American caravan arrives in Canadian 'birthplace of insulin' for cheaper medicine

I've said this before - health care is a big vulnerability for Trump in 2020. Prices keep going UP. He has failed to even just control healthcare prices, let along bring them down. A lot of people are increasingly enraged at this state of affairs.

US pharma companies do all the research and development.
That costs money.

Americans don't get to vote based on what they want, they vote for WHO they want. Problem is that the people they vote for are paid off, and take turns blaming each other as they collectively sell Americans to corporations.

>American pharmaceuticals are the only companies in the world who are doing R and D.

>There are no pharmaceuticals outside the US.

>the scale is equal across the globe

Insulin was first processed in Toronto, Novo Nordisk is Danish.

so just deport them back to trumpistan?

Not a good answer, since "insulin" is an old product, not a newly-developed drug. And drug "innovation" in general has been DECLINING as pharma prices have risen.

America truly is third world.
So glad my ancestors were not criminals or lunatics and weren't shipped off to that shithole.

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Bullshit. Walmart sells Novolin R and NPH for $25 a bottle. One bottle is around 3-4 weeks worth of insulin.
t. type-1 diabetic(the non-fatass kind)

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except you can get the same exact thing that costs thousands of dollars in the US for a fraction of the price anywhere else in the world

because porky will screw you unless you shoot him, every time

the main manufacuter of the most popular/effective insulin right now is not an american company

there are really only three companies that even produce insulin

>using three decades old technology when you can get novolog for like $5 in europe

Because money controls pur politics. We need publicly financed elections. We will save so much money then because right now the cost of corporations buying politicians is passed down to us anyway, plus the huge extra costs to us of the bad legislation.

But conservacucks muh chamber of commerce muh deregulation. Same shit with illegal immigration and pollution / toxic consumer products.

American big pharma is probably the most evil and greedy institution on the planet. Consider Infant circumcision , a multi billion dollar a year industry. Big pharma invests millions upon millions for propaganda in medical texts and medical journals and positive media coverage , to ensure that no one in the public ever criticizes the practice of tying down baby boys and forcibly tearing the fused foreskin from the glans , then amputating 15 sq inches of sex organ tissue , leaving the boy with an open wound to be covered in feces and urine in his diaper. each amputated foreskin can be processed for up to $100k usd a piece.

cant get a job with decent benefits so drive to Canada to buy cheep insulin (I thought medicine was free in Canada?).

That isn't the same kind of insulin, you're comparing apples to old oranges. NPH doesn't even have a long lasting variant (only intermediate), so you're dosing around every 8 hours and worrying about overlap and half life, plus it doesn't have the same smooth effect, more highs and lows. The fast acting also takes significantly longer to fully metabolise.

Yes, it is cheap, but it's older insulin and is objectively less effective. Canadians are basically getting current insulins for the price you're suggesting people downgrade to an obselete generation of medications. So why do Americans only get the inferior insulin at this price, and availability?

American pharmaceuticals run a monopolistic cartel with the insurance agencies.
Canadians get their meds from around the world.
Also, because Canada doesn't have Obamacare, Canada didn't get the gargantuan price hike from 2015.
The final contributing factor is that they pay taxes for their healthcare service. Same shit that keeps the British NHS "free".

Don't need novolog. Also, N and R can be bought without an Rx. The trick with insulin is keeping the bolus stable and minimize glucose spiking. That's why insulin pumps are so fantastic.

in a properly functioning free market, when a little thing like insulin costs thousands of dollars a month, that is a price signal for companies to form to produce insulin to profit from this ridiculous price.
as the supply of insulin floods the market, the price plummets.
Insulin is not a complicated substance to manufacture.
electrical components are far more complicated to manufacture, yet high en computers can be bought for less than a monthly supply of insulin. the problem is not with the free market, but with our bizarre healthcare regulations, I'm sure of it.

i used a pump for 20 years but my sites always start absorbing worse after a day or so, ive switched to using treseba and novolog. Injections are a lot better than when i last used them.

Still i tried u-500 in a pump a few years ago, and even though it was fast acting since it was so concentrated it behaved more like an r, keeping track of boluses became really annoying.

The point though, is that even that $25 wallmart insulin would be cheaper elsewhere. When i was first diagnosed it took like $50 a month for insulin for me, now its a couple thousand, but here only. Price is the same everywhere else. In russia you can apparently get a box of humalog for like $10 (how much is in a box was not specified to me)
You really cant defend that.

Because getting newer insulins means going to an endodoc, who will rape you in the wallet unless you have great insurance(and the job to get it) or you're a fucking illegal or nigger.
Newer insulins aren't as great as people think. Unless you're using a pump, you're going to suffer bolus problems regardless. And the cost of insulin pumps/service costs a huge amount of money, even in Canada. Also, Canadians pay a fuckton for insulin out of their taxes. Medicine isn't cheap up there. It comes out of your pay/property/shit you buy. Also, Canada doesn't have a valid military so they can afford to spend more on their citizens healthcare while relying on US taxpayers to foot the bill for defense. Even with this, they still pay more in taxes than we do. They're getting ripped off more than us and get shittier service.

And every year I still watch my insurance premiums and deductibles increase... I have to hit the deductible from out of pocket, then I have to pay 20% on medications, 20% on $320x(3-4 vials) per 3 months is not insignificant. Especially not on top of the other shit you pay for.

I remember our guy was trying to draw attention to how FUCKED IP/patent/copyright laws have become and how they're absolutely the reason the jewish monopolists in Big Pharma can get away with price-hiking all our medicine to the moon. By sticker shocking people by smashing them with a huge price hike at once it made the goyim ANGRY. Why is that guy in prison now by the way when the bitch who keeps jacking the price of Epipen up every quarter gets away with it? Is it because she's a democrat senator's daughter and it's okay when they do it?

Medical stuff costs as much as they can get from people. WIth insulin you can actually get it for free from the manufacturers if you fill out an application, its easier for them to increase the price by two orders of magnitude and just give it away to the people who ask than to simply price it reasonably.

If god made you need that shit maybe you should just fucking die ?

>Pharmaceutical companies will have to reveal the price for many prescription drugs in TV commercials, undera new ruleannounced by the Trump administration Wednesday. The requirement is part of President Trump's efforts to crack down on drug costs.
>Mr. Trump has been an outspoken critic of drug companies for high prices, accusing them of "getting away with murder." Republicans and Democrats in Congress have both supported calls for cutting prescription drug costs, but they don't always agree on the solutions.
>The administration last year releaseda blueprintto lower drug costs, though many of its proposals have not been put into action.

if you've ever taken antibiotics you should shoot yourself

Medicare and insurance allow for people getting ripped off. If out of pocket were the only option available, drugs would be a lot cheaper. In fact, that's how things were until about 30 years ago, as more and more people got medical coverage.
It's sort of like how the federal government pays hundreds of dollars for toilet seats. When you have access to stolen tax funds, why not charge a fortune? People in Russia don't have medicare and health insurance like Americans so in order to sell insulin in Russia, Lilly and Novo have to price the shit where people can afford it.

We still don't know what causes type one diabetes, and the rates increase every year.

Genetics. Then keeping those genetics alive to reproduce instead of dying. Allowing shit genes to keep going is irresponsible and shitty to the children that have to deal with it later.

Thanks for reminding me I have to pay more for my drugs to subsidize people who hate my country.

High fructose corn syrup in everything for $500 Alex.

That would be convenient.

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Yeah, insurance drives prices up, you can see this more recently with veterinary insurance. things like xrays on a dog are massively more expensive than they were just ten years ago.

The thing is insurance has worked its way in to the system. We dont have insurance anymore, we have healthcare providers, which are effectively a subscription service.

So the insurance companies charge a rate to everyone that people are willing to pay, and made lots of money, but then the medical providers increased prices, prices to a point that the insurance companies are able to pay them and still profit themselves, so now they profit, the medical industry profits, they are both happy with the setup. They even raise prices intentionally to make sure people feel obliged to get insurance. In their deals with hospitals and such some places must charge people paying out of pocket more than they get from the insurance even as part of their contract with the insurance. Its a system set up to extract from the common person. ACA came in, and what was it? Nothing to lower prices, everything but that, just guarantees that now taxes go into the system so the people who were escaping being exploited could also be exploited, more extraction.

You will pay the maximum they can get you to pay. Medical costs have nothing to do with what it actually costs to provide the service.

>thats type two

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A bunch of white American niggers that couldn't put the fucking butter and sugar down goes to Canadian pharmacy to get drugs they shouldn't need because they were fucking boss hog pie eating cunts.

It’s time to address the real reason, non of these prices skyrocketed until kangz dindu brought about ACA and the kikes in the med industry were foaming at the mouth to reap the benefits of forced insurance. None of this was ever an issue until that shit-tier community organizer and his silver back wife started shilling muh healthcare.

most type 2s dont need insulin

A business doesn't offer services at cost?

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Prices were going up before ACA, which is the reason it got traction. The problem is ACA did absolutely nothing to lower prices, only to guarantee whatever the prices were would now be paid.

Are we talking prep or insulin?

This is dumb. They spend WAY more on marketing than on R&D. Part of that is because we allow commercials to trick retards into asking their doctors for medicines they don't need. Most of the reason for expensive pharms in the US is because they can. Powerful lobbying. You can buy name brand of almost of a third of all drugs in other developed countries for cheaper than the generics cost in the US. Generic money doesn't even go to the companies that made the original drug. It's ridiculous man. It's corporate shenanigans at a level normal humans can't effect without being corrupted by the money involved.

Yeah and it frustrates me that the GOP doesn't seem to have any idea how to tackle this issue. Realistically we should be looking at other countries with private health care systems and copying what they do to keep costs down, Germany has a private health insurance market but they aren't paying $1,000 out of pocket for care that's been standard since the 80's. This shit is really getting out of hand and someone needs to sit down with the chamber of commerce folks and explain that the gravy train is going to end, either they find some way of lowering costs or the public is going to support a nationalization of the industry, and frankly it gets harder to argue against that whenever you have the misfortune of actually dealing with the fuckers at the insurance company. We're already paying more than other countries are for base coverage, coverage the insurance company will do it's level best to cheat you out of and which you'll probably still end up paying for a good chunk of thanks to "out of pocket" bullshit.

Except Novo Nordisk are Danish through and through.

ya haf a license for that salt?

Doesn't insurance cover for insulin?

Alot of the time they get money from the government to work on new medicines. It's all really fucked up.

Not the fancy insulins that fatties who don't like to think about what they're doing like to use.

>Medical stuff costs as much as they can get from people.
that's true, but the consumer in the case is the federal government, for the most part.
if people were picking insulin out online from hundreds of different suppliers from around the world, like on amazon, and having it shipped directly to them, I can assure you, the price would plummet! The free market does indeed work, commie.

Now, one person died from an allergic reaction to the insulin. So they had to raise the safety standards because of liability. Now millions can't afford it.

Good job everyone.

The ACA drove everything up. Before nignog, I paid $250 a month for a family of 4 and a $500 dollar deductible, any medications from prescriptions were always under $20 bucks, the second this shit scam insurance was mandated (to subsidize fat niggers to lazy to use the free healthcare they already had by sitting in the emergency room with spics) my insurance went up to $1500 a month and a 10K deductible, that’s glownigger tier Interest rates if I’ve ever seen it. I refuse to be so unhealthy that I have to pay 10k a year so that muh insurance covers 80%.

Yes, but most cheaper insurance plans have deductibles in the thousands of dollars, and the ones that dont are themselves many thousands of dollars a year.

The average employer-paid insurance plan in the US, about 5 years ago, was $18k for a family plan, and $7k for an individual.
Thats the average.

Anyone who has insurance through their employer is basally getting paid ~$10-15k more a year than their actual salary via their insurance costs.

They use thie rising cost of healthcare to justify the stagnating wages even.

Thing is they are all part of the system that allows this sort of thing to happen. Healthcare price per capita in the US is double that of germany, the next most expensive healthcare on the planet. (this is also about 5 years out of date information things might have changed).
Thats the problem. Things like insulin being two orders of magnitude more expensive than it was in the 90s is just a nice example.

Could a person become wealthy smuggling things across the Canadian-US border, in Minecraft?
Apparently, Canadians need food, and Amerifats need insulin, in Minecraft. Way I see it, you could just get a boat, and be carrying cargo both ways, in Minecraft.

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Ironic how it was sold as virtuous, and affordable care yet this nog gets the Nobel peace prize while white Americans choose between food and medicine.

There are only a hand full of insulin producers and they do 'shadow pricing'.
Understand that pharmacutical companies price things like car salesmen. The sticker price is not the actual price, but people paying out of pocket dont get to negotiate with them, the negotiations are in secret with each insurance company and pharmacy. So they all follow each others sticker price up and up and up, and everyone knows thats not the actual price, but it is the actual price you have to pay if you want to pay out of pocket.

It's not just that either.
Much of the cost is legitimate. It takes a HUGE amount of money to engineer medicine and medical devices. Science and engineering at that level is costly, like aerospace. The margins are tight. And somebody's gotta pay for it. Granted, drug company CEOs are taking home a lot of cash, but nowhere near the tens of billions annually their companies are making from the drugs. Same with medical machinery manufacturers. If you think drugs are expensive, go look at the price for a new MRI unit.
The problem here is, society DEMANDS the best when it comes to drugs and care. Just getting basic care isn't enough anymore. You need to go through all kinds of expensive lab work and machines to "stay healthy", and the price of the chemistry and engineering of all of this is FAR higher than it was 50 years ago due to the rigid standards and technology involved. Fucking eye machines with $10,000 German optics in them.

The software, technology, science and chemistry involved in medicine is extreme. It's the kind of shit normally reserved for R&D in aerospace or exotic car manufacture. And Americans paying more for drugs also helps others pay less. If we weren't paying a lot for our shit, the cost to other countries would be higher to cover. Like it or not, medical science is stupid costly. And more people die when you cheap out.

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The one thing I agree with the Democrats on is healthcare.

Sounds like someone just took the opportunity to justify screwing you. What happened with ACA was the free tax money it promised providers was prevented from happening at the last minute, and so insurance companies actually started to take lossess for a while and panicked. If you had your insurance through a large organization they probably had the bargaining power to keep thigns stable, but if you were self insured the insurance companies probably just used you to compensate.

Actually our federal taxes are not bad compared to yours.

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The problem is in the way their healthcare will be implemented. Think about 'free tuition'. It's literally a blank check for colleges already guilty of overspending and massively inflating administrative positions while not allowing the salaries of their actual educators to even keep up with inflation. Now imagine free healthcare in the US. It will be 1000x worse than that. We don't let people die here. We spend millions keeping dead veggies breathing with tubes. We provide endless care to every fattie who calls an ambulance because they've got a cold and don't want to drive. Now imagine everyone acting like that. We have no social contract here. It's every man for himself. And in that type of environment, there will be more financial waste than you can possibly imagine the second the individual is no longer responsible for what is being spent on him. Free healthcare, at the very least, needs to wait until the boomers die and until we figure out a healthier immigration policy.

>Much of the cost is legitimate
I dont buy this, or rather it may well be at any given point along the chain, but its high because the things they must pay are also inflated, its inflated all along the process, each step must make profit and so by the time you get to the end you are bleeding money everywhere.

Middlemen are not good for production.

Also, if r&d takes so much money, what good is having secretive r&d that doesn't share information across companies? They are wanting to find secret exclusives, and so how many inventions were invented many times over and at the cost of how much?

Then as pointed out in this thread before, marketing (though insulin is not really marketed the same due to the low number of manufacturers, but other drugs are massively marketed), that costs money, and when you are simply alternatives competing for the consumer who will have to buy one of you, its not like you are attracting new people into the market who might otherwise not have bought anything at all, you are basically spending money to get someone to buy your exclusive. Its wasteful in multiple levels.

Their solution is stupid.
Did you know medicare can not negotiate the way insurance companies can? It cant because the medical lobby convinced congress it would be unfair for the private insurance companies if medicare, which is massive by comparison, got to negotiate prices. This very fact admits that a large joint bargaining power can be far more effective at getting good prices than a bunch of individual private insurers, this very fact admits that even government ran joint bargaining power would be more effective (as is proven to work elsewhere as well). Not that single payer is the ideal system, but it would be better than what we have.

That's because most of our Jew tokens go towards DoD spending and protecting Israeli interests.

Thats not how it works though.
'free tuition' means that now the government is paying for everything, the institution has to negotiate those prices with the government, there is nothing that sets the price but this negotiation.

The way it works now is they are free to charge what ever they want, the people who can afford it will pay it, and then they can say "look at all these unfortunate people who cant afford college! How unfair! Maybe the government should provide financial aid!" And so people vote for the government to do that, and now the colleges are getting the price they wanted, not the price the government wanted.

Too bad Dems care about is healthcare for illegal immigrants and don't care about their own people nowadays.

This is 100% a publicity stunt done to raise awareness rather than seek a solution to the issue.

Because in a supply and demand economy the demand to continue living is infinite.

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>my shitty life decisions is and caused me to flee to another country
Many such cases!

Post the in pharmacy prices and there will be an end to this horror.

The ACA resulted in higher bonuses for the c-suite in virtually every insurance provider. The government doesn't negotiate for the benefit of the majority. Do you genuinely believe that prices would go down in the event of 'free tuition' or 'free healthcare'?

If consumers could buy insulin online and have it delivered to them from around the world, the price of insulin would be very affordable. That's a free market solution. it gives consumers choice, and allows competition to take market share from the big producers that have grown massive due to government regulations.

I don't get how you can lick boots this hard and keep a straight face.

Even fucking prison in your country has free healthcare, and so does the military, and yet you want everyone but soldiers and felons to live in an unsocial and alienated shithole of a society where people have a choice between being indentured servants for the rest of their lives or die from easily fixed medical problems.

America's problem is literally its atomized individualism and your arguments is the evidence.

Get out fucking niggers, that will driver our prices up. Fix your own mess

Socialism is never in the people's interest, free healthcare doesn't work

That would already be the case if the public option were left in the ACA.

>Socialism is never in the people's interest, free healthcare doesn't work

socialism is the dream of sadists who want to have the power to decided how much resources they personally believe every individual should get (for the greater good, of course)

Saving $3000 every 3 months is worth a day trip.

>Also, if r&d takes so much money, what good is having secretive r&d that doesn't share information across companies? They are wanting to find secret exclusives, and so how many inventions were invented many times over and at the cost of how much?
Because to make the money back you have to patent that shit. Also because rich people wanna get rich. You're not going to change that regardless. Trying to outsmart intelligent and greedy sociopaths is futile because the fuckers will always be several steps ahead of you. You might not like this or agree with it but until we use eugenics and genocide to cleanse our species, that's the way it is going to be despite any protest to the contrary.

Think about it, if communism/socialism was a threat to corporations, they wouldn't be siding with pro-communist/socialist groups.

It's already possible. Get a print-out prescription from your doctor, order from an online canadian pharmacy. Name-brand lexapro in the US is $360. In canada it's $60. Cheapest I've found in online canadian pharmacies is around $90 though.

Agreed, atomized individualism is 100% the problem here. It's everything wrong with western society as we know it currently. It's also the reason why welfare programs don't function as well in the US as they do in more homogenous countries where there is still an effective social contract. If you figure out a way to fix it, let me know. I'll do my part by helping my family and friends as much as I can, but it won't fix society and make programs like free college and free healthcare feasible.

Also prison healthcare is absolute garbage here. And military healthcare is "earned".

They know the solution, or could, but benefit from the pharma kick backs.

>The ACA resulted in higher bonuses
Because the ACA did nothing nor attempted to do anything about prices. ACA was 100% a scam written by insurance companies.

You dont need belief, we see the price of these things in countries where the government negotiates/regulates prices go down.

We already have 'free tuition', financial aid already exists. It works exactly as i describe.

Currently colleges get what they ask because they do not have regulated prices, the 'market' regulates them, and what does the market do? They simply jack up the prices to the point that the richest are willing to pay, then tell the government to give them money for everyone who cant afford it now.

I happen to know about both of these subjects of insulin/healthcare and tuition, as ive been diabetic for 25 years and my mom has worked in financial aid for 30.

Markets can only regulate luxuries. Anything required, be it actual requirements like medical care or socially perceived requirements like college will get government assistance, thats simply a given, governments would be useless if they did not help people with things required, the entire reason we started forming civilizations was to be more famine resistant, now if one villages crop failed there was a safety net.
So the government (which means tax payers) are paying for these things, they are doing it even now, and they will continue to do it right up untill just before the collapse of western civilization. The question is what form of guaranteed government support is less expensive? And the answer is when the government can set the price.

>military healthcare is "earned".
Hardly. A few years in the chair force, and you have insurance for life.

Obvious quotations were obvious.

That said only crack-head homeless ex-soldiers use their 'free healthcare' after they get out unless they did a full 20 years and got the good stuff.

>Socialism is never in the people's interest, free healthcare doesn't work

Go back to your xbox kiddo. Adults are talking.

They arent, all identity politics are distractions. SJW arent socialists they are liberals.

The government is paying most of the medical costs in the usa. So the company spends a lot of money on r&d for their 'new' insulin, then begs the government buy this 'new' insulin at a ridiculous price because they spent so much money 'researching' it (maybe they spent so much money because they knew the government would pay an inflated price in advance).

In a actual free market, the product is not guaranteed to be successful no matter how much they spend making it. They can ask consumers to pay a ridiculous price but consumers simply won't buy the product if they can't afford it.

The government doesn't have this problem.

So there is a criminal racket happening right now, and the tax-payer is getting screwed. It's organized crime between the government and pharma companies and their shareholders.

All the ones with DUI convictions were turned back to die in their home country by the cruel Canadian Government. FASCISTS!!!!!

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>Canada will import our land whales
Making the country great again one self removal at a time.

>Markets can only regulate luxuries.
Commie confirmed. Hopefully the gubbament will set bread prices low enough that we can a daily ration's worth just from our labor.

I agree about the ACA being a scam written by insurance companies. In our current state, that's what 'universal healthcare' will be as well. We are an individualist country where corporate corruption isn't even considered corruption, it's just lobbying. If we ask our government to set prices for us, I'm confident that it won't benefit the people you think it will. But we'll see, it'll happen in our lifetime.

You seem to have an interest in avoiding regulation.