shared knowledge which in turn corrupted us. And they mated with our women. Here the account from Genesis:
>1Now when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, 2the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose.
[...]
>4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward as well, when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown.
>mighty men of old, men of renown
kings and rulers, the children of the fallen angels.

Additionally to all this we have different stories of the (fallen) angels relate to that of the different gods, Michael for example correlates heavily with Jupiter/Zeus/Thor/Baal Haddad, Lucifer correlates with that of quetzacoatl of the aztecs and prometheus and somewhat Enki. Satan, which likely is Lucifer after the fall correlates with Moloch and Cronus. Gabriel I believe could be Mercury which is Hermes and seen as equal of Thoth

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In example
Jupiter is also known like Zeus, throwing his lightning bolts or thor with his thunder also being lightning to some extent
Zeus, as i see it, is either what God is in the bible or Michael which would fit since Michael is the one who threw Satan (saturn) down to earth as Zeus defeated Cronus.
The way Satan falls here is
>18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
So Zeus (Jupiter) defeated Cronus (Saturn)
Thor (Jupiter) locked away Loki (While fairly antagonistic I couldnt identify him as a planet)
Michael threw Satan (Saturn) down to earth with lightning.
In all occasions its Jupiter is BTFOing Saturn (or in the nordic one at least an antagonist) with lightning
In general I believe Jupiter is representative of Gods right hand man. Wether its in form of Michael or God himself appearing in the flesh like Jesus

Also Baal Haddad (Jupiter) is known to have slayn a serpent, Thor is the archenemy of Jörmungard, the worldserpent of loki that grew big enough to reach around the world biting its own tail making it a symbol for the world, but also being ouroboros which is a symbol of time that devours everything fitting back to chronus. Michael threw satan down to earth, the serpent in garden eden. Zeus killed Typhon a serpentlike monster that tried to take his throne of the cosmos.

Hindu Indra, Jupitarian deity, killed an evil Serpent with lightning bolts

I have to add here that the september prophecy makes a connection between Jupiter and Jesus instead of the sun. The prophecy states a child is born and is continued to be described like Jesus is usually, when it was virgo, the virgin, birthed Jupiter in the manner the prophecy told, and Jesus is all about rejection of the flesh, of the material and embracing the spirit which gives somewhat a connection to the lightning as its the very force creating the conciousness in your brain (neural impulses animating your whole body even)

there is also an infinite number of wrong answers to the amount of cash in your wallet, and only one correct one. What’s your point?

I believe Lucifer is just Satan before the fall
The serpent in Eden is identified as Satan
>2He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Revelation describes Michael BTFOing Satan and throwing him to earth. Earlier Satans fall is described
>18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
which i believe is a good link of Michael to Jupiterian deities and likely this is what Jesus related to when saying he is the morningstar.

Eitherway we can say from this that the serpent is satan is the dragon is a fallen angel.
Lucifer brings knowledge, the serpent did exactly this, so we can assume that Lucifer is Satan as well.
The aztecs have Quetzacoatl, the feathered serpent that brought them knowledge, like the serpent in Eden, and he is identified as the planet Venus which is Lucifer when appearing as morningstar

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
>Lucifer (/ˈljuːsJfər/ LEW-si-fər) is a name that, according to dictionaries of the English language, refers either to the Devil or to the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star.
Just like the Venus, associated with Lucifer, and even called Lucifer when appearing as morning star, The Lucifer will at some point not the morningstar anymore, not Lucifer, Satan that was Lucifer and then fell.
Same as the Pentagram, which gets drawn with the Earth and Venus, can be a symbol of protection (when pointing up) or of evil (when pointing down) having the same symbolism behind it as the planet Venus and Lucifer/Satan has

The 2 (Venus and Saturn) being connected (via Lucifer-Satan) gives also then some connections to the bull symbolism of moloch when he ruled possibly back then still as lucifer and thus is the golden calf as Venus is the planet that rules over Taurus

Also relating to this is Prometheus who brought the fire (knowledge) and because of this Pandora (a woman like Eve) unleashed all the Evil (Sin)

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the fact that different cultures have different viewpoints onto divinity is not an argument against the existence of divinity.

Reminder that Christianity lead to the downfall of Rome.

youtube.com/watch?v=2jx1ZtZlcCk

>God is imaginary
>so is the $9 million I promised an assassin
>you better believe either one can still kill you dead

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there are 2 kinds probably. First:
In pic related for example it shows that what is translated as "The world was formless and empty" that it actually said "became formless and empty" indicating there happened something before Adam and Eve to make it so. When later then Cain is cursed to wander the land, he fears being killed by OTHERS, even though he is the first born of Adam and Eve meaning there have to be other people around already.
I believe what happened was that the fallen angels (like anunaki) created humans already, the darker races. Then God eventually came along and made people in his image which came to be the line of Noah, Shem, later Abraham, the Israelites which actually are the whites(Will get to that). Thus the mark put on Cain turned his skin dark (will get to Cain being the first Nigger too) to make him appear more like those that are around already.
The Bible merely focuses on this bloodline and thus leaves out stuff happening before it, not saying there never was anything before.
Then eventually the flood happened due to all the degeneracy.

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Atheists don't claim there are no gods, my Socialist friend. They've simply never been convinced.

the second group
>And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The serpent, Satan, here is said to have produced offspring with Eve. Now Eve got Cain and Abel (and Seth, which we dont go into here).
theopenscroll.com/cainsPaternity.htm
This text goes deeper into the stuff of Cain being the serpents off-spring

Cain, who is the offspring of Eve and the serpent then kills his brother Abel. For this Cain got cursed.
>12"When you cultivate the ground, it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth."
>And the LORD appointed a sign for Cain, so that no one finding him would slay him.
This Curse made the land not bare fruit to him, and "marked" him

Now we skip a bit of time until after the flood. people mixed with each other, everyone has some Seed of the Serpent in him, but not all express that seed and thus the curse but because its mixed into everyone, everyone is a sinner in the christian ideology. We go to Noah when he was blackout drunk and his son Ham was "seeing Noahs nakedness" (probably raped him). When Noah woke up:
>And he said: Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
Note that Canaan is also considdered to be of the Seed of the Serpent, which at this point got its second curse.
They are unable to agriculture, "servants of servants" aka slaves, and are "marked". Does sound a lot like niggas which in all these years still cant farm, are historically usually used as slaves and are marked by their skincolour
remember how the niggers engaged in cannibalism and all the other degenerate stuff.

All the stuff about humans allegedly not being properly adapted to this planet, and the degeneration of genes comes from this corruption which was mixed into everyone

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then they would be agnostic

Wake me when this faggot says that to a Muslim

It is neither witty, brave or particularily intelligent to hurl strawmen and smugness at a group of people who have no desire to engage with you and would rather be left alone. Continually explaining faith, the backbone of all religion" to another stubborn "comedian" is a waste of time especially when someone who is as intelligent as this man claims should be able to grasp the concept by now. Leading most to rightfully conclude that he is just being willfully obtuse demanding concrete evidence for a system designed and necessitating a lack of proof.

It could be 3000 facets of the same God.

If Jesus isnt real, he who resurrected a man from his tombs, 4 days dead and rotting, who himself resurrected and broke the bonds of Hades, then none of it is real. and if none it is real, then the only "god" is the power you yield.

Without niggers, the human race wouldn't have been able to survive Africa where then humans took a different path of evolution once they escaped Africa.

They're too busy singin' to put anybody down.

Extra Canonical Evidence for Jesus:

Mark 15
>And the sixth hour having come, darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour
Matthew 27:51:
>"And the earth shook and the rocks were split"
The secular Roman historian Phlegon documented an eclipse and earthquake around the exact same time, matching the Gospel account:
>in the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad, an eclipse of the sun happened, greater and more excellent than any that had happened before it; at the sixth hour, day turned into dark night, so that the stars were seen in the sky, and an earthquake in Bithynia toppled many buildings of the city of Nicaea
tertullian.org/fathers/jerome_chronicle_03_part2.htm

Africanus in 221 AD
>On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun
He references here Thallus who wrote his work "around 52 AD" which has been lost in time though, but is referenced by Africanus.

Also geological evidence of a heavy earthquake in/around 33 AD
icr.org/article/greatest-earthquakes-bible/

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ
>Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa

From Flavius Josephus Antiquities of the Jews
documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0037-0103,_Flavius_Josephus,_The_Antiquities_Of_The_Jews,_EN.pdf
>3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

This is very simple to answer. Most people worship false gods instead of the real God of reality, Jesus, because being a Christian is hard, and most people are too evil to accept reality and the logos. They are slaves of the devil, and they will burn.

On the contrary, rome led to the downfall of christianity.

Agnosticism pertains to knowledge (the "gno" stem of this noun) and is way larger than gods, supernatural stuff and other woo. Atheism only pertains to belief in gods.
Most atheists are agnostic as well: none of us knows for sure there are no gods, we'd have to have investigated the entire universe to claim that.

Buddhism is the Aryan's religion.

Thats not an argument at all.
most religions consider this some kind of heresy
i myself have witnessed two divine miracles
nobody took credit for it though so beats me who caused it

>there have been religions all through out time
>but I've got it right. I'm the one who understands things better than thousands of years of the most intellectual humans on this planet. I'm the one who knows that there is no god at all.
Yeah okay.

what if "God" is a metaphor for your particular tribe and the religious commandments are behavioral heuristics to ensure the survival of your tribe

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Lovecraft has a pretty good explanation

But your belief in atheism then comes down to a critique of organized religious hierarchical control not organized religion/belief in god then no? You seem to be moving the goal posts to suit the times kind of like all liberal (((Intellectuals))).

>There are 3 million comedians out there but this guy thinks his jokes just so happen to be the funniest?

>How very cute of yoq

Did I strawman GUD lads?

>217436417
And why is your opinion right and everyone else's wrong?

Hands up who read this in his soft southern cunt whiny voice?

>your going to hell for worshiping the wrong god
Fear mongering at it's best and you fell for it hook line and sinker

If you read the old testament you realize that the Jew god acts more like a demon.
Why would god need to test anyone
Anyways there's only the Whole. Trust the divine plan, you'll figure it out eventually if you value truth and knowledge.

>What the fuck happens if I'm in the wrong religion?
Nothing because the world would be an amoral and meaningless place. It would make no difference.

>What the fuck happens
>Swearing

You were never christian

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because I am not they. People who think they are correct and are wrong is irrelevant to the truth. If you were a Christian, you'd know from reading the bible and communion with other Christians that it's as true as 1+1=2 and everyone else believes and argues different. From an atheist perspective, if God exists, He is not incompetent, and Christianity is the largest and most successful movement in history. If the bible isn't sufficient to know its truth, you are not and have never been a Christian, in which case my latter point is sufficient for and necessitates investigation into religion in general. The bajillion gods bullshit is irrelevant to the plausibility of a god's existence.

>>Swearing
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>You were never christian
Kill yourself, fucker.

Atheism is a lack of belief. "belief in atheism', which is to say believing there is no god, is something caused by idealism, the same thing that causes people to believe in a specific deity, only worse because there could be justifiable reasons for a person to believe in a specific deity but there is no justifiable reason to believe no gods exist at all.

You could call me an atheist i suppose, though i dont like the term because it almost always means fedoras these days practicing a sort of disciplined anti-belief. My critisizm of religions comes down to the fact that most people do not have or claim to have an actual justifiable reason to believe in their specific god. Im actually fond of religion in a historical context, and a huge fan of ascetics, many of which do have some reason for their belief.

It would be reasonable to believe in a god if it appeared to you, or otherwise such an experience occurred, even if that experience was say a hallucination or something that was not real, a person could not be blamed themselves for now believing that thing, they have some kind of justification for it. This is why i say there are ways to have justifiable beliefs, there is no way to have a justifiable anti-belief however, because even people who have 'near death experiences' which include not having one and being convinced there is no afterlife are still only justified in believing no afterlife, not in no deities.

Liberals are idealists as are religious people, they believe in similar things like 'institutional racism', my stance is simply a standard materialist one

>This is a hard one to debate
Not if you follow a religion/spirituality that isn't abrahamic.

The difficulty comes in in that different world views can be so incompatible that they are completely unintelligible. Yet, each one is claiming universality of "facts" and "truth," in order to maintain their particular authority. Given the apparent difference between human beings, it's not a bug that there are multiple gods...the surprising thing is that it's possible to even entering the idea that there only could be one.

There is no such thing as a position that is a lack of belief. Atheism, even by its new pussified definition, is the belief that atheism is rational, as is the case with all positions, and therefore its claim that it is just a lack of belief is a contradiction.

see

you're not supposed to "know" that yours is correct, you're supposed to just believe that it is regardless

come on bud, i wasn't raised religious and even i know that

atheism mean to not believe in gods. Just because atheist are blinded by their own pride that they are above believe and merely base their view on evidence, this evidence relies on faith on the scientist that performed and reported the experiments, faith in the underlying doctrines used to interpret these to be correct as well, and faith to actually have understood it wrong. Atheism is as much as a religion as any other, they are just themselves too braindead to realize most of the time and thus also are the most easily trolled religion out there.

Big surprise the leaf crumbles under pressure

all i read is
>there are so many answers to 1+1, therefore to think it is only an equivalent of 2 is a hard to enter idea

How many people are bots here? This thread has been posted about 1000 fucking times at this point

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The inverse is also true. One of the religious/faith beliefs is true, atheism is faith based and if you disagree please show me how the scientific method has been used to disprove God and how many times it has been repeated, so why cant it be the one you were born with? There is also the matter of the study of theology. Christianity is the only one which is concise.

>is the belief that atheism is rational,
It is, a rational person will believe things they can verify and leave everything else simply out in the open, maybe its true maybe its false, they do not have sufficient evidence for it.
The idea that if you dont believe something you must disbelieve it is silly. Its a result of idealism, which believes reality flows from thought rather than thought from reality, so for the idealist not to have some kind of firm stance on every possible imaginable idea, becomes a gap in their reality, a worrying problem to them, because after all if they arent sure what they believe about a thing, that thing can not exist to them as either a true or a false thing, and a thing can not be neither true or false.

I am free to simply shrug at things i dont know, because i can know things are true or false even if im unaware of them.

>because lies exist, there is no truth

I'm not even a theist, but this is a shitty argument.

Nothing begets nothing. If there is no creator nothing would have been created, so that’s why it Takes a lot of faith to be an atheist.

I'm an atheist too, and don't like the label for the same reasons you do.

>Liberals are idealists as are religious people, they believe in similar things like 'institutional racism', my stance is simply a standard materialist one

However we're wasting time attacking religion these days unless it is the leftist brand of cultism as you say. Communism for instance is full of leftish cultish mindset. Standard religions are about tribal peace and community for the most part and I don't see any reason to spend my life trying to splinter them.

As was said, atheism does require faith. Atheism can't have any relation to the scientific method. Why? Because God having created the universe, whether you believe it or not, is outside of the scope of the scientific method. A carpenter does not become one with his created chair so this God is not even testable under the scientific method let alone repeatable.

Atheism requires faith. Faith that there is no God. After all it's not a idea based in fact that is proven beyond a doubt.

Agnosticism is the only "scientific" non daith standpoint as they neither confirm nor deny the existence of what they by nature cannot prove nor disprove.

White people invented atheism. The idea that nothing didn't exist and then nothing happened that caused something and boom universe. We are all related to banannas at some point down the evolutionary chain and nothing has any real purpose. It's boring, stale and utterly lame. It requires no critical thinking while faith in God is constantly tested.

Were you convinced by those experiences that the divine exists? Just wondering

>it's metaphorical. You are God

"Ye shall be as gods" - Satan

I never stood why they don't get this. Atheists are atheists because they DENY the existence of God. It's a faith based claim the same as a Christian or Muslim. Agnostics say they don't know

let go...and LIVE.
it's amazing, actually.

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They were suitably miraculous that i personally think its a better explanation to attribute it to something that would be otherwise classified as mystical by our current understandings. I believe there could be explanations for them, but the experiences were enough to ensure the scales are tipped towards some kind of something existing. If there are god(s)/higher consciousness/spirit bodies/whatever i will not be surprised.

Post more cats pls fren

The desire to erase desire is a desire in itself, thus making the idea of Buddhism self defeating.

There have been over 3000 genders so far, but only Male and Female exist. The others are silly made up nonsense. But not yours, yours is real.

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Based Kraut.

Are you really going to pretend to be stupid enough for this to be your take away?

Fuck off nigger go observe things somewhere else ok

A classic I'm told.

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>The real redpill is that all gods exist, and wars between humans are nothing but reflections of the wars between gods.

I wrote lyrics about this exact thing to a death metal song.

Jesus is the only way I assure you

>This is a politics board not a religious one. Religious threads on this board should pertain only to the link between religion and politics, which yours does not.
Religion = Most of the political talk here.

it seems he an engels share a similar view :^)

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The militant atheists are philosophically a dead end. They basically sit by the gate and wait for the next idea to come along to cast it into the trash. Their entire existence is dedicated to destroying other ideas. My faith helps me. It floats my boat. It helps me get through the horror that is everyday life. Yet for some reason some people only feel happy when they can take that from people like me. Call me simple minded, or ignorant. That's fine. I'd rather have faith in a God that I can't see than this mythical altruism and justice and fairness they've indoctrinated me and all kids who grew up in our education systems to believe in. Seems more believable and provable somehow.

try 6 vs 9

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So again youre arguing for Agnositicism not atheism.

Hes pretty funny though...

yeah it's much better that everyone who is born into this world creates his own unique moral philosophy from zero and that's gonna work out just fine

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Thats a really shitty argument for divine worship.

It’s not even a shit argument because it literally isn’t an argument.
>there have been an innumerable number of triangle variations so far, but only 90/90/90 is equilateral.
>the others are isosceles and scalene nonsense.
>but not yours
>yours is equilateral

Atheists are mentally disabled.

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Create a fair amount of Klebolds and Harisses that way

It's funny how that's one of the ancient old arguments against religion but somehow got attached to that faggot.

How much intellectual growth can atheism philosophically have? "There is no God". Okay? What now?

Epicurus said all it before. Copied through the ages by Voltaire and now made into a "sage comment" by Ricky Gervais that people will fawn over.

"Your certainty is borderline absurd considering the vast scope of certain people." Its just that. No more no less. Take it how you will.

atheism literally translates to godless
In this context then you could even have atheist religions who lack gods or any real dieties but just have things like the idea that every single thing has a spirit.

What has occurred is that the only atheists who people notice are the ones making noise. So the words common meaning has narrowed over time more and more to militant rejection. But rest assured it is fully proper to use the term to simply mean a person who doesn't follow any religion.