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In this modern atheist age that depends on science, we expect Jow Forums to understand and respect the mathematical laws of physics confirmed by scientific experiment innumerable times. Atheism is part of science. Science gives us technology and prosperity. Atheist have the best morals because they can reason.

Jow Forums is an ATHEIST board.

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Go fuck a donkey or whatever you mountain jews do.
>atheism is part of science
Fedora delusions at its finest.

Most people in the west aren't political and don't give a shit about feminism, etc. Most are still actually racist on some level too. It might be true that lack of faith has allowed women to whore themselves a little more than was previously acceptable, but then again without enlightenment and the fall of God, you would likely have died a horrible death from a now preventable disease before the age of 20. Most modern ailments relevant to Jow Forums can be cured by getting out the house and ceasing to be a whiny little faggot.

How long until people realise atheism is the logical conclusion to Christianity? They are one and the same. Atheism is the fiercest denomination of Christianity.

>Atheist have the best morals because they can reason.

Morality transcends human rationality and reason.

>the biggest reason for the fall of the west is atheism.
Do you have a source for that claim? I'd say many things are responsible for the "fall" of the west (actually I'm not even sure you can say the west has fallen,but let's go with the premise that it has), like unregulated banking, outsourcing, mental health crisis, wealth funneling/tax havens/money islands (like panama papers), unjustifiable wars that create huge waves of migrants, etc etc
But if you think those problems arise from or are less problematic than "atheism", please explain your position. Because many of those things came from Jewish and Christian political lobbying and scheming. Like, most of them.

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>Morality transcends human rationality and reason.
Is this true? Can you prove this? Do you have an example? Do you have any evidence?

If atheism was the problem then Czech Republic, Hungary, Estonia and Japan would be the most cucked nations on the planet. But they aren't.

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The only relevant argument you should be making is one that demonstrates God’s existence. Otherwise you are just wasting your time.

>Atheism causes society to degrade
Not an argument

>Atheists are smug fedoras
Not an argument

>Religion brings me personal meaning and joy
Not an argument

The Bible says that God will move mountains on your behalf through prayer. Surely after thousands of years of miracles and prayer, there would be a single shred of physical evidence left behind. Otherwise it’s like a ridiculous game of cosmic whack-a-mole where God goes out of his way to trick you.

Catholics realize this, which is why they “confirm” miracles every year and tie it in with the canonization of saints. I’m sorry if asking for hard evidence gets your panties in a wad but it’s a completely reasonable thing to do.

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>too stupid to understand science?
>try screeching about fedoras

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You have that exactly backwards. Atheism is a result of a falling civilization. None of that shit occurs in civs on their way up or at their peak, just on that bumpy downslope. The one we're on right now.

implying science claims to disprove religion despite every good scientist knowing you cant prove a negative or an unfalsifiable hypothesis. WOW atheist brain matter right there.

The only true law of God is might makes right.

Most scientist are agnostic. Atheists are retarded.

>you must understand that the biggest reason for the fall of the west is
Every Soviet propaganda line was required to start with this phrase.

>atheism.
So whatever it is the muslims are doing to innocent people in the Middle East, that's your idea of moral integrity? Priests ass-raping children, that's your idea of moral superiority?

>Their erosion of morals with "muh relativism",
Religious people are moral relativists too, they are just far more dishonest about it.

> War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Degenerate
Orwell wrote a novel about you people.

You're right, science cannot disprove the existence of god, science can disprove the need for a god.
The argument always descends in to the "god of the gaps", where the unexplained problems within the universe must be where god is hiding.
Just what does god do?

>Is this true?

Yes

Can you prove this?

Yes

Do you have an example?

Yes

Do you have any evidence?

Yes, depending on the fedora's goal post moving level of evidence required

It is just some basic critical thinking applied to the question at hand. If morality does not transcend human reason, then morality is in and of itself meaningless. If all morality is ultimately derived from the individual human mind, then there is no actual standard of morality. First reason - human minds are not reliable. If religion (objective morality) is a biochemical delusion in the brain, then so is atheism (moral relativism). If morality does not exist apart from what is believed to be in each individual's best interest - meaning each individual determines what is or is not moral - then there is no such thing as morality, only individual actions that are preferred for whatever reason.

I am leaving for work, so don't look for a response to a response. It has been my experience, after talking to hundreds and hundreds of atheists, that their real, internal argument is "I want to put my dick where I want and not feel bad about it."

Wrong. The biggest reason for the fall of the west is the fact that it is based on Christianity, an absurd perversion of Judaism that could not stand up to new knowledge, science, and the modern world. All societies need a religious basis for shared moral behavior, but religion evolves and changes like everything else. Christianity is dead. Western civilization will die with it. Hopefully next time around we can come up with something better.

>Atheism is a result of a falling civilization.
The opposite is true. The French revolution rejected the notion that kings are chosen by gods to rule over men. Even our own founding fathers rejected the divine rule of England for our liberal democracy. Society is far more advanced and far more moral today than it ever was under corrupt religious rule.

everyone who knows what the word agnostic means is an agnostic about god since you cant KNOW whether god exist or KNOW that he doesnt.scientist being agnostic is not proof or even an indication whether or not faith in higher power is legitimate since it just means that those scientist admit to not being able to confirm or deny the existence of a deity but they could very well be religious.

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>science cannot disprove the existence of god, s
Believer never prove their gods exist, so they offer nothing for atheists to disprove.

>science can disprove the need for a god.

Not really. It can "prove" the mechanisms of a creative force behind the creation, it can describe those, it can investigate those. It cannot explain away a first cause. The reason is we can always ask, "Well what caused that?" The "that" being a material cause, not a transcendent creator.

Nor can science disprove the human need for a God. The human need is not the same as the material need. One is spiritual, the other physical. A spiritual need exists, as evidenced by the billions of people who believe in a God, who have no real reason to have that need, but still have it. Have always had it. Always will have it.

I don't agree with you ,for one simple reason: the leftists replaced God with their own cult and the brain dead NPC's that were atheist on paper only and still had the need to "believe" bought into this shit.
Then that tiny minority started to convert other people.
The cult of the left's God( science, political class etc) was born.
I'm an atheist and I don't have a need to believe nor to belong to some groups outside of my family and some friends.
I have a very strong moral compass and I always had it, even as a little, 2 year old. I don't buy into any cults but I respect religions for the good that they brought to the world and for their ability to organize civilizations and make people happy. At the same time I will criticize a religion that, just as a cult would do, harms it's people and makes them hateful (Islam, Jehovah's Witness etc.).
I think that a lot of the religions have the "us vs them" attitude and it isn't an inherently bad trait, sometimes though it's so strong that it makes the believers HATE other believers. That's wrong and I will never agree with it.
Another thing is that I don't preach my atheism. I don't like to be preached to so I don't preach myself. Fuck, I even will "pray" with the believers if they ask me to. It doesn't hurt me in any way and it helps them.

Tl;dr
The biggest reason for the fall of the West is the cult of the left orchestrated by the Jew's influence in the early (and the late) communism and socialism and a constant reinforcement of the worst religious tactics in it, not the atheism otself

We can't comprehend God, but it's likely that the first thing to emerge from nothingness is God.

Science actually tells us that the majority of the people need to believe and belong so indirectly it actually supports the need for God.

how would i know what God does? as for the god of the gaps.i never liked that arguement even when i was a le edgy atheist XD. processes of the natural world and the understanding of them is literally the effect described by the tree of knowledge and the parable in that in my eyes is "you are human you are inherently curious since the original sin and with that you are on your way to being a god but you be careful for there is always a new challenge and you will always fail".

So the eliminating the "need for god" and its folly is preordained by almost all religion because contrary to popular belief your ancesters werent dumber than you they just had less collective knowledge. they saw what will happen in a society that does not put a higher power over themselves and worship earthly things.

How does an atheist failing to grasp the deterministic nihilism inherent in his philosophy prove spirituality or objective morality?

Would you say the same about Mao's China or Stalinist Russia? Both outlawed religion. Only morons think that religion causes or releases people from oppression. A religious impulse has evolved in all people for a very utilitarian purpose. Life is harsh and meaningless, and it does not benefit genetic fitness to believe this unless you are in the top 1% of the hierarchy. Therefore people give their suffering meaning through the religious impulse. The ruling class harnesses this impulse in order to achieve greater control over the serfs. Kings work with the Vatican to consolidate power over the people, but communist societies do the same. They just create a different kind of religion- the religion of the state. Getting rid of religion is not going to get rid of biology. It's not going to make the hierarchy disappear, and it wont make the strong stop oppressing the weak. The hierarchy exists everywhere, and it crushes all who are not in the top brick. Middle class america is an aberration in history where the yoke is lightened a little, but history will show that period will last no longer than a hundred years.

>If all morality is ultimately derived from the individual human mind, then there is no actual standard of morality
All morals are written by men and they are based on an innate sense of universal right and wrong. The golden rule is the classic example. Our world has improved dramatically by more and more people adhering to ever-rising moral standards. Even primates have universal moral systems with elements that seem innate.

>religion
>(objective morality)
You can only pick one.
(a) There have been thousands of religions all with vastly differing morals.
(b) Religious morals change dramatically over time (Hebrew human sacrifice -> Hebrew animal sacrifice -> Christian atonement)
(c) Religious morals change to ingratiate itself with society (slavery, arranged marriage, sexual transgressions, etc.)
Believer are moral relativists, they are just simply not telling the truth about it.

>atheism (moral relativism).
All morals are written by men. Same with religious morals, except evil men added the bit about their men being 'inspired' by gods.

Atheism is a symptom, not the root cause. The root of it all is politics and people who have nefarious agendas, and enough social and financial power to enact those agendas. The surge of atheism has arisen from the "Yasss science and logic" doctrine which has been pushed for a while now to shoe-horn in other ideas (e.g there are 5000 genders).

>I'm sorry grandpa but the gods are fake
Then why don't you have a job? Or a wife? Or children?

Objective morality does exist imo because humans did not evolve to be some solitary creatures, fuck, even pack animals can show us that they act in a "moral" way, very often.
Do not murder a member of your clan for no reason is one of these: no pack animals do that.
If you have 1 of these you have more.
To create a civilization and/or society humans need a set of rules. Thanks to the development of the language it got codified and now is ingrained into the society.
Did you know that Buddha and his teachings were a response to materialism that was a prevalent thought in India at that time?
And he won and won fast, became people have a need to believe and belong.
As I said, I'm an atheist because it's the most logical thing, but I'm not a nihilist. I do believe than when we die, we just die but I don't believe that everything is pointless because the world is interesting and humans can do things that no other species can.
I actually wish that I could believe, not even joking. But nothing that I read(and I read a shit ton) convinced me that anything like a God exists. The closes I came to God or an after death existence were the original Buddhist teachings. Buddha never talked about a soul or a "rebirth" like it's thought today. It wasn't originally an uplifting religion.

To be completely honest the stalinists just replaced one religion with another one. People's need to believe was satisfied that way.
The complete lack of religion would not work in any of the human societies.

I should also add that I like to separate Atheism into two categories
>Atheist
>Atheist™

The first being the regular joe who just can't see his way around there being an all powerful deity, or just logically struggles with the concept. This aside, could be and sometimes is more red pilled than some knee-bending Christian.

The latter being the "Reddit Atheist", who all point and laugh whenever someone religious says or does something silly, and have the finest felt fedoras in all the realm.

The religious posters on Jow Forums will often conflate the two, when they're not really the same groups.

Santa Clause is real.

He is a spiritual being that inspires those who believe in him. The evidence is this: On Christmas morning, little children all over the world recieve presents, just as predicted.

I tell you the truth. So too is the Son of God, Jesus Christ, a spiritual being.

The evidence is all around you, if you know what you are looking for.

This.
Christianity isn't true, it's just made up bullshit. Stop brainwashing people. Your imaginary friends won't save us. Grow up.

>Would you say the same about Mao's China or Stalinist Russia? Both outlawed religion.
Stalin, the orthodoxy seminary student who studied the Orthodox religion for 4 years? Mao, the Taoist who graduated from Confucius College? I'd say they knew well who the enemy of the people was.

>Only morons think that religion causes or releases people from oppression.
This would be exactly what the oppressors want you to think. There's no need to invent gods for any reason other than to intimidate and subjugate other men into submission.

>Life is harsh and meaningless,
Only if you believe some greater afterlife is waiting for you.

>They just create a different kind of religion- the religion of the state.
It's an easier transition for believers, but you make an important point. If religion is the poison pill that turns the state to shit, then religion must be the shittier.

>picrelated
literally what the fuck
there is not a person on the entire planet to be too stupid to understand religion, for religion is based on faith with no evidence, on following who claim to be the messengers of god blindly, on believing cheap bar level tricks to be miracles.
i dont wear fedora, i have had sex and i would not vote liberal if i were an american. i say that to mess up your statistics, not because your typical fedora arguments are valid: they are not

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>Santa Clause isnt true, it's just made up bullshit. Stop brainwashing people. Your imaginary friends won't give me any presents. Grow up.

That's true though, I don't know what your point is

>the finest felt fedoras in all the realm.
We all know from where the fedoras originated.

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Can someone post the *slam* gods not real asshole! meme

>The root of it all is politics and people who have nefarious agendas,
Why don't you just come out and say "Russian Jews"? It's what we're all thinking.

reminder that delusional rants reinforced with iron age fairy tales about invisible frenemies in the sky belong to

An atheist and a christian read one of "Aesop's fables".

The atheist says, " haha, what a stupid story, everyone should know turtles and rabbits cant talk. I need to educate everyone on how stupid this story is."

The Christian says, "oh, I get it, the rabbit lost the race, because he was too cocky, and stopped trying."

Hold it right there, ignorant scum! No one worships the Demiurge on my watch!

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>An atheist and a christian read one of "Aesop's fables".

Atheist: Oh, looks like it is a tale for children.
Christian: *worships the rabbit*

Whether or not some autistic fedoras want to get caught up on literal interpretations is besides the point. Everyone who isn't a redditor knows it's not meant to be taken literally, regardles of their stance. If the atheist understands the metaphor, how does he jump from "good metaphor and good story morals" to God? It's a bit of a jump

Cringe. Here's a simple meme to stop you from embarassing yourself in the future.

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>Christian: *worships the rabbit*
Literally this and willing to kill the Duck God people if asked.

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No, the Satanist worships the rabbit.

>*STARTS KILLING IN THE NAME OF HIS ANIMAL FROM A CHILDREN FABLE AND CALLING EVERYONE ELSE A FOLLOWER OF THE OTHER ANIMAL*

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Nope, the christian worships the rabbit.
The satanist worships the idea of never racing
And the gnostic worships actually God.

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>Youre this strawman if you don't download this religion and form your personality around it
Personally I wish all ideologues experienced proper ego death so theyd stop this nonsense.

At this moment, I would say, God is perhaps a concept that keeps people from claiming to be perfect, and subsequently, keeps people from writing laws of control over others. Even Jesus, says that God the father is greater than him.

If all the law could be understood through written word, than Jesus died in vein.

Love thy neighbor as thyself, is the same command as, love God the father with all your heart and soul.

There is no higher command than these.

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Only the Abrahamic religions revere Satan as a god.

Lmao what a fag
Pay debnts

BTFO

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There is no scientific evidence for nor against the existence of Hod.
So being an atheist requires a leap of faith as much as being a Christian.
Stop being edgy and actually read on the subject

t.atheist

>is Christianity pro-jew?
No, no one with knowledge of the church fathers would ever believe christianity was pro-jew. Hell, no one with knowledge of basic scripture would either. Jesus told clearly of how those jews would did not see forsook their birthright in denying him.
>but Jesus was just a kike on a stick
No, Jesus was a Judean on a stick. Modern ethnic Jews, and thus the descendants of those Jews who denied Christ originally, were the children of Esau- the Edomites. Esau denied his birthright for material pleasures, waged war on his kin, race mixed for power (with the sandy skinned Hittites), and turned his back on the God of his family. Sound familiar? This is the origin of the modern ethnic jew and their parasitism is rooted in the initial discarding of the birthright for the pleasures of the moment.
Jesus, Son of Mary and Son of God, was not a decendent of Esau but of David. He was Judean, but not dark skinned and hooked nosed like the edomites/modern ethnic jews. His blood was not tainted by the hedonism of Esau and so he was not what we would today call a kike.

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Answer me you no-world-cup-having non-country

I can't believe Christfags still exist.

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Agreed

>actually thinking larp is important
Jow Forums the post

>So being an atheist requires a leap of faith
By definition, atheists fail to believe in gods. No faith required. Nothing more or less.

>Stop being edgy and actually read on the subject
He said, unironically.

>t.belieber larping as an atheist
Why is it you can never be honest about anything?

it almost sounds like you admit that the stories found in bible are complete and utter bullshit but the lessons they teach people are of great value and make humanity better.
i am of opinion that all atheists who do not attend reddit do think that the things the bible teaches are mostly virtuous and noble, but due to severe lack of evidence logically assume that the god is much more likely to be a fairytale than not

>be NPChristian
>simple logic and facts debunk your jew worshipping cult
>"muh fedora, larpagan"

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Nope, Satanists worship the true Gods of humanity, nature and the truth.
Jews, Christians and Muslims hate us because we're right.

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Schlomo, cope.

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Nice cope christcuck

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Mary didn't create it

Only retards(progessive liberals) can stand for election in the west and win. Rational people may win, but they cannot, in long run, defend their position from the retards.

Or in other words; why is Mutti Merkel still alive?

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The first time I ever heard the loaves and fishes story when I was a kid I thought wow what a great story, everybody took so little food because Jesus inspired them to care for their community above their own wellbeing
And then a few years later the pastor said Jesus literally just magically cloned food and everybody just ate as much as they wanted

The Bible is only good at a glance, religious books are fucking stupid under any critical lens

This. Which is probably why no one has challenged you yet.

He wasn't a kike; that is why He was crucified!

The lineage of Abraham bred true.

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Sadly, Gnostic Christianity makes more sense than the more orthodox views.

cause and effect

Watch this memeflaggot
youtu.be/66c03O4APJ4

>implying that atheism isn’t a Jewish plot to strip the masses of morality to the point where politicians can do whatever they want and go unchecked because morality is relative.

>implying there was no mass media manipulation before atheism became mainstream
>implying the manipulation didn't also extend into churches
>implying you know what the fuck you are talking about
Also
>atheism is a jewish ploy to hdusbeondji
Got any decent source for that claim, senpai?

Fuck off zoomer faggot, no lambada from nona for you next pascha

It always goes out anyway, fuck your stupid oversized candle and for wasting my weekend

>It cannot explain away a first cause.
Which is more honest, admitting you haven't figured that out yet, or jumping to the conclusion that it was your magic sky daddy that did it (but not one of the other thousands of gods people have believed in over the years)?

>as evidenced by the billions of people who believe in a God
Most people used to think the Earth was flat and that the fundament building blocks of matter were earth, fire, water and air. Just because people belive something doesn't make it true.

There is enough food for thought inside modern school of thought, philosophy manuals, consequentialism, utilitarianism.. the problem does not lay solely on people rejecting strong arguments, dialectic discourses, ancient traditions - even contemplative ones with empirical results... sure lack of prayer and cleansing of mind within that sphere of idea hurts.... but I think the problem lays mostly with people refusing to think, becoming retards en masse - not caring about anything anymore, hating themselves.