One of the funniest things I find about reactionary men responding to feminism is that it will get them laid less when...

It's a little more complicated.
There's a place for prostitution in society. However feminism is Marxist/anti-capitalist, so they want to create a slut culture. This is to reward men with sex who hold leftist, anti-patriarchy, and anti-capitalist beliefs.

It is all social engineering by the enemies of whites to get us to turn on each other. It worked brilliantly in WWII.

Accepting sleeping around only hurts women themselves in the long run. Why are women the biggest enemies of women?

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left tier meme quality right there

You don't actually want that though. You have a lot of predatory energy right now because you're a young genetically successful progeny of an energetic predatory species. You feel the need to use that energy. That energy will fade by the time you hit 30. You will want something different then.

Remember when you were a kid on the playground and you HAD to run around and jump on all the things? Then you got tired and sat down to cuddle a female friend until both sets of parents made you feel awkward by being like "aww wook at the cute wittle couple." It's like that but over a period of decades.

You won't believe me because I'm telling you that you don't know what you want. That's fine, that's normal, it takes a high level of trust to accept that statement from someone. Your father should be telling you this, but he hasn't been around for a while, either because he was never there or because you drove him to stop trying to be a father to you by calling his views evil and outdated. He doesn't know what to say so now he just gives you encouragement when you claim that you want an open relationship. When you realise that you were wrong, don't blame your father.

Women don’t fuck male feminists anyway, so... thanks for making it easier for mysoginists?

The 80/20 rule fits into this perfectly. You're more likely to get the upper crust of women if you accept who they are. You're just one person, you cant dictate an entire gender based on your sexual whims. I've fucked more women by friend zoning them myself and making them prove why they should be fucked than chasing them around. And they respect you for it too. Everyone wants whats hard to get.

It really is. Women just don't get wet for weak men. They can bitch about 'muh Patriarchy' and 'toxic masculinity' all they fucking like. But the reality is women have been the reproductive bottleneck for at least many thousands of years. The men we have today are the men they choose.

They absolutely do. Proving you understand even a small amount of the female experience proves you a better potential partner than anyone who doesn't, period.

No. They fuck gay men who haven't come out yet. That's entirely different.

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In your imagination, maybe. In the real world, women see you as potentially deceptive and inferior to the alpha Chad who just speaks his mind.

LOL, you're funny. Women have never had rights to choose who they fucked until very recently. They have been the spoils of war for practically all of human history.

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Fuck off, this guy is engaging with us. Do one of the threads where the OP shat out his meme viewpoint and didn't engage with people who refuted it.

Women are like a nice bowl of ice cream. It probably tastes better if no one's stuck their dick in it.

also who cares about what women think/feel, they are overgrown children

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Well I'm a standard white guy and I've slept with plenty of women whose main talking points were 'White privilege and SJW, if you deny it don't talk to me.'

Like, black women, puerto rican women, etc. Not even white women who are inclined towards their own race.

Theres literally no basis for what you're talking about. All these girls out here at liberal rallies will literally suck the skin off of your cock if you actually put 1% effort into understanding who they are inside.

>potential partner
get a load of this faggot trying to appease pussy
o i am laffin

The fact that men are becoming weaker is no coincidence due to the rise of female choice. They choose weak men because they like cute and helpless things. It's their nurturing instinct and why they like small animals, etc.

What happens when everyone puts 1% effort in to understanding who they are inside? I'm not saying this from a ho-ho your bubble is going to burst perspective, I'm saying it from a will that be enough or will there be another problem that needs to be fixed perspective.

I never said I dated any of them. Most were one night stands or weekly fuck buddies until I got bored.

But the point remains, they opened their legs and hearts genuinely for someone who wanted to see things from their perspective at the potential loss of societal standing. And it works. Because there are many forms of standing and I'd rather be a god among women then a pleb amongst men.

What degenerates don't understand is that we don't want sluts because we want an actual relationship not to be an absent baby daddy to four whores.

>Because there are many forms of standing and I'd rather be a god among women then a pleb amongst men.
Do you enjoy talking to women or do you endure it because it will make you a god among women?

Then you're left with the choices of:

A: Do I actually know how to listen and understand outside perspectives, and am I capable of doing that for this woman?

B: I am not capable of that and will crumble at the first curve ball she throws me(IE she has no idea how many people shes slept with, is on birth control because she admits she likes to have fun, etc).

How you respond is up to you but if they see you're making a genuine effort, even if you're just friends, its like fucking magic.

Suddenly you're 'inside' the bubble with them and they literally throw the secrets of understanding women at you. Just be perceptive and don't expect anything but to be treated like a human being.

Some women are trash and will take advantage, but most won't.

I'm bored with me. I'm a man. I know what its like being a man. Speaking to women is like reading a new book. It brings fresh air into me, I can see clearer and am far more interested in what they're saying as opposed to a man. I travel a lot and have seen many cultures and what thats led me to believe is the only culture that will truly be alien to me is that of womanhood. Once i realized that women suddenly became INCREDIBLY interesting. And that genuine interest gets them FUCKING WET. Most men don't actually care about what they think.

They are going to turn you gay and get you to cut your dick off eventually. This is what happens. You will become a woman.

>Like, black women, puerto rican women, etc
You realize that, objectively, white males are more desirable than in-race males from shitskins? Women don’t want Tyrone... women settle for Tyrone because they need to fuck something and he’s there.
Bragging about picking up Puerto Ricans and negresses is like being proud of banging hookers. It demonstrates a gross conceptual misunderstanding of the situation.

You miss my point, when you achieve your goals and all men in the world bar the autistics and schizos put effort in to understanding women, when all men put genuine effort in to it, what happens then?

A: women are satisfied with this new paradigm and all men (most men) get to be friends with women. There are no more gender issues as both women and men put effort in to understanding one another's unique problems.

B: women grow used to having this effort, it is no longer a cause to say "you're a real man" and is instead expected, the presence of it isn't positive, it's neutral, while its absence is no longer neutral, it's negative. As all men are now neutral a new discriminator needs to be applied to men in order to choose what you describe as a potential partner.

Women don’t choose weak men what kind of cope even is this

Tell us about the most interesting perspective on womanhood you ever heard from a woman.

Wouldn’t you get bored?

Come up with an explanation of how greater female choice led to men being more feminized.

I'll wait.

You talk like sex is the only purpose of living.
Get an exorcist.

I suppose you're asking what is the foreseeable endgame?

Standards of living rise because more women are making more taxable income.

Men are genuinely happier because they can admit they just want to fuck everything, and women have become safe to the point where a man admitting that isn't a threat to her(and her admitting she wants to fucking everything too won't lead to judgement by society), leading to literally everyone fucking everyone all the time.

The world is a happier place because more people are self realized and the children born in this world are more likely to be born into families that want them.

The list goes on and on.

I know its a massize mind fuck but men want free pussy is what it comes down to. Its much easier and the sex is way better if you let the women feel safe and come to you instead of chaining them up and forcing it through societal bullshit.

Controlled aggression is a male (descriptive) trait. Exercising that controlled aggression is masculine. Men (gender) used to exercise controlled aggression in fist fights in bars. Women didn't used to be allowed in bars unaccompanied by social convention. Accompanied women were protected by men. Women were later allowed in bars unaccompanied. Displays of controlled aggression made unaccompanied women feel unsafe as they didn't have anyone to protect them. Women lobbied bar owners and law enforcement to prevent displays of controlled aggression in a public place. Men were unable to exercise masculinity in a public place.

Learn English faggot

That women are people with feelings.

I know that not what you were looking for but thats the entire crux of it.

They don't want to break laws, they don't want society to crumble and for it all to rebuilt. They just want whats fair and since the only other side of the coin is men they have to compare what they want to what men have.

There is no reason for the dichotomy of men vs women except that we're the only ones here with them too.

Again you miss my point. According to you women give positive points to a man as a potential partner by the amount of effort he puts in to understanding her. In the future putting effort in to understanding a woman will not give you positive points in the potential partner column.

Consider that bathing used to be difficult so was limited to once a week or so. Men smelled bad. Smelling clean and fresh gave you positive points in the potential partner column. Today being clean and fresh is expected so it does not give you positive points in the potential partner column.

In the future putting effort in to understanding women will be like bathing, it will be something that is expected of all men. Not doing it will be a sign of social retardation if your end game is realised. Women will have to discriminate the men they fuck by something other than "puts effort in to understanding me" so what will that be?

You just proved my point that women having more say/rights leads to them forcing men to be less competitive and more feminine.

I meant something personal, not a statement that can be deduced by logically thinking about human beings for 30 seconds.

The most interesting way to be masculine to a women is without the typical 20th century idea of agression. Its a good idea to mix some of the old with the new but pretending that being able to be an asshole at bars is what turned men into feminists is crazy. Alcohol and aggressive people don't mix is actually your headline. It has nothing to do with women.

this, based and redpilled

You asked for an explanation of how greater female choice led to men being more femanised. I don't care about you so I didn't follow your argument, I have no idea what you're talking about but there's my example. Refute it or don't. #yolo

Empathy amongst genders will always be in vogue as far as picking a partner as it will always be in short supply.

Not everyone will just change. People will always be cunts. Its the ones that arent cunty that are the cream that rises above the milk.

Society rises and falls, things change. But imagining everyone getting along forever isn't possible.

Actually bar fights often lead to lifelong friendship. We're a simple species. We enjoy fighting, fucking and feasting. The idea that fighting is bad because somebody might get hurt is a feminine ideal which is one of the reasons we used to isolate women from things like warfare and bars.

Men enjoy fighting. It's cool if you don't but you are not all men. I'm not saying hurr durr one must be alpha caveman for women, I'm saying that getting drunk as fuck and punching a guy and getting punched back feels fucking great. Sitting down and buying each other a pint afterwards feels even better.

The presence of women caused that aspect of society to be neutered. Neutering something is not healthy. It manifests as you said, in people being assholes at bars. They want to punch someone but they can't because they'll be arrested when people call the police. They can't do the natural healing process of talking to the other guy and becoming friends because they're both in jail. This leads to actual evil to satisfy the repressed feelings.

I wouldn’t say that greater female choice caused it, rather they’re both symptoms of the direction society is moving in. I’ve never met a girl that was actually into the feminine Instagram/tumblr basedboy type. Lots of girls, particularly the uglier/lower social status ones, settle for guys like that because that’s what’s available to them, but the hottest girls still go for the hottest guys and vice versa. That’s not something that society is ever going to change.

So your end game is not to have all men enjoying this aspect of masculinity that you have discovered? Rethink that mate, would you also reserve the cure for cancer for a select few if you found it?

I also don't see the point of your OP if you don't want to change all men to put effort in to understanding women and feminism. Please explain what I'm missing to link the logic here.

There is nothing personal I could share that also applies to all women. Thats my entire point.

Women are individuals that get off when treated that way, the same as you. When you imagine they're some bloc, all that does is make you feel like all women reject you when one does, instead of it being one womans personal taste vs another.

Theres plenty of women that would love all of the posters in this thread if they stopped seeing them as a monolith and started seeing them as individuals.

>everything is about getting laid
you need to find a higher purpose in life before you wake up one day and realize your life is meaningless.
why do you think suicide rates are skyrocketing?

Have you ever experienced fighting someone in a bar and being friends after?

Or ever even seen it happen? I thought not.

stop watchign porn kid, your dick is gonna fall off

Spotted the woman. Yes. Of course. Life is boring. Dumb fucking bitch. What the fuck else would it be? You think you change the background and the time changes suddenly? Only a bimbo would be so fucking stupid.

I never suggested that all women are the same. I'm asking you to share the most interesting perspective on womanhood you've ever heard from a woman, singular.

Yes. You were wrong.

I didn't say all men couldn't enjoy it. I would literally LOVE for that to happen because if everyone else is enjoying life with women more that means I get to too.

The point of what you're responding to is that most men just aren't capable of it because of culture and how they were raised.

It takes a 'The Matrix' red pill blue pill moment of choice for them to see women as people or... something else.

Sleeping around is the problem

Well if we throw women back into the home it will get men laid as they struggle to survive.

There wasn't any one moment or thing. It doesn't work like that. Why are you under the assumption men are different than women? Have you ever actually sat down with a woman, taken a deep breath, let it all out and said, what the hell is going on with us? Why do I feel like you hate me or have an agenda? Why do I feel like you're different than me? I bet not.

Why is that? Because nobody fucks YOU?

Sage

Like men just want have sex all the time like dogs ,wtf is wrong with leftiods brains?too much porn?

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>That women are people with feelings.
That you think that's the most interesting or that they say that about themselves only proofs the point that most woman are stupid self absorbed cunts.
They don't want to break laws, they don't want society to crumble and for it all to rebuilt. They just want whats fair and since the only other side of the coin is men they have to compare what they want to what men have. They want what men have but not put in the same work, what's fair about that. I'm all for payment based on quality and or quantity, we'll see who earns more then. From what I've seen woman have almost the same work ethic as niggers. And overestimate how hard they work way too much.
There is no reason for the dichotomy of men vs women except that we're the only ones here with them too.
There is a reason for that. Men and woman are buildfor different roles. Division of labor is as fundamental concept to humanity as tool usage.

I do have to caveat my statement, I replied in haste because you were being a knob.

It was a long time ago, before getting in to a punch up was career ending. If the police did turn up it was only to give everyone involved a good kicking, not to process them and put it on record that they were a violent offender. But nobody ever called the police, they made a circle and cheered, intervening if the fight got too "oh shit he's literally trying to kill him" but otherwise just forming the ring.

It couldn't happen now. The fear of the police turning up leads to sneak attacks in the back of the head. You're right that we're coming at it from different angles. It's not something you will see in a big city. You're right to doubt, it seems alien to you. I can assure you that it was a better outcome than what we see today though.

>I’d rather be a god among women than a pleb amongst men.
You may get all the pussy you want, but you are still a raging homo. If you put pussy on a pedestal you become owned by it. You are owned by it. You sound like the kid who was picked last for on every team so you decided to play with the girls. That’s what works for you, ok. That being said you’re missing out on essential bonds that can only come from being in the company of men.

I have. Not being a faggot and standing up for yourself is exactly how you make friends. You would know this if you didn’t hang out with women all the time.

How will supporting feminism make me taller?

I've heard that one, it was one your tenets of the sexual revolution. "You will get laid if you let us whore ourselves". And here i am with my dick in my hand and no woman to sit on it. Women only are interested in a small number of men, so go fuck yourself with your bullshit.

"You may get all the pussy you want, but you're still a homo."

This is exactly why women trust me and not you. Your entire view about life is skewed to what you want it to be, not as an experience we all share in.

I'm not a homo and I get way more pussy than you. Deal with it.

>Standards of living rise because more women are making more taxable income.
This is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. The prices of everything just go up, you fucking clown.
>Housing bubbles, inflation

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I think you're being deliberately unfair to the group you see as "the other" in an attempt to dehumanise them. You're not doing this consciously, it's part of your natural ability as a member of a predatory species. You don't need any reason at all to see a group as "the other" and in this case it makes you more assertive to the women around you when you viciously rip in to these "others" with your words. You enjoy the desire you sense in women when you do this. You're a lion. I like that.

One day you will reflect on this attitude and you will realise they weren't so different to you after all. They just chose to see women as something different than you chose to see women as. Neither view is more right or wrong to you, because you are not a woman. Does this sound evil to you?

I'm really glad that I can go to a bar and not worry about a fucking fight circle erupting every five minutes. Thank god for women?

You sound like a total bitchboy, stating obvious things as if you're enlightend. Fuck off, you're not interesting or smart, just a peoples pleaser. And people eventually find out what kind of a slimy bootlicker you are.

You're just making yourself into an emotional bitch to short-term get close to a woman. She will eventually leave you and you will eventually turn gay.

Trust me, I'm older and wiser than you. You will regret going down this road and will end up being an emotional mess on drugs.

I do not believe that men are different to women. You said that they were, you said that men needed to put effort in to understanding women by asking women about womanhood.

I'm asking what the most profound thing you have learned from this is. Not the logical summation, anyone can surmise that, one woman sat down and told you something that made you feel something. What was it?

I hope you're deliberately exaggerating your fantasy scenario there.

Life is about so much more than getting laid you fucking degenerates, grow up

>Have you ever actually sat down with a woman, taken a deep breath, let it all out and said, what the hell is going on with us? Why do I feel like you hate me or have an agenda? Why do I feel like you're different than me? I bet not.

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>this is exactly why women trust me more than you
>I get more pussy than you
That’s nice, but I don’t care. So, you’re still a raging homo.

>your entire view about life is skewed to what you want it to be
That’s rich coming from a dude who is owned by pussy.

>wah I might get hurt
You are the kid who got picked last lmao

Oh he knows what he's doing. Everything he says and does is a deliberate action. Just loook how he types hefeels so in control, so superior for being the 1% of men that notices basic concepts. I bet he's a real creeper when he can't control the situation.

No, I think you just live in a shit part of town. I've been in bad neighborhoods where you can hear gunfire at night and the bars there were more peaceful than your imagined feminist free zone.

I was using it as an example of backwards thinking. Of course there is more to life than getting laid. Like finding the next person to fuck.

perhaps people who hold reactionary views have the goal of women sleeping around less and those with progressive views are the ones who want to get laid

>Wanting to fuck Chad's sloppy seconds

I got in a bar fight in budapest, some drunk Magyar attacked me and 3 buddies, he broke a glass on one of the guys face and turned to me and punched me... but then we beat him to a pulp and ran away.

It wasn’t friendly in the slightest

When I can't control the situation or understand it, I take a step back and try to put myself in the shoes of those around me. Then I ask questions with the hope that getting more information as a person who means no harm is understood. Then the information is given to me. I understand the other party better and they have more faith in humanity being understanding.

Exactly. I think what they're imagining is the beginnings of a fantasy where their dad loved them and the actually understand what it means to be a man.

MUH BAR FIGHTS AND BLOOD

MUH WIFE IN THE KITCHEN

as hard as that is to believe for a sheltered new english student bar fights and women homemakers are a very ordinary sight in normal world

The world isnt yours to decide what is normal and what isn't. There are a lot of assumptions you have haha

normal is what is considered normal by majority of people, regardless of what you or me might think

Opposition to feminism, to not be hypocritical, must oppose sexual liberation and therefore support celibacy. Mgtow and similar groups just want a male oriented sexual liberation, and are nothing more than the flip side of the gender theory dialectic