1. Sweden's socialism reduces wealth inequality. The government directly owns the means of production in many cases. The Swedish government controls many stocks in oil and manufacturing. This is the means of production being directly owned by the state and as a democracy this means the PEOPLE.
2. Sweden's extremely high progressive tax and welfare policies keep the population generally in the same income bracket. If you're rich and own a company but the government taxes your income at 90%, it's basically like they own the means of production, and you only get to keep a tiny bit. Meanwhile you have to pay the workers a high amount to be above minimum wage, and pay welfare to those who need it meaning the workers can easily quit at any time, giving them more bargaining power. In this sense the workers have more power than the bourgeois.
3. Sexual revolution has liberated the working people from the needs of consumerism. In America sexual repression is what drove the desire to consume. People were repressing their desire for sex so they had to get pleasure in other ways. This made it very easy for advertisers to exploit people into mindless consumerism for cigarettes and alcohol while in Sweden people are content with free education, and a nice modest lifestyle
4. Prostitution: As a feminist this really bugs me about America. Pimps and gangster get rich working with the cops while the prostitutes on the streets who are victims of oppression get arrested and charged (unless they can afford to practice off the streets exemplifying classism in America). In Sweden it is seen the sex buyers and pimps get arrested and charged while the prostitutes get let free. This is called the Nordic Model. This is because we see the sex buyers and pimps as the bourgeois using their capital to oppress the women and exploit them into sex. No different than what Weinstein did. America is run by wealth, Sweden is run by Principal
>Sexual revolution has liberated the working people from the needs of consumerism. is that why faggots are the most conspicuously consumerist shits on the face of this earth?
Ryan Taylor
I see the EU thought police is out today. Your thread didn't even reach bump limit. Plus the jannies might even bust this thread you nigger. Stop being socialist and research real economics, a mix between the two would be nice. Mixed economies do better in high tech industrialized societies like America currently. Other than that, kys nigger.
Because you're using a fucking memeflag I've no idea what perspective you're coming from, but it's not. It's further in that direction than most other mixed economy democracies but it's not a socialist country, any more than the US is a laissez-faire capitalist country. Both are mixed, with different levels of public vs private.
Elijah Clark
That's not true at all, most gays are content in a small apartment with a few gadgets. It's rednecks who want muh 500 achors with muh big diesel truck
Daniel Morgan
>Mixed economies do better in high tech industrialized societies like America currently. Please learn basic economics, come back.
Colton Russell
Is a socialist country that doesn't work proof it doesnt work?
Mason Fisher
US was socialist too in 2008. U.S federal government bought tons of stock in banking and automotive manufacturing to prop up the economy, thus owning the means of production temporarly.
Josiah Bailey
ok well you are an insane little gentile cracker with absolutely zero lived experience in the real world, dont post on this forum again if you arent willing to do so with at least a MODICUM of brevity 7 paragraphs=fuck off
Chase Powell
Sweden works though, happiest country on earth.
Cooper Johnson
Your entire economy is in a bubble and your welfare system is retarded
Sweden is proof that with a sufficiently small and homogeneous white population, just about any moronic form of government can work, as long as you don't let women run things. Once you do, they will happily import a sufficient number of thirsty 3rd world cocks that they never want for sex or validation of their attractiveness again, no matter how bone ugly the woman. Men could have done this prior to universal suffrage, but we didn't because we actually care about the future of our society.
Jacob Perry
Sweden is fucked and is a police state. Swedish socialism prior to liberalism and immigration ruining it was more like National Socialism than communism. They’re living on borrowed time that their grand parents created. Once the US Empire falls apart Sweden and many other European nations will return to normal.
Robert Torres
>US was socialist too in 2008 I'm beginning to think your definition of socialism is somewhat disconnected from... everyone else and reality.
Adrian Rogers
could you possibly have picked a bigger shithole to make an example of? sweden isn't even worth a shitskin's foreskinless dick sodomizing it's gaping ass
Elijah Fisher
America is, was and will never be a socialist nation because the workers don't own the means of production.
Blake Price
>thirsty 3rd world cocks See I don’t believe this meme. I went to Sweden and didn’t see this. It is more prevalent in the US. There were more coal burners in Oslo than Stockholm and the countryside of both nations is all white. The Swedes really segregate their shitskins.
Then why is their standard of living and happiness so high.
In the 1930s, after the stock crash, labor unions bough up stock in companies in order to give the workers control over their companies, thus socialism.
Christian Stewart
That has changed since the busting of unions and increased inequality since the Reagan era though.
Michael Foster
>happiest country on earth Says the police state media
Cooper Russell
> sexual revolution > people get arrested for fucking a prostitute Pick one faggot. > reduces wealth inequality > keep the population generally in the same income bracket And that's bad. Nature stated that people are not equal. So society has to reflect that. There always must be hierarchy because humans are nothing but developed monkeys. Weak must suffer and strong must prosper, so the weak won't breed and only the best genes will be passed. Fighting inequality means fighting natural order of things.
Gavin Wood
And why your flag still have a christian cross and it is not red yet?
Hunter Gonzalez
Cuckstianity is the first communism so nothing wrong here.
Brody Thompson
>t he official definition > links to a google search that presents multiple definitions > none of those definitions apply in the case under discussion
> What Obama did in 2008 fits that definition One or a small number of acts themselves to not make an entire economy or an entire society socialist. The US economy still had plenty of "means of production, distribution and exchange" that were not "owned or regulated by the community as a whole" (to reference the first definition that google search returned).
>One or a small number of acts themselves to not make an entire economy or an entire society socialist. The US economy still had plenty of "means of production, distribution and exchange" that were not "owned or regulated by the community as a whole" (to reference the first definition that google search returned). Doesn't matter, if the government owns at least one stock, and the government is controlled by the people (democracy), that's socialism
Xavier Taylor
>pick one faggot Prostitution is inherently anti-sex. By paying for it it turns it into a form of exploitation and oppression thus the opposite of what it's suppose to be about. I want people to be able to have sex with whoever they want with no social consequences whether it LGBT or straight or queer or what, but not pay for it.
>And that's bad. Nature stated that people are not equal. So society has to reflect that. There always must be hierarchy because humans are nothing but developed monkeys. Weak must suffer and strong must prosper, so the weak won't breed and only the best genes will be passed. Fighting inequality means fighting natural order of things. First off most inequality is only due to oppression such as racism or classism. The rich for example on average do better in school since they are given more opportunity.
Two even if humans have slightly different abilities, it does not justify the extreme wealth inequality in many places where the few own TONS AND TONS of wealth while others are struggling to get by.
Samuel Bennett
By definition
Connor Murphy
The US is a Federal republic, not a strict democracy.
Nicholas Gomez
Seriously? No. The community (either through the government or through some other mechanism) has to own/control the overwhelming majority to all of the means of production/distribution/exchange to qualify. That doesn't apply to Sweden, and it certainly doesn't apply to the USA.
If you want to have a personal definition of the word that says that, you're free to do so, but don't expect other people to understand and/or agree with you.
Jason Butler
>The community (either through the government or through some other mechanism) has to own/control the overwhelming majority to all of the means of production/distribution/exchange to qualify. That doesn't apply to Sweden, and it certainly doesn't apply to the USA. Objectively false. The government just has to control at least one piece of the means of production.
You can't just make up your own definition and say "yeah the government owns the means of production, but it doesn't own enough of my liking".
Christopher Powell
>The US is a Federal republic, not a strict democracy. They're different aspects. Federal is as opposed to unitary, and is the sovereignty structure Republic is as opposed to monarchy, and is the vesting of sovereignty Democracy (in the US's case, representative democracy) is how the governmental roles (executive & legislative in the US's case) are filled, as opposed to by appointment or hereditary etc. (there's also constitutionality - whether the sovereign is bound by laws, and whether those laws are formally written or unwritten, but we'll leave that aside for now)
So the US is a Federal Republican Representative Democracy. The UK, for example, is a Unitary Monarchical Representative Democracy.
Nolan Powell
> Objectively false I don't think you know what "objectively" means. Neither of us are objectively right or wrong, we're arguing over usage and definitions, which are inherently subjective.
That said, "socialism" is simply not a useful term if literally any ownership of anything by the state is enough to make it socialist. It's akin to far left progressives claiming anything other than their communist utopia is fascism - if that's how they want to use "fascism", then "fascism" isn't a terribly useful term any more. Socialism is one end of a spectrum, laissez-faire free market capitalism is the other end of that spectrum, and pretty much everyone plays in the middle.
Kevin Russell
White Socialism works. If Socialists can make America 95% white, socialists will hold office for the rest of human history.
Jaxson Watson
>3. Sexual revolution has liberated the working people from the needs of consumerism. In America sexual repression is what drove the desire to consume.
>Socialism is one end of a spectrum, laissez-faire free market capitalism is the other end of that spectrum, and pretty much everyone plays in the middle. Communism is the left end, socialism refers to the middle of the spectrum.
So you have no understanding at all of why Sweden is completely fucked and you apparently don't know Sweden is fucked.
Thomas Jackson
Communism used to be a synonym for socialism, but it's evolved more to mean either social economics plus social and political systems on top of that, or economic systems that are... significantly divorced from the current models. Syndicalism or actual local micro communes etc. Once again, generally in political science usage.
Daniel Morgan
Gah > evolved more to mean either socialIST economics plus social and political systems on top of that Typo, sorry
Michael Gutierrez
> Prostitution is inherently anti-sex > trading sex is anti-sex Don't u see how retarded u are? > exploitation and oppression I'm ok with that. But buying a prostitute isn't even an oppression because she has chosen that way of life. She could work in McDonald's for less money but she wanted to become a slut, nobody forced her. Hope we will legalize slavery once again so u sensitive sheltered fags will learn the difference between real oppression and prostitution. If u don't let someone to fulfill his desires by fucking a prostitute, these people will be > repressing their desire for sex so they had to get pleasure in other ways. According to your own words. > First off most inequality is only due to oppression such as racism or classism. And once again, there's nothing bad in racism and classism, it's in human nature. There's hierarchy in monkey tribes, why do u think humans are different? We still have instincts. One of them is to oppress those who are weak. This is how biology works. Destroying natural order of things won't benefit humans in any way. > Two even if humans have slightly different abilities, it does not justify the extreme wealth inequality No it does. You are to tied with imaginary christian moral restrictions, while in the Nature there is only one law - who is strong, takes all. Google Social-Darwinism.
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Leo Richardson
>Don't u see how retarded u are? That's like saying rape is pro-sex. No rape is anti-sex, it's the opposite
>I'm ok with that. But buying a prostitute isn't even an oppression because she has chosen that way of life. She could work in McDonald's for less money but she wanted to become a slut, nobody forced her. Hope we will legalize slavery once again so u sensitive sheltered fags will learn the difference between real oppression and prostitution. Prostitution is oppression, you are paying someone who has no better alternative to do humilating things for money, it is like paying an african to eat poop
>> repressing their desire for sex so they had to get pleasure in other ways. No, they could always hook up with a girl at a bar
>And once again, there's nothing bad in racism and classism, it's in human nature. There's hierarchy in monkey tribes, why do u think humans are different? Because we humans are above monkeys.
>No it does. You are to tied with imaginary christian moral restrictions, while in the Nature there is only one law - who is strong, takes all. Google Social-Darwinism. And we are the strong, we hold the popular vote, and silicon valley, and the media, the left holds the power right now and we decide where the wealth goes. We choose everybody via taxation and welfare.
> And we are the strong, we hold the popular vote, and silicon valley, and the media, the left holds the power right now and we decide where the wealth goes. We choose everybody via taxation and welfare. No you don't. Kikes do, but they are only "left" for whites to destroy us and benefit their own people by oppressing other nations. Their leftism is only a tool and always was. There always will be opression while humans exist. Pic related. I'm from ex-USSR country and I know this very good. > Because we humans are above monkeys Our instincts are the same. You can't change that. You can create fake values like moral and law, but at the end restricted animal is still an animal inside. > Prostitution is oppression, you are paying someone who has no better alternative to do humilating things for money, it is like paying an african to eat poop They do have an alternative u retard. Especially in Sweden where they will have enough money even if working in McDonald's. > they could always hook up with a girl at a bar Some people are to shy or simply have no time/desire for that. Or maybe they want to feel pleasure directly from an ability to buy sex. Or maybe they have desires that will probably only fulfilled for money, like some extreme fetishes.
Look up top CEOs and executives at Microsoft and Facebook and Google, there are some Jews but mostly gentiles.
William Allen
Nordic countries actually have freer economies than Murrica, we just have maximum social programs laid on top to make sure people stay content. I mean the welfare state was created by fucking Bismarck in 19th century Germany to prevent socialists from revolting or gaining popularity. The whole point is against socialism.
Yeah. Sure. Feminism and multiculturalism are awesome. I made the best country to live in, to the european capital of rape (99% of rapists being muslims, AKA non swedes) and Malmo became the world capital of grenades attack. And elsewhere, london is now more dangerous than somalia, paris suburbus are no go zones, etc. White genocide is so great. No way you will end dressed in a burka or raped. Thx feminism. Don't forget to kill yourself. Sage
don't forget my bass boat. how many people in Sweden own a boat just for fucking off on the weekends?
Matthew Harris
That's one example. All the other executives are goyim
At a certain point it becomes socialist. If all your labor and capital ends up going to the state to redistribute, it's like the state controls/owns it. Are you really an owner or controller of your production if the state takes it all?
Xavier Moore
OP used emotion logic. OP did not use economics principles as actually used in Sweden.
OP is yet another example of failure using sexual choices in determining what kind of economic system she demands that everyone live under.
Mason Garcia
You're totally not trolling.
Luis Collins
If Sweden is like Finland most families in fact do have summer cottages that they fuck off to on the weekends. And many of them have boats too.
Brayden Young
I actually did use economic principals as listed in Sweden.
Henry Robinson
>she You're giving OP too much credit. I'm pretty sure it's just bait/trolling That said, I had fun discussing the definition of socialism for the audience's sake
Adrian Thomas
one stock is not a controlling share retard
Henry Wood
>socialism works in a white ethnostate
you wont find anyone disagreeing with that though
Gavin Reed
Fake and gay, also kys
Jackson Kelly
Wealth inequality is not a problem, people are not equal. If they acquire wealth by lawful means they deserve it no matter how many people are hungry.
Michael Hughes
you get shareholder votes.
Lucas Kelly
everyone on Jow Forums does.
Jason Reyes
how? unless they are small rowboats. what do you have there that can tow a 22ft boat around? everyone own a commercial truck too?
Daniel Ramirez
kek. I'll never understand why white males continue to contribute to these societies when the Asia pill is such a better alternative. It's almost as if white men enjoy being bossed around by their women. >n-no we're still in control >as long as we don't upset a woman we can do whatever we want. Pathetic. Keep paying taxes so white chicks can get abortions, faglords.
Luis Gomez
no you don't, not with one share.
Jaxson Foster
> That's one example. All the other executives are goyim He is in charge actually. So the other executives don't matter, they aren't deciding the way where company goes. Microsoft isn't run by kikes and I haven't seen any real lefty policies implemented by it. Actual power is also in hand of those who print the money (fed). Try to find one federal reserve head except Powell who wasn't an open kike. Yes, there are some wealthy non-jews in top corporations, but they are either following the jewish trend for strategy reasons or aren't left leaning. For example Bill Gates is actually great dude, he is funding programs to stop niggers from breeding.
John Jackson
shouldn't you be gassed kike? like we did with all eu kikes. or you're a fucking indian hired by the eu to shitpost your country can't do anything but shit >socialist country >expecting shareholder votes lmao you'd be starved to death by uncle stalin nigger
Liam Perry
True, but the government has control over corporations anyways via the regulatory agencies.
Dylan Kelly
not a single white man actually likes disgusting chink niggers
Logan Evans
There aren't really any street hookers in America. Everything is online now
Angel Walker
7m boats fit on a boat trailer and piers are full of those everywhere. Never seen anyone haul those with trucks.
Liam Roberts
no most people wont disagree with a nationalist state being socialist but the retarded feminist and immigration policies sweden has
Kayden Campbell
>not a single white man actually likes disgusting chink niggers So you prefer being ruled by white women and their pet nogs? I mean it's easy for me, because I think Asian girls are cute as fuck, and I'm a handsome white guy so it's easy to fuck them... But I would imagine even if I didn't find them cute, being ruled by women is such a horrific life that I'd probably still choose this path.
Andrew Martinez
>This is called the Nordic Model. This is because we see the sex buyers and pimps as the bourgeois using their capital to oppress the women and exploit them into sex. No different than what Weinstein did. America is run by wealth, Sweden is run by Principal
Lol no its because you hate white men above everything else and want men to have as little power as possible, including sexual.
Aiden Brown
>Actual power is also in hand of those who print the money (fed). Try to find one federal reserve head except Powell who wasn't an open kike. Financial capitalism lost all it's power under Roosevelt. The FED has not controlled a thing since then.
Monopoly capitalism has shifted power to big corporations, and now tech.
Ian Stewart
The one inconvenient fact you'll conveniently forget to mention is that the only reason it worked is due to the fact they were a small, ethnic white Sweede population. Throwing a few million 3rd worlders into the mix makes it not work.
Carter Thomas
>Lol no its because you hate white men above everything else and want men to have as little power as possible, including sexual. Your country is no different, friendo. In most western countries, women are untouchable and have unchallenged control. I'm generally curious why you say.
Colton Wilson
No
The government doesn't own the means of production.
It's capitalist with some socialist-lite policies, such as health care and such.
Nolan Johnson
>>socialist country >>expecting shareholder votes
The government owns the shares, so yes it's socialist RETARD
How's that evil patriarchate working out Sweden? Oh wait what's that?
>More than twice as many young men in Sweden sell sex as do women, a study published Monday by the Swedish National Board for Youth Affairs
Grayson Sanchez
That's the problem! It's harder to enforce online!
Jaxson Gonzalez
>You're giving OP too much credit. Well, I was ignoring the obvious problems her choice of society will have. Sweden is still evolving and the natural resources fueling Sweden's economy will not last forever. Eventually, it will run down and all those people who are Net_Negative_Tax_Contributors will force the country into a deficit spending spiral.
OP talks about sexual freedom correctly, and it's certainly not different from many other places where people have sex the way they want. But the caucasian swedes don't have children anywhere the same rate as the muslim swedes, black swedes, and african swedes.
Sweden has already been reducing the social welfare benefit levels in some categories due to lack of funds. Resources don't just appear there for socialists to consume. Someone has to source the funds to be spent. It's not like socialist USA opinions where simple minds argue the economy gets no bad effect and no new money was printed. Reparations is simply the government clicking the mouse and adding $10,000,000 to each ADOS person's bank account. No money was printed and those people shoot me down with that argument all the time. They will not budge on their socialist logic.
