To all Christians out there, think about this

The cross is not an idol, is a symbol that represents christ's sacrifice. Christians use a lot of other symbols too, like the breaking of the bread, the drinking of the wine, the Eucharist, the lamb, etc

If it were a spear then a spear would be used

There's also some christians who use the fish, if you don't like the cross you can use the fish

there's no if, you moron.

>Jesus is God.
In this context, you're actually mixing up the god that is properly called Yahweh, the Asian god of the Judeo-Christians with God, the contracted form of Godan which is Lombardic spelling of Wodan of Germanic paganism. Godan's name was often shortend to God, but remains an exclusive god of the Aryans, not to be appropriated. Judeo-Christians can shorten Yahweh's name to Yah, but they may not use the word God. It is actually blasphemy that offends Godan. It would seem that Judeo-Christians would want to use the word Yahweh given their obsession with Jews and Rabbi Jesus . It's even the name that Rabbi Jesus himself used and he would agree with me that it's wrong to steal Godan's name. Judeo-Christians do though say Hallelujah, which does include Yah, the shortend form of their Jew-god.
Christfags disingenuously use the word "God" instead of Yahweh to fake being white and to disguise their Jewish religion. They literally lie every time they say God ( Godan ). They are literally trying to turn whites into Jews by this cowardly and deceptive tactic.
Jesus wasn't a real person.

Depending on the book in the bible, Jesus was not crucified on a cross, but a fig tree with a board nailed to the top. The cross comes from a much earlier archetype named Tamuz who shares many similarities to Jesus.

worship the true celtic cross

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yep, jesus is god. says right here in dis here book

Now you know why JW don't use crosses. Pic related is how Jesus really died. What you are unaware of is the the word cross is latin for Crux. That word was was taken from the words from Greek "Stauros" and "xylon." The Gospel writers all use xylon to refer to the staves or clubs that the mob carried when they came to take Jesus. (See Matthew 26:47, 55; Mark 14:43, 48; Luke 22:52.) The same word was used to describe Christ impaled on a Xylon, or a wooden club/stick.

They also used the word "Stauros" for Christ as well. Stauros means tree, pole, stake, pile where as Xylon just means wood. What you need to be aware of is that the idea of "cross" back then only meant stick and pole. Not two crossed sticks together. In fact, that's how the Romans use to execute prisoners, on poles, not actual crosses.

The concept of using a cross comes from Pagan religions. They used crosses in their religions so the apostates of the ancient world adopted it, like Christmas, to make it easier to convert pagans.

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Why did pagans use crosses?

Question: Are you part of the all American cult called "Jehovah's Witnesses" ?
Sound exactly like JW propaganda.

Indeed, that is the reason they adopted:
>Easter
>Christmas
>All Hollow's Eve
>The use of the Cross
Some more I don't remember

But, here's a reminder:

Jeremiah 10:3-5

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

also:

Deuteronomy 12:30-31

30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.

31 Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

Even if it was used to convert pagans, it is strictly forbidden to apply new customs and traditions to what was already teached in The Bible, thing that the Catholic Church has done.

The consequences of that are as follow:

Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

It's not an idol, it's a symbol.

the cross doesn't come from pagan religions, it comes from how Rome is known to have executed people. You're right that the word in greek is stauros but you're assuming an inflexibility of language that isn't justified. The cross can be described as a pole or a stake just like it's sometimes flippantly described as a "stick." Early Christians revered Jesus and the way he died, it's silly to think they all forgot a decade or two after his death. The church in Jerusalem was using the cross and we know they had trouble accepting converts eating unclean food, but yet they readily conform to a pagan symbol? The Jehovah's witnesses are silly

its an ancient symbol of the divinity of the manly man. it's like that brad paisly quote. You are the star of your own movie or sum shit. keep turning pages bob seger.

More than likely because of the Cygnus constellation up in the sky which can be imagined into a cross. It's the same reason why the Swastika exist all around the world. It's because of the Constellation Ursa Major, aka Big Dipper. Every season, the big dipper changes position in a circle which mimics a bent cross.

Blessed and breadpilled.

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No, I ain't even american

I'm not downplaying the sacrifice of Christ, it had to be done in order to get forgiveness from our sins.

What I'm saying is that the cross by itself is just the means to that purpose, that is all

The Ichthys was the main Christian symbol in its early days and it probably would have just stayed that way

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wow or maybe it's because Rome executed people on crosses routinely, a fact that is supported by archaeological records that no one disputes except for Jehovah's witnesses who think they recovered a lost truth because they own a Strong's Concordance

>the cross doesn't come from pagan religions

do some research on the origin of the cross and see for yourself

>The church in Jerusalem was using the cross

cite one Bible verse where that is true

BTW, it's bullshit. Christians have used the Cross and Crucifix as a reminder of the passion of the Christ.
The Crucifix is a testimony against docetists who Mohammedans have appropriated and spread..

>do some research on the origin of the cross and see for yourself
The cross is two intersecting lines. Wow, pagans had a symbol that is also two intersecting lines. Or maybe the cross is shaped how it is because that's a good shape for nailing the human body to wood in order to torture them before they die, as we know Romans did by the thousands.

>cite one Bible verse where that is true

We know they used crosses because we still have their crosses in museums.

>the cross doesn't come from pagan religions,

It does

>it comes from how Rome is known to have executed people. You're right that the word in greek is stauros but you're assuming an inflexibility of language that isn't justified. The cross can be described as a pole or a stake just like it's sometimes flippantly described as a "stick."

True, but Bible writers also used Xylon which is just a piece of wood or club. That Christ did not die on the traditionally shaped cross is also indicated by the Bible itself. It repeatedly tells of his dying on a tree, the Greek word being xylon. (Luke 23:31; Acts 5:30;10:39.) Xylon simply means “timber,” and “by implication a stick, club or tree or other wooden article or substance.

That is why the Gospel writers all use xylon to refer to the staves or clubs that the mob carried when they came to take Jesus. (See Matthew 26:47, 55; Mark 14:43, 48; Luke 22:52.) By saying that Christ died on a xylon these indicated that Christ died on a timber, a piece of wood.
Early Christians revered Jesus and the way he died, it's silly to think they all forgot a decade or two after his death. The church in Jerusalem was using the cross and we know they had trouble accepting converts eating unclean food, but yet they readily conform to a pagan symbol? The Jehovah's witnesses are silly

>that posture
Who the fuck puts presents under a tree like that?
Also, if I bend to tie a shoe, im not praying to the god of boots

Humanity works off of symbols and even the kikes have their hexagram.

Truth be told the bible is imperfect. If you can’t accept that fucking kill yourself. The bible is what you get after creating a canon millennia after all books are written.
Imperfection is what you get at the end of the world’s longest game of Telephone
God naturally allows these imperfections due to our free will.
It is then debatable whether added symbolism is bad or not, if the books themselves are imperfect to begin with.
Conclusion: It’s all bullshit.

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RIP Franco Zeffirelli 1923-2019 (Even though you were a degenerate sodomite - Lord have mercy on his soul)

What if you didn't make retarded slide threads?

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Christians don't worship the cross.

>It does
sure, sure, and we know pagans used fish in their symbology, that means fish come from paganism, pay no attention to those things in the water.

> but Bible writers also used Xylon which is just a piece of wood or club

They used Xylon because it means lumber. Jesus was crucified on lumber. Staves and clubs are also lumber. Does the sentence "Jesus was nailed to wood" rule out a cross? Your semantic rigidity is artificial and created wholly by a bunch of lay people flipping through a concordance and drawing unfounded conclusions from it''s brief definitions.

You have trapped yourself in baseless dogma user, that which has strangled Christianity for century's.

You also ignore the point of the unique attributes to the cross and Jesus's particular way of death itself. All pertaining unique psychological and philosophical characteristic. It isn't the worship of an idol because no Christian worships the cross, it only represents Christ, Christianity and its philosophy.

The Bible wasn't saying symbols cannot exist it was stating that holding false Gods is a sin.

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>sure, sure, and we know pagans used fish in their symbology, that means fish come from paganism, pay no attention to those things in the water.

The IDEA of using fish in worship is pagan. See Pope's hat. It's the fish god Dagon from Babylon. The use of crosses in worship in the Bible is actually from the Babylonian god Tammuz. The Jews in captivity in Babylon adopted the mysticism of the Babylonians and thus (((they))) were born. This practice would continue down to the Christian era.

>“The shape of the [two-beamed cross] had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the cross of Christ.”—An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words (London, 1962), W. E. Vine, p. 256.

what if all religions were delusions. oh wait their is no what if. thats a fact

You know what truly represents Christ?

The Passover.

It is the reason why he sacrificed himself in the cross, so that the Passover can take effect, because it is written:

John 6:53-54
53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

and what is this flesh and blood?

Matthew 26:26-30

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

BAHAHAHA !
Dude. JWs are a sad pathetic American cult. They claim everything Christianity teaches is paganism, they refuse to call their worship buildings "churches" because the Germanic word "church" has a pagan origin. Yet, they have no issues with wedding rings even if they're pagan... Many things we do are of pagan origins but are accepted by your leaders.
jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/pagan-practices.php

Would like to add. The Bible, especially the OT, is pretty much full of pagan practices.
Animal sacrifices ARE "pagan" rituals. The passover meal (the Eucharist's origin) tradition is believed to come from an old Near-Eastern (Canaanite) ritual for spring harvest.
myjewishlearning.com/article/passover-pesach-history/

>evades point
>not understanding symbolism

Instead of whining over trivia, consider dealing with real problems effecting Christianity.

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Thankyou for quoting the Bible. Some of us do not own Bibles, so we rely on Judeo-Christian rabbis to teach us about Judeo-Christian god; Yahweh and Rabbi Yeshua HaMashiach.

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Protestants are just as bad as Catholics.

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Actually laughed out loud.. Thanks user

The cross is not an idol, at least not in the Biblical sense.

The idol they are talking about is the pagan belief that the spirit of the god actually embodies the statue. So, if you worshiped god X, and had a idol of that god, you believed that the god itself was in the image.

That's totally different from the way that Christians view the cross, or even the crucifix.

sure, its all about a cross. keep pointing