Get told to fuck off by the Oriental Orthodox

wrong, the orthodox church isn't a protestant movement

Why are you catholic? Honest question, having doubts myself. I was baptized as one but my beliefs resonate much more with the theology of the orthodox church, which I find to be much more in tune with the church fathers

have you actually prayed the rosary you sperg?

>saints bad
>religious art bad
>w-why, because nun fucking degenerate said so

orthodox allow divorce, their church is basically collection of national cults, their leader is even more sjw than the pope, its a cancer religion

please, the split of the orthodox faith was merely a political move. It just keeps splitting the moment some slavic country no longer likes the other slavic country. They meme their autocephaly but everyone with a history book knows the differences in theology between catholics and orthodox are small things hyped up by the byzantine emperor who got his jimmies rustled when the Pople said he was shit.

I don't have anything against the orthodox except their denial that abandoning the catholic church only costed them losing all of their original patriarchies to muslims.

No. Why should I?

inb4:
>just do it
>accept what I am saying
>accept the authority and teachings of rome with zero justification

Because Mary told you to do it and that it would save you and help you save the world.
Pray the fucking rosary.

What ever you do, DO NOT search Richard Williamson on YouTube.

>no actualy justification for anything
>just do it
this is par for the fucking course with catholics so far. You people can never back anything up with anything but "because some person said to do it".
you see why that is fucking frustrating? especially when coming from a church as knee deep in degeneracy and pure evil as the catholic church?

So you can finally become a full member of their Satanic cult. The rosary was originally used by pagans in Babylon (remember what the Bible says about adopting pagan practices?), Catholicism is a pagan religion.

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and why were you told to fuck off....

Catholics are the biggest open borders cucks out there. Catholic organizations are behind most mass migrations

What?
Isn't Christianity based on doing shit because some person said to do it?
What's that passage on the bible when Jesus asks people to follow him after performing a fucking miracle and the good christians just go "why though?"
What kind of retard are you? Do you think asking "why" ad nauseam is going to help you look younger?

Yes, the Catholic church is the largest charity institution on the planet, also responsible for the greatest efforts to improve the life of people in their own fucking lands.

Happy people don't migrate. People with good lives don't migrate.

That's JESUS. Literally God as man. Everything else is absolutely, fundamentally different.
Damn. How is this hard?

Catholics are part of the anti christ, Changing up the bible and wearing their golden chains and crowns, remember the Jews and Romans killed Jesus together

>be catholic
>do crusades
>instead of helping byzantium; sack the capital and weaken byzantium to the point they don't recover
>pillage, rape and destroy villages in eastern europe
>still fail in crusades, made muslims stronger
>now the pope loves refugees and kisses their feet

fuck off cucktholic

Yes, and who wrote the bible? Was it Jesus? Why do you believe the men that wrote the bible when they say "we were totally inspired by God", but when Mary shows up, performs a fucking miracle of a dancing sun in front of thousands, tells you she was sent by her son, and to pray the rosary you ask "why"? Why is that?

Because Jesus sent the apostiles out to evangelize, not Mary.

Like clockwork.
As if the Orthodox hand't been losing land to the muslims for centuries then.
I'm sure the catholics are to blame for that too. God damned evil catholics and their fruitful tree.

Yeah, but who told you that and why do you believe them and not Mary?
Was if Jesus that wrote the bible? No. Some men told you Jesus told them to evangelize and you believe them. Mary tells you she was sent by her son and to pray the rosary and you ask "why".

The party responsible were already excommunicated before that even occurred. They were hiding papal orders and when the mercs didn't get paid looting was a given in that time period.

His end revelation was saying Christ fornicated before death and blaspheming Moses. Truly what a woke man restoring orthodoxy to the faith.

No, it was the apostiles, who everybody agrees were sent by Jesus. This is unaninmous. It is the same method the ancient church could tell the gospel of thomas wasn't legit, because it didn't fit with the unanimous story of Jesus.
You claim to trust the church fathers, but then you really dont.

>everybody agrees were sent by Jesus.
Yeah, but why? Is this an appeal to popularity? And I'm sure it's not everybody.

Oh, I trust the fathers, I'm just demonstrating to you how you sound when you ask "why". Perhaps if you explain me the idiocy of my endeavours I'll explain your idiocy back to you.

Why trust the fathers because "everybody" tells you to do it, but when it's just another group of "everyone" to tell you to believe in the miracle of Fátima you just "why".

>Yeah, but why?
Because. The. Gospels. Fit. With. One. Another.

I don't know how clearer I can make it for you. We know what is legit in the Bible, because the legit stories Gospels all tell of the same being. Thomas does not. There is no "trust" in men needed. It is the exact same principle with your story of mary making the sun bounce around.

Yes, the gospels fit with one another, and so do the reports of the miracle of fátima fit among thousands of people.

Of course when thousands of Catholics see something it's the devil, right? Or some mass delusion? Their narratives fitting with the other doesnt count when they do it.

Correct, it doesn't, because they are not Jesus' apostles.

No it's not schlemko. Us Makni have no use for your Schlem kind.

care to explain what the fuck you're talking about?

Catholic Charities, Catholic Immigration Network and countless others have facilitated in dumping the 3rd world upon the West.
>Happy people don't migrate
this is only partially true, happy shitskins breed, they breed until the land can no longer support them so oh no we have to let these poor people in.

no the Catholic Church removes the natural stressors of the shitskins, feeds them, gives them medical care and their populations explode, creating a humanitarian crisis.
which leads to this
>pic related

the Catholic Church used to be a defender of Western Civilization but now they are one of the greatest threats. far more insidious then the leftists because they hide behind good intentions.

any group or organization that supports any level of 3rd world migration into the West is an enemy of civilization

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You do realise some aprocriphal texts and gnostic texts also fit with each other?

Why do you believe the apostles were apostles because apostles said so? Because "everybody" who was not an apostle said it?

But when thousands of non apostles come around and say Mary told them this time to pray the rosary now these non apostles are bad and wrong.

Not the other non apostles who testimoned on the apostles. Their non-apostal nature is good and fine.

Sounds like a pretty cool thing to happen desu

>no the Catholic Church removes the natural stressors of the shitskins
Yes, Christianity is not a naturalist movement.
The world is a source of sin in fact.

never forget youtube.com/watch?v=TaJRuPAAiKg

Shut the fuck up jew.

Anything past vatican II isn't canon user.

which is why it is totally antagonistic with only problem that matters in this age. exactly why it's dying in the West

kek

that doesn't matter, Catholics may say they oppose Vatican 2 but they still support the Church. they do not demand or even force change. they complain and promote the cancer they are complaining about

Pilate scourged Jesus just to prevent killing him, he did not genuinely want to execute Christ. Then the Jewish mobs demanded it while threatening to riot. Rome didn't do anything wrong there except be forced to capitulate. As for the bible, the church passed down scripture and made the bible during the Synod of Hippo some 300 years after the death of Christ. Oral tradition is responsible for deciding what books were to be included.

Correct. Jesus gave these men the preoperative to go out and spread his Word. Scripture agrees on this.
But in typical Catholic fashion you are willing to toss out scripture to defend your "veneration" of Mary.
You are willing to ignore early Church practices too.

Also, your argument is faulty from a non-Christian perspective as well. There were plenty of unbiblical practices that sprung up all the time. You have no issue telling those "non apostles" to shut up. Your argument fails.

Oh really? I love this. Catholics tell others to just shut up and accept their dogma. But then feel like they get to pick and choose their own Dogma. Sorry, you don't get that luxury. You chose to be Catholic. Fall in line and support your church's teaching in its totality.

Based.

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The only problem with nature is that its changes are affecting man.

Naturalism for the sake of mankind is not the same as naturalism for the sake of naturalism.

Hi drewfu. I figured you lurked here.

>their leader
>more sjw than the pope
>leader
kek
sure thing Ante.

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this too. The core is they know the church is spreading bullshit, but they still want to feel catholic. So you get this hilarious scenery of catholics telling others to ignore catholic teachings.

They don't want to admit that protestants were correct that groups of men can be corrupted and should not be followed, and that the catholic church is not special in that regard. They simply cannot bear to admit that.

my name is james

That's why I left Christianity. It is self evident that to be a "Christian" (whatever that even means) one must blindly accept whatever horseshit the priest tells you.

if you ignore the internet screeching, I've found most of Christianity is able to stand on its own.

You mean the scripture that agrees on this and just disregard the apocriphal and gnostic scripture that agress with each other?

As far as I understood your motives to believe, Jesus gave them preoperative because they said he did, they where congruent, and non apostles agreed.

So you get your 3 requisites to not ask "why" and just accept it.

Gnostic writers told them god inspired them.
Gnostic texts are congruent.
Gnostics believed it.
You're now a gnostic.

Don't be a gnostic.

Yes, Faith is a requisite of Christianity, I thought we were clear about this from the beginning... I mean, why did you become a Christian in the first place? They didn't tell you about the faith part?

>be orthodox
>massacrates catholics
>nevertheless ask them for help because you are getting btfo by muslims
>don't pay them after help is sent
>complain your "empire" got sacked and humiliated by the people you not only massacrated, but also didn't pay for their trouble helping you
>now your capital belongs to the muslims

Catholicism was subverted early on by the Jews. (Jesuits). Now it's just a satanic, baby-raping cannibal cult, so yeah, exactly the same as the Jews.

Luke 1:28, Michael the archangel does it first in his annunciation.
And coming to her, he said, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.
Luke 1:42-45, Elizabeth does it next calling her "mother of our lord" in the visitation
42 cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. 43 And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord[a] should come to me? 44 For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed are you who believed[b] that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled.”
Revelation 12:1
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:...5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Mark 16:19
So then the Lord Jesus, after he spoke to them, was taken up into heaven and took his seat at the right hand of God.
Congrats prot, you played yourself. Pic related is from a church father.

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I'm completely and entirely opposed to 3rd world migration into the West. I am against any organizations that promote that. all philosophical or theological musings are subordinate to that.
that's pretty much it. they want to be Catholic but won't admit their Church promulgates the very cancer they claim to oppose. they're either self deluded hypocrites or out right liars.

When americans and jews mutilate and sexually abuse their children it's all good and dandy, but when a Catholic does it oh boy are Catholics satanists and up for a hollywood movie.

My grandma was super Catholic but because my mom wasn't practicing they wouldn't baptize me. My grandmother was devastated and lost all faith in their golden robes Jew shit after that

She still wanted me baptized so ofcourse Lutherans did their All Might voice I AM HERE

>just disregard the apocriphal and gnostic scripture that agress with each other?

It can agree with each other all it wants. So what?

wow lots of quotes predicting Mary would give birth to Jesus. Nothing about performing miracles or it being reuiqred for her to be an intermediary.

1 out of fucking 10 argument, No wonder you have a meme flag.

meant

Keep telling whatever horseshit to yourself then.
It doesn't take a genius to run the history of the Church to understand what's going on.
How only a brain damaged idiot would believe that the Church was discovered 1500 years later on the very text that the supposed wrong Church approved, followed and teached.
But protestants are retarded ok.
I can understand your difficulty over Catholicism and Orthodoxy but even there the solution is at your hand.
The filoque if what Father is the Son is the solution to the mistery is at hand.
Since the beginning the apostles, the now bishops, were schooling people, since the begging the old ones,the now priests, appointed by apostles, were schooling and consecrating the bread.
Instead do whatever you like it's your problem not Church's

Catholics aren't promoting migration. They aren't giving out flyers to people to migrate, telling them about the wonderful life they could have somewhere else.
They do promote bettering the lives of people in the places they live.

Nothing you said refutes my statement. Try harder faggot.

religion use to be about POWER. Turns out in Europe nobody wanted to listen to pudgy little italian men telling them how to live their lives. Same thing in middle east with the initial ethnic groups the arabs conquered. Gypsies and iranians don't want to adhere to interpenetration of Islam.

I will be baptized in the Holy flame.

What do you mea so what?
I explained if you greentexted my entire post you'd understand.

Here, let me copy and past it:

As far as I understood your motives to believe, Jesus gave them preoperative because they said he did, they where congruent, and non apostles agreed.

So you get your 3 requisites to not ask "why" and just accept it.

Gnostic writers told them god inspired them.
Gnostic texts are congruent.
Gnostics believed it.
You're now a gnostic.

Also
>Nothing about performing miracles
>virgin birth is not a miracle
wew lad

True, if your definition for "satanic, baby-raping cannibal cult" includes you and your people I agree. Nothing to argue here.

>What do you mea so what?
If books written by non-Apostiles agree with each other, so what? People have done that all throughout history.

Also
>virgin birth is not a miracle
You know exactly what I am talking about, Mr Bouncy Sun retard.

nice, you put up a pretty good argument against the catholics. What questions about the bible do you want answered?

By non apostles?

The people who wrote them said they were apostles.
They agree with each other.
And gnostic believed them.

Yes, I know what you're talking about, but do you understand what you're talking about?

You clearly have no idea what to believe. You'd be a gnostic if you were born among gnostics and here you are preaching 3 reasons to become gnostic.

The really loss there were the Greeks. Everybody else can fuck off for all Southern Europe cares.

No, it refers to Jews and Catholics. Me and my people don't worship Satan, don't rape kids and don't eat human flesh. Again, try harder faggot.

Nope, I'm pretty sure sexually abuse and genital mutilation is common among your people.
In fact it never makes it into the news or hollywood movies so common it is. Neither does the sex abuse and genital abuse performed by Jews make it into hollywood and the news either... hmm, I'm starting to think the problem you and Jews have is not really the sexual abuse, but just Catholics. I get it, we did fuck the Jews pretty bad, but that's only because they killed our lord

Revelation 5:8
Thus the saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.
Revelation 8:3-4
[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God”
Origen
“But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels . . . as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep” (Prayer 11 [A.D. 233]).
1 Timothy 2:1-4
1I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Genesis 12:13 kjv
Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
Asking other people to pray for you, including the Saints who have eternal life has always been a thing. While not required it's permissible or else you may as well stop asking Johnny down the street to never pray for you due to "idolatry".
>tfw you venerate a German heretic and blasphemer for "restoring the true faith"
pic related
The absolute state of prots

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still waiting on a cherrypicked verse that says to pray to mary instead of Jesus
Internet Catholics are fucking ridiculous. They cant stand that people don't fall for their church's bullshit so they twist themselves into ever more insane knots.

>women should be fruitful and multiply (with their husbands)
>yet Mary was an eternal virgin, leaving Joseph with no children (from her) and blue balls for all his remaining years

Explain yourself.

We're still waiting for proof that Catholics pray to anyone but God.

Internet protties are fucking ridiculous. They are so fucking smart but when the words veneration and worship are brought by Catholics they throw all their neurons out the window.

there is no scripture like that. What they talk about is idolatry.

What is the origin of the myth?

“Veneration of the mother of God received its impetus when . . . the pagan masses streamed into the church. . . . Their piety and religious consciousness [that of pagans converted to Christianity] had been formed for millennia through the cult of the ‘great mother’ goddess and the ‘divine virgin.’”—The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1988), Volume 16, pages 326 and 327.
What does the Bible say?

“You are to conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High. . . . And so the child will be holy and will be called Son of God.”—Italics ours; Luke 1:31-35, The New Jerusalem Bible.

That passage of Scripture clearly states that Mary was the mother of the “Son of God,” not of God himself. Could she have carried within her the One whom ‘the heavens themselves cannot contain’? (1 Kings 8:27) She never made such a claim. It is the teaching about the Trinity that has sown confusion over the identity of Mary. By proclaiming her Theotokos (a Greek word meaning “God-bearer”), or “Mother of God,” the Council of Ephesus, in 431 C.E., set the stage for Mary worship. The city of Ephesus where this church council was held had for centuries been at the heart of idol worship celebrating the fertility goddess Artemis.

So it was that many aspects of the worship of the image of Artemis that “fell from heaven,” such as processions, were integrated into Mary worship. (Acts 19:35) Another practice that crept into Christian teaching was the use of images of Mary and others in worship.

Compare these Bible verses: Matthew 13:53-56; Mark 3:31-35; Luke 11:27, 28

She was more fruitful than any other woman, what are you talking about.

All religions are useless superstition.

Orthodox.

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I can argue with the superstitious part, but all civilizations were religious. And there isn't a single atheist civiliation. Religion seems very useful.

This. I have been Catholic all my life until Pope Francis said Hell doesn't exist. That was the last straw. Now, I am Orthodox.

When you have other people pray for you regardless of who it is it's a request. Everyone in unison prays to Christ and ultimately all prayers are answered by his power. We favor her compared to the other saints for her unrivaled purity which affects the power of prayers.
I could literally pull scriptures up all day and you would deny it. Ironically you actually believe in the authority of Rome rent free because you accept the overwhelming majority of scripture in the bible the church councils decided upon.
Luke 12:42-45
42 cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. 43 And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord[a] should come to me? 44 For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed are you who believed[b] that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled.”
Elizabeth said it herself in the Gospel of Luke, was she an idolater too?
In truth she was given respect, and you fail to realize that Acts was written long before the council where veneration of Mary was long underway in the early church.

The entire council rejected the oriental church. If the Bishops of each church were equals, then how could the Patriarch of Constantinople excommunicate the Bishop of Rome? If the tradition cannot maintain sacred revelation, then how can any of the Bible or the Old testament be accepted? If it's always the fault of the Catholic church, then why do the evils of each day stem from the thinking of each who broke away? Mode

damn

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>then why do the evils of each day stem from the thinking of each who broke away?

lmao imagine believing this.

I wish to ask you once more, do you have any questions about christianity? I would like to answer them.

Alright, this is bouncing off your last post. What is your take on Jesus' divinity? And why?