Imagine if you had Zoroastrian versions of Persians instead of Jews. The Parsi in India, for example, are very good minorities unlike Jews in your countries.
Why did you Europeans pick them over us?
>We picked jews over anyone
>We picked jews
When?
When you became Christian. You literally worship a Jew.
Do you consider Zen Buddhists as worshipers of an Indian?
t. too stupid to understand the multiple definitions of the english word "jew"
I like how Mohammad is censored in this lol
A jew is a jew.
There's a significant difference.
Bodhidharma, the founder of Zen, said enlightenment is found only within one's mind, not in any external teachers or so forth. One only uses certain teachings for the expedient purposes of pacifying one's mind and tacitly apprehending its true nature.
Jesus, on the other hand, explicitly states he is the only way, and European Christianity evolved from post St Augustine in order to become more about exalting the form and divinity of Jesus at the exclusion of all else. Jesus is found apart from one's mind in most Christian schools, so you are effectively worshiping the flesh of a Jew.
christKEKs BTFO eternally
You're demonstrating the fact that we worship Jesus, not that Jesus is worshiped as a Jew. Which was my point when bringing zen Buddhism, I could have mention any kind of Buddhism. If the jewish nature was the prime aspect worshiped in Christ, Jews would have be treated way better in medieval Europe.
retard confirmed
In most schools of Buddhism, you don't worship Buddha though. You use his example as a guide for one's own enlightenment. However, you guys literally worship a Jew. I mean, quite literally.
But you do, quite literally, worship a Jew! This Jew is considered the "son of God".
>In most schools of Buddhism, you don't worship Buddha though.
Sure, people build 40ft statues for someone they just consider a good guiding example. And again, this is not the point, the point is his ethnicity.
>However, you guys literally worship a Jew.
Saying this is like saying Christians worship a dude with long hair. The core tenant of Judaism is a people having an exclusive relationship with God. Jesus says that everyone can have this relationship, which is literally blasphemy for Jews, which is why they killed the guy (there's a reason the most antisemitic Christians were gnostics, who also believe in an exclusive relationship with God, but for the initiated, not Jews).
OTOH, rejecting Christ while being aware of his existence and teachings is also literally blasphemy for Christians, which is why Europeans put Jews through so much shits before giving up the Christian ideal.
Honestly, you guys reducing Christianity to kike worshiping are dense, a better attack angle would be criticizing the universal aspect of the Christian faith.
>Sure, people build 40ft statues for someone they just consider a good guiding example.
He was considered one of the first enlightened men to emulate. Note, you are EMULATING what he stands for, not worshiping him as a literal god incarnate.
>rejecting Christ
You think he is literal God Incarnate. No one else can reach the level of Jesus' divinity. The same is not true in regards to the Buddha. Plenty of others reached pairinirvana like Buddha.
Ultimately speaking, you do, indeed, worship the flesh of a Jew. The Catholic ritual of eating bread (the flesh of Christ) and drinking wine (his blood) symbolizes the idea of Jesus as God incarnate. Who knows, maybe you would have drank the water he used to wash his feet too?
Zoroastrians are the true Persians. Islamist Iranians are stupid monkeys.
I agree. I don't like any of the Abrahamic faiths.
Bumping high quality thread
Zoroastrianism represents true Persian ancient culture. Islam destroys Persian identity and makes Persian people slaves of Arabs.
Western countries made a huge mistake by not helping Mohammad Reza Pahlavi when he needed them most, during the Iranian Islamic Revolution.
How many times are you going to repeat the same thing?
The start of this discussion was you saying we chose Jews. "We did not" was my first answer.
To which you answered we worship a Jew (which is already something that is a whole different thing that saying we picked Jews).
And to everything I said then, trying to explain to you that the Jewish aspect of Jesus is either a detail or for some even a reason to dislike Jews, you just kept answering:
>you worship a Jew
Stressing the worshiping part but never explaining how worshiping Jesus is somehow choosing (let alone worshiping) Jews.
I fail to see the point of this discussion.
too bad they're almost all larpers
Pagans are the true europeans. Christian europeans are stupid monkeys.
You can't dispute this. Both Persians and euros fell to a semitic religion.
The Gathas are the unaltered words of Zarathustra and go back to 1000-1500 BCE. I've read multiple translations of it. I recommend Mary Boyce and Piloo Nanavutty's translation. It's the only part of the Zend-Avesta that goes back to Zarathustra.
Judaism stole ideas from Zoroastrianism and Christianity is just recycled Judaism. It's garbage all the way down.
It was inevitable. Abrahamic religions have two strong ideas: agressive prozealitism and afterlife cult. Their worshippers totally destroyed pagan places of faith, violently subverted non-believers into their religion or killed them, and fanatically believed in better life after death, what made them invulnerable to fear of being killed.
>How many times are you going to repeat the same thing?
And how much mental gymnastics are you going to use to avoid admitting to basic facts of reality?
>The start of this discussion was you saying we chose Jews.
You chose to worship him, a Jew, as God incarnate over many other options. It's what happened.
>Stressing the worshiping part but never explaining how worshiping Jesus is somehow choosing (let alone worshiping) Jews.
He spoke a Semitic language, used their myths, had a megalomaniac complex, and much more. I mean, I know I am somewhat repetitious, but I have to be in order to point to simple facts your mental gymnastics cannot dismiss.
Hindus and Buddhists are the last significant strongholds against abrahamic religions. I want Europe to come back to what it once was, Germany almost succeeded in returning to glory in ww2.
>Hindus and Buddhists are the last significant strongholds against abrahamic religions
and?
indians are a bunch of half abbos
you pagans are literally like the christians that accept blacks because they are black christians
you faggots accept literal watered down australoids(aka indians) because they follow le ebic hindu religion
Oh I'm the one doing mental gymnastic while you say that "worshiping Jesus is just worshiping a Jew" although Jews have never been treated better in Europe than since the leaders of this continent stopped worshiping Jesus.
I guess Saint Louis just did not understand Christianity then? Same thing for Isabella of Castille, right?
Until they're in their homeland, it's fine.
Indians are not aboriginal you brainlet. I'd suggest you actually study genetics. They are not related to abos whatsoever. They have dark skin, it's about their only similarity. So are Italians half Arabs now because they have a similar skin tone? Retard. Keep worshipping your dead kike on a stick you stupid meme flag cuck
indians are closer to onge abbos than to any caucasoids
italians cluster with europeans, apple and oranges comparison
imagine thinking literal half abbos non even caucasoids are our brothers because they speak a very very vaguely related language(le ebic indo evropean language)
indians are closer to onge abbos than to any caucasoids
somecunt up ITTs looking for a right good crack in the knackers?
Zen Buddhists don’t have a gods chosen people
here your abbo brothers
they speak indo evropean language and worship the hindu religion
>American boomers circle-jerking on Israel has anything to do with Christianity
t. Iranian expat LARPer
you pagans are just as pathetic as christians
the moment a literal shitskin that isn't even a caucasian let alone white worship your religion he suddenly becomes your brother
Do you people belive Hindus and Zoros never fought wars or something?
The historical treatment of Jews in Europe does not factor into what we're discussing. The point is, you worship a "special" Jew as God Incarnate.
Indigenous European paganism > Zoroastrianism > Atheism > Christianity
Where would you place Roman Mithraism in your ranking scheme?
>The historical treatment of Jews in Europe does not factor into how one should define Christianity's relationship with Judaism
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You're very clearly uneducated and borderline stupid. You don't know how to read a gentic map either. Indians are not "half abos". Indians cluster in between Asians and europeans, but have dravidian admixture. Dravidian is not "abo".
You can also see from your own sources that the vast majority of Indians cluster very closely to the caucasus and central asia. Regardless, the point is, I never said Indians were white. Indians are not white. I was pointing out that their religions were some of the last ones to survive the semitic religions. This has nothing to do with their whiteness. As you can see east Asians cluster as far away as possible from whites. Does this mean that their philosophies can't be discussed? I'd suggest reading a book cause you're clearly a half baked retard that is clearly upset over your kike religion being called out. Don't worry you'll be gassed soon enough jew
>Zoroastrianism > Christianity
what in retardation
When it comes to the actual metaphysics, it is not relevant.
Nowhere. Because it's irrelevant and we know barely anything about it.
>t. christcuck
Cult of Saturn is one all over. Worship of the black cube @ mecca in Islam, Quetzacoatl & bleeding hearts is Christianity.
>minorities.
White people number 700 million globally, Asians 4 billion, Africans 1.5 billion, Indians 1.5 billion - I assure you we're the minority.
>we know barely anything about it
Britannica has a good encyclopedic entry on it, which I've read. We know a decent amount about their general metaphysical worldview.
>Because it's irrelevant
No, it did have a lot of influence.
By those standards, Jesus being a jew is also not relevant. That is indeed the whole point of the new testament. Jesus didn't run around preaching he is the jewish son of God
>Indians are not "half abos". Indians cluster in between Asians and europeans
the maps clearily show that they cluster between europeans and abos
>but have dravidian admixture. Dravidian is not "abo".
it actually is, AASI people are closely related with abos
> very closely to the caucasus and central asia
these are not races, these are mixed people, the race the cluster closer are abbos
it's always funny to shutter the dreams of "indo evropean" bullshitters
so you consider that all the theologians and kings that denounced Jews in the medieval era did not grasp the actual metaphysics of Christianity then?
Listen, I get it, you want to portray every Christian as a synthetic jew, have fun, I have other things to do.
The point is, he had a Jewish upbringing and spoke a Semitic language. Therefore, even if you argue he is the son of God, you have to acknowledge he was a Jew.
>Jesus didn't run around preaching he is the jewish son of God
Well, in European Christianity, he is considered the only Way. Therefore, someone completely alien to Europe is the only way to heaven. He is also considered to be intrinsically more special than any European.
>you want to portray every Christian as a synthetic jew,
No. I'm saying you worship a Jew, who had nothing to do with Europe, and argue he is the only way. You also implicitly argue he is more "holy" than European alive today.
>than European
than any European*
half mongoloid uzbeks literally cluster closer to us than most indians
they not only are not white, they are not caucasoids at all
> I'd suggest reading a book cause you're clearly a half baked retard that is clearly upset over your kike religion being called out
not a christian, they disgust me for the same reason pagans disgust me, they accept non whites because they follow their religion
at least christians admixt those people are not white and don't try to delude themselves into thinking they have something in common genetically like pagans do with indinas
Mithraism is the Diogenes of religions. People just hear a quote or two of Diogenes and then go around saying they think he's their favorite philosopher in order to sound smart and knowledgeable about philosophy because they know about this weird mostly irrelevant philosopher. muh Mithraism is basically the same.
>Jesus didn't run around preaching he is the jewish son of God
>Jesus didn't run around preaching he is the jewish son of God
>t. christcuck
Wow, brilliant reply there Sven.
>But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”
That is taken out of context
Not really. We know a good deal about Mithraism, which was a secret warrior cult with hidden rites of initiation and more. Some brief examples are how Mithras sacrificed a bull, while in great grief, and its body parts become mixed in a bowl, thereby creating Time and a cyclical combat of good and evil, the formation of the firmament from his cape, and more. Also, at the end, Mithras takes a journey with Sol Invictus on his chariot to the ends of the Universe.
To me, Mithraism seems to be more about a warrior cult that acknowledged the role of sacrifice as important on a metaphysical level, especially in regards to creation of Time. It makes sense in the context of soldier who always have to sacrifice some good, like the bull, for a greater good.
I personally do not agree where it leads to, but I was just curious to see if you knew anything about it. I recommend reading the Britannica article if you wish to learn more.
Indians are quite literally part caucasoid. This is a literal scientific fact. arabs, indians, and Europeans are all caucasoid, they all share the same haplogroups. This does not mean they are all white. Caucasoid =/= white. No one is saying that indians and arabs belong in a white ethnostate. But it is a scientific fact that these people share some genetic and linguistic lines with europeans.
You're assuming that I'm saying that indians belong in a white ethnostate, that's not what I'm saying. They dont. All I said was that the religions that came from there resisted semitic influence. You're a fucking retard incapable of logical thought and reasoned discourse, your dumbass just jumps to conclusions. You are truly an 80 iq faggot.
>as important on a metaphysical level,
as important on a metaphysical and metaphorical level*
>using the coon map
you really don't know shit about genetics
that map is also wrong because coon himself said that indians are half abbos
>they all share the same haplogroups
indian mtDNA (mother side haplogroup) is mostly M(more than 65% of indians have it), M4, m2a and M2b are mostly found in india and are also the haplogorup of onge people
they are literally onge from the mother side lol
indians are not caucasoids for the most part
pic related is onge mtDNA, M4, M2a and M2b, mostly found in india
You don't have to have brilliant replies to discredit christcucks.
Yeah I know. They always are ;^)